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Is this royal Lao government (in exile) a valid one?

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Yangsao

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May 18, 2003, 11:31:40 PM5/18/03
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Hello all:

What kind of government is this? Copying the LPDR governement
structure and filling the ministries with names that only reflect the
old thinking and mentality of the past?

Try to see this government by yourself and make your own judgment.

http://www.laopatriots.com/rlgie.htm


Royal Lao Government in Exile

· Based on the U.S. Congress Resolutions 240, 169,
309 and 318 on Laos political problems in 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2002.

· Based on the European Parliamentary resolution on
Laos in
February 15, 2002.

· Based on the Geneva Accords of 1954 and 1962 on
Laos according to the real condition of the current time.

And for solving the Lao problems peacefully and politically, we,
the Patriotic Nationalist People of Laos, would like to proclaim
to the world that the Royal Lao Government is revived to take full
responsibility on the affairs of Laos under leaderships of the people
in charge of this Royal Lao Government in Exile (Interim) are as
follows:

The Supreme Political Council

1) Princess Khamla Xayavong Savang

2) Phraya Sithidej (Sithat
Sithibourn)

3) General Police, Khamphay
Thepsouvanh

4) Dr. William Bouaroy

The Royal Lao Government in Exile

1) Prime Minister and President of Ministerial
Council and Chairman

of National Security Council- Khamphoui Sisavasdy
(Interim)

2) Ministry of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister, Chao
Sisa-nga Nachampasak

3) Ministry of Defense and Deputy Prime Minister,
Khampheuy Mounivong

4) Ministry of Interior Affairs and Deputy Prime
Minister, General Police Khamphong Louang-Aphay

5) Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Nick J. Hanthaley

6) Ministry of Public Relations and Propaganda,
Bounheuang Manivong

7) Ministry of Education and Culture, Dr. Khamdeng
Douangmany

8) Ministry of Social, Welfare, and Labor, Chanpheng
Khongsedone

9) Ministry of Public Health, Xom Voransane

10) Ministry of Justice, Mr. Nu-Eng Rattanavong

11) Ministry of Veterans, Cham Phannoudej

12) Ministry of Sports and Youth, Bounheng Bouapha

13) Ministry of Science and Technology, Keomixay Somvang

14) Ministry of Economics an Tourism, Xa Soundara

15) Ministry of Religion, Phoxay Phuouangmalay

16) Ministry of Commerce and Cooperative, Chao Sakda
Nachampasak

17) Ministry of National Ethnic Unity and Solidarity:
Somchit Sivongsay, Thongsoun Phouthama and Yang Fater

18) Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs on Asian and Pacific,
Phiane Sayarad

19) Ministry of Communications, Posts, Transportations
& Constructions: Doungsouri Thepbandan

20) Ministry of Agriculture & Forestry, KounFa Oudomvilaychit

21) Deputy Minister on Asian Pacific Foreign Affair, Mr.
Phiane Sayarad

22) Ministry of Energy, Khongkham Vorachit

Ministers of the Prime Minister's Offices

USA office: Mr. Nou Khousakoul

Mr. Yoth Sengkeomixay

Mr. Nophadonh Thongsa

Mr. Somdee Rasi

Mr. Khinthavone Bounphakhom

European Office (Paris):

Mr. Cham Phannoudej

Mr. Bouake Phengphrachanh

Mr. Khampheo Lathamany

o The governement's office General Secretary:

Jacqueline Khamsavanh Busyakum

********************************

The Lao National Security Council

1) Mr. Khamphoui Sisavasdy, President

2) General Khamphong Louang-Aphay, Vice President

3) Phian Sayarad, Vice President Secretary

4) Xa Soundara

5) Yoth Sengkeomixay

6) Sith Saiya

7) Sila Sophannavong

8) Bounkong Ouanphongchareune

****************************

Central Office: Nakone Xayseri, Louangphrabang Province, Laos

May 6th 2003

And

Temporary Liaison Office (USA Central Office)

PO Box 526, Clackamas, OR 97015

Ph (503) 481-2676, (503) 810-1908, (503) 810-3590, Fx (503) 698-7861

Email: Fre...@hotmail.com

Temporary Liaison Office (Europe) Paris (France)

Ph (1) 49627398 Fx (1) 45764030

Fisherman

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May 19, 2003, 12:40:24 AM5/19/03
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Hmm, interesting. How come I don't see former four star general Pete
Chitakone's name among the ministers? What a shame.

Fisherman

Xay Siengsavanh

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May 19, 2003, 7:35:21 PM5/19/03
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Ai Yangsao & Fisherman:

I tried to understand what these self-proclaim "Royal Lao Geovernment
(in exile)" trying to voice and I also read about halfway through
their propaganda and I think I had enough. What they're preaching,
better yet, complaining, are exact the same as it were in 1975.
There's nothing new to this whining. It makes my generation lose
interest and lose faith of their sincerity. If they're really serious
about having any part in governing Laos, they must accept the fact
that LPDR today is "not" the same in 1975. There're some good and bad
things about current Laos government, but is there a perfect
government? I'm no politician, but in my personal opinion, to be
active improving Laos is to work from within, work with what's
available to us.

One point I also like to make in their agenda. They're promoting
"democracy", but yet, they already picked their government bodies and
officials without any vote from Lao people. Isn't that sound funny to
anyone? Wake up!

Vungdee Smer

Xay Siengsavanh

casalao

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May 19, 2003, 8:03:36 PM5/19/03
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why dont we all send them email messages and make our voices heard loud and
clear? here's the email: fre...@hotmail.com

casalao


Vick

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May 20, 2003, 12:46:26 AM5/20/03
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You must be kidding! I sent them $999.00 for an adviser position. They
cashed my check and didn't even return my phone call. Now, I'm very
unhappy because my name is not even on the list...

What should I do? Any advise :-)

V

LAOPATRIOT

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May 20, 2003, 4:01:23 AM5/20/03
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SabaiDee

Those are sick as same as AGol Bounthan.They're daydreaming. What
they're trying to do is to wake up the long lost skeletons in the
coffins to walk on the street, which is nonsense and impossible.

Rideculous!!

SokDee

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Daboth Kavee

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May 20, 2003, 5:25:28 AM5/20/03
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Hi Vick,

You can kissed your money good bye. This type of government in exile
things should've been done oh!! about 25+ years ago? Then may be the
international communities would recognize them, and I am willing to
bet a case of Laos Beer that about 90% or more of the members are not
even Laos Citizen. I am not for the current government but at the
same time, I believe that you should at least be a citizen to hold a
governmental position in a country. I wonder how many of them are
willing to give up their US, French, Australian or whatever
citizenship they are now holding and become Laotian again. If they
can do that then I am willing to listen and give them the benefit of
the doubt. As far as the validity of this gov. in exile, like a
couple of people have mentioned already, they claim to represent
democracy but yet so far I have not heard of a single person who has
cast a ballot to vote for them!

Well, to all SCL'ers, I've been away on a business/pleasure trip for a
while and I am back. Glad to see that we are still busy pounding away
on the old keyboard.

Hasta Luego,
D.K.

bucba

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May 20, 2003, 9:14:44 AM5/20/03
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vis...@hotmail.com (Vick) wrote in message news:<35bc02ff.03051...@posting.google.com>...

Sabaidee, vick.
I think you should take them to court so that you can get some of your
money back. Sokdee. Bucba007

Vick

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May 20, 2003, 10:00:04 AM5/20/03
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Oh no! Daboth, you gave me a very bad news. That money supposed to pay
for my on going psychiatric therapy. But thank you for the info.

Can I go to small claim court to get my money back perhaps? Any lawyer
around here?

V

pizone

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May 20, 2003, 10:53:02 AM5/20/03
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sabaidi visoun,

post your proof of what you just said here, the proof of your $999.00
check, if you aren't kidding too.

btw, to me, this group of people is another one group of lao people
who can't stand the garbage commu regime in laos any more.

pizone

legends1228

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May 20, 2003, 11:05:08 AM5/20/03
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Look at the webpage. How can anyone begin to take them seriously. If
anyone look at this webpage and begin to sent money then you are a
naive fool.


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pizone

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May 20, 2003, 11:07:59 AM5/20/03
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sabaidi xay,

If this whole thing is not a production of the commu party, then these
people are just one group of lao people who have the gut to show
themselves to the public that they want the garbage commu regime out
of laos, but they chose the wrong name for their group. it has nothing
to do with the lao royal movement.

why the name of this group has to be 'royal lao government' is a big
question to me??? because i know quite a lots of names in the list.

hakpheng
pizone

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Sri Sattanakarahut

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May 20, 2003, 11:18:28 AM5/20/03
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Vick wrote:

You were looking for an advise position in their government? And now you
need an advise? No wonder they ran away with your check, pal!! :-)

Sri


Lao Tae Tae

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May 20, 2003, 12:51:33 PM5/20/03
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The only high-profile Lao that the international communities still
recognize is HRH Crown Prince Soulivong Savang. He is not tainted by
the reputation of the old corrupt Patikarn Kao. He is the darling of
the West and a representative of the new Lao generation.

Lao Tae Tae

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Xay Siengsavanh

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May 20, 2003, 1:25:13 PM5/20/03
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PIZONE:

Sabidee Ai Pizone. I hope that you're not approved of these people's
claim, or are you? I know that they meant well for our motherland,
this is certainly not the way of "democracy". Even if Laos becomes a
democratic nation, I'd doubted that the old regime official will be
re-ellected.

What's your take on this?

Nup Tuer Smer

Xay Siengsavanh

Paxasonlao

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May 20, 2003, 4:02:14 PM5/20/03
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Sabaidee Mr. Pizon and all.

I think Mr. Pizon is right that this group of garbage people can't
stand the garbage commu regime in Laos any more so they start copying
by electing themself
, their friends and family to the high cabinet . I won't be surprise
if Mr. Pisone is on their list now or later .

Hakpheng.

Paxasonlao4life.


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Vick

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May 20, 2003, 4:11:47 PM5/20/03
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sabaidi pizone:

Hmm! very interesting challenges here!

I am debatting whether I should try them in SCL court or in a court of
law?

In SCL court, there appears to have no structure and no qualified
personnel to conduct a fair trial. No good option. Got to drop this
one.

As far as the court of law, after consulting with my attorney, he
suggested the followings:

1. It is illegal for an US citizen to actively participate in
undermining or overthrowing a foreign government officially recognized
by the United States

2. I should not expose myself in any manner that can prove my past
involvement with this type of activities

3. Therefore, kiss my money good bye because it can further me in more
trouble

4. Instead of beign angry, taking prozac could be a viable temporary
solution.

Obviously, there are many options. None of them is favorable...:-(


V

Brad Velander

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May 20, 2003, 11:29:32 PM5/20/03
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Hi Vick,
did you actually receive that information from a lawyer? If so,
possibly you could stress the involvement in activities to overthrow a
recognized government. A discussion of a similar nature struck up about
10 months ago and many of the Lao nork here laughed at it. As if they
were immune from persecution if the LPDR made a big enough stink to
start a US investigation into financial support for movements to
overthrow the LPDR. Possibly you could succeed in making this a serious
discussion where it was laughed at before.
I think that a lot of the Lao nork who support these anti-LPDR
groups are ignorant of their culpability under US laws outlawing the
organization and funding the overthrow of recognized governments. Since
9/11 it can be very hard to hide such monetary activities, it is just a
matter of time before someone strikes up some interest. Maybe another
border post attack or a few more bus attacks.

--
Brad Velander

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Fisherman

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May 21, 2003, 12:46:23 AM5/21/03
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Mr. Vick,

My sources have confirmed that you have sent them $999.99, not $999.00
as you claim. In any event, it's still less than one thousand therefore
it is an insignificant amount by American marketing convention. Forget
about it.

Fisherman

hamn...@yahoo.com

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May 21, 2003, 4:28:54 AM5/21/03
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Aj yaaa!
Can any one help me asking this Royal Government to reserve a position
for me?
I would like this:
H.E. Hamnoi THAMMADA,Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to
the North Pole.Sounds cool hah?
Xok Dee,
Hamnoi

Vick

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May 21, 2003, 2:24:05 PM5/21/03
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Hi Brad:

> did you actually receive that information from a lawyer? If so,
> possibly you could stress the involvement in activities to overthrow a
> recognized government.

There are additonal data validating this point. Here is part of
Ambassdor Hatwick's speech at one of the Lao symposium vis-a-vis this
issue about Laos:

"...The United States is absolutely firm in opposing any effort to
violently
or through non-constitutional measures change this government. While
we welcome peaceful and legal change that would bring about
democratization and full
respect for human rights, to seek its violent overthrow is against our
law...."

V

laophouan

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May 21, 2003, 3:37:24 PM5/21/03
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sbou...@amfam.com (Xay Siengsavanh) wrote in message news:<52b5f13b.03052...@posting.google.com>...
-----------------------------------------------------
Sabaidee Xay
You have to ignore the King's spilling water bald head Pizone
he's very confused, believe me those exile old Lao government
they are so far behind and broke, how they can run the country,
with no money less education? borrow world bank? who will
give to them when they have bad bad credit in the past?
by the way if you want to know how real Lao music arrangement
before 75, looking for "Saype Pathoummahong's CD"

Laophuan!

Sri Sattanakarahut

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May 21, 2003, 4:25:33 PM5/21/03
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Vick wrote:

I wonder if the law applies to the CIA, FBI or US government? Do we know
how many governments around the world that have been covertly and/or
violently [directly or indirectly] overthrown by the US? I think the
numbers are in the hundreds...here is a short list of the US
non-constitutional interference with other nations:

1953: Iran - CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in
a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA
replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK,
is as brutal as the Gestapo.

1954: Guatemala - CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in
a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned
United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen
Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing
dictators whose blood thirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in
the next 40 years.

1954-1958: North Vietnam - CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years
trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the
usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet
regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win
the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is
opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The
CIA's continuing failure results in escalating American intervention and
finally the Vietnam War.

1957-1973: Laos - The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying
to nullify Laos' democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a
leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition
government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Army Clandestine" of
Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. In the end more bombs were
dropped on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II.

1959: Haiti - The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of
Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who
terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during
the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human
rights record.

1961: The Bay of Pigs - The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro's
Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and
backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion
would spark a popular uprising against Castro which never happens. A
promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA's first
public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director
Allen Dulles.

1961: Dominican Republic - The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous
dictator Washington has supported since 1930.

1962: Ecuador - The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected
President Jose Velasco to resign and replaces him with its own man Vice
President Carlos Arosemana.

1963: Congo (Zaire) - The CIA assassinates the democratically elected
Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba's politics runs so high
that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of
political turmoil follow.

1963: Dominican Republic - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected
Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right wing
junta.

1964 Iraq - Coup aided by CIA overthrows the popularly supported Abd
al-Kassem Quassim who had overthrown the British-installed king of Iraq in
1958. The Baathist party is briefly placed in power. Young officer Hussein
plays supporting role in coup, in 1959 is one of a group of assassins who
wounds Quassim in a power-struggle--Saddam is subsequently placed in
authority to operate the state's torture
center.

1964: Brazil - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically
elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the
next two decades, become one of the most blood thirsty in history. General
Castelo Branco will create Latin America's first death squads, or bands of
secret police that hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and
murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco's political
opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

1965: Indonesia - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with
a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957,
using everything from attempted assassination to
sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold
War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1
million civilians accused of being "communist." The CIA
supplies the names of countless suspects.

Dominican Republic - A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall
Juan Bosch as the country's elected leader. The revolution is crushed when
U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by
force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.

Greece - With the CIA's backing, the king removes George Papandreous as
prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests
in Greece.

Congo (Zaire) - A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as
dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor
country for billions.

1966: The Ramparts Affair - The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of
unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the
University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire
"professors" to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods.
MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also
reveal that the National Students' Association is a CIA
front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery,
including draft deferments.

1967: Greece - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days
before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the
liberal candidate. During the next six years, the
"reign of the colonels" - backed by the CIA - will usher in the widespread
use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek
ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cypress,
Johnson tells him: "Fuck your parliament and your constitution."

Operation PHOENIX - The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then
murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages.
According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000
"Viet Cong."

Bolivia - A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che
Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian
government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.

1970: Cambodia - The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular
among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by
CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle.
This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer
Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own
people.

1971: Bolivia - After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a
CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In
the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over
2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and
executed.

1973: Chile - The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin
America's first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin
when Allende nationalizes American owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA
$1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with
General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own
countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.

1975: Australia - The CIA helps topple the democratically elected,
left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this
by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime
CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam
government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed
by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this
archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

Angola - Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in
Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to
Kissinger's assertions, Angola is a country of
little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The
CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes
Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of
Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976,
but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is
legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.

1979: Iran - The CIA fails to predict the fall of the Shah of Iran, a
longtime CIA puppet, and the rise of Muslim fundamentalists who are furious
at the CIA's backing of SAVAK, the Shah's bloodthirsty secret
police. In revenge, the Muslims take 52 Americans hostage in the U.S.
embassy in Tehran. National Security adviser Brzezinski publicly encourages
Iraq to attack Iran to take back the Shatt-al-Arab waterway - which the U.S
had forced Iraq to cede to Iran four years earlier.

Afghanistan - With CIA support, Afghan fighters conduct guerrilla operations
in the Soviet Union territories; In return, Soviets invade Afghanistan. The
CIA immediately begins supplying arms and training to any faction willing to
fight the Soviets, also engineering an extreme militant ideology exploiting
Fundamentalist Islamic discipline. Such indiscriminate arming and
specialized training and organization means that when the Soviets leave
Afghanistan, civil war will erupt as tribal leaders attempt to fill the
power vacuum. Also, fanatical Muslim extremists now possess state-of-the-art
weaponry and an
extremist agenda. One of these is Sheik Abdel Rahman, who will become
involved in the World Trade Center bombing in New York.

1980: El Salvador - The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads
with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military
government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses.
Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D'Aubuisson has Romero shot
through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil
war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the
military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government
with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death
squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in
1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By
1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.

1981: Iran/Contra Begins - The CIA begins selling arms to Iran at high
prices, using the profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista
government in Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas
will be "pressured" until "they say 'uncle.'" The CIA's Freedom Fighter's
Manual disbursed to the Contras includes instruction on economic sabotage,
propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, interrogation, torture, murder
and political assassination. "Carter Doctrine" states U.S. will intervene
militarily to protect U.S. access to oil. Iraq invades Iran at U.S. urging
through CIA channels..

1986: Eugene Hasenfus - Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane
carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene
Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The
airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes
a mockery of President Reagan's claims that the CIA is not illegally arming
the Contras.

1989: Panama - The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own
making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA's payroll since
1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA's knowledge since 1972.
By the late 80s, Noriega's growing independence and intransigence have
angered Washington. So out he goes...

1990: Haiti - Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist
priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only
eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him. More
military dictators brutalize the country, as thousands of Haitian refugees
escape the turmoil in barely seaworthy boats. As popular opinion calls for
Aristide's return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the
courageous priest as mentally unstable.

1993: Haiti - US invades and removes the Haitian military dictator, Raoul
Cedras.

2003: US invades Iraq and ousts Saddam Hussien.

Her Lao

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May 21, 2003, 6:02:12 PM5/21/03
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It's normally referred to in pop colloquialism "a sword that cuts both
ways":

Hartwick and his boss, our American government --- (PLEASE NOTE: The
Bush adm. is REPRESENTLY REPRESENTING the government only; it can
extends itself in different directions and its reaching tentacles
depend on how skillful the senior policy makers are, but this admin.
or any other do NOT take the place of THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, passing
laws to insulate itself, to make itself impervious from poking into
or being questioned) --- said they didn't condone any violent and
non-constitutional means to change the present regime of LAOS.

THAT MEANT they WANTED a change of regime VIA non-violent means and
through peaceful constitutional reforms. Neither did they NOR the
Laotians, in LAOS, said the LPDR/LPRP was IT and it shall be forever,
a one-party, self-venerating regime, if it continues its track of being
this benevolent and democratic,,,

OF COURSE, that WOULD ENTAIL that there were/ARE NON-VIOLENT means to
change. And CHANGE was/is the underlined word hrere. Again, NEITHER
the American government NOR Laotians think the LPDR is democratized
enough as a political government (it claims to be 3 things simulta
neously: a government, a political party, and the country of Laos
itself!); NOR is educationally and economically knowledgeable/prepared
enough to rule.

BUT even if it were, it had no business to stay as a single, one-party
regime, because that's anti-thetical to democracy, Lao or American,,,

Again, it never ceases to surprise, amaze, and confound me how, even
when an enriched environment is made available for people to nurture
their faculties, they still persist in being slow ,,,

Her lao

> Hi Brad:


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Lao Tae Tae

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May 21, 2003, 6:25:27 PM5/21/03
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hamnoi, my friend

I also want an embassador position under the Patikarn Government.
Leave out "Royal" because HRH Crown Prince Soulivong Savang has
nothing to do with this "exile government" if it really exists. My
title? H.E. Mr. Laotaetae, Ambassador Extraordinary and
Plenipotentiary to the South Pole. Sounds kool, eh?

Lao Tae Tae

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pizone

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May 21, 2003, 6:37:17 PM5/21/03
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sabaidi all,

wow! this is the first time i hear this paxasonlao (commu ass's
licker) accepts that his commu regime is really the garbage regime.

this is only one group of people pop up against the garbage commu
regime, and this paxasonlao gets hyper already, i wonder if there are
more groups pop up to fight against his commun regime, like in most
former commu countries, then this paxasonlao might get heart attack
right away...

commu go to hell.

pizone


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pizone

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May 21, 2003, 7:03:12 PM5/21/03
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sabaidi visoun,

i don't think you really really gave any penny to this group.

wanting a position by buying it, is bad,
spent $999 hoping to get a position, is worse.
didn't give a dime to a group and lie, is shameful.

hakpheng
pizone

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Vick

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May 21, 2003, 10:16:51 PM5/21/03
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Her Lao,

Of course, the not so implicit message of the ambassador was about
change, but it also stressed the potential legal consequences one ( as
an US citizen or US legal resident) may face if one choose to ignore
them by conducting stated illegal activities no matter how just cause
may one believes in, because of the existing law in the book.

This appears to be the issue raised by Brad.

V

sulilec

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May 22, 2003, 10:25:03 PM5/22/03
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Legends1228:
I won't cast a doubt that this organisation is NOT a valid organisation. In
fact, it is valid and protect by first admendment. However, I still am
vaque about the orgnisation's motive.

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TaiBarnok

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May 26, 2003, 5:20:12 AM5/26/03
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Wow...wow.... Could I apply for Taseng barn Wat Chang, Vientiane Province? And
how much???
Hakpaeng lailai.
Taibarnok
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