What the hell is IGN DVD thinking? Unprofessional Review *BLASTS* Love Hina...
Pipian
through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all intelligently
(hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a modicum of dignity. What
the hell is IGN DVD doing, reviewing Love Hina for anyway? Shouldn't that
be left to the anime faction under IGN Sci-Fi anyway?
It is clear that this "David Smith" review, if not just an utter creation
just to work Love Hina fans up, is entirely unprofessional, coming from a
person who has never previously ENJOYED anime, and is thus not in a position
to rate it properly. Not only does he blast Love Hina fans as *SEXUAL
DEVIANTS*, but he also rips such popular series as Ah! My Goddess and
Evangelion as well. And when I say he rips Ah! My Goddess, he REALLY rips
Ah! My Goddess...
The so-called review is located at:
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/317653p1.html
And the following are some of the more inflamatory quotes:
"Love Hina is a mediocre, predictable, unoriginal effort to appeal to the
sizable majority of the anime-buying market that will never, ever, ever get
a date."
"The principal problem with Love Hina, then, is not that it attempts to win
its followers through their pituitary glands. It's that it does absolutely
nothing but."
"Love Hina is nothing if not a dutiful adherent to convention, which is why
we're barely halfway through the first episode before ticking off the
upskirt shots, the panty theft, the inadvertent entry into the women's bath,
the involuntary breast-squeezing, a fistful of T&A closeups, and goodness
knows how many of Japan's other fan-service favorites."
"The final step in the process, of course, is where every member of said
audience wanks off over visions of Kitsune's breasts dancing in their heads
every night and buys enough Love Hina merchandise to entomb some kind of
fanboy Pharoah."
"It could, of course, be worse. Love Hina is in many ways not half as
disturbing as something like Oh! My Goddess, and its fans less bothersome
than the Belldandy obsessives who are so obviously in the grip of a dire
lust for their mothers (or the Skuld-following minority that presumably
wanted to bang their kid sisters when they were young)." (Now what's so
curious about this... Leaving out URD? Come on, you CAN'T have forgotten
Urd...)
"Kitsune is a pair of breasts with nothing substantial attached. Shinobu
starts out somewhat engaging in her spotlight episode, but fades quickly
(and Ghod, why did they think Keitaro groping her would be funny?). Su is a
nonsensical screwball gag vehicle, all too uncomfortably reminiscent of her
cousin from Battle Athletes. Naru is Belldandy Lite -- a girl-next-door
fantasy rather than a screwable maternal figure, so thank goodness for small
favors -- and Keitaro, if I may hammer the point home just a little bit
harder, is the distilled essence of loser."
Arthur Levesque
Pipian>this through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all
Pipian>intelligently (hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a
Pipian>modicum of dignity.
Why don't you?
Pipian>It is clear that this "David Smith" review, if not just an utter
Pipian>creation just to work Love Hina fans up, is entirely unprofessional,
All that because the review is negative? Unfortunately, some of us
feel that way about "Love Hina", too...
Pipian>coming from a person who has never previously ENJOYED anime, and is
Pipian>thus not in a position to rate it properly.
So only people who like something can review it. What good would
that be, if every single review of every single DVD was a positive one?
Pipian>Not only does he blast Love Hina fans as *SEXUAL DEVIANTS*, but he
Pipian>also rips such popular series as Ah! My Goddess and Evangelion as
Pipian>well. And when I say he rips Ah! My Goddess, he REALLY rips
Pipian>Ah! My Goddess...
He only mentions it once, and rips the fanboys more than the anime
itself[1]. As for Evangelion, he makes a single reference to it from
a merchandising angle, not commenting on the anime at all.
Perhaps you need to sit down, take a deep breath, and count to ten.
Pipian>The so-called review is located at:
Pipian>http://dvd.ign.com/articles/317653p1.html
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[1] I find many fanboys disturbing as well. I'm just a "fan", and there
is a difference.
Pipian
> feel that way about "Love Hina", too...
It's more the critique on the fandom that urks me. THAT has no place in an
anime review.
> So only people who like something can review it. What good would
> that be, if every single review of every single DVD was a positive one?
Well, you oughta at least have an INTEREST in wha you're reviewing...
> He only mentions it once, and rips the fanboys more than the anime
> itself[1]. As for Evangelion, he makes a single reference to it from
> a merchandising angle, not commenting on the anime at all.
> Perhaps you need to sit down, take a deep breath, and count to ten.
Per'aps...
> [1] I find many fanboys disturbing as well. I'm just a "fan", and there
> is a difference.
Quite so, but even then, in the review, he doesn't seem to make much of a
distinction between the casual fan and the fanboy.
Pipian
Doug Jacobs
> Pipian>It is clear that this "David Smith" review, if not just an utter
> Pipian>creation just to work Love Hina fans up, is entirely unprofessional,
> All that because the review is negative? Unfortunately, some of us
> feel that way about "Love Hina", too...
Did you actually read the review? He doesn't just blast Love Hina, he
attacks anime fans in general.
Not liking Love Hina is one thing.
Insulting your readers is another.
He had a few valid points about what others call the "harem genre", but
then goes downhill from there.
Eh, whatever. It's IGN. They've long since proven that they're
unprofessional, and unworthy of anyone's attention.
Invid Fan
<pip...@pipian.com> wrote:
> > So only people who like something can review it. What good would
> > that be, if every single review of every single DVD was a positive one?
>
> Well, you oughta at least have an INTEREST in wha you're reviewing...
>
Depends. There's as much value in warning readers with similar taste
about bad shows as informing them of good ones.
--
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'Invid Fan' an untalented student, or I wouldn't have to keep
shooting fools like you!" Mr. Gone, 'The Maxx'
James Vergara
news:xPD38.747$oM4.30...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> Just in case you haven't heard or seen this, I just found out about this
> through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all intelligently
> (hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a modicum of dignity.
What
> the hell is IGN DVD doing, reviewing Love Hina for anyway? Shouldn't that
> be left to the anime faction under IGN Sci-Fi anyway?
>
> It is clear that this "David Smith" review, if not just an utter creation
> just to work Love Hina fans up, is entirely unprofessional, coming from a
> person who has never previously ENJOYED anime, and is thus not in a
position
> to rate it properly. Not only does he blast Love Hina fans as *SEXUAL
> DEVIANTS*, but he also rips such popular series as Ah! My Goddess and
> Evangelion as well. And when I say he rips Ah! My Goddess, he REALLY rips
> Ah! My Goddess...
>
> The so-called review is located at:
> http://dvd.ign.com/articles/317653p1.html
>
*shrugs*
I'm not much a fan of Love Hina or AMG myself for some of the same reasons.
Too much fanservice for my own good. However, the general overtone of the
review plain out bothered me, although I couldn't help but find it funny
that David Smith out of all people blasts all of LH's viewing audience as
[paraphrased] dateless wankers (which might be close to the truth, but I
digress).
"Pot, say hello to kettle."
Pot: You are black.
That's what circled my mind as I read this review. I don't know anything
about David Smith's social life but the role of a editor of a sinking boat
for geek-related things doesn't really scream for much praise.
I dunno. A year or two ago, I enjoyed IGN's material. It was the first place
I'd head to for the latest video game news and whatnot. These days they're
not really worth spending any time viewing. Their sites are too ad-ridden (I
love how 95% of the time I view IGN the first page I see is some add pimping
out the new Mountain Dew or some lowbrow movie), their Insider deal is a
joke, and now that I'm reading more and more about their unprofessional
methods of running their site, blah.
<flame off>
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> through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all intelligently
> (hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a modicum of dignity. What
> the hell is IGN DVD doing, reviewing Love Hina for anyway? Shouldn't that
> be left to the anime faction under IGN Sci-Fi anyway?
They indeed review the DVD. Funny how this is "unprofessional" in the eyes of
biased anime fans with a complete lack of taste or intellegence. :(
--
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<snip>
> It is clear that this "David Smith" review...
David Smith is a jackass. Seriously. It's like he's trying to be the Howard
Stern of IGN. He refers to himself as "The Reverend". He runs the Q&A
section of IGN-PS2 and spends more time insulting and laughing at the people
with questions than answering any.
A few months ago he said that Nintendo fans were Nazi's, which went over
very well with Peer Schneider, the German-descended GameCube loving founder
of IGN (formerly IGN-64.com, formerly N64.com)
I heard a few days ago that he quit IGN (or was fired from), but I haven't
bothered to confirm it.
Just ignore him and he'll go away.
Rob Browning
wrote:
>Arthur Levesque <meist...@boog.org> wrote:
>> Pipian>It is clear that this "David Smith" review, if not just an utter
>> Pipian>creation just to work Love Hina fans up, is entirely unprofessional,
>
>> All that because the review is negative? Unfortunately, some of us
>> feel that way about "Love Hina", too...
>
>Did you actually read the review? He doesn't just blast Love Hina, he
>attacks anime fans in general.
And?
Rob
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getting outside even less than any of us. Probably because if you were
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reasons to live."
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Now that I think of it, I think the "GameCube Nazi's" incident involved a
different IGN-PS2 jackass.
Whatever.
John "Avtomat Tarantula" Cable
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> "Pipian" <pip...@pipian.com> wrote in message news:xPD38.747
> > Just in case you haven't heard or seen this, I just found out about this
> > through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all intelligently
> > (hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a modicum of dignity. What
> > the hell is IGN DVD doing, reviewing Love Hina for anyway? Shouldn't that
> > be left to the anime faction under IGN Sci-Fi anyway?
>
> They indeed review the DVD. Funny how this is "unprofessional" in the eyes of
> biased anime fans with a complete lack of taste or intellegence. :(
Apparently, it's not legal to not like anime.
These anime fans should grow the hell up. They're probably furiously
pounding out angry e-mails to IGN, not even thinking if it'll have an
impact--they're just angry and they have no emotional control because
they're probably retarded.
--
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I'm a fleabit peanut monkey, all my friends are junkies.
But that's not really true. :(
sabotender
God damn I love that song. I must look like a total psycho driving down
the street, thrashing about widly inside of the car, with Sakura Saku
turned up full blast.
Also, LONG before they posted this review, most people regarded the entire
IGN network as total unprofessional shit, so you LH fans should probably
just take it with a grain of salt.
"Pipian" <pip...@pipian.com> wrote in
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Arthur Levesque
Doug>he attacks anime fans in general.
Do you read the same newsgroups and see the same web pages I do?
Quite a lot of fanboys are like that. Certainly, the reviewer was
unprofessional and over the top; but if people get way too defensive
over it, it's probably because there's a rather large kernel of truth
within it... Otherwise, people wouldn't be watching "Love Hina" or
even worse dreck like "Hanaukyo Maids".
nikkou
> Just in case you haven't heard or seen this, I just found out about this
> through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all intelligently
> (hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a modicum of dignity. What
> the hell is IGN DVD doing, reviewing Love Hina for anyway? Shouldn't that
> be left to the anime faction under IGN Sci-Fi anyway?
Nooo... it's a DVD, so it does fall under DVD reviews. <g>
> It is clear that this "David Smith" review, if not just an utter creation
> just to work Love Hina fans up, is entirely unprofessional, coming from a
> person who has never previously ENJOYED anime, and is thus not in a position
> to rate it properly. Not only does he blast Love Hina fans as *SEXUAL
> DEVIANTS*, but he also rips such popular series as Ah! My Goddess and
> Evangelion as well. And when I say he rips Ah! My Goddess, he REALLY rips
> Ah! My Goddess...
>
> The so-called review is located at:
> http://dvd.ign.com/articles/317653p1.html
I don't see why he has to like anime to review it. I respect reviewers
who do a bit of research before they review a title so they have some
perspective as to how the title stands in regard to others in the genre,
what the show is about and the creators intention. Unfortunately, to
some reviewers a review just means telling us their gut reaction to
whatever it is in hand.
Trolls and attention seekers aren't restricted to Usenet y'know. :)
(Trival: In many publications, the lowest ranking peons are given the
task of writing reviews.)
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Galen Musbach
wrote:
>Doug>Did you actually read the review? He doesn't just blast Love Hina,
>Doug>he attacks anime fans in general.
>
> Do you read the same newsgroups and see the same web pages I do?
>Quite a lot of fanboys are like that. Certainly, the reviewer was
>unprofessional and over the top; but if people get way too defensive
>over it, it's probably because there's a rather large kernel of truth
>within it... Otherwise, people wouldn't be watching "Love Hina" or
>even worse dreck like "Hanaukyo Maids".
You don't enjoy watching Taro-sama suffer?
-Galen
Arthur Levesque
Arthur>dreck like "Hanaukyo Maids".
Galen>You don't enjoy watching Taro-sama suffer?
Nope. I saw the first two episodes and they were some of the most
pathetic panderings to adolescent fanboy fantasies I've seen.
Stuart Dawson
>Just in case you haven't heard or seen this, I just found out about this
>through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all intelligently
>(hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a modicum of dignity.
As it happens, I agree with almost everything he has to say. All
you're doing is having a classic fan boy whine because someone has a
different opinion over your favourite series.
--
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Galen Musbach
wrote:
>Arthur>Otherwise, people wouldn't be watching "Love Hina" or even worse
>Arthur>dreck like "Hanaukyo Maids".
>
>Galen>You don't enjoy watching Taro-sama suffer?
>
> Nope. I saw the first two episodes and they were some of the most
>pathetic panderings to adolescent fanboy fantasies I've seen.
The last three are the best.
-Galen
Blade
> Pipian>It is clear that this "David Smith" review, if not just an utter
> Pipian>creation just to work Love Hina fans up, is entirely unprofessional,
>
> All that because the review is negative? Unfortunately, some of us
> feel that way about "Love Hina", too...
No, not because the review is negative. Because of the implications
expressly stated in it. I don't care for Oh My Goddess as a series and
find Belldandy a tiresomely predictable cardboard cutout of a character,
but insinuating (hell, flat out stating) that anyone who is a fan of her
wants to fuck their mothers is way, way, way out of line.
That's not a review of Love Hina at all. It's a rant such as might be
made by some of the more unwelcome "guests" on this group.
Blade
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Blade
>
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:05:01 GMT, "Pipian" <pip...@pipian.com> wrote:
>
> >Just in case you haven't heard or seen this, I just found out about this
> >through the Megami ML and figured I'd oughta let you all intelligently
> >(hopefully) rip into it and react with at least a modicum of dignity.
>
> As it happens, I agree with almost everything he has to say. All
Ah, so you agree with the statements that fans who like Belldandy want
to fuck their mothers, and fans who like Skuld want to fuck their
sisters?
Charming.
> you're doing is having a classic fan boy whine because someone has a
> different opinion over your favourite series.
<yawn> And you're another "bashing fanboys makes me l33t" dickhead,
obviously.
Doug Jacobs
> Doug>Did you actually read the review? He doesn't just blast Love Hina,
> Doug>he attacks anime fans in general.
> Do you read the same newsgroups and see the same web pages I do?
> Quite a lot of fanboys are like that. Certainly, the reviewer was
> unprofessional and over the top; but if people get way too defensive
> over it, it's probably because there's a rather large kernel of truth
> within it... Otherwise, people wouldn't be watching "Love Hina" or
> even worse dreck like "Hanaukyo Maids".
Again, blasting a show in a review is one thing.
Calling your audience a bunch of dateless, adolscent losers is another.
His review does little explain what's wrong with the show, only that if
you like it, you must be a loser.
Gee, are you still beating your wife?
Doug Jacobs
> They indeed review the DVD. Funny how this is "unprofessional" in the eyes of
> biased anime fans with a complete lack of taste or intellegence. :(
I wouldn't care if he didn't like the show or not.
I do care when someone composes a blind ad-hominem attack and calls it
a "review." Especially considering that this is IGN - home of the "[fill
in the blank] babe of the day" galleries.
So which is it? Love Hina sucks, or people who watch Love Hina suck? Oh
and don't forget to download our latest pin-up pics of the girls from DOA3.
Doug Jacobs
> Also, LONG before they posted this review, most people regarded the entire
> IGN network as total unprofessional shit, so you LH fans should probably
> just take it with a grain of salt.
Well, yeah :)
Thing is, I haven't even seen LH yet - but simply by reading the review,
I must be some sort of sicko-loser.
Gee, thanks, IGN. I think you're all great well adjusted guys too. :p
Sean Connery Got Killed
> In rec.arts.anime.misc Hollies - Long Cool Woman In A Black Dress.mp3
> > biased anime fans with a complete lack of taste or intellegence. :(
>
> I wouldn't care if he didn't like the show or not.
Since it clearly isn't good.
> I do care when someone composes a blind ad-hominem attack and calls it
> a "review." Especially considering that this is IGN - home of the "[fill
> in the blank] babe of the day" galleries.
What happened to not caring?
John "Avtomat Tarantula" Cable
wrote:
> In rec.arts.anime.misc Hollies - Long Cool Woman In A Black Dress.mp3 <tjrehjue@.omeh.hoem.thing> wrote:
>
> > They indeed review the DVD. Funny how this is "unprofessional" in the eyes of
> > biased anime fans with a complete lack of taste or intellegence. :(
>
> I wouldn't care if he didn't like the show or not.
>
> I do care when someone composes a blind ad-hominem attack and calls it
> a "review." Especially considering that this is IGN - home of the "[fill
> in the blank] babe of the day" galleries.
>
> So which is it? Love Hina sucks, or people who watch Love Hina suck?
You know, I haven't seen the show, but it's pretty obvious the answer
is "both." Romantic comedies are inherently unfunny. WOW NOSEBLEED
LOL
> Oh
> and don't forget to download our latest pin-up pics of the girls from DOA3.
Only for subscribers.
Rob Browning
wrote:
>In rec.arts.anime.misc Hollies - Long Cool Woman In A Black Dress.mp3 <tjrehjue@.omeh.hoem.thing> wrote:
>
>> They indeed review the DVD. Funny how this is "unprofessional" in the eyes of
>> biased anime fans with a complete lack of taste or intellegence. :(
>
>I wouldn't care if he didn't like the show or not.
>
>I do care when someone composes a blind ad-hominem attack and calls it
>a "review." Especially considering that this is IGN - home of the "[fill
Actually, it was a non-blind, truthful attack that included a review.
Or, to be more accurate, a review that included a non-blind, truthful
attack.
>So which is it? Love Hina sucks, or people who watch Love Hina suck? Oh
Gee, maybe both?
>and don't forget to download our latest pin-up pics of the girls from DOA3.
She kicks high.
Arthur Levesque
Doug>audience a bunch of dateless, adolscent losers is another.
It's not new. I seem to recall reviews of non-anime movies (like
"Dude, Where's My Car?") that disparaged the sort of person who'd like
it. Furthermore, one can't help getting the impression while watching
some plotless formulaic fanservice-laden anime that that is EXACTLY the
sort of audience that is targetted by (and receiving) some of these
shows.
John "Avtomat Tarantula" Cable
wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:11:17 -0000, Doug Jacobs <dja...@rawbw.com>
> wrote:
>
> Love Hina is a great show if you like the one guy, lottsa cute girls,
> style of Anime. I sure like it.
NO KIDDING