Sunrise arrived yesterday.
Rob Ray
DVD. It has blacker blacks and whiter whites. The laserdisc transfer
flattened out the contrast more. The DVD can be quite dark at times,
but it's generally preferable due to the advantages of the format.
However, although the box mentions a 1.2 aspect ratio, on my set
anyway it seems zoomed in to full-screen 1.33. Directly comparing the
two, there's slightly more information on the top and bottom on the
laserdisc. The two scores and outtakes are the same as on the
laserdisc, but the DVD has an added commentary and other extras.
El Dorado
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> It seems to be the same print as the laserdisc, but retransferred for
> DVD. It has blacker blacks and whiter whites. The laserdisc transfer
> flattened out the contrast more.
May I ask, WHERE did you find a DVD of "Sunrise" (1927)? It isn't listed on
the amazon.com site or the Kino site. Also, the IMDb doesn't show a DVD
release for it.
Is it a Critics' Choice release? Whaaaat???
Dan N.
Dave Garrett
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> May I ask, WHERE did you find a DVD of "Sunrise" (1927)? It isn't listed on
> the amazon.com site or the Kino site. Also, the IMDb doesn't show a DVD
> release for it.
>
> Is it a Critics' Choice release? Whaaaat???
It's not available through retail channels - you have to buy three
titles in the Fox Studio Classics line (the first three to be released
are GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT and remastered special editions of ALL ABOUT
EVE and HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY), then you mail in the proofs of
purchase plus a nominal shipping charge, and they send you the SUNRISE
disc for free.
Dave
El Dorado
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In other words, they FORCE you to buy three (3) hard-to-move turkeys, and
THEN, as a favor to you, they might send you the one video your really want?
Gentlemen, this is capitalism run amok. Guess I'll stick with my S-VHS
print of "Sunrise."
Dan N.
El Dorado
listed on
> > the amazon.com site or the Kino site. Also, the IMDb doesn't show a DVD
> > release for it.
> >
> > Is it a Critics' Choice release? Whaaaat???
>
> It's not available through retail channels - you have to buy three
> titles in the Fox Studio Classics line (the first three to be released
> are GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT and remastered special editions of ALL ABOUT
> EVE and HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY), then you mail in the proofs of
> purchase plus a nominal shipping charge, and they send you the SUNRISE
> disc for free.
>
> Dave
>
In other words, they FORCE you to buy three (3) hard-to-move turkeys, and
THEN, as a favor to you, they might send you the one video you really want?
Max Nineteennineteen
> THEN, as a favor to you, they might send you the one video you really want?
>
> Gentlemen, this is capitalism run amok. Guess I'll stick with my S-VHS
> print of "Sunrise."
>
> Dan N.
Welcome to the same discussion we had six months ago, Dan.
Incidentally, among those hard to move turkeys so far: the best
picture winners of 1941 and 1950.
If you want to know more about how this admittedly odd situation came
about, do a search for Sunrise in this group.
Donna Hill
> In other words, they FORCE you to buy three (3) hard-to-move turkeys, and
> THEN, as a favor to you, they might send you the one video you really want?
>
> Gentlemen, this is capitalism run amok. Guess I'll stick with my S-VHS
> print of "Sunrise."
>
> Dan N.
Au contraire! This offer continues through the year of Fox Classics
releases and there are some very good titles coming up including The
Ghost and Mrs. Muir, The Day the Earth Stood Still and Laura among
others. I would not categorize the initial releases (All About Eve,
Gentleman's Agreement or How Green Was My Valley), any of them, as a
"hard to move turkey" They're all great films. At least in my
opinion (although I posted before that Gentlemans Agreement is not one
of my favorite films)
Donna Hill
Jeremy Bond Shepherd
"El Dorado" <eldo...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> In other words, they FORCE you to buy three (3) hard-to-move turkeys, and
> THEN, as a favor to you, they might send you the one video you really want?
>
> Gentlemen, this is capitalism run amok. Guess I'll stick with my S-VHS
> print of "Sunrise."
Far from being turkeys, EVE and VALLEY are marvellous pictures and the
new DVDs are excellent. AGREEMENT I can live without, but THE DAY THE
EARTH STOOD STILL is coming out this month in the same series. LAURA,
TITANIC, and a bunch of other choice Fox titles are due out later in the
year. I don't have a major problem with this distribution method, though
I suppose making SUNRISE available standalone would be better still.
-Jeremy
Claes Ljunghorn
parts of Canada. Europeans, for example, are not aloved to get Sunrise
AT ALL! AT ANY PRICE!
/Claes
El Dorado
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> In article <S3j9a.3727$J51.5...@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
> "El Dorado" <eldo...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>
> > In other words, they FORCE you to buy three (3) hard-to-move turkeys,
and
> > THEN, as a favor to you, they might send you the one video you really
want?
> >
> > Gentlemen, this is capitalism run amok. Guess I'll stick with my S-VHS
> > print of "Sunrise."
>
> Far from being turkeys, EVE and VALLEY are marvellous pictures and the
> new DVDs are excellent.
> I suppose making SUNRISE available standalone would be better still.
>
> -Jeremy
Thanks you, Jeremy, for not being insulting. Usually when someone on these
groups identifies a movie -- ANY movie -- as a turkey, a trillion voices
rise up to defend it by heaping bile and scorn on the original poster.
Actually, I am aware that "All About Eve," "Gentleman's Agreement," and "How
Green Was my Valley" were all Oscar winners. They are all good pictures,
though the only one I would care to sit through again would be "...Eve." My
point was that the distributor is using what I consider underhanded methods
to move his products. "Sunrise" is a better picture than the others, and
I'm fairly certain its availability by this method will be the only reason
for sales of the other films.
Cheers,
Dan N.
Dan N.
Lincoln Spector
"How
> Green Was my Valley" were all Oscar winners. They are all good pictures,
> though the only one I would care to sit through again would be "...Eve."
My
> point was that the distributor is using what I consider underhanded
methods
> to move his products. "Sunrise" is a better picture than the others, and
> I'm fairly certain its availability by this method will be the only reason
> for sales of the other films.
seriously doubt that it's a more commercial property. I'm sure there are
more people out there who want to buy the other three.
Then why is Fox doing this? Damned if I know.
Lincoln
delovely
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that they have heard of, much less seen, Sunrise will almost be guarenteed
to be 4th by a large margin. Yes, I would prefer Sunrise also, but I doubt
it's the only way they can sell those films. Heck, it's probably the best
way to give Sunrise additional exposure.
AHollis52
people happy, giving it away free for buying a least three classics makes me
happy. Along with Laura and Titanic, Fox is bringing out Anastasia, The Ghost
and Mrs. Muir, The Inn of the Sixth Happiness, The Mark of Zorro, and The
Ox-Bow Incident. If they continue to do the great job they have done on the
first four releases, then it will be a bonus. Since the offer for Sunrise does
not end untill next January then there is time to them up on the offer. I hope
they do this again next year.
Bill Anderson
delovely wrote:
I knew this was happening, but I hadn't paid much attention to the "rules" for
acquiring Sunrise. All I knew was that I wanted a copy.
Then my "The Day the Earth Stood Still" arrived from Amazon today, and to my
surprise it's one of the films on the Sunrise list. An enclosed flyer describes
the unusual marketing plan, and I've been plotting my strategy.
There are only two films in the group that I really want to own -- TDTESS and
Laura. But as I'd buy Sunrise anyway, I figure I'll just consider the third
required film my freebie. It'll probably be All About Eve. I just regret that
I'll need to wait until November for Laura to be released so I can get Sunrise.
--
Bill Anderson
I am the Mighty Favog
William Hooper
Is there a list anywhere of the titles which will be applicable &
available during the time of the SUNRISE offer? So far, I've just
seen sort of fragmentary mentions.
I'm finding myself in the camp of struggling to find 3 titles I'd like
to *buy* for repeated viewing. Oscar winners or not, they're all
slogging melodramas for my taste -- including Day The Earth Stood
Still and Titanic. I think people just *want* them to be something
more.
Neil Midkiff
>
> Far from being turkeys, EVE and VALLEY are marvellous pictures and the
> new DVDs are excellent. AGREEMENT I can live without, but THE DAY THE
> EARTH STOOD STILL is coming out this month in the same series.
It was on the shelf today at Fry's for $14.99, complete with "buy 3, get
Sunrise" sticker on the front of the package. I also saw GENTLEMEN'S
AGREEMENT at the same price.
Fry's is a California-based electronics retailer. Their retail DVD prices
are mostly about 20-25% under list, depending on the distributor. They
have a surprisingly good selection of films from Kino, Image, Criterion,
and other good production companies, and the silents are usually in the
regular "drama" or "comedy" sections rather than being segregated to some
special-interest shelf.
Their sorting by section occasionally has some howlers -- the 1948 David
Lean OLIVER TWIST is filed under "musicals" -- but unlike some video
retailers who put anything older than about 1970 under "classics", they
seem to expect that someone who is looking for a comedy might be just as
interested in one from 1925 or 1935 as 1995, which is refreshing.
-Neil Midkiff
Jasoncheaser
what in the heck does that mean?
I've herd of a turkey as in a bad movie but a "hard to turkey"?!
Joanne Capella
> I'm finding myself in the camp of struggling to find 3 titles I'd like
> to *buy* for repeated viewing. Oscar winners or not, they're all
> slogging melodramas for my taste -- including Day The Earth Stood
> Still and Titanic. I think people just *want* them to be something
> more.
I agree with you there. Fortunately, several of my family and friends
are classic movie buffs, so I'm thinking of buying 3 DVDs to give as
gifts while keeping SUNRISE for myself.
Besides there's only 9 shopping months left 'til Christmas.
Joanne
Lincoln Spector
my
> surprise it's one of the films on the Sunrise list. An enclosed flyer
describes
> the unusual marketing plan, and I've been plotting my strategy.
>
> There are only two films in the group that I really want to own -- TDTESS
and
> Laura. But as I'd buy Sunrise anyway, I figure I'll just consider the
third
> required film my freebie. It'll probably be All About Eve. I just regret
that
> I'll need to wait until November for Laura to be released so I can get
Sunrise.
yesterday). The only other must-have for me on the list is Grapes of Wrath.
So I'll just pick one other movie as the freebie that will get me Sunrise.
Lincoln
kevyip
The 1.2:1 aspect ratio is there on the DVD. Probably the overscanning
of your TV set cuts off the black bars on the left and right sides of
the screen, making it appear to be full screen.
When I viewed it on my PC monitor, which has no overscan, I did see
the black bars.
Bill Vermillion
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>>
>> > May I ask, WHERE did you find a DVD of "Sunrise" (1927)? It isn't
>listed on
>> > the amazon.com site or the Kino site. Also, the IMDb doesn't show a DVD
>> > release for it.
>> >
>> > Is it a Critics' Choice release? Whaaaat???
>>
>> It's not available through retail channels - you have to buy three
>> titles in the Fox Studio Classics line (the first three to be released
>> are GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT and remastered special editions of ALL ABOUT
>> EVE and HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY), then you mail in the proofs of
>> purchase plus a nominal shipping charge, and they send you the SUNRISE
>> disc for free.
>>
>> Dave
>In other words, they FORCE you to buy three (3) hard-to-move
>turkeys, and THEN, as a favor to you, they might send you the
>one video you really want?
They really aren't turkeys. At least two are academy award
pictures. One of the ones useable for this is also this months
"The Day The Earth Stood Still".
Their method of doing this has gathered far more press/publicity
than almost anyting else, and they felt that many stores would not
stock the disk it if were released as a normal item.
Many places don't stock things based on pre-conceived ideas of the
local managers/owners/whatever.
I saw one place recently that had 3 of the 4 Disney DVD releases in
the metal boxes. The one they did NOT stock was the Mickey b/w
series - after all who wants to watch black and white.
If you can't find 3 in the series that will be released over the
next year I feel sorry for you. How Green Was My Valley and
Gentelmans Agreement were both films I wanted. The third in the
first release of 3 was All About Eve - not a film that thrill me
particularly.
But none of those could be close to being called turkeys by my
defintion.
>Gentlemen, this is capitalism run amok. Guess I'll stick with my S-VHS
>print of "Sunrise."
Capitalism is what it's all about - but that's not the reason in
this case.
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
Roxor2
than almost anyting else, and they felt that many stores would not
stock the disk it if were released as a normal item.
Many places don't stock things based on pre-conceived ideas of the
local managers/owners/whatever. >>
It isn't necessarily a pre-conceived notion that prevents video store owners
and buyers from stocking movies like SUNRISE; it's the track record of silent
and early-sound movies released previously in other formats. As a matter of
fact, many of the independent video-store owner/operators (a dying breed,
sadly) embraced the business early on because they were movie buffs themselves.
There are marketplace realities to be considered when stocking titles like
SUNRISE.
Do you think it's an accident that you haven't seen more pre-Code Warners
titles released on DVD? After all, such great films as BLESSED EVENT,
EMPLOYEES ENTRANCE, NIGHT NURSE, HEROES FOR SALE, LADIES THEY TALK ABOUT, and
LADY KILLER (to name just a few) were once available on VHS and laserdisc. But
the fact is, they didn't sell. It's no accident that we haven't seen a DVD
release of the "Forbidden Hollywood" titles. Scattered across the whole
country are a few hundred hearty souls like us, who would race out and buy the
things the minute they hit the streets. The remainder of the copies would sit
on shelves collecting dust.
The video arms of the major studios are interested in volume. Selling big
quantities. This is the same reasoning that prevents Artisan (which has been
distributing Republic titles on DVD) from issuing DVD versions of the Republic
serials, on which they already have digital masters, not to mention stock
artwork that could be used for packaging. They simply couldn't care less about
marketing to the 200 or 300 serial nuts (like myself) who would cheerfully buy
the serials on DVD even though we already have them on laserdisc. It's not
worth the effort to them. Boutique companies like Kino and Milestone can make a
living on obscure titles because their overhead is very low (relatively
speaking) and their business doesn't depend on placing product in major
mainstream retail outlets like Best Buy or Circuit City.
I know and have done business with many of the execs in Fox's video division
and, believe me, you'd be hard pressed to find a bigger group of knuckleheads.
(After all, they initially supported Divx over DVD.) But I can't blame them
for not offering SUNRISE to dealers outright. Frankly, I'm surprised they're
willing to market it at all.
Ed Hulse
JimReid56
>country are a few hundred hearty souls like us, who would race out and buy
>the
>things the minute they hit the streets. The remainder of the copies would
>sit
>on shelves collecting dust.
My hope is that technology will enable the big studios to operate more like the
boutique companies. If they were able to have all the titles they own living on
a giant server and the discs would be made on demand, or even downloaded to
your own PC. Of course, compression technology would have to improve greatly
and we would be giving up the nice artwork on the cases, but if you could dial
up Paramount Home Video's website and download Hands Up! to a disc of some kind
and have your credit card charged $10, I think that would be an ideal
situation.
Archie Waugh
JimReid56 wrote:
> My hope is that technology will enable the big studios to operate more like the
> boutique companies. If they were able to have all the titles they own living on
> a giant server and the discs would be made on demand, or even downloaded to
> your own PC. Of course, compression technology would have to improve greatly
> and we would be giving up the nice artwork on the cases, but if you could dial
> up Paramount Home Video's website and download Hands Up! to a disc of some kind
> and have your credit card charged $10, I think that would be an ideal
> situation.
I think such a scenario is much closer than any of us think.
Archie Waugh
Rodney Sauer
Though without the sales generated by a "release" and accompanying press
coverage, you'll probably not only do without artwork but restoration of
damaged footage, translation of titles from the Russian, and a musical
score.
Still, better than nuthin, I suppose.
Rodney Sauer
rod...@mont-alto.com
The Mont Alto Ragtime and Tango Orchestra
and The Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra
http://www.mont-alto.com/
JimReid56
>coverage, you'll probably not only do without artwork but restoration of
>damaged footage, translation of titles from the Russian, and a musical
>score.
It would be a release, just not the kind we're used to. I think they'd still
need to provide those things to get most people except die hards to buy it. All
you'd do is cut way down on the manufacturing and distributuon costs of the
discs.