Worries/thoughts about the direction "Smallville" may go. Rampant speculation and SPOILERS
Jedi Tyro
major spoiler info and speculation galore below:
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After being spoiler raped shortly before season 2 started, I've been a good
little spoiler whore this season. Thankfully, some didn't pan out, like
Lana getting hurt by Clark's heatvision in "Heat". Unfortunately, some are
looking to be rock solid and have given me pause about where "Smallville"
is headed. The ending of "Rosetta" has fueled my worries even more.
Some (myself included) hope that Clark simply misinterpreted the message in
the ship. In other words, he mistook "guide" or "help" for "rule." The
sad thing is that if that is the case, it was a cheep trick to add suspense
to an otherwise wonderful episode, IMHO, almost ruining the high quality of
the episode.
My fear is that Clark did not get the message wrong and that one or more of
the following is true:
1) The message wasn't meant for Clark, but rather another Kryptonian.
2) The message was for Clark and he didn't get the meaning wrong.
3) Krypton isn't destroyed or there's a "new" Krypton that the Kryptonians
plan to or have relocated to.
Episode 2x18 "Visitor" will feature a boy about Clark's age named Cyrus.
He can do everything Clark can and possibly more. Cyrus also gives Clark
an "item" which may provide the coordinates for Krypton.
It seems to me that Millar and Gough either didn't hear the uproar about
what J.J. Abrams proposed for Krypton in his first draft of a Superman
script or even worse that they did and thought it sounded like a good idea.
I hope I'm wrong and that "Smallville" pulls something out of left field,
but even if they don't and I'm right, I'll stick with it to the bitter end.
"Rosetta" was so damn good, I'm willing to go down with the ship, if it
comes to that. ;-)
Hopefully, I won't be as on the ball with this as I was with my creamed
corn factory/Clark's adoption theory. :-(
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PJ Browning
<jedi...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Some (myself included) hope that Clark simply misinterpreted the message in
> the ship.
I don't think that he did. And I hope he didn't .
That's right. I hope that the message was that Clark has the power to
rule this world.
Kryptonians were on Earth once before. In a much more primative time.
They know that they would be super strong etc. When they wanted to save
their race, why not send a child to another planet. I'm guessing that
Krypton went boom cause of a war of some kind. If I'm right, then the
'rule the world' attitude fits.
which leaves two options.
1. Clark didn't read the whole message. there was a second part warning
him not to give into the power he has in order to rule
2. Clark defies the message and is a force for good instead of evil.
microknee finger
I vote for 2... and that this will expand into a tense father/son
relationship between Jor-El and Kal-El, possibly borrowing a bit from
Byrne's "Eradicator" plotline, where Superman was temporarily possessed by a
Kryptonian artifact that sought to recreate Earth in Krypton's image. But
remember... even the Eradicator eventually grew to see things differently.
So perhaps Jor-El... or Jor-El's programmed virtual self, whatever it is...
will change, as well.
> 3) Krypton isn't destroyed or there's a "new" Krypton that the
Kryptonians
> plan to or have relocated to.
I really hope not.
> Episode 2x18 "Visitor" will feature a boy about Clark's age named Cyrus.
> He can do everything Clark can and possibly more. Cyrus also gives Clark
> an "item" which may provide the coordinates for Krypton.
I've been wondering about that... I'm hoping Cyrus will simply turn out to
be a kryptonite mutant with geeky delusions. Or maybe even a normal person
with geeky delusions who fakes his powers somehow. But that doesn't mean the
artifact he has isn't authentic. He could have found it and just assumed it
was his, or wished it was his.
~ Chad
Robert Goodman
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I didn't read past the 1st line of the remainder, because I don't want
to be spoiled past where we are in airings. Anyway, your fears are my
"hopes". Not that I want necessarily any of the 3 things above, but I
like the POSSIBILITY that any of those could be the case. I like the
ambiguity, the suspense. That's why I posted about a year ago that I'd
like them to game the Lex character -- to actually leave it to chance
which of various directions to take, as if the character had free will.
(Outline a couple of possibilities, throw a die and see which to use.)
I really doubt #1 above, however, as applies to the message from the
space ship. The material in the cave may have been meant for another,
but at least it didn't affect Clark the way it did the cunning linguist;
i.e. it may discriminate by "ethnicity" but not by individual, even
though possibly intended for another individual.
Robert
Len-L
wrote:
>Some (myself included) hope that Clark simply misinterpreted the message in
>the ship. In other words, he mistook "guide" or "help" for "rule." The
>sad thing is that if that is the case, it was a cheep trick to add suspense
>to an otherwise wonderful episode, IMHO, almost ruining the high quality of
>the episode.
No, I think that Jor-El actually meant "rule," This is a very nice
touch to the origin story. Who says Jor-El had to anticipate his son
becoming a superhero in tights?
geno_...@tin.it
of Superman story with the original Superman.. practically making the japanese Toriyama's version
more official than ever before.
On DBZ the alien Goku came from the destroyed planet Vegeta. He was sent to planet Earth by his race
when he was a child. All children on Vegeta are sent to conquer those easy planets where inhabitants
are weak. And when Goku is older and has a son it comes his brother from space to rescue him and
blame him for not having killed humans....
Well... many elements of DBZ like Superman storyline modified similarities are now getting official
with the Smallville revision of it.
So far it seems that they're doing a great mix of all these elements and hinting to the japanese
Toriyama's DBZ storyline as well makes a lot of fanservice to please both pure original US comics
fans and Japanese/far-East DBZ fans as well as Anime fans all over the world.. then add to that the
mix with Reeve's appearance to mix it with the movie versions and you get a great mixture of
Superman variations and spin-offs.
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:39:24 -0500, Jedi Tyro <jedi...@adelphia.net> wrote:
Groovie Knave
>touch to the origin story. Who says Jor-El had to anticipate his son
>becoming a superhero in tights?
>
Or maybe Clarks who translation of the language was just a sick joke he was
pulling on his father, and next episode he'll back away from the hug and say
"Gee Dad, I was just kidding you bitchy old man!" hah hah hah!
Actually it was a cheap shot, it was a pathetic display of attempting a
"cliffhanger" when all they had to do was end the show as soon as the ship lit
up the symbols and then have Clark translate it for what it really says which
is:
"Don't be evil"
Shane MacIntyre
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Barry
I'm hoping the message was intended for Clark and said "rule".
Clark's been oblivious to the harm his superpowers can cause. A
single person with the ability to change destiny is dangerous, not
matter how good his intentions may be. Lex, I'm sure knows this.
Clark has yet to learn. I'm not familiar with the comic book series,
but the Smallville Lex doesn't seem thoroughly evil and I hope he
doesn't become so. He may be a ruthless businessman, and have some
evil tendencies, but that's part of being human. I wondering if, in
Smallville, the true roots of the conflict between Superman and Lex
arise from Lex's concern the a person with Superman's power is
potential dangerous -- to the world and to Lex's business concern's.
Add in the potential that Lionel Luther or any other person might
manipulate Superman to further their own ends (without Superman's
knowledge), and Superman poses quite a threat to Lex. I think Lex
would view a Superman running loose in the world about the same way
most of us would view a batch of missing fissionable plutonium.
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>Or maybe Clark's translation of the language was just a sick joke he was
>pulling on his father, and next episode he'll back away from the hug and say
What do you mean? Why would he be joking to about that Jonathan? I really like
Clark's decision not to open the vessel and insert the 'heart' alone. I
honestly believe that Clark was translating the message to Jonathan as best he
could.
>Actually it was a cheap shot, it was a pathetic display of attempting a
>"cliffhanger" when all they had to do was end the show as soon as the ship
>lit
>up the symbols and then have Clark translate it for what it really says which
>is:
>"Don't be evil"
What do you mean 'cheap shot' for a cliffhanger? A cheap cliffhanger shot would
have been to have Clark and Jonathan standing in front of the open vessel, and
cut to black. The way the episode played out, however, it clued Jonathan and
the audience into Clark's feelings and thoughts, and gave us something more
substantial to ponder. Gives everyone a decent starting point. Otherwise, the
starting point would have been, "Ship is open, card is in the slot; what do you
think was inside?"
Usually Delusional
>like
>Clark's decision not to open the vessel and insert the 'heart' alone. I
>honestly believe that Clark was translating the message to Jonathan as best
>he
>could.
>
Oi, did I flub a line above?
"Why would he be joking to Jonathan about that?"
Stephen Robinson
I hope the message is for Clark. It wouldn't be that surprising. Heck,
if the Romans had been able to send a kid into space, I'm sure they
would have sent along a similar message. This doesn't necessarily mean
that Krypton is evil... just "alien." I prefer that to the whole
"Krypton is just like Earth except more advanced." That's boring, and
I didn't like how -- in the Superman movie --Jor-El essentially
intended for Clark to become Superman. To me, that's wrong and it
makes who actually brought him up superfluous.
No, what makes Clark *Superman* is not his powers -- it's his noble
nature, the upbringing by simple, good-hearted country folk. As I've
always said, if we all had Superman's powers, the world would be a
nightmare, but if we all had his good nature, the world would be a
paradise.
Eric Holler
I hope your wrong. I don't think the the family who sent "This is our
infant son Kal El of Krypton, protect.....blah blah blah" would then
tell him to rule. Also, rule is not necessarly a bad thing. Some
take the reponsiblilites of ruling (ie protecting) very seriously.
He could also be mistaking the ancient tense for rule instead of the
modern Kryptonian
Loved the music, the only improvement I would have made, not possible
these days, is keeping Reeves involvement quite. They filmed it
right, imagine Clark coming around the file cabinet, us seeing Reeves
and then Dun Dudda dunt dah.
Kal El of Krypton. Wow exiciting
Road runner
PJ Browning
Holler <eho...@att.com> wrote:
> I hope your wrong. I don't think the the family who sent "This is our
> infant son Kal El of Krypton, protect.....blah blah blah" would then
> tell him to rule.
I do. Why the secret second message at all? Because it's personal. Or
because they didn't want Earthlings to know .
According to the cave myth, they intended to return at some point. My
question isn't their motives, but why the info charge in the drawings
at all. how were they to know that it would be needed.
Unless a single child was the plan all along. but then after they sent
the ship, something went really, really wrong. And they realized that
the child they just sent is all that would remain, so they sent the
'protect him' message.
I am not a science person but it feels right to me that an object of
significant mass would take longer to reach Earth than a signal from
space. The ship caught up with the message and they 'landed' at about
the same time cause of the force from whatever caused the meteors
(likely the planet exploding). So it works for me.
> Loved the music, the only improvement I would have made, not possible
> these days, is keeping Reeves involvement quiet.
two words: ratings stunt
hot toddy
> Some (myself included) hope that Clark simply misinterpreted
> the message in the ship. In other words, he mistook "guide" or
> "help" for "rule." The sad thing is that if that is the case, it was
> a cheep trick to add suspense to an otherwise wonderful episode,
> IMHO, almost ruining the high quality of the episode.
OK, have you ever wandered the KSite message boards? That
may seem like an off-the-wall question, but it's really not. See, I've
picked up a lot of interesting info there, and there's a pretty good
thread going on right now in which this is discussed. Here are a
couple of relevant quotes from that thread:
"I bought a book this past weekend, The Ultimate Guide To The
Man Of Steel by Scott Beatty. The Foreword in the book is by
Jeph Loeb.
It has been great so far & what is really cool is that the message
Clark read was a direct quote from this book!
Here we go:
Rocketed to Earth from the doomed planet Krypton, the infant
Kal-El was a once great culture's visitor to a world that appeared
savage & untamed compared to Kryptonian civilization. Yet his
father, Jor-El, was confident that Kal-El would thrive. He surmised
that under the rays of Earth's yellow sun, his child would aquire
miraculous powers.
In time, Kal-El would defy gravity and move mountains with his
Herculean strength. On this third planet from the star Sol, the Last
Son Of Krypton would rule, and the Kryptonian civilization would
be reborn.
That was Jor-El's dream. But that isn't what happened. Raised by
a kindly couple in Kansas, Kal-El of Krypton became Clark Kent
of Earth. And when maturity revealed powers far beyond those
of mortal men, Krypton's sole survivor knew that his gifts were
meant to help this world. The world needed a hero. The orphan
of Krypton eventually became Superman, a Man Of Tomorrow
fighting a never ending battle to bring peace and prosperity to the
planet that had afforded him refuge and his own chance at life."
and:
"I have a copy of The Man Of Steel in front of me. It's a graphic
novel of the first 7 comic books from the 1986 revamp. The
following scene is from the first few pages where Jor-El is about
to send Kal-El away...
Lara: What do you mean? If Krypton is doomed as you say, our
child is doomed also.
Jor-El: No, Lara. No. Sealed within the matrix orb, he has been
shielded from the poisonous radiation. True, the orb could not
survive the explosion or our planet but it is resilient enough to
survive a journey through hyper-space!
Lara: WHAT!?!
Jor-El: Come, see for yourself what has been occupying my every
waking hour, since I first suspected the fate of our world, months
ago. Across the reaches of space I have searched, and found at
last a distant world, a world not unlike Krypton of millennia past.
A world the natives call earth.
Lara: It looks so... So wild, so uncontrolled. What manner of beings
could dwell on such a world?
Jor-El: See for yourself. In a nation called America, in a subsection
called Kansas...
Lara: OH-HHHH!!!
Jor-El: Lara... What's wrong?
Lara: Th-that SAVAGE! He... He bares his naked flesh... His hairy
flesh... Bares it to the air! He... touches unprocessed soil! Oh, Jor-El,
what kind of hell do you seek to send our child into?
Jor-El: Not a hell Lara. For him at least, more of a heaven. For the
planet called Earth orbits a yellow star. Exposed to the radiation of
that star, his Kryptonian cells will become living solar batteries, making
him grow even more powerful. He will become the supreme being on
that planet, almost a god!
Lara: Then... He will rule them? He will shape them to proper
Kryptonian ways?
Jor-El: Perhaps. But see now, my servants have almost completed
the adaptation of the matrix. The hyper light drive has been attached.
Lara: But Jor-El, is there no time for reconsidering? Is there no way
for our child to...
Jor-El: No lara, there is no time for anything at all.
Lara: Oh NO! Oh NO NO NO! Perhaps this is not the end! Perhaps
it's only... Only...
Jor-El: No, Lara. Do not clutch at straws. Krypton is doomed. Only
our child can hope to save the legacy of all that was once great in our
world. I must launch the capsule... NOW!"
This doesn't seem to be as large a step or as huge of a tangent from
canon as many seem to be taking it to be. So maybe we can all relax
a little and let time tell the tale. And besides, canon whores are boring.
^_^
entire thread at:
http://pub97.ezboard.com/fkryptonsitefrm23.showMessage?topicID=416.topic
Todd
slept for 14 hours. wow.
Harvey Lee
> "Jedi Tyro" <jedi...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Typo eh? I hear that. I keep telling people it's "eat OFF my body",
not "eat OF my body". How's that for the last temptation of Christ? ;-)
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> No, what makes Clark *Superman* is not his powers -- it's his noble
> nature, the upbringing by simple, good-hearted country folk. As I've
> always said, if we all had Superman's powers, the world would be a
> nightmare, but if we all had his good nature, the world would be a
> paradise.
Best post on this topic yet!
Thanks Stephen!
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Stephen Robinson <blacks...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Jedi Tyro <jedi...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> > Spoiler info came from Kryptonsite.com. I'm not kidding, there is some
> > major spoiler info and speculation galore below:
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The_Fist
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>Spoiler info came from Kryptonsite.com. I'm not kidding, there is some
>The ending of "Rosetta" has fueled my worries even more.
Relax.
>Some (myself included) hope that Clark simply misinterpreted the message in
>the ship. In other words, he mistook "guide" or "help" for "rule." The
>sad thing is that if that is the case, it was a cheep trick to add suspense
>to an otherwise wonderful episode, IMHO, almost ruining the high quality of
>the episode.
I thought the added suspense was the perfect finish to the show. For
Clark to go through the whole "discovery" then the twist at the end
was great IMO, not cheap.
>My fear is that Clark did not get the message wrong and that one or more of
>the following is true:
>
>1) The message wasn't meant for Clark, but rather another Kryptonian.
>2) The message was for Clark and he didn't get the meaning wrong.
>3) Krypton isn't destroyed or there's a "new" Krypton that the Kryptonians
>plan to or have relocated to.
Oh that message was meant for Clark all right. But "You'll be a god
among men" could mean:
- Go use your powers and be a god and rule -- or --
- You have all this power so use it wisely.
"They are a flawed race. Rule them with strength" is also open to
interpretation. It could mean either :
- Use your superiority to conquer Earth and enslave humanity
- Use your gifts to lead humanity and help them become a better race
>Episode 2x18 "Visitor" will feature a boy about Clark's age named Cyrus.
>He can do everything Clark can and possibly more. Cyrus also gives Clark
>an "item" which may provide the coordinates for Krypton.
My predicition is that Krypton is destroyed but there were other
survivors who Clark will encounter. Some good, some (hopefully) bad.
>It seems to me that Millar and Gough either didn't hear the uproar about
>what J.J. Abrams proposed for Krypton in his first draft of a Superman
>script or even worse that they did and thought it sounded like a good idea.
I read about that 1st draft on AICN and that draft had:
- Lex Luthor as an FBI agent and eventually being from Krypton himself
- Krypton not being destroyed but rather Kal-El being sent away
because of a civil war
- A huge battle at the end with the bad Kryptonians (and I believe
huge robots) who invade Earth looking for Kal-El
I don't think Smallville is anywhere near that.
"Steeeeeeeee-rike!"
- Al Bundy
Jedi Tyro
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>
> OK, have you ever wandered the KSite message boards?
I tried awhile ago, I just can't get into message boards at all. I prefer
UseNet. I should give them (message boards) another shot as they seem to
be a great resource.
> That may seem like an off-the-wall question, but it's really not.
When have you ever asked a question that wasn't off-the-wall? :-P
> See, I've
> picked up a lot of interesting info there, and there's a pretty good
> thread going on right now in which this is discussed. Here are a
> couple of relevant quotes from that thread:
>
> "I bought a book this past weekend, The Ultimate Guide To The
> Man Of Steel by Scott Beatty. The Foreword in the book is by
> Jeph Loeb.
*clipped*
That's a first for me, I'm going to have to get my hands on that book.
<grumbles>
>
> and:
>
> "I have a copy of The Man Of Steel in front of me.
*clipped*
I have some familiarity with this version of Superman and while Lara asked
if Kal-El would rule, that wasn't necessarily why Jor-El sent him there.
The "god like" powers doesn't bother me, AFAIK that has always been a
reason for Kal-El being sent to Earth. Jor-El wanting Clark to rule
humanity irks me, it just doesn't seem right. Besides, that premise was
handled better (IMHO) with the Eradicator story line. I can only hope that
the "heart" of the ship is revealed to be the Eradicator (or similar
device) which altered the message Jor-El left for Clark in the ship and
will continue to try and manipulate Clark towards it's own ends. I could
totally get behind that story line.
>
> This doesn't seem to be as large a step or as huge of a tangent from
> canon as many seem to be taking it to be.
Shut up! It is so! <sticks fingers in ears> LA-LA-LA-LA-LA :-P
> So maybe we can all relax a little and let time tell the tale.
I'm relaxed, but it's a worried relaxed. Whether I agree with the story
line or not, I'm positive it'll be one hell of a show. ^_^
> And besides, canon whores are boring.
But our dates never complain. ;-) Seriously, I'm no canon whore, I just
think they've tried adding some suspense/angst in the wrong manner.
> Todd
> slept for 14 hours. wow.
d00d you need a vacation. :-D
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> I have some familiarity with this version of Superman and
> while Lara asked if Kal-El would rule, that wasn't necessarily
> why Jor-El sent him there.
It wasn't necessarily not, either. :op The subject has been
touched on repeatedly in the comics, from what I gather.
Enough that I don't think what Smallville's doing is a big deal
one way or the other. Especially this early in the game, when
we could go anywhere from here.
> The "god like" powers doesn't bother me, AFAIK that has
> always been a reason for Kal-El being sent to Earth. Jor-El
> wanting Clark to rule humanity irks me, it just doesn't seem right.
What if he wants Clar...er, Kal-El to rule them for their own good?
Rule the flawed race with strength, and set them onto a better path?
That's a good intention, and I don't see why the vague message has
to be interpreted as Jor-El wanting his son to be a despot. I know
that, at least at times, the Kryptonian race has been portrayed as
being cool, logical, almost Vulcan, etc. With that in mind, perhaps
Jor-El just assumes his son *will* lead in some fashion, as he would
be the most qualified for the job from that point of view. It doesn't
necesarily have anything to do with an image of Kal-El crushing
humanity under his heel and then ruling the remnants with an iron fist.
I mean, understanding an alien viewpoint is problematic at best - the
thing about aliens is, they're alien. ^_^ It's just too early to tell.
Also, many others have touched on the idea that his translation is
just a little off, and the word "rule" could just as easily be something
very similar but with less sinister undertones. Say, "lead," or maybe
"guide," something like that.
>> Todd
>> slept for 14 hours. wow.
>
> d00d you need a vacation. :-D
End o' May, man. End o' May. The restaurant will be closed for
a week for heating/air renovations, and it's roadtrip time. Chicago
isn't gonna know what hit it. Bunch of cooks on the road, visiting
women and drinking lots of whatever's around and living it up? It's
gonna be crazy. I'll probably need *another* vacation to recover.
Todd
needs to email some people, speaking of that
Jedi Tyro
Make me! ;-)
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> I thought the added suspense was the perfect finish to the show. For
> Clark to go through the whole "discovery" then the twist at the end
> was great IMO, not cheap.
>
That's part of my problem with it; what suspense? We all know there is no
way in hell DC or WB are going to let Millar and Gough turn Clark into some
super-powered despot. If there's no chance of that happening, it's (IMO) a
cheap shot.
*clipped*
>
> Oh that message was meant for Clark all right. But "You'll be a god
> among men" could mean:
>
> - Go use your powers and be a god and rule -- or --
> - You have all this power so use it wisely.
>
I agree, I had no problem with the "god among men" part.
> "They are a flawed race. Rule them with strength" is also open to
> interpretation. It could mean either :
>
The "flawed race" doesn't bother me either, it's perfectly fitting with the
Kryptonians I'm familiar with in the comics and exactly how I think any
advanced civilization would view humanity. The "Rule them with strength,"
just rubs me the wrong way.
> - Use your superiority to conquer Earth and enslave humanity
> - Use your gifts to lead humanity and help them become a better race
>
I fear the first interpretation is what they're going to reveal as the
meaning, but I hope it's the second. Regardless, I'm sure it'll be
entertaining. :-)
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JRWOLFESTR
humanity under his heel and then ruling the remnants with an iron fist.
...that might have happened if Lionel Luthor had found Kal-el...instead of the
Kents
Robert Goodman
news:paeq5vovqqp9vtj0v...@4ax.com...
> >It seems to me that Millar and Gough either didn't hear the uproar
about
> >what J.J. Abrams proposed for Krypton in his first draft of a
Superman
> >script or even worse that they did and thought it sounded like a good
idea.
> I read about that 1st draft on AICN and that draft had:
> - Lex Luthor as an FBI agent and eventually being from Krypton himself
> - Krypton not being destroyed but rather Kal-El being sent away
> because of a civil war
> - A huge battle at the end with the bad Kryptonians (and I believe
> huge robots) who invade Earth looking for Kal-El
That looks just a little like "Between Planets" by Heinlein.
Robert Goodman
> That's part of my problem with it; what suspense? We all know there
is no
> way in hell DC or WB are going to let Millar and Gough turn Clark into
some
> super-powered despot. If there's no chance of that happening, it's
(IMO) a
> cheap shot.
Hmm...did you notice who were turned into what in the Wed. night movie
of "The Lone Ranger"?
JRWOLFESTR
Lone Ranger"?
well,for starters..they changed his "Real name'..it was John Reid..great-uncle
of Britt reid..the Green Hornet
thenn they turned Tonto into Kato
nice hot babe playing Tontos' sister <G>
David B.
Especially the Star Trek ones...
Jewlz!
> My fear is that Clark did not get the message wrong and that one or more
of
> the following is true:
>
> 1) The message wasn't meant for Clark, but rather another Kryptonian.
I don't see how there could be another Kryptonian since Swan said that there
were no other messages sent out except for Clark that day. Unless you're
talking about at some other point there was another?
> 2) The message was for Clark and he didn't get the meaning wrong.
This could be interesting. TW would get some more great acting in and I love
'Red Krypto!Clark'. Although I don't see if lasting for more than several
episodes, I would still love to see this. :)
> 3) Krypton isn't destroyed or there's a "new" Krypton that the
Kryptonians
> plan to or have relocated to.
That would rock but I can't see Clark leaving Earth until the final episode.
> Episode 2x18 "Visitor" will feature a boy about Clark's age named Cyrus.
> He can do everything Clark can and possibly more. Cyrus also gives Clark
> an "item" which may provide the coordinates for Krypton.
Maybe the first Kryptonian that made the caves married an earthling and had
children who have mysteriously remained hidden all these years and the new
kid in an ancestor??
> It seems to me that Millar and Gough either didn't hear the uproar about
> what J.J. Abrams proposed for Krypton in his first draft of a Superman
> script or even worse that they did and thought it sounded like a good
idea.
What uproar?
> I hope I'm wrong and that "Smallville" pulls something out of left field,
> but even if they don't and I'm right, I'll stick with it to the bitter
end.
> "Rosetta" was so damn good, I'm willing to go down with the ship, if it
> comes to that. ;-)
Hehehe. Smallville will go on for a while longer because we have yet to
explore all of Clark's mystery plus all of Lex's evil future. I can't wait!!
> Hopefully, I won't be as on the ball with this as I was with my creamed
> corn factory/Clark's adoption theory. :-(
; /
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Jedi Tyro
*clipped*
>
>> It seems to me that Millar and Gough either didn't hear the uproar about
>> what J.J. Abrams proposed for Krypton in his first draft of a Superman
>> script or even worse that they did and thought it sounded like a good
>> idea.
>
> What uproar?
>
Many fans of the comics (myself included) were upset that Abrams had Kal-El
(Clark) sent from Krypton which was ravaged by war. He was part of a
prophecy that he would return and save the people of Krypton. Kyrpton was
not destroyed. This is what I fear "Smallville" might be doing or
something very similar.
The biggest uproar about the Abrams script was probably the fact that at
the end he reveals Lex Luthor (FBI Special Agent Luthor no less) was
actually a Kryptonian. Thankfully, I don't think "Smallville" will ever do
anything that horrible to the mythos!
I think I mentioned in response to another thread about the "heart" of the
ship being the Eradicator from the comics and that if it is, it possibly
altered the message (or completely fabricated one) Jor-El left for his son.
I'd love that story line because they could have an entire season with the
Eradicator messing with and continually trying to manipulate Clark.
Robert Goodman
> The biggest uproar about the Abrams script was probably the fact that
at
> the end he reveals Lex Luthor (FBI Special Agent Luthor no less) was
> actually a Kryptonian. Thankfully, I don't think "Smallville" will
ever do
> anything that horrible to the mythos!
What's so horrible about that?
Jedi Tyro
Aside from the fact that it's just plain stupid? 0_o I know you like ideas
from left field, but you have got to be the only person I've seen, online
or offline, that did not have a problem with that idea. The whole,
"Special FBI Agent Lex Luthor" was bad enough, but making him a Kryptonian
boggled the mind. The appeal to Lex Luthor for myself, was that despite
being a "mere" human, he was arguably the biggest thorn in Superman's side.
Turning Lex Luthor into a Kryptonian simply so he could slug it out with
Kal-El, reduced him from criminal genius to super-powered thug. I'm
probably more of a fan of the huge slugfests in comics than most, but I
want to see Luthor mess with Superman, not duke it out with him.