Jeep thing or sheep thing?

Omphalos

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Jun 29, 2003, 9:28:03 PM6/29/03

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Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:

"You wouldn't understand man....it's a Jeep thing!"

Ok. I guess I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand
something about " the Jeep thing".

It seems many(not all) Jeepers want to belong to a group of rugged
individualists. They feel that having a rugged Jeep sets them apart
from the rest of society and makes them "different" somehow.
What is this? Words like "belong" and "group" and "individualists"
really seem to contradict each other don't they? It seems many
Jeepers want to be different, just like all the different people.

Here comes Barbi Anne, driving her new pink Jeep onto the gravel
national forest road. Ken is heading her way in his new blue Jeep,
and he waves the "jeep wave" to Barbi. Barbi waves back, smiling and
giggling. "I really belong" , thinks Barbi. " I really belong to
a group of people that like me for my automobile purchase. I feel
really good about that." Barbi Anne smiles a faint smile and
continues down the road. A few seconds later, Outback Johnny passes
Barbi Anne in his new green Jeep, and waves. Barbi Anne waves back.
Continuing down the road, Barbi Anne responds to 34 waves from
Jeepers.
" It's a Jeep thing!" they all yell at her. " It's a Jeep thing!"
Further down the road, Barbi Anne's progress is temporarily halted by
a herd of sheep crossing the road to greener pastures. She listens to
their bleating and babbling, and observes how they all huddle
together.
"baaaaa.....baaaaaaaaa...bleeeeeeeet.......baaaaaaaaa". The sheep
huddle even closer across the road. " baaaaaaaa...its a jeep
thing.....
baaaaaaa.....it's a jeep thing...........be like
us....baaaaaaaaa..........wave....belong.....chew......ba........baaaaa
a ......bleeeeeettttt." The sheep babble even louder, then slowly
pass over a low hill on the horizon. Barbi Anne drives her Jeep down
the road, glad that she was pressured by friends to belong to the
"Jeep Thing".

Meanwhile, Jimmy is on a nearby forest road, about to park at a
turnoff near a fishing stream. Jimmy drives a Chevy 4x4 full size.
He parks his rig and takes his 6 foot fly rod case out of the bed, and
unloads his gear. A man in a toyota 4runner drives by and waves.
The man in the 4runner turns around to talk to the man about the
fishing. " How do you like the full size chevy?" asks the 4runner
driver. " I like it just fine". Jimmy responds.
" how do you like your 4runner?" asks jimmy. " I like it just
fine",
says the 4runner driver.

" What thing is it?" asks Jimmy. " It's not ANYTHING," says the
4runner driver. "it's just a damn car."

--
________
==\ /=================================
===\ /===I am the Blue Screen of Death==
====\ /======No one hears your screams====
=====\/====================================

http://31337.pl

Earle Horton

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Jun 29, 2003, 9:31:00 PM6/29/03

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This is one of my favorites, and I couldn't agree more, but you should give
credit when you rip off other people's work. "Muskie" posted this first on
September 15, 1998. If you are actually Muskie under another alias, which I
doubt, never mind.

Earle

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Daniel J. Stern

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Jun 29, 2003, 10:45:31 PM6/29/03

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Omphalos wrote:

> Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:
> "You wouldn't understand man....it's a Jeep thing!"

<snip>

Same as Macintologists who regard their computers as a lifestyle choice or
a religion rather than a computer.

Same as people who buy "Adbusters" magazine thinking that by doing so,
they're being subversive and not buying into The System.

It's all just marketing.

"Real Jeeps have round headlights" was much better and made much more
sense 'til the Liberty (Barbie's Li'l SUV) came along.

DS

Jerry Bransford

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Jun 29, 2003, 11:05:32 PM6/29/03

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"Chris Phillipo" <Xcphi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <DmMLa.167233$cm4.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
> omph...@xmsg.com says...

> > Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:
> >
> > "You wouldn't understand man....it's a Jeep thing!"
> >
> > Ok. I guess I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand
> > something about " the Jeep thing".
> >
>

> Makes me laugh everytime I hear it, because I do understand. I
> understand that not since "Where's the beef?" has a catch phrase
> concocted by some madison avenue BMW driver been proudly and mindlessly
> parroted by so many people.

It truly is a "Jeep thing" that few besides another Jeep enthusiast would
understand... but I would never actually say or display that phrase on my
Jeep as some do. :) But in many ways, Jeeping is no different than any
other hobby that you can spend a lot of money doing.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Earle Horton

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Jun 30, 2003, 12:18:30 AM6/30/03

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"Jerry Bransford" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:MPG.196980267...@news.eastlink.ca...
> > In article <DmMLa.167233$cm4.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
> > omph...@xmsg.com says...
> > > Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:
> > >
> > > "You wouldn't understand man....it's a Jeep thing!"
> > >
> > > Ok. I guess I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand
> > > something about " the Jeep thing".
> > >
> >
> > Makes me laugh everytime I hear it, because I do understand. I
> > understand that not since "Where's the beef?" has a catch phrase
> > concocted by some madison avenue BMW driver been proudly and mindlessly
> > parroted by so many people.
>
> It truly is a "Jeep thing" that few besides another Jeep enthusiast would
> understand... but I would never actually say or display that phrase on my
> Jeep as some do. :) But in many ways, Jeeping is no different than any
> other hobby that you can spend a lot of money doing.
>

Actually, you can spend as much or as little money as you want. That's part
of the beauty of it. :o)

Earle

Nathan Nagel

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Jun 30, 2003, 6:18:02 AM6/30/03

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Note to self: keep spare keyboard handy at all times.

nate

Maxwell Smart

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Jun 30, 2003, 12:42:34 PM6/30/03

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"Nathan Nagel" <njn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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a sheep thing is buying an SUV, which is relatively worthless offroad, and keeping it in
your driveway because you peer has done the same. Whatever one says about jeeps, they are
one of the top 3 vehicles that actually go offroad. the tahoes, expeeditions, durangos,
etc. can only wish they could follow.

as for Macintosh users, well some people like paying more for less and being a minority

Matthew S. Whiting

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Jun 30, 2003, 5:04:45 PM6/30/03

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Jerry Bransford wrote:
> "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:MPG.196980267...@news.eastlink.ca...
>
>>In article <DmMLa.167233$cm4.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>omph...@xmsg.com says...
>>
>>>Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:
>>>
>>> "You wouldn't understand man....it's a Jeep thing!"
>>>
>>> Ok. I guess I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand
>>>something about " the Jeep thing".
>>>
>>
>>Makes me laugh everytime I hear it, because I do understand. I
>>understand that not since "Where's the beef?" has a catch phrase
>>concocted by some madison avenue BMW driver been proudly and mindlessly
>>parroted by so many people.
>
>
> It truly is a "Jeep thing" that few besides another Jeep enthusiast would
> understand... but I would never actually say or display that phrase on my
> Jeep as some do. :) But in many ways, Jeeping is no different than any
> other hobby that you can spend a lot of money doing.

Best thing I saw displayed on a Jeep was a bumper sticker with upside
down writing that said "If you can read this, please flip me over."

Matt

Jeff Strickland

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Jun 30, 2003, 5:34:25 PM6/30/03

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Obviously another clueless troll.

Jeff Strickland

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Jun 30, 2003, 5:36:07 PM6/30/03

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>
> It truly is a "Jeep thing" that few besides another Jeep enthusiast would
> understand... but I would never actually say or display that phrase on my
> Jeep as some do. :) But in many ways, Jeeping is no different than any
> other hobby that you can spend a lot of money doing.
>
> Jerry
> --

How many car brands can you think of that are also a verb?

SBlackfoot

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Jun 30, 2003, 5:26:29 PM6/30/03

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> a sheep thing is buying an SUV, which is relatively worthless offroad, and
keeping it in
> your driveway because you peer has done the same. Whatever one says about
jeeps, they are
> one of the top 3 vehicles that actually go offroad. the tahoes,
expeeditions, durangos,
> etc. can only wish they could follow.

Uhh... My little stock Jimmy can hang with the stock Jeeps fairly well
offroad. And my brother's Pathfinder does pretty damned well with it's
Swampers, although snowbanks have been a problem. lol SUVs are worthless
offroad? Rookie.

> as for Macintosh users, well some people like paying more for less and
being a minority

To each his own. What do you care?

SBlackfoot

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Jun 30, 2003, 5:27:21 PM6/30/03

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> Best thing I saw displayed on a Jeep was a bumper sticker with upside
> down writing that said "If you can read this, please flip me over."

Actually I saw that on a Jeep too, just beneath the windshield. Must be a
Jeep thing. ;o)

Dave Milne

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Jun 30, 2003, 6:01:29 PM6/30/03

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Ford , Dodge, Rover , Triumph ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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: >
: > It truly is a "Jeep thing" that few besides another Jeep enthusiast

:
:
:
:

Maxwell Smart

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Jun 30, 2003, 6:23:56 PM6/30/03

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calm down, bud. First, I have owned Nissans and run with Jimmys & full size GM and to say
they can keep up with jeeps is a stretch. Rookie? I bet I was offroading when you were
still watching the Dukes of Hazard. Right now offroading is part of my career phase (well,
it gets me to where I am working). SUV's are for the most part worthless in any type of
moderate offroading situation; unless you consider undersprung, minimal ground clearance,
over weight and over sized characteristics positive.

As for the Mac v. PC; is it your contention that opinions are not allowed? FYI if you work
in a field that deals with both formats and the problems therein, it makes one hell of a
difference. I'll make it easier. Cruise the software section and see what it's like. Hint:
does beta v. VHS ring a bell?

Jeff Strickland

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Jun 30, 2003, 8:37:50 PM6/30/03

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> Ford , Dodge, Rover , Triumph ?
>
>

Those are verbs? Triumph, maybe ...

Let's go <insert your favorite ride here>ing. Let's go Truimphing? Let's go
Fording? Dodging? Nope, only "let's go Jeeping." makes any sense as a verb.

DragonRider

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Jun 30, 2003, 9:03:58 PM6/30/03

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:28:03 GMT, Omphalos <omph...@xmsg.com> wrote:

>Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:
>
> "You wouldn't understand man....it's a Jeep thing!"
>
> Ok. I guess I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand
>something about " the Jeep thing".

As a multiple Jeep owner I couldn't agree more. Jeep wave? If I see
another Wrangler that is decked out and has some mud on it, they get
the wave. If I see biff and buffy in their pristine grand cherokee's?
Not going to bother.. they'd not get off the cell phone to answer it
anyhow. <g> My '93 Grand Cherokee (ZJ V8) was worn out off-road
before selling it, now the '99 Wrangler is often more brown than green
and I'm slowly building it up since I live about 45 minutes from
Tellico and Royal Blue. Jeep thing? Yeah, if you understand!! Too bad
many of the owners don't...

Ownership of a Ferrari does not make one Michael Schumacher, ownership
of a Jeep doesn't mean they get it..

Clay-in-Ky

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Jun 30, 2003, 9:13:48 PM6/30/03

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You can ford a river, dodge incoming, and triumph over an enemy. Actually,
jeeping doesn't seem like a verb to me. Isn't the verb in "Let's go
jeeping" go?

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Robbie and Laura Reynolds

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Jun 30, 2003, 9:14:16 PM6/30/03

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The question was how many brands are also a verb, with no reference to a
particular context. Consider: fording a river, dodging the bullet.
Rover is a noun. Triumph is a good one, too, but I can't think of any
others right now...

Nathan Nagel

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Jun 30, 2003, 9:19:02 PM6/30/03

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only one I don't see is "rover"

"ford" = cross a stream at a shallow spot
"dodge" = get the hell out of the way
"triumph" = well, that's obvious

nate

Jeff Strickland

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Jun 30, 2003, 10:21:10 PM6/30/03

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Yes, dodging bullets, fording streams, triumphing over Saddam, roving around
England are all verbs. But none of them are nearly the same as Jeeping in
the woods.

You guys must be liberals, everything has to be explained.

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Robbie and Laura Reynolds

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Jun 30, 2003, 10:32:53 PM6/30/03

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Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Yes, dodging bullets, fording streams, triumphing over Saddam, roving around
> England are all verbs. But none of them are nearly the same as Jeeping in
> the woods.
>
> You guys must be liberals, everything has to be explained.
>

Troll: An idiot who says something deliberately inflammatory on usenet,
not necessarily the originator of a thread.

Ted Mittelstaedt

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>
>
> As for the Mac v. PC; is it your contention that opinions are not allowed?
FYI if you work
> in a field that deals with both formats and the problems therein, it makes
one hell of a
> difference. I'll make it easier. Cruise the software section and see what
it's like. Hint:
> does beta v. VHS ring a bell?
>

True for desktop apps but Mac's are rapidly becoming the UNIX workstation of
choice
for those that are still using them. A Mac running OS X can't beat a full
blown UNIX server,
of course, but X windows applications are a thing of beauty on them.

As to how this relates to cars, beats me.

Ted

>

Dave Brower

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Jul 1, 2003, 1:48:19 AM7/1/03

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You've never done any *fording* with your Jeep?
You MUST be a newbie.

Dave

Dave Milne

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Jul 1, 2003, 4:23:37 AM7/1/03

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I knew what you meant - I was just taking you literally for fun.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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Dave Milne

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Jul 1, 2003, 4:26:57 AM7/1/03

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I just have a dry sense of humour and didn't put the smilie on...

Dave Milne, Scotland
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Matthew Russotto

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Jul 1, 2003, 10:06:58 AM7/1/03

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In article <vg1m7j6...@corp.supernews.com>,

*snicker*
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrus...@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

Lloyd Parker

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Jul 1, 2003, 10:53:25 AM7/1/03

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In article <vg1bire...@corp.supernews.com>,

Rolls? SAAB (pronounced "sob")? Ford. Dodge.

Lloyd Parker

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In article <Zq2Ma.11930$U02.85...@news-text.cableinet.net>,

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Ford , Dodge, Rover , Triumph ?

Rover is a noun (rove would be a verb). Triumph is also a noun. Jeep is not
a verb either.

Daniel J. Stern

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Jul 1, 2003, 11:15:16 AM7/1/03

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> > Ford , Dodge, Rover , Triumph ?

>
> Those are verbs? Triumph, maybe ...

Hey, here comes a bullet. You'd better dodge it.

Hey, there's a stream. Let's ford it.

DS

Geoff

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Jul 1, 2003, 11:59:52 AM7/1/03

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> Rover is a noun (rove would be a verb). Triumph is also a noun. Jeep is
not
> a verb either.

Perhaps you might want to complain to the folks that sold you that bargain
G.E.D. curriculum, Lloyd, they've let you get by without even basic
knowledge of grammar. Triumph is clearly a verb.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Triumph%20
Triumph

\Tri"umph\, v. t. To obtain a victory over; to prevail over; to conquer.
Also, to cause to triumph. [Obs.]

Let's see, according to my count this is 'Duh!' number two for the day.
Care to have a go at number three?

--Geoff

Daniel J Stern

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Jul 1, 2003, 12:14:24 PM7/1/03

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Geoff wrote:

> "Lloyd Parker" wrote:

> > Rover is a noun (rove would be a verb). Triumph is also a noun.

> Perhaps you might want to complain to the folks that sold you that bargain

> G.E.D. curriculum, Lloyd, they've let you get by without even basic
> knowledge of grammar. Triumph is clearly a verb.

Uhm...Geoff? No. It's both a noun and an intransitive verb. You might want
to complain to the folks *who* (not "...the folks THAT...) put together
that bargain dictionary website you used. From the Mirriam-Webster site at
www.webster.com:

2 entries found for triumph.

Triumph [1] noun
Triumph [2] intransitive verb

Didn't you know Moses drove British cars? He descended the mountain in his
triumph...?

DS

Geoff

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Jul 1, 2003, 1:11:21 PM7/1/03

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> Uhm...Geoff? No. It's both a noun and an intransitive verb. You might want
> to complain to the folks *who* (not "...the folks THAT...) put together
> that bargain dictionary website you used. From the Mirriam-Webster site at
> www.webster.com:

Oops, I didn't mean to imply triumph is a verb and only a verb. My
apologies: I failed to be complete.

Parker's *still* wrong, though. Now that I've been called out, and just for
the sake of completeness:

in·tran·si·tive
(n-trns-tv, -z-)
adj. Abbr. intr. or int. or i.
Designating a verb or verb construction that does not require or cannot
take a direct object, as snow or sleep.
Lest you cast too many aspersions upon dictionary.com (rather than my
misusage of it):

"The dictionaries that appear on Dictionary.com include:
a.. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
b.. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
c.. WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
d.. The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2001 Denis Howe
e.. Jargon File 4.2.0
f.. CIA World Factbook (1995)
g.. Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
h.. Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
i.. U.S. Gazetteer, U.S. Census Bureau "
Point of order, Dan: Are you going to call Parker up and read the definition
of intransitive to him, or does that fall upon me?

--Geoff

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Dave Milne

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Jul 1, 2003, 1:28:13 PM7/1/03

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Rover is a noun. Triumph is a verb, albeit slightly archaic, and a noun.

Since he mentioned Jeep as a verb, I thought I'd get away with Rover.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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Dave Milne

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Jul 1, 2003, 1:35:35 PM7/1/03

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I didn't think anyone pronounced SAAB as sob.
I don't think truncating Rolls Royce counts :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
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aghasee

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Nice, but how does this justify all the crap attached to yer msg?
--
And in the gathered crowd, Cornholio gave tacos and burritos
to the starving and flying wedgies to the self-righteous.
He then waited until the turds on lake titicaca
glowed and steamed in the evening twilight before
sacrificing the amphibian on the holy baseball bat.

-Roy Batty-The Book of Bungholio Psalms 121-

Dave Milne

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Jul 1, 2003, 1:40:43 PM7/1/03

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So did Joshua (whose Triumph was heard all over the land)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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:: Didn't you know Moses drove British cars? He descended the mountain in
his
: triumph...?
:
: DS
:

Geoff

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Jul 1, 2003, 1:57:20 PM7/1/03

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> Nice, but how does this justify all the crap attached to yer msg?

It looks like OE performed this 'favor' for me when I cut-n-pasted the
definition of intransitive from the website. I don't ordinarily add
attachments to usenet posts.

Sorry about the extra 198 bytes. If you've got a 300 bits/second modem I
guess I added approximately 5.28 seconds to your dialup download. Send me a
bill.

--Geoff

Daniel J. Stern

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Jul 1, 2003, 2:04:59 PM7/1/03

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Geoff wrote:

> > Nice, but how does this justify all the crap attached to yer msg?
>
> It looks like OE performed this 'favor' for me when I cut-n-pasted the
> definition of intransitive from the website.

Outbreak Express? For news, let alone for mail?

Shame, Geoff. I expected better/smarter from you.

DS

Mr. Bubble

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Jul 1, 2003, 2:27:04 PM7/1/03

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Best bumper sticker i've ever seen was actually on a VW hippie bus, It read
" Die Yuppie Scum !"

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> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > "Chris Phillipo" <Xcphi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.196980267...@news.eastlink.ca...
> >
> >>In article <DmMLa.167233$cm4.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
> >>omph...@xmsg.com says...

> >>
> >>>Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:
> >>>
> >>> "You wouldn't understand man....it's a Jeep thing!"
> >>>
> >>> Ok. I guess I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand
> >>>something about " the Jeep thing".
> >>>
> >>

> >>Makes me laugh everytime I hear it, because I do understand. I
> >>understand that not since "Where's the beef?" has a catch phrase
> >>concocted by some madison avenue BMW driver been proudly and mindlessly
> >>parroted by so many people.

> >
> >
> > It truly is a "Jeep thing" that few besides another Jeep enthusiast
would
> > understand... but I would never actually say or display that phrase on
my
> > Jeep as some do. :) But in many ways, Jeeping is no different than any
> > other hobby that you can spend a lot of money doing.
>

> Best thing I saw displayed on a Jeep was a bumper sticker with upside
> down writing that said "If you can read this, please flip me over."
>
>
> Matt
>

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Dave, I wasn't referring to you...

Robbie and Laura Reynolds

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>
> "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make: either you are with
> us or you are with the terrorists." ----George W. Bush, in a speech to a joint
> session of congress.

A classic example of the fallacy of false alternatives. (Buy my brand
of toothpaste if you don't want all your teeth to fall out.) Why do
people fall for this stuff?

Lon Stowell

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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> "Maxwell Smart" <Age...@control.com> wrote in message
> news:4N2Ma.174430$eJ2.10772@fed1read07...
>
>>
>>As for the Mac v. PC; is it your contention that opinions are not allowed?
> FYI if you work
>>in a field that deals with both formats and the problems therein, it makes
> one hell of a
>>difference. I'll make it easier. Cruise the software section and see what
> it's like. Hint:
>>does beta v. VHS ring a bell?

Yeah, the one that sucked won, due to "smart" people.
>
>
> True for desktop apps but Mac's are rapidly becoming the UNIX workstation of
> choice
> for those that are still using them. A Mac running OS X can't beat a full
> blown UNIX server,
> of course, but X windows applications are a thing of beauty on them.
> As to how this relates to cars, beats me.

Macs are gaining nicely in the creative arts area, particularly
now that the 64bit G5 is in the works with a new operating system
that is also 64bit... and like a 64 bit unix OS can run
32 bit apps nicely. As for what it has to do with cars,
wait until Microsoft enters that market and all of a sudden
your vehicle comes to a dead stop and the navigation display
does the notorious Blue Screen Of Death.

C.R. Krieger

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"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:<HDjMa.129$pO2.1...@news-text.cableinet.net>...

> I didn't think anyone pronounced SAAB as sob.

You'd probably have a hard time distinguishing the broad American 'aa'
from the 'o' in 'sob'. Of course, if you pronounce it the way I do,
with an added 'l', it becomes a noun and possibly more accurate:
'SLOB'.

> I don't think truncating Rolls Royce counts :-)

Sure it does! But it's better if it's overturned rather than hit from
the front and/or rear, as truncation would suggest. ;^)

If we're including foreign marques, 'Horch', 'Audi', and 'Volvo' are
all verbs of one sort or another, but they were *intended* to be.

Hey, how about 'Knight'?
--
C.R. Krieger
"Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields

Dave Milne

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Saab = Sob if you have a Boston accent perhaps ?

Volvo - tha'ts the latin for "I roll over"
Fiat - that's the latin for "let it happen"
Audi - that the latin for "listen up !"

:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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Daniel J. Stern

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dave Milne wrote:

> I didn't think anyone pronounced SAAB as sob.

Most North Americans, including Saab marketers, pronounce it the same way
we pronounce "sob". Remember, however, that many North American accents
pronounce the short "o" very differently, such that the (primary) vowel
sounds in "forest", "orange", "sob", "sod" and "opera" are the same as the
(primary) vowel sounds in "Martin", "bra", and "darn". Therefore, "Saab
story" sounds exactly like "sob story".

There are North American accents in which the short "o" pronunciation is
closer to many British accents ("orange", "forest" and "opera" have the
same primary vowel sounds as "paw", "thaw" and "law"). These occur
primarily in the Northwestern US, with pockets elsewhere. However, if you
wanted the vowel sound in "sob" to be similar to the one in "paw", you'd
have to head for the Canadian Maritime provinces, e.g. Newfoundland.

"Mazda" with the first vowel sounding the same as the one in "rat" is
common in England, but unique in North America to Canada; in the US the
first vowel in "Mazda" sounds like the one in "bra".

> Dave Milne, Scotland

Scotland?! Blimey. All bets are off. 8^{)}

DS

Dick Clark

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Jul 1, 2003, 5:50:17 PM7/1/03

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"Lon Stowell" <lon.s...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F01F3EA...@comcast.net...

> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > "Maxwell Smart" <Age...@control.com> wrote in message
> > news:4N2Ma.174430$eJ2.10772@fed1read07...
> >
> >>
> >>As for the Mac v. PC; is it your contention that opinions are not allowed?
> > FYI if you work
> >>in a field that deals with both formats and the problems therein, it makes
> > one hell of a
> >>difference. I'll make it easier. Cruise the software section and see what
> > it's like. Hint:
> >>does beta v. VHS ring a bell?
>
> Yeah, the one that sucked won, due to "smart" people.

no argument there. broadcasting use(d?) beta forever

> >
> >
> > True for desktop apps but Mac's are rapidly becoming the UNIX workstation of
> > choice
> > for those that are still using them. A Mac running OS X can't beat a full
> > blown UNIX server,
> > of course, but X windows applications are a thing of beauty on them.
> > As to how this relates to cars, beats me.
>
> Macs are gaining nicely in the creative arts area, particularly
> now that the 64bit G5 is in the works with a new operating system
> that is also 64bit... and like a 64 bit unix OS can run
> 32 bit apps nicely. As for what it has to do with cars,
> wait until Microsoft enters that market and all of a sudden
> your vehicle comes to a dead stop and the navigation display
> does the notorious Blue Screen Of Death.

Actually working in that field I have to disagree. While there are die hard Mac-o-philes,
the world is a Microsoft PC venue. I don't make any claims about the pros or cons; that's
just the way it is. After 2 years of dealing with 99% PC files, the Mac went and I
converted over to Win. Like the reference to beta v. vhs above; it's just the way it is.
Besides, show me a Mac that will run Topo USA....

Daniel J. Stern

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Dick Clark wrote:

> > >>does beta v. VHS ring a bell?
> >
> > Yeah, the one that sucked won, due to "smart" people.
>
> no argument there. broadcasting use(d?) beta forever

Broadcasting uses BetaCAM. The consumer system that died was BetaMAX. The
cassettes are the same size and shape, but that is the only similarity;
they are NOT the same.

DS

Jeff Strickland

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Jul 1, 2003, 6:37:49 PM7/1/03

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He was referring to me ...

I forgot my smilie too.

"Robbie and Laura Reynolds" <rob...@kcnet.com> wrote in message

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Jeff Strickland

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Jul 1, 2003, 6:39:46 PM7/1/03

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"Dave Brower" <daveb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vg1m7j6...@corp.supernews.com...
> >

> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message

> > news:Zq2Ma.11930$U02.85...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > Ford , Dodge, Rover , Triumph ?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Those are verbs? Triumph, maybe ...
> >
> > Let's go <insert your favorite ride here>ing. Let's go Truimphing? Let's
> go
> > Fording? Dodging? Nope, only "let's go Jeeping." makes any sense as a
> verb.
> >
> >
>

> You've never done any *fording* with your Jeep?
> You MUST be a newbie.
>

I beg your pardon, my Jeep's favorite thing is fording, but we call it
swimming out here. And, let's see that damn smilie thing so we know you are
bieng sarcastic. Sheesh.

Jeff Strickland

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Jul 1, 2003, 6:45:54 PM7/1/03

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Jeeping is a verb. Jeeper is a noun.

Jeepers drive a Jeep during activity known as Jeeping. Jeeping can take a
Jeeper in a Jeep many places, most of them unacceptable to Lloyd.

With a little luck roving around, we can find streams to ford and boulders
to dodge. Sometimes we can find Fords to dodge, and I once forded a Dodge
all whild Jeeping in my Jeep with other Jeepers. Jeepers, it was fun!

Jeff Strickland

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"Daniel J. Stern" <das...@engin.umich> wrote in message
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At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express for
news and mail? And, is it free?

Jeff Strickland

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Jul 1, 2003, 6:55:13 PM7/1/03

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"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message

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> I didn't think anyone pronounced SAAB as sob.

I dind't think it needed defining. I thought everybody said sob (Saab).

> I don't think truncating Rolls Royce counts :-)
>

This is a family group, I don't think we should say truncate here, should
we?

Dick Clark

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Jul 1, 2003, 7:26:30 PM7/1/03

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"Daniel J. Stern" <das...@engin.umich> wrote in message
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well imagine that! after hosting American Bandstand for 123 years, I still manage to learn
new things!

C Roth

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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:50:11 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express for
> news and mail? And, is it free?

Assuming we're talking about Windows . . .

'The Bat!' is the best email program. It's cheap.
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/

'Forte Agent' has a free version, and the commercial version is cheap too.
http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

Bill Putney

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Jul 1, 2003, 8:02:09 PM7/1/03

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Daniel J Stern wrote:
>
> ...Didn't you know Moses drove British cars? He descended the mountain in his
> triumph...?
>
> DS

Man - that Moses got around. I heard that Popeye was going to beat him
up because he'd heard that Moses had come to mount Olive.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

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Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
> ...Triumph is also a noun...

And as has been stated, a verb - as in "Bush Triumphed over Gore in
2000". (Sorry, Lloyd - I'm just funnin' ya - couldn't resist). 8^)

Bill Putney

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Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio
commercials with the British announcer? I guess the Brits normally
pronounce it "jagyouaw" as opposed to the American "jagwar". The former
sounds so pretentious (but the American pronunciation is probably
bastardized).

Bill Putney

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Jul 1, 2003, 8:28:48 PM7/1/03

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Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
> In article <vg1bire...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >How many car brands can you think of that are also a verb?
> >
> Rolls? SAAB (pronounced "sob")? Ford. Dodge.

And who can forget that old song "Subaru down Broadway"!? 8^)

Dick Clark

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"Bill Putney" <pe...@kinez.net> wrote in message news:3F02250F...@kinez.net...
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:

>
> Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio
> commercials with the British announcer? I guess the Brits normally
> pronounce it "jagyouaw" as opposed to the American "jagwar". The former
> sounds so pretentious (but the American pronunciation is probably
> bastardized).
>

oh, like "rodeo" which is how all of us normal people pronounce it unless you live in
Hollyweird or Beverly Thrills then it's Roe Day' Oh

Thomas Waldron

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Jul 1, 2003, 8:53:45 PM7/1/03

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Yes, Betacam SP (metal) is still the broadcast standard, although moves
have been made to DigiBeta and HDTV. However, the older oxide Betacam
still has a place in the tiny markets along with 3/4". Betamax was
always a consumer format and quite different from Betacam.

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You can _say_ it, just don't show pics of it.

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> This is a family group, I don't think we should say truncate here, should
> we?

--

DTJ

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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:49:58 GMT, Lon Stowell
<lon.s...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> "Maxwell Smart" <Age...@control.com> wrote in message
>> news:4N2Ma.174430$eJ2.10772@fed1read07...
>>
>>>
>>>As for the Mac v. PC; is it your contention that opinions are not allowed?
>> FYI if you work
>>>in a field that deals with both formats and the problems therein, it makes
>> one hell of a
>>>difference. I'll make it easier. Cruise the software section and see what
>> it's like. Hint:
>>>does beta v. VHS ring a bell?
>
> Yeah, the one that sucked won, due to "smart" people.

No, due to poor marketing by greedy bastards who ran the companies.

Beta was marketed by Sony, and only by Sony, so that they could make
more money.

Only people are smart enough to know that they can save money by
buying products that are sold by competing companies, so they said FY
to Sony.

Same thing happened to circuit (we suck) city when they tried to do
the same thing to DVD. Nice multi-million dollar loss for the
assholes.

Mac would be gone by now if it weren't for morons buying that
overpriced piece of shit, and for Microsoft coming to their aid. We
need to let it DIE. It sucks. Nobody intelligent is going to pay 3
times as much for a system that does the same thing as a PC.

And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
us...

Dave Milne

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:42:09 AM7/2/03

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I think someone (Earle ?) convinced me that the American pronounciation was
more correct actualy. English people tend not to pronounce their 'R's at the
end of a sentence. I remember being baffled as a kid where I read an English
book that thought that "door" and "saw" rhymed !?!

I pronounce it jag-u-war which may similarly annoy :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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: "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:

: Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio

Will Honea

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Jul 2, 2003, 3:37:54 AM7/2/03

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:50:11 UTC "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Damn, even Mozilla fits that description - and I don't like it a whole
lot better.

--
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Ted Mittelstaedt

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"DTJ" <d...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
> piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
> can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
> us...

Believe me, a Mac running OS X is far better UNIX workstation than
a Sparc 5 running Solaris. As to the consumer desktop apps, well you
want to run toy programs, of course a toy OS and a toy PC are going to
run those better. Do you do your grocery shopping and kid carpooling
in a Ferrari?

Ted

Nathan Nagel

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Jul 2, 2003, 6:28:43 AM7/2/03

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I sure would, if I had a kid or a Ferrari.

nate

Dori Schmetterling

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Jul 2, 2003, 8:01:37 AM7/2/03

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Looked at the Bat site. Of the features I need, it seems Outlook Express
can do much the same. The biggest issue seems to me to be security, and
isn't that taken care of by regular Norton AV updates?

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Jul 2, 2003, 10:03:37 AM7/2/03

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:01:37 +0100, "Dori Schmetterling"
<n...@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

>Looked at the Bat site. Of the features I need, it seems Outlook Express
>can do much the same. The biggest issue seems to me to be security, and
>isn't that taken care of by regular Norton AV updates?

No.

I like Microsoft mostly. However, there are major issues with
security holes. If you do not patch those holes, it is possible for
people to attack your system. Not every attack is a virus or trojan
horse.

DTJ

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Jul 2, 2003, 10:03:49 AM7/2/03

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:50:11 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Daniel J. Stern" <das...@engin.umich> wrote in message
>news:Pine.SOL.4.44.03070...@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Geoff wrote:
>> Outbreak Express? For news, let alone for mail?
>

>At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express for
>news and mail? And, is it free?
>

One is not a moron for not knowing something, that is called
ignorance. We are all ignorant of quite a bit, until we learn it. As
they say, ignorance is bliss - but that phrase is quite misused,
seeming to imply stupidity instead of simple lack of knowledge of a
particular area of study....

But I digress.

Agent is awesome, Free Agent is free but less awesome. XNews is
allegedly awesome, but I haven't used it. I heard it was free.
Netslut comes with a news reader that is superior to outhouse, so
probably does Mozilla and Opera. I believe there are at least two
other products I have seen comments on in the last couple days.

Try Googling for "free news reader". I did and got hits on Agent from
Forte, and a number of other products I never heard of.

DTJ

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Jul 2, 2003, 10:03:52 AM7/2/03

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But you miss the real point, and confirm that when you say "running OS
X". The hardware is not superior to anything, and in fact is far over
priced. Although not as bad as anything Sun and some others ship.

A PC can do anything any other system can do. In fact, right now PCs,
Macs and other systems across the world are being used to search for
intelligent life outside our solar system. The application is what
does the work, and can be written for any platform. Hell, even minis
and main frames now have simulated GUIs.

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Jul 2, 2003, 1:15:29 PM7/2/03

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In article <vg441sl...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Jeff Strickland" <cr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Jeeping is a verb.

No, at best it would be a participle requiring a verb (such as "helping"
requires a verb like "was" -- "he was helping"). But it's not that. First,
Jeep is not a real word, but a made-up one, a noun. Secondly, you cannot
simply declare a noun to be a verb (unless you're Humpty-Dumpty).

If you think you can, then is Chevroleting a verb? Lincolning?

> Jeeper is a noun.
>
>Jeepers drive a Jeep during activity known as Jeeping. Jeeping can take a
>Jeeper in a Jeep many places, most of them unacceptable to Lloyd.

Ever hear of a thing called a dictionary?

>
>With a little luck roving around, we can find streams to ford and boulders
>to dodge. Sometimes we can find Fords to dodge, and I once forded a Dodge

C.R. Krieger

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Jul 2, 2003, 1:45:54 PM7/2/03

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Bill Putney <pe...@kinez.net> wrote in message news:<3F02250F...@kinez.net>...
>

> Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio
> commercials with the British announcer? I guess the Brits normally
> pronounce it "jagyouaw" as opposed to the American "jagwar". The former
> sounds so pretentious (but the American pronunciation is probably
> bastardized).

Well, we had this discussion over in alt.autos.jaguar. I think the
final word came from one of the guys who *makes* them and pronounces
it 'jag-you-are': "That's what we call them here ..."
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; got one)

Thomas Waldron

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Jul 2, 2003, 1:51:42 PM7/2/03

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Gee, Lloyd. I thought all words were 'made-up'. I'm going to have to
look at the Chart of Elements again and see which element is 'Words'.

Lloyd Parker wrote:
First, Jeep is not a real word, but a made-up one, a noun.

--

Dave Milne

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Jul 2, 2003, 1:57:41 PM7/2/03

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Except isn't it Horsch ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Dori Schmetterling" <n...@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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: Horch = listen! as in horchen.

: >
: >
:
:

Daniel J. Stern

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Jul 2, 2003, 1:51:04 PM7/2/03

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Dori Schmetterling snivelled:

> BTW, we don't have "British" accents in Britain!

Certainly you do, when referred to collectively. Compare to the other
collective referent I employed in the same paragraph, "North American
accents".

Don't be such a git.

DS

Nathan W. Collier

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:14:45 PM7/2/03

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"Lloyd Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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> Rover is a noun (rove would be a verb). Triumph is also a noun. Jeep is
not
> a verb either.

only to a poser like you that doesnt know two things about jeeping to begin
with. if youre going to stop cramming gerbils up your ass long enough to
post a response, at least know what youre talking about. i hope you go
rabid after one of those lil' critters shreds your rectum. feltcher.

--
Nathan W. Collier
'03 Jeep Rubicon
Jeep and let Jeep

http://7SlotGrille.com

Nathan W. Collier

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:16:17 PM7/2/03

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"Lloyd Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message

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> Jeep is not a real word, but a made-up one

BUWHAHAHA! what word is _not_ "made up"? do tell me what "natural" words
exist.

stool.

Nathan W. Collier

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:16:56 PM7/2/03

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"Lloyd Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message

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> Rolls? SAAB (pronounced "sob")? Ford. Dodge.

lloyd. feltcher. back-street boys.....

Nathan W. Collier

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:20:18 PM7/2/03

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"Omphalos" <omph...@xmsg.com> wrote in message
news:DmMLa.167233$cm4.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase:

TRANSLATION --> "i suffer from jeep-envy".

Lloyd Parker

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:07:59 PM7/2/03

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In article <SEEMa.17858$sh4.1...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>,

"Jonny Hodgson" <jp_ho...@eRnEgMiOnVeEer.com> wrote:
>Dori Schmetterling wrote:
>
>> BTW, we don't have "British" accents in Britain! We certainly have
>> many varieties of accent, but not anything known as "British", not
>> even collectively...
>>
>> There are English accents, Welsh and Scottish accents and even Irish
>> accents in the UK, never mind Estuary (a new term), Scouse...
>
>Not to mention Manc, Brummie, Geordie (try looking up the Windaz Too
>Thoosand email joke for the last) and many others... some of which can
>be almost incomprehensible to each other.
>
>Back to the Jag-yew-ar thing, it's not the only word in which we
>pronounce the U that way - 'music' (myew-zik / myoo-zik) and 'stupid'
>spring to mind immediately.
>
>And yeah, I agree - the O in 'forest' is closest to 'hot' (no, not
>'haat' or 'fawrest').

Daimler (the make) is "dimler" in Britain, not "dime-ler" (long-i), isn't it?

Dave Milne

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:25:03 PM7/2/03

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Of course we have British accents in Britain. The fact we have a distinct
accent for every major city is irrelevent.
Dave Milne, Scotland

'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Daniel J. Stern" <das...@engin.umich> wrote in message
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: Dori Schmetterling snivelled:

:

Ernest Borgnine

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:37:19 PM7/2/03

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"Nathan W. Collier" <ab...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Lloyd Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bds7a2$qtn$2...@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> > Rover is a noun (rove would be a verb). Triumph is also a noun. Jeep is
> not
> > a verb either.
>
> only to a poser like you that doesnt know two things about jeeping to begin
> with. if youre going to stop cramming gerbils up your ass long enough to
> post a response, at least know what youre talking about. i hope you go
> rabid after one of those lil' critters shreds your rectum. feltcher.

Ouch
A "Gere-ing" he would go!

Lon Stowell

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:53:53 PM7/2/03

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Dori Schmetterling wrote:
> Looked at the Bat site. Of the features I need, it seems Outlook Express
> can do much the same. The biggest issue seems to me to be security, and
> isn't that taken care of by regular Norton AV updates?

Not completely. The big issue with Outlook is that it uses
Internet Explorer to render. It is POSSIBLE [1] to plant
virus or worms in a computer using media imbeds and attachments
with the outlook client. It is also possible to grab the user's
address book from within outlook, so Norton, etc. can't stop
this.

[1] Most of this can be stopped by common sense, namely don't
allow Active X from anything but trusted sites, and never
directly open an attachment.

And although it is possible to hit a computer using mp3
files, don't know of any non-lab incidents.

Lon Stowell

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:54:51 PM7/2/03

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Will Honea wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:50:11 UTC "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Daniel J. Stern" <das...@engin.umich> wrote in message

>>news:Pine.SOL.4.44.03070...@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>>
>>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Geoff wrote:
>>>
>>>

>>>>>Nice, but how does this justify all the crap attached to yer msg?
>>>>
>>>>It looks like OE performed this 'favor' for me when I cut-n-pasted the
>>>>definition of intransitive from the website.

>>>
>>>Outbreak Express? For news, let alone for mail?
>>>

>>>Shame, Geoff. I expected better/smarter from you.

>>>
>>
>>
>>At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express for
>>news and mail? And, is it free?
>
>

> Damn, even Mozilla fits that description - and I don't like it a whole
> lot better.

A lot more secure, but as flakey as a cracked out crank addict
would be my description.

Dave Milne

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Jul 2, 2003, 2:59:25 PM7/2/03

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Day-mler.

--

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Lloyd Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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:
: Daimler (the make) is "dimler" in Britain, not "dime-ler" (long-i), isn't
it?

Lon Stowell

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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> "DTJ" <d...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:0gi4gv038pq5v7e7i...@4ax.com...
>
>>And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
>>piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
>>can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
>>us...
>
>
> Believe me, a Mac running OS X is far better UNIX workstation than
> a Sparc 5 running Solaris. As to the consumer desktop apps, well you
> want to run toy programs, of course a toy OS and a toy PC are going to
> run those better. Do you do your grocery shopping and kid carpooling
> in a Ferrari?

This would seem like a good comparison if it weren't so whacked
and as bad as comparing a twin-3Gig Supermicro to a 386
attempting to run Win2000. Mac OSx won't run on the older
Apple hardware, and a Sparc 5 is a museum piece. Try a
Blade series, but it IS worth noting that you still CAN
run Solaris on museum grade hardware, something few other
operating systems can do. Try Win2000 on an Amstrad PPC640.