Rick
The camera won't jump to 1/250, that's just the maximum shutter speed you
can use with your flash. Also, if the sun is behind your subjects, and you
expose for the sun, or even the sky near the sun, your subjects will be full
on silhouettes. Still, balanced fill flash will balance the lighting on
your subjects with their surroundings, i.e., the sunset background. It's
highly unlikely that 1/250th will be the shutter speed chosen, but I suppose
it could be. I don't use an FM3A, and I don't know what kind of electronics
it has, but Nikon flashes are second to none--just trust them, and learn
from your experiences, 'cause they won't always be right on, but 99% of the
time they will. When I shoot a sunset such as you describe I expose for the
sky that looks middle toned, or the sky that I want to be middle toned, and
I leave my camera on full manual and the flash on TTL fill flash, and let it
do the work. The big problem here is that the ground stretching off behind
your subjects won't be lit by the flash, and maybe not even the sunset, if
there's a slight hill or line of trees in the distance, so it will be black.
You have to position your subjects or yourself to minimize this effect,
otherwise they look like they are standing waist deep in an ink well.
A camera's TTL system is designed to 'fill in' shadows with the sun
over your shoulder (not in your face.)
You would probably need to go 'Manual' for the type of sunset shot you
described.
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chemli...@aol.com (Bob C) wrote in message news:<da49da82.03050...@posting.google.com>...
SNIP
Hummmm......Gives me an idea....Canon looks at your eyeball to determine
what to focus on, right? - Well, why don't they look at the apeture of your
eye (retina) to tell how bright the subject you're trying to shoot is, and
set the camera accordingly?
Becuase then all the acid-tripping artists (the only people who could
stand to use Canon equipment as far as I could see) would get
overexposed frames all the time.
B>
Ha! - LMAO......Well, you'd have to calibrate it, of course......But it
would certainly keep the photographers clean.......
> Ha! - LMAO......Well, you'd have to calibrate it, of course......But it
> would certainly keep the photographers clean.......
Consistently clean, or consistently tripping, perhaps?
B>
> Hummmm......Gives me an idea....Canon looks at your eyeball to determine
> what to focus on, right? - Well, why don't they look at the apeture of your
> eye (retina) to tell how bright the subject you're trying to shoot is, and
> set the camera accordingly?
Retina? You might want to consult an eyeball diagram at this point William!
Pat
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> On 6/5/03 7:48 am, "William Graham" <we...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> > Hummmm......Gives me an idea....Canon looks at your eyeball to determine
> > what to focus on, right? - Well, why don't they look at the apeture of your
> > eye (retina) to tell how bright the subject you're trying to shoot is, and
> > set the camera accordingly?
>
> Retina? You might want to consult an eyeball diagram at this point William!
Well that black thing you see through the aperture (And which would be
the easiest thing for a sensor to pick up the edge of) is retina :)
mostly.
B>
>> Retina? You might want to consult an eyeball diagram at this point William!
>
> Well that black thing you see through the aperture (And which would be
> the easiest thing for a sensor to pick up the edge of) is retina :)
> mostly.
That's true. Now I suppose William will claim that is what he meant :)
> On 6/5/03 12:34 pm, "Bruce Murphy" <pack...@rattus.net> wrote:
>
> >> Retina? You might want to consult an eyeball diagram at this point William!
> >
> > Well that black thing you see through the aperture (And which would be
> > the easiest thing for a sensor to pick up the edge of) is retina :)
> > mostly.
>
> That's true. Now I suppose William will claim that is what he meant :)
Naturally. This is USENET after all.
B>
It is quite likely that you are correct. A flash is often used in low-light
situations. And you don't want the shutter to stay open for a couple seconds
just because the camera believes that you might want a fill-in flash.
I (almost) never use my FE2 in aperture priority mode, so I'm not sure.
Compared to the FE2, the FM3A does have an extra button to reduce the
amount of fill-in flash. It would be an interesting trick if that would
also change the behavior of the aperture priority mode.
Philip Homburg
Actually, the aperture in the camera is like the _iris_ of a human eye,
correct?
The retina is inside of your eye.
That's what Bruce was saying actually ...
>That's what Bruce was saying actually ...
Go easy on him, Pat. His email addy is from an American University, so
there was never a chance that he would know what he was talking about.
;-)
Bob,
I've used the FM3A in the fill flash mode numerous times and avoid the
aperture priority setting. It's difficult enough to get a large eperture in
bright sunlight for outdoor portraiture and so I set my camera for 1/250th
anyway. That's one of the benefits of a camera with a higher sync speed. I
use a neutral
density filter (3 stops) with 100 speed film to get the desired larger
aperture, around f4 or so. Exposing for the brightly lit areas (or bright
part of the face), you can then press a button the camera body that will use
TTL flash on a dedicated system (I use an SB-24) and reduce the flash
exposure by one stop. That little button really simplifies fill flash
outdoors.
-Jim
Oh....Right.....I meant Iris, (I think) - Retina is the film plane, right?
> Oh....Right.....I meant Iris, (I think) - Retina is the film plane, right?
Yes, the retina is the film plane. I've never thought of it like that
before!
you never cease to amaze me
Actually, let me ask you this...
Is your online persona an accurate reflection of your actual face-to-face
personality? If so, do you ever get your a$$ kicked?!
:) :) :)
Yeah....The rods & cones.....They also must call it the, "macular" because
they talk about macular degeneration.....Something they might be able to fix
with stem cell research.......
> Pat Chaney <p...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:BADE2A0E.26D7D%p...@nomail.com...
> > On 7/5/03 1:14 am, "William Graham" <we...@attbi.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh....Right.....I meant Iris, (I think) - Retina is the film plane,
> right?
> >
> > Yes, the retina is the film plane. I've never thought of it like that
> > before!
>
> Yeah....The rods & cones.....They also must call it the, "macular" because
> they talk about macular degeneration.....
Actually the term maculae (And hence macular) is much more general than
this and describes the degeneration more than localises it.
> Something they might be able to fix
> with stem cell research.......
Stem cell research is all very well and good but it has next to no
direct therapuetic benefits. Researchers working in this field are
quite happy to admit this, they are expecting to find some silve
bullet to grant eternal life, but the marketing goes on.
B>
Thanks for the help. I'm not sure why they make the aperature
priority reset your shutter speed, but I can work around it.
Bob