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exist the entire town is riddled with tunnels "in case of war", that there
exists a secret comcen under the Hexagon / Reading Police [Pentagon -
Hexagon ;) ], and that said tunnels go all the way through to BBC Monitoring
via Caversham BT exch and also to AWE
Some of the more outlandish rumours I have heard that whole *trains* can run
beneath the town or there are odd stations, that the London Underground
could be run to Reading [or certain dual purpose trains on southern region]
[I think this is going a bit far, although I am sure I have seen Tube
carriages on Southern Region lines] and even that Area 51 style stuff goes
on, [yes, even talk of ET visits to Reading :) ]
I can believe though that Metal Box / British Alcan / Energis bldg was a
"key building" and maybe still is, we switch the entire country's 'leccy in
the south of the town [some friends walked about there at age 13 and met
modplod with *guns* who sent them on their way!] we all know what Caversham
Park is used for and the bunker under Shire Hall is public knowledge...
There are several major BT installations here as well and Caversham Exchange
handles ccts for BBC monitoring [and presumably RSG6 when it existed?] - its
way too big for a village the size of Caversham and went electronic *before*
the central Reading business district :)
Anyone know [or is allowed to say, given that I guess some of this info must
still be classified] how much of this is true?
Alex
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there (Although I guess it's not a secret now - Do'h!)
I always thought Shire Hall was the main bunker though.
The train thing sounds a bit bizzare - I have seen tube trains in the
south - They use them on the Isle of White due to low bridges and they all
run on the external electric third rail as do most electric trains in the
South whereas the Tube trains in London use an central live rail.
As a result the IOW trains can run on the Southern tracks and have in the
past during trials and also on route after conversion to their new seaside
home on the IOW.
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Simon Meeds
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> exist the entire town is riddled with tunnels "in case of war", that there
The only tunnel I knew of was one running from the old Post Office, I assume
to the railway station for easy transfer of mail. This could be confused
with the second tube system which exists around London for transportation of
mail.
There's a huge underground bunker at Wargrave, I think, which someone wanted
to turn into a nightclub a few years ago.
I tend not to go for "conspiracy theories", but I do recognise that there is
usually (mundane) truth behind most of these stories.
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Mr R@t / Alex - J10 [2.33za]
> You should go for a nosey around the university - There's a secret bunker
> there (Although I guess it's not a secret now - Do'h!)
>
I do regularly - although said bunker has already been indexed by one of the
uk.rec.subterranea lot and is on the sub brit website.
> I always thought Shire Hall was the main bunker though.
the rumours I hear of are that underneath the civic offices there is a full
emergency service control room, with extra radio comms kit, a duplicate CCTV
monitor bay and manual phone exchanges [yes, turn handle at side of phone
type stuff - they interface with mil field telephones and also don't get
knocked out by nuclear EMP or rays from alien craft :) ]
> The train thing sounds a bit bizzare - I have seen tube trains in the
> south - They use them on the Isle of White due to low bridges and they all
> run on the external electric third rail as do most electric trains in the
> South whereas the Tube trains in London use an central live rail.
>
I'm no trainspotter [otherwise I would know this], but I'm sure *two* kinds
of underground train exist, and at least one can use normal railtrack third
rail system or has dual pickups, something like that. There is some
considerable voltage difference, I think LUL is 630V and railtrack 750V but
apparently there is a way of getting round this...
I don't think the trains go *under* the town, but maybe special ones
containing the government or whoever can be sent along the waterloo to
Reading lines...
Martin Brett
linking to brewery site - reportedly for delivery beer barrels Fobney Street
as is now
However despite living in the Fobney Street development and talking to the
builders didnt appear to be any traces left.
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Dazza
> containing the government or whoever can be sent along the waterloo to
> Reading lines...
>
> Alex
> --
Are you suggesting that in the event of a nuclear war, Reading would become
the control centre for the country?
No wonder they refuse to reclassify Reading as a city - All major cities are
targets!!!
<Insert X-Files theme tune>
Dazza
Mr R@t / Alex - J10 [2.33za]
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> > I don't think the trains go *under* the town, but maybe special ones
> > containing the government or whoever can be sent along the waterloo to
> > Reading lines...
> >
become
> the control centre for the country?
>
its not impossible, at least for the South East..... assuming the place
hasn't already been reduced to ash [see below]
> No wonder they refuse to reclassify Reading as a city - All major cities
are
> targets!!!
a friend of mine originaly hails from the USSR. Somehow he claims to have a
map of USSR targets in Nato states - Reading would have been obliterated had
the Big One been dropped... apart from the obvious two targets theres the
aformentioned leccy control centre, BBC Monitoring, Energis, Racal/Thales,
Microsoft etc...
The SpySwat
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>I've been trying to solve this one for ages - in Reading various rumours
>exist the entire town is riddled with tunnels "in case of war", that there
There are very old chalk-mines (at least I think it was chalk) under
parts of Reading - could it be these that are responsible for the
rumours? ISTR some of the mines collapsed last year causing
widespread damage to property which had been inadvertently built on
top.
>exists a secret comcen under the Hexagon / Reading Police [Pentagon -
>Hexagon ;) ], and that said tunnels go all the way through to BBC Monitoring
Interesting thoughts on the Hexagon! Hadn't heard that one. I
believe the police cells are underground.
>via Caversham BT exch and also to AWE
The AWE is certainly one weird place - it looks like it should have
been built in East Germany. :-)
>Some of the more outlandish rumours I have heard that whole *trains* can run
>beneath the town or there are odd stations, that the London Underground
>could be run to Reading [or certain dual purpose trains on southern region]
Do these (allegedly) connect to the mainline or are they a supposed
separate network? Should be _very_ easy to track down if they were
connected to the Railtrack mainline.
>[I think this is going a bit far, although I am sure I have seen Tube
>carriages on Southern Region lines] and even that Area 51 style stuff goes
>on, [yes, even talk of ET visits to Reading :) ]
I think so too.
Whatever about seeing them on SR lines, you will see them on Western
Region lines. AFAIK they get serviced/repaired/refurbished somewhere
_well_ outside of London. I've seen them stored in the sidings at
Didcot on a couple of occasions. They get loco-hauled from LUL lines
to wherever they need to go to - sorry, I forget where.
What Area 51 stuff? At Caversham? News to me.
>I can believe though that Metal Box / British Alcan / Energis bldg was a
>"key building" and maybe still is
Which one is that? I've probably seen it, but not realised.
The SpySwat
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Mr R@t / Alex - J10 [2.33za]
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> There are very old chalk-mines (at least I think it was chalk) under
> parts of Reading - could it be these that are responsible for the
> rumours?
Some of them are near where I live, and went to school.
They have been used previously for govt document stores, I believe they are
now mostly filled in due to safety concerns.
ISTR some of the mines collapsed last year causing
> widespread damage to property which had been inadvertently built on
> top.
These were IIRC the Field Road ones. this may be linked with the "brewery
tunnels" in fobney road that have been mentioned.
> >exists a secret comcen under the Hexagon / Reading Police [Pentagon -
> >Hexagon ;) ], and that said tunnels go all the way through to BBC
Monitoring
>
> Interesting thoughts on the Hexagon! Hadn't heard that one. I
> believe the police cells are underground.
they are indeed.... I guess there must be an emergency planning comms room
in Reading, I *hope* so with AWE etc on our doorstep!
> Do these (allegedly) connect to the mainline or are they a supposed
> separate network? Should be _very_ easy to track down if they were
> connected to the Railtrack mainline.
I believe they run on the 3rd rail electrified system. I'm still waiting for
any info on the feasibility of interfacing LUL trains with SR third rail
rolling stock , I'm sure this has been mentioned on a railway site...
> >"key building" and maybe still is
>
> Which one is that? I've probably seen it, but not realised.
Energis building opp forbury gardens. Still IMO a "key building", lots of
important comms go through that companys ccts [as do many of our e-mails!]
Darceee $-)
Indeed they are.....or so some of my friends who enjoy getting overly
inebriated inform me........
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both branches use National Railways tracks, with 750 volt DC
power supply - LUL stock does NOT need modification to run
on 750 volts
"Mr R@t / Alex - J10 [2.33za]" <gr...@spam-nyet.sssr.su>
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> I believe they run on the 3rd rail electrified system. I'm
Stewart
is still there after the modernisation of the station, but it was clearly
visible from the subway that used to run underneath the road, in fact when I
was younger and had my fling with trainspotting I quite often used the exit
from the station that was also in the subway. If you were on the station
side of the subway you could walk right up to the underground platform but
not actually get on to it, it was always closed off by gates. (I believe it
was just a bit further over from platform 9).
Stewart
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> I've been trying to solve this one for ages - in Reading various rumours
> exist the entire town is riddled with tunnels "in case of war", that there
> exists a secret comcen under the Hexagon / Reading Police [Pentagon -
> Hexagon ;) ], and that said tunnels go all the way through to BBC
Monitoring
> via Caversham BT exch and also to AWE
>
> Some of the more outlandish rumours I have heard that whole *trains* can
run
> beneath the town or there are odd stations, that the London Underground
> could be run to Reading [or certain dual purpose trains on southern
region]
> [I think this is going a bit far, although I am sure I have seen Tube
> carriages on Southern Region lines] and even that Area 51 style stuff goes
> on, [yes, even talk of ET visits to Reading :) ]
<snipped>
J Griffiths
boxes of heavy equipment, which took me a while to transfer from one
platform to another over the bridge.
The train then arrived on the platform we all had just left. The staff took
all our equipment in a trolley and we descended down in a lift to a
underground tunnel which passed under the track and backup onto the opposite
platform. Unknown where else this tunnel may have lead or what else may have
been down there.
John
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Jonathan Hall
have been simplified) the current on a 3rd rail train is picked up at
+750v from the 'live' rail and returned to ground via the two 'running'
rails.
Londons underground rather than use the running rails to return current
a second 'live' rail is added and rather than have that bonded to earth
it sits at -350v and the standard live rail sits at +350 volts (giving
the same potential difference across the two rails)
I dont know the full details of why 4 rail electrification is preferable
but electrolitic corrosion of the tunnel lining, safety for those on the
track or fewer stray signals could all have something to do with it.
In areas where the 3rd and 4th rail systems meet such as the District or
the Northern end of the Bakerloo, then the simple solution is to have
the 3rd rail maintained at 750v and the 4th rail bonded to earth, that
way the potential difference is maintained, but the LT stock must have
that 4th rail.
Thge only exceptions that I'm aware of to the above is Sarah Siddons the
ex-Met electric loco that can be converted to earth through the running
rails, and the Isle of Wight 1938 stock which has been perminantly
converted to 3 rail.
Jonathan
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Robert Davies
> a friend of mine originaly hails from the USSR. Somehow he claims to have
a
> map of USSR targets in Nato states - Reading would have been obliterated
had
> the Big One been dropped...
The whole area of Soviet cartography is actually pretty interesting! In the
late 50s >> 60s and even 1970s and 80s in more limited fashion, the former
USSR cartographers were getting hold of 'genuine' maps produced by the OS,
and editing publicly available OS maps with other data they had gleaned from
other sources. Very rare now, but there are still some originals floating
about of Soviet OS map versions - showing the full building outlines of
sites such as Aldermaston etc... Look exactly like the OS map they were
produced from, with the 'deleted' information removed.
It's quite strange when you first see a map of the Reading area with all the
villages and towns, rivers and other feature names translated and written in
Russian!!! They also did a _very_ good job of seamlessly incorporating the
information intelligence had gathered into these maps, which wasn;t always
very hard when they occasionally got hold of an OS map that had the
'classified' information already on it... Historically, over the last 50
years, it has been fairly commonplace to be able to find more geographical
information on a map of your country produced by an opposing (or potentially
opposing) nation!
But don't forget the OS and other mapping organisations across the world
typically add 'deliberate errors' to their maps - 'to fool the enemy'!! The
classic example is of a certain town in the north USSR which migrated 30km
around a mean point over a period of twenty years if you believed the Soviet
maps :-) Still happens today - map 'fingerprinting' - slight deliberate
errors are how the AA were recently caught out in a lawsuit actioned by the
OS for blindly copying and editing maps!!
And if you've read this far <g> you might be interested in a good book -
'How To Lie With Maps' by Mark Monmonier (Chicago University Press), Second
Edition 1996. It's a good primer on map manipulation and map reading, a good
read even if you are not incredibly cartographically minded!!
Rob
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Tom Albinson
> From: "Dazza" <darryl...@ntlworld.com>
>
> > I always thought Shire Hall was the main bunker though.
>
> the rumours I hear of are that underneath the civic offices there is a
full
> emergency service control room, with extra radio comms kit, a duplicate
CCTV
> monitor bay and manual phone exchanges [yes, turn handle at side of phone
> type stuff - they interface with mil field telephones and also don't get
> knocked out by nuclear EMP or rays from alien craft :) ]
>
That is true, well it was like that when I went round it on some open day (I
got in as my dad was a County Councillor) about 7ish years ago, they had a
big model out showing how the emergency services would cope with scenarios.
Don't press me for more details, as I can;t remember any more.
Tom
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> I've been trying to solve this one for ages - in Reading various rumours
> exist the entire town is riddled with tunnels "in case of war", and that
said tunnels go all the way through to BBC Monitoring
> via Caversham BT exch and also to AWE
>
> Some of the more outlandish rumours I have heard that whole *trains* can
run
> beneath the town or there are odd stations, that the London Underground
> could be run to Reading [or certain dual purpose trains on southern
region]
>
> Anyone know [or is allowed to say, given that I guess some of this info
must
> still be classified] how much of this is true?
>
> Alex
> --
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> attention: headers are munged to avoid spam
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>
>
It's occurred to me that a tunnel network, such as the London Underground,
isn't much good for nuclear civil defence, as if the blast wave managed to
enter at one point it would propagate through the entire system, and get
spread a much further distance than otherwise, perhaps emerging at other
points. It would certainly kill everyone inside.
ISTR they found this out the hard way in WW2.
A lot of blast doors would need to be fitted.
Stewart
"J Griffiths" <custo...@btclick.com> wrote in message
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> I recall having to change trains at Reading many years ago with quite a
few
> boxes of heavy equipment, which took me a while to transfer from one
> platform to another over the bridge.
> The train then arrived on the platform we all had just left. The staff
took
> all our equipment in a trolley and we descended down in a lift to a
> underground tunnel which passed under the track and backup onto the
opposite
> platform. Unknown where else this tunnel may have lead or what else may
have
> been down there.
>
> John
>
I think was the cause of the recent traffic disruption outside the station,
they were strengthening the tunnel
Steve Moore
ISTR that, before Reading station was rebuilt and the new footbridge added,
the subway was the main means of crossing between platforms
roger gosling
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>
> ISTR that, before Reading station was rebuilt and the new footbridge
added,
> the subway was the main means of crossing between platforms
>
getting from one platform to another.
I doubt very much all the rumours of 'secret' underground tunnels in the
area as I lived there for 7 years and as a caver never heard of any. One
suggestion I just cannot believe was underground rail lines to the nuclear
depots at Burghfield and Aldermaston!
There are quite a lot of old chalk mines not far from Reading, but a lot of
these were filled in when the M4 was built across them! There are also loads
of gravel pits in the area.
One person earlier in the thread used the excuse of having seen London
Underground rolling stock at Reading to suggest an underground rail link; I
am sure they must have come on surface lines. But I am intrigued as to how
the ex-London Underground rolling stock got to the Isle of Wight; there is
no railway bridge, so there must be a tunnel somewhere. Now that would be
worth exploring - I seem to remember a tunnel entrance near to the station
at Ryde.
Rog
Robert Davies
> That is the subway that I was referring to. It's been closed for years,
and
> I think was the cause of the recent traffic disruption outside the
station,
> they were strengthening the tunnel
That was due to some workmen cutting a cable?!!! Which took a week of road
closure to resolve...
The SpySwat
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>>
>> "J Griffiths" <custo...@btclick.com> wrote in message
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>> > all our equipment in a trolley and we descended down in a lift to a
>> > underground tunnel which passed under the track and backup onto the
[...]
>> That is the subway that I was referring to. It's been closed for years,
>and
>> I think was the cause of the recent traffic disruption outside the
>station,
>> they were strengthening the tunnel
>
>ISTR that, before Reading station was rebuilt and the new footbridge added,
>the subway was the main means of crossing between platforms
I take it that Reading Station was radically rebuilt at some point
then? We're definitely not talking about the _current_ subway that
runs under the tracks between the platforms?
The current subway is located just after the waiting room on platform
4 and it looks like it's been there for a very long time - though
obviously there are access points on the other platforms too, I just
don't remember any handy reference points for them!
I have to say I've never bothered to take any notice of what's down
there or where it leads - any time I have used it I've been in a mad
rush to catch a train. :-)
The SpySwat
<rgbr...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>I doubt very much all the rumours of 'secret' underground tunnels in the
>area as I lived there for 7 years and as a caver never heard of any. One
>suggestion I just cannot believe was underground rail lines to the nuclear
>depots at Burghfield and Aldermaston!
I doubt that too... I've seen the nuke convoys on the A34 - a bit
pointless if there's a tunnel they could use... unless that's what
they _want_ us to think... ;-)
[snip.....]
>But I am intrigued as to how
>the ex-London Underground rolling stock got to the Isle of Wight; there is
>no railway bridge, so there must be a tunnel somewhere. Now that would be
>worth exploring - I seem to remember a tunnel entrance near to the station
>at Ryde.
By boat perhaps?
The SpySwat
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> "Steve Moore" <st...@NOSPAMskmoore.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I doubt very much all the rumours of 'secret' underground tunnels in the
> area as I lived there for 7 years and as a caver never heard of any. One
> suggestion I just cannot believe was underground rail lines to the nuclear
> depots at Burghfield and Aldermaston!
I'd always suspected these were urban legends, which had grown due to the
secrecy that surrounds AWE - probably just as well, or there would be even
*more* people's gardens caving in I'd guess!
I wonder still about foot access to certain locations, via deep devel
tunnels for cable and fibre - I'm sure there's a fair few of these about the
town [if only due to the sheer scale of the telecoms infrastructure in
Reading]
> One person earlier in the thread used the excuse of having seen London
> Underground rolling stock at Reading to suggest an underground rail link;
I
> am sure they must have come on surface lines.
It was actually the above I was more curious about - whether the LUL stock
*could* run on our surface lines - I get the impression now much of it
*can*, certainly the carriages - in a state of emergency requiring the
evacuation of large numbers of key people from London [such as whitehall,
BBC and others], I would have thought that LUL and Railtrack would pool
their resources.
John M Chapman
<rgbr...@cableinet.co.uk> writes
>>
>> ISTR that, before Reading station was rebuilt and the new footbridge
>added,
>> the subway was the main means of crossing between platforms
It still is for many - however a few years ago it was divided into two
by a wall down the middle to provide one tunnel for the Post Office and
a parallel one for passengers.
>
>I doubt very much all the rumours of 'secret' underground tunnels in the
>area as I lived there for 7 years and as a caver never heard of any. One
>suggestion I just cannot believe was underground rail lines to the nuclear
>depots at Burghfield and Aldermaston!
They didn't need to go underground - there was a rail link from the
Reading to Basingstoke line to ROF Burghfield - you can still see the
line of track
>
>There are quite a lot of old chalk mines not far from Reading, but a lot of
>these were filled in when the M4 was built across them! There are also loads
>of gravel pits in the area.
The Reading area is littered with holes in the chalk, mostly due to
natural erosion. Occasionally you get what is known as Swallow hole
which reaches up to the surface, which has then filled with earth and
someone has built over the top - just get a heavy period of rain, the
soil washes out and the house suffers very badly from ground movement.
Most of the ones found recently have been capped with concrete and then
grassed over to form what is euphemistically called an amenity area for
the estate.
>
>One person earlier in the thread used the excuse of having seen London
>Underground rolling stock at Reading to suggest an underground rail link; I
>am sure they must have come on surface lines.
LUL trains are frequent visitors to Reading loco hauled in transit with
barrier cars between London and the manufacturers.
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John M Chapman
<use...@spyswat.demon.coTHIS.uk> writes
>
>I take it that Reading Station was radically rebuilt at some point
>then? We're definitely not talking about the _current_ subway that
>runs under the tracks between the platforms?
Yes when the old Brunel station was rebuilt. The original station had up
and down on the same side with crossovers (A bit like Gloucester now)
>
>The current subway is located just after the waiting room on platform
>4 and it looks like it's been there for a very long time - though
>obviously there are access points on the other platforms too, I just
>don't remember any handy reference points for them!
>
>I have to say I've never bothered to take any notice of what's down
>there or where it leads
At the south end it leads under Station Hill to an exit on the south
side of the road. There is also an exit on the north side to get to the
taxi rank. There used to be a tunnel going west under Western Tower to
the old bus station. There are links to platforms 4, 5-8, and 9. At the
north end there was a booking office and a footpath to Reading Bridge
going east and a ramp down to Caversham Road going west but it is now
closed off to passengers beyond platform 9. I also believe the gates to
the southern Exit are also closed off now they have those damned
barriers.
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Andrew P Smith
Alex - J10 [2.33za] <gr...@spam-nyet.sssr.su> writes
>
>> One person earlier in the thread used the excuse of having seen London
>> Underground rolling stock at Reading to suggest an underground rail link;
>I
>> am sure they must have come on surface lines.
>
run on NR lines if the power supply is there or it can be shunted by a
diesel or electric loco.
>It was actually the above I was more curious about - whether the LUL stock
>*could* run on our surface lines - I get the impression now much of it
>*can*, certainly the carriages - in a state of emergency requiring the
>evacuation of large numbers of key people from London [such as whitehall,
>BBC and others], I would have thought that LUL and Railtrack would pool
>their resources.
>
>Alex
Evacuation to >where< exactly??
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Alex - J10 [2.33za] <gr...@spam-nyet.sssr.su> writes
>we switch the entire country's 'leccy in
>the south of the town [some friends walked about there at age 13 and met
>modplod with *guns* who sent them on their way!]
Is that the place up Shepherds House Hill (A4) ?
Dazza
stock
> >*could* run on our surface lines - I get the impression now much of it
> >*can*, certainly the carriages - in a state of emergency requiring the
> >evacuation of large numbers of key people from London [such as whitehall,
> >BBC and others], I would have thought that LUL and Railtrack would pool
> >their resources.
> >
> >Alex
I'm sure LUL have some dual electric/battery powered vehicles for use when
repairing the rails
However it would not be impossible to create a rail vehicle that could run
on central powered rails and diesel thereby enabling it to whiz though the
tube and out to anywhere on the main rail network - Whether such a vehicle
exists or not is pure speculation.
Dazza
Dazza
> There used to be a platform underneath Reading Station, I don't know if it
> is still there after the modernisation of the station, but it was clearly
> visible from the subway that used to run underneath the road, in fact when
I
> was younger and had my fling with trainspotting I quite often used the
exit
> from the station that was also in the subway. If you were on the station
> side of the subway you could walk right up to the underground platform but
> not actually get on to it, it was always closed off by gates. (I believe
it
> was just a bit further over from platform 9).
>
> Stewart
If there is/was an underground platform then I would have thought any
inderground tunnel would have an exit point somwehere... the only place I
can think of would be the siding that goes from the southern line under the
main lines and out into Kings Meadow - Maybe if there was a secret entrance
in the tunnel enabling trains to run under the main line... However they
would not reach the station as there is a road running under the main line
before the station!
All this is nonsense!
Dazza
Jim Dimmock
"Simon Meeds" <si...@insales1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There's a huge underground bunker at Wargrave, I think, which someone wanted
> to turn into a nightclub a few years ago.
>
There's definitely a bunker at Warren Row, just before the corner that
takes you to Knowl Hill.
milltech
have
> a
> > map of USSR targets in Nato states - Reading would have been obliterated
> had
> > the Big One been dropped...
There's still time.......................
>
>
Matt Horn
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> I've been trying to solve this one for ages - in Reading various rumours
> exists a secret comcen under the Hexagon / Reading Police [Pentagon -
Monitoring
> via Caversham BT exch and also to AWE
<snip>
there is a much older tunnel that I know of, it runs from around the deli
bap bar to the abbey - it has been sealed up and no one is allowed to enter
because they beleive it may contain the plague virus.
HTH
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Andy Foster
><snip>
>
>there is a much older tunnel that I know of, it runs from around the deli
>bap bar to the abbey - it has been sealed up and no one is allowed to enter
>because they beleive it may contain the plague virus.
>
>HTH
>--
>Matt
Ahh! the old "secret tunnel from the pub/church to the castle/abbey/manor so
the monks/soldiers could escape in case of seige/attack/needing a drink"
story.
Could you tell us the source of this information.....I'm sure that
eventually one of these stories will have some foundation.
AndyF
Matt Horn
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without naming names, it came directly from a friend who used to work at the
Deli Bap Bar.
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Nick Leverton
Matt Horn <mjhmjh2@something@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>"Andy Foster" <an...@nospam.xtek.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:9lbdbr$2fm$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> eventually one of these stories will have some foundation.
>
>without naming names, it came directly from a friend who used to work at the
>Deli Bap Bar.
And they showed you their buboes as confirmation, I expect ?
Nick
Richard
> > >there is a much older tunnel that I know of, it runs from around the
deli
> > >bap bar to the abbey - it has been sealed up and no one is allowed to
> enter
> > >because they beleive it may contain the plague virus.
> >
castle/abbey/manor
> so
> > the monks/soldiers could escape in case of seige/attack/needing a drink"
> > story.
> >
> > Could you tell us the source of this information.....I'm sure that
> > eventually one of these stories will have some foundation.
>
> without naming names, it came directly from a friend who used to work at
the
> Deli Bap Bar.
>
I don't know where this Bap Bar place is, but is it in/near West St.? I used
to work with a guy who spent his childhood in what was "The Mitre" (end of
West St., opposite Greyfriars Church). This would have been late 30's or
during WWII. He confirmed that there was a short bit of tunnel leading off
from the cellars but it was filled in after a few feet. How he knew it was a
tunnel and not just a link to another cellar I don't know :-)
If someone is REALLY interested I can supply contact details for him (he was
still alive 4 months ago or so).
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Matt Horn
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I have no idea what a buboes is or are..
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Matt Horn
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>
> > > >there is a much older tunnel that I know of, it runs from around the
> deli
> > > >bap bar to the abbey - it has been sealed up and no one is allowed to
> > enter
> > > >because they beleive it may contain the plague virus.
> > >
> > > Ahh! the old "secret tunnel from the pub/church to the
> castle/abbey/manor
> > so
> > > the monks/soldiers could escape in case of seige/attack/needing a
drink"
> > > story.
> > >
> > > Could you tell us the source of this information.....I'm sure that
> > > eventually one of these stories will have some foundation.
> >
> > without naming names, it came directly from a friend who used to work at
> the
> > Deli Bap Bar.
> >
>
> I don't know where this Bap Bar place is, but is it in/near West St.?
it's next to the horne pub
>I used
> to work with a guy who spent his childhood in what was "The Mitre" (end of
> West St., opposite Greyfriars Church). This would have been late 30's or
> during WWII. He confirmed that there was a short bit of tunnel leading off
> from the cellars but it was filled in after a few feet. How he knew it was
a
> tunnel and not just a link to another cellar I don't know :-)
it' supposedly sealed because they think the plague is down there.
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Matt
Richard
> > > Deli Bap Bar.
> > >
> >
> > I don't know where this Bap Bar place is, but is it in/near West St.?
>
> it's next to the horne pub
>
>
Nope, still don't know where that is. There's a pub called The Horn at the
bottom of Castle St./St. Mary's Butts (unless it has a new trendy name). Is
that the one?
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Nick Leverton
Matt Horn <mjhmjh2@something@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>"Nick Leverton" <ni...@leverton.org> wrote in message
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>>
>
>I have no idea what a buboes is or are..
No ... I can tell :-)
Nick
Martin Trump
>I have no idea what a buboes is or are..
Nasty great festering sores, hence bubonic plague, different from
pneumonic plague.
Regards.
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mike.mallett
"Mr R@t / Alex - J10 [2.33za]" <gr...@spam-nyet.sssr.su> wrote in message
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> I've been trying to solve this one for ages - in Reading various rumours
> exist the entire town is riddled with tunnels "in case of war", that there
> exists a secret comcen under the Hexagon / Reading Police [Pentagon -
> Hexagon ;) ], and that said tunnels go all the way through to BBC
Monitoring
> via Caversham BT exch and also to AWE
>
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Peter Connolly
Surely not? After all these years?
Can anyone give me some sort of idea as to how long something like
bubonic plague might survive underground? I've heard a few of these
stories, but I can't believe that after 500~ years, a virus/bacteria
might still be contagious.....
Ta
Pete
Matt Horn
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IIRC technically there is no life span on plague, it can lay dormant pretty
much forever
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Matt Horn
horne / horn - who knows - its on the corner, near that checker plate
church, purple turle, and along from the police station, next to a bank,
near the market, near pavlovs dog - got it?
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Gunslinger
in the area between the present station and Vastern Road - where TGIs,
Courts and the PO sorting office are now. There was a ramp down from the
high level tracks (still partly in place now), an underpass (in a tunnel)
under the main lines connecting this to the Wokingham line, and a level
crossing across Vastern Road. There were presumably goods platforms on the
tracks closest to the main station, which may well have been connected to
the 'service' subway between the platforms (which also still exists).
I don't think there was anything particularly sinister about these, nor is
it particularly credible to imagine a vast network of secret tunnels across
and under central Berkshire - most of this would be beneath the water table
and incredibly difficult and expensive to maintain for 'just in case' use.
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Andrew Kurowski
> It was actually the above I was more curious about - whether the LUL stock
> *could* run on our surface lines - I get the impression now much of it
> *can*, certainly the carriages - in a state of emergency requiring the
> evacuation of large numbers of key people from London [such as whitehall,
> BBC and others], I would have thought that LUL and Railtrack would pool
> their resources.
See a Private Eye of about a month ago: it took several hours to
negotiate between Virgin, Railtrack and EWS for Virgin to borrow a train
for half an hour to move a broken-down train.
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Andrew Kurowski
> Surely not? After all these years?
>
> Can anyone give me some sort of idea as to how long something like
> bubonic plague might survive underground? I've heard a few of these
> stories, but I can't believe that after 500~ years, a virus/bacteria
> might still be contagious.....
Bacteria are living organisms; viruses, being protein structures (IIRC
GCSE Biology), can survive one heck of a lot longer and are not subject
to usual terms for living regarding respiration et al.