Tell It To The Judge...
Elflet
questions.
I have seen now time after time, Mary respond to someone elses post, or
even a SPAMMER's post, and you seize the opportunity, no matter how
remote it is to the topic, to jump in to ridicule and bait Mary by
making an outrageous accusation, complete with persuasive indignance,
that she feels compelled to counter the lie with a response.
Having gotten your desired response, and you switch from an aggressor
stance to "victim" stance by getting her to reply to you, (and it
really doesn't matter what she responds), or whether what you write is
even remotely connected to the truth--(the "spin" or allegation is
enough to cause harm), you then play your "Gotcha" card of telling
your victim:
a) "You're sick-get help"
b) "You're stupid"
c) "You need to apologize to me, all the nice people, for your part...
d) "nobody likes you"
What is amazing to me, is how deftly you have forgotten a few obviously
minor facts to you....to the ordinary law-abiding person, these facts
would be crushing, and they would be ashamed, and having only ordinary
conscience, would feel awful--that they caused injury, and certainly
not continue beligerence to their victim.
O.J. Simpson claimed that "Nicole ruined HIS life." And over and over
trivialized his part in the history of beatings, and exaggerated her
part--his contempt for law, the lack of respect of others, was evident
long before the murders. Criminals have no concept of others. They
think not only are they above the law due to unique and "special
circumstances", but that all are stupid--judges, police, people who
work 9-5,--all are stupid except them. They claim all THEIR beligerant
actions are to "defend their honor".
You neatly forget YOU were the one the police decided to arrest, not
Mary.
YOU were the one responsible for someone being taken to a hospital in
an ambulance.
YOU were the one that stood before a judge in a court of law charged
with criminal assault, not Mary. And you pled guilty. Do you know most
people go through their entire life without assaulting or injuring a
woman? Their entire life!!!! Most would feel sick at the thought, and
would not think of continuing to harrassing their victim. (But
interestingly enough, OJ Simpson did, even after their divorce, in a
variety of ways.)
Now, I assume the judge gave you a suspended sentence. A suspended
sentence contingently based on your future behavior. I wonder if this
is what that particular judge really had in mind as far as your present
behavior is consistant with the granting and the continuation of that
suspended sentence. Do you think that that judge would think you
be "entitled" a public forum to confront, taunt, belittle the victim
on a daily basis? (I know you think you're "entitled".)
Judges are not stupid people, no matter how clever the guilty think
they are, judges deal with criminals day after day. They have in their
own mind what constitues "stalking".
I wonder if this is what that particular judge had in mind as far as
your present behavior is consistant with the granting of that suspended
sentence and if this was indicative of your rehabilitation. That
acceptable or good behavior was the sudden interest in an internet
newsgroup that the victim used, that she was a frequent contributor, to
become an opportunity of near daily harrassment of the victim by the
perpetrator. I wonder if what you have been doing, what you have been
saying to Mary on this newsgroup, week after week, month after month,
returning to an internet newsgroup that your victim was a primary
contributor and supporter, (one in which prior to that day of assualt
that you had VERY LITTLE interest.) to daily publicly attempt to
humilitate and harrass the victim named in your case, demanding that
she apologize to you, for her lies. Would you be doing this if you knew
the sentencing judge was reading your posts daily?
I don't pretend to know the law nor the mind of a judge, but I think
the sentencing judge in that county, might find this all very
interesting. I have no idea what he might do, (you know--like make
little a phone call to a local Dist. Atty where you lived) nor what he
might think.
I do know for a fact, that judges can really get cranky--especially
when it comes to men beating up women. They are fed up with them--
repulsed by them. They are unsympathetic to them. I think they possibly
lose all patience with someone they kindly gave a suspended sentence
to, flaunting that decision, and are quite possible think some jail
time might be the better way to get the message across. I think the
judge might be curious as to how a former case was doing--was he
rehabilitated, etc...
I really think you should tell your complaints, your excuses, your
rationalizations of just "defending of your honor", to the judge.
Tell him "it's your right" to use the Internet anyway you want. I know
he'd appreciate your insight.
(Disgusted by men who abuse women or children, and keep on doing it,
and feel abuse will continue until it becomes EVERYBODY's business).
E.
P.S. Forte Agent 1.8..., Organization: NeverSoft, Ltd..--You know what
that means, and you need to know that I know what that means.
...and I understand there's some question if you are really a member of
this "club"?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
M.L.S.
You are operating under two giant misapprehensions, but because they
are both so easily dispelled and because both of them have been
addressed before, I must assume that you are merely being willfully
ignorant.
First: My participation in alt.support.herpes did not spring full
blown upon my breakup with Mary.
I was given a perscription for Valtrex on April 14, 1999 and I believe
I began posting to alt.support.herpes that evening or the next day.
From mid April until mid September of last year I made several hundred
posts to a.s.h. under the fake name of kn...@large.com with the screen
name of Tangled. If Dejanews's reorganization has progressed
sufficiently anyone can verify that, and many of the regs here can
vouch for me. Guyonphone was the first person to respond to my first
post.
Mary and I flirted with each other on the group through the month of
May and I believe I emailed her, introducing myself privately, on May
31, 1999. I continued posting to a.s.h. I went to my ex-wife's house
for two weeks in late June and didn't have a computer so I didn't
post. I continued posting when I got back. I went to Mary's house
for ten days in July and we made some joint posts from her computer
and I continued posting on my own from my house the 2nd half of July.
I went to Mary's the month of August, and again didn't have use of my
own computer (blown monitor) but sat and posted with Mary.
I returned to WV on September 7 but didn't post much that month for
what to me appear to be obvious reasons. Also, I was back in NY for
eight or nine days with Mary, somewhat blissful days if I do remember
correctly. Post fight, I might point out. I returned to WV on about
Sep 22 and was here for a solid month, during which time I again
posted faithfully to the ng. I returned to NY on Oct 19 and was
without my computer for a couple weeks, until I rented an apartment
and had a phone line hooked up, after which time I posted when I
could, which wasn't often since I spent 100% of my days working with
Mary and 95% of my nights at her house sitting next to her while SHE
posted to the ng.
Mary broke up with me at the end of January and I continued posting.
On March 8th I receieved an email from Mary saying that it was good to
see me on the group and that while she was going to take a break for a
while, for personal reasons, that she hoped I continued to post. It's
in black and white. Shortly after that I took a trip to the West
coast for a couple weeks and didn't post, but during that time I
received several harassing emails from Mary, to which I responded most
civilly, finally asking her to cease, to no avail, at which point I
quit responding. I returned to WV at the end of March and continued
to post to the group, quite peacefully, too, without mention of Mary.
And then everything changed on April 7, 2000 when Mary, out of the
blue, began her attacks on me.
Which brings us to your Second misrepresentation. Your contention
that I'm the harasser is ludicrous. I've been playing defensive ball
here from the get go. I want the mud slinging to stop. I have
nothing against Mary except where her false and brainless allegations
are concerned. Sure, because she raised the confrontation to a fever
pitch I have stepped into a few other threads and pointed out some of
her falsehoods and I have stepped up to defend others against her
paranoia, but I have in no way hijacked threads in the service of
trashing her. I have tried to confine myself to responding only to
her falsehoods, and to yours. Even a cursory reading of the record
will show that to be true.
Mary, on the other hand, has injected me into numerous, numerous
threads, accusing me of being a wide range of spammers, accusing
others (ukafka, cocoa, sweetie, yosh, brandy, sati, mike, to name just
a few) of being me, until her raving paranoia became so obvious that
even she herself must have seen it.
Anyway, reread the record if you're able. I've been on the defensive
since April 7th. The vast bulk of my posts to or about Mary have been
in response to either her or you. She cannot honorably claim the same
for herself. Your own honor, Elflet, is more than questionable.
By the way, I happened by accident across you and Hektor and Curly in
yet another newsgroup. That makes three groups where "coincidentally"
those two avowed trolls with their garbage mouths and disruptive
shenanigans showed up just when you "disappeared." What's the deal
with that? Huh?
And so, in conclusion, you are wrong about the length and depth of my
participation on this ng. The record is there. And you are equally
wrong that I am the harasser. As I've said countless times over the
last two months, I am only responding to attacks, not making them, and
indeed, this post itself is another example of that. Truth or no?
eh?
Mike
M.L.S.
>Watching this as I have been, I've seen things that lead me to certain
>questions.
You are so far off track.
>I have seen now time after time, Mary respond to someone elses post, or
>even a SPAMMER's post, and you seize the opportunity, no matter how
>remote it is to the topic, to jump in to ridicule and bait Mary by
>making an outrageous accusation, complete with persuasive indignance,
>that she feels compelled to counter the lie with a response.
If I respond to Mary's anti-spammer posts it's because she's implying
or flatly stating that she thinks the spammer is me. She's done it
countless times. You have done it yourself to me. I am not a spammer
or a troll. I will defend myself against allegations that I am. I
have even defended others against Mary's and your allegations. You
still need to apologize to those you've tried to lump in with me.
What kind of person are you that makes false allegations, has them
proven false, and doesn't take remedial steps? Are you too good for
everybody else?
I challenge you to reproduce a post of mine where I ridiculed and
baited Mary with some allegation when the issue hadn't already been
raised by her.
>Having gotten your desired response, and you switch from an aggressor
>stance to "victim" stance by getting her to reply to you, (and it
>really doesn't matter what she responds), or whether what you write is
>even remotely connected to the truth--(the "spin" or allegation is
>enough to cause harm),
Mary is the one throwing out the unfounded allegations. She says
Dejanews proves all kinds of things so I try to show that it doesn't.
She says I have a criminal record, which I don't, and I point out that
she does. She says that I am a woman beater, which I'm not, and I
point out that she has a very long history of physically abusing those
around her. She says I don't take showers, so I point out that she
pees in a pan and lives like a slob herself, and has also complained
that I took too many showers at her expense. She accuses me of being
various people and I counter it by pointing out I wasn't near a
computer when that person posted. etc.
Mary is the one playing the "spin" as you call it. She started all
this and I'm the one on the defensive. You seem to be one of the few
that doesn't see it.
>you then play your "Gotcha" card of telling
>your victim:
>a) "You're sick-get help"
>b) "You're stupid"
>c) "You need to apologize to me, all the nice people, for your part...
>d) "nobody likes you"
Lot's of people "like" Mary. But she is "sick." She isn't too
bright. And she needs to apologize for all the nasty untrue shit
she's slung at me and others.
>What is amazing to me, is how deftly you have forgotten a few obviously
>minor facts to you....to the ordinary law-abiding person, these facts
>would be crushing, and they would be ashamed, and having only ordinary
>conscience, would feel awful--that they caused injury, and certainly
>not continue beligerence to their victim.
I haven't forgotten a thing. As I've said before, for my
participation in the events of last Sep I have paid a great price and
will continue to pay a great price. I don't think that price should
include being run off the internet.
I was only one of the two participants in last years brouhaha.
Since you are amazed, I'll express my own amazement. I'm amazed that
you are taking the side of a person who DOES have a criminal record,
who DOES have a long history of physical abuse of others, who DOES
have a drinking problem, who is PLAINLY not all there as evidenced by
her posts seeing evil (and me) behind every new person that shows up
on the group.
>O.J. Simpson claimed that "Nicole ruined HIS life." And over and over
>trivialized his part in the history of beatings, and exaggerated her
>part--his contempt for law, the lack of respect of others, was evident
>long before the murders. Criminals have no concept of others. They
>think not only are they above the law due to unique and "special
>circumstances", but that all are stupid--judges, police, people who
>work 9-5,--all are stupid except them. They claim all THEIR beligerant
>actions are to "defend their honor".
I am defending my honor here. I suppose you will claim that I'm being
the aggressor against you.
I certainly haven't trivialized my part in anything with Mary. My
actions did not take place in a vacuum however. Her attempts to
portray me as the evil gangsta while reserving all notions of purety
to herself just don't wash.
If you're going to compare me to OJ you'll have to make up some more
lies. I don't have a history of beating anybody. I was in a one time
fight with Mary and she got a cut on her forehead. I got a beaut of a
black eye and an even nastier bruise on my back where she hit me with
a vase. Mary got to speak with my ex-wife and was told that I had
never been physically aggressive during the five years I was with her.
Going back to your OJ comments: I do not flout the law. I respect
people. I have exceedingly few enemies in the world. Ask anyone.
>You neatly forget YOU were the one the police decided to arrest, not
>Mary.
Had I called the police first they would have arrested her. It never
occurred to me to call the police when she started slugging me. It
didn't occurr to me to call the police when she started slugging me in
at Thanksgiving either. Perhaps I should have.
>YOU were the one responsible for someone being taken to a hospital in
>an ambulance.
That fight took two people. I didn't start the fight. I didn't even
finish the fight. In the middle of it Mary got hurt. I abhor my part
in that. I had never been in a fight before. We were both drunk and
our emotions were exceedingly high. You would like to make it that
Mary was carried out of the house on a stretcher but she wasn't. She
walked calmly to the ambulance, chatting with the attendants. She
refused treatment at the hospital, and had to be physically restrained
because she was so abusive to the doctors and nurses. I'd love to see
that hospital report.
>YOU were the one that stood before a judge in a court of law charged
>with criminal assault, not Mary. And you pled guilty.
Nope. I did not plead guilty to criminal assault.
>Do you know most
>people go through their entire life without assaulting or injuring a
>woman? Their entire life!!!! Most would feel sick at the thought, and
>would not think of continuing to harrassing their victim.
I am not harrassing Mary. I am defending myself against foul and
false allegations.
>(But
>interestingly enough, OJ Simpson did, even after their divorce, in a
>variety of ways.)
Swell. I'm not OJ. I am not harassing Mary. I have not sent her
anonymous abusive emails. I have not hacked into her computer. I did
not post foul things on an AOL chat using her name. I did not change
the date on her computer. I have not tormented her in any other way
other than just being my sweet personable self on this ng.
>Now, I assume the judge gave you a suspended sentence.
You assume wrong.
>A suspended
>sentence contingently based on your future behavior. I wonder if this
>is what that particular judge really had in mind as far as your present
>behavior is consistant with the granting and the continuation of that
>suspended sentence. Do you think that that judge would think you
>be "entitled" a public forum to confront, taunt, belittle the victim
>on a daily basis? (I know you think you're "entitled".)
I think the judge would be very interested in the whole thing. The
judge already knows what a nutcase Mary is. It's a small town. I
assume the judge would take a look at both sides of the case, ie.,
that he might actually fire up his computer and read the give and take
here, rather than just take Mary's one sided disjointed jaundiced view
of the whole affair.
>Judges are not stupid people, no matter how clever the guilty think
>they are, judges deal with criminals day after day. They have in their
>own mind what constitues "stalking".
I think any rational person would view Mary's behavior as stalking.
>I wonder if this is what that particular judge had in mind as far as
>your present behavior is consistant with the granting of that suspended
>sentence and if this was indicative of your rehabilitation. That
>acceptable or good behavior was the sudden interest in an internet
>newsgroup that the victim used,
You've said this before. I began participating on alt.support.herpes
in mid April 1999. My involvement here is not something that has
happened since Mary and I broke up. I met Mary on this newsgroup. I
wrote several hundred posts here from April through September last
year and several hundred more since then. My participation slowed to
some extent while I was with Mary because I spent most of my time at
her house, while my computer was at my apartment, and I sat next to
her while she read and wrote to the group. Much of what she wrote
here in Nov and Dec had my input.
>that she was a frequent contributor, to
>become an opportunity of near daily harrassment of the victim by the
>perpetrator.
That's really rich. Mary wrote to the group on March 7 of this year
and said she was going to take a break for personal reasons, and wrote
me privately and said that she hoped I continued to write here, that
the people here needed me. Until she began attacking me personally
one month later that is what I was doing. Since then I have tried to
continue my on topic posts while being somewhat distracted by her
continued and increasingly abusive rants. It's all in Dejanews.
>I wonder if what you have been doing, what you have been
>saying to Mary on this newsgroup, week after week, month after month,
>returning to an internet newsgroup that your victim was a primary
>contributor and supporter, (one in which prior to that day of assualt
>that you had VERY LITTLE interest.)
You are mistaken. I was a heavy participant here last year. Look in
Dejanews under kn...@large.com or the screen name Tangled.
> to daily publicly attempt to
>humilitate and harrass the victim named in your case, demanding that
>she apologize to you, for her lies. Would you be doing this if you knew
>the sentencing judge was reading your posts daily?
I'd like for him to be reading my posts. I have only been ashamed on
a few occasions when I've felt that I've had to stoop to Mary's level
in my responses to her trash. I've been more ashamed for Mary than I
have for me. I have tried to conduct myself as properly as possible
here. My first post to Mary's allegations of sexual deviancy was to
beg everyone, Mary included, to keep it off the group.
>I don't pretend to know the law nor the mind of a judge, but I think
>the sentencing judge in that county, might find this all very
>interesting. I have no idea what he might do, (you know--like make
>little a phone call to a local Dist. Atty where you lived) nor what he
>might think.
I would welcome some kind of official involvement. My fondest wish
after Mary started her crap was that she did indeed go to the police.
I have done nothing wrong so I feel I have nothing to fear. And also,
the only way to convince Mary that her allegations are just the echoes
of a paranoid and delusional mind is for her to actually try and
pursue criminal action and find out it just won't fly.
>I do know for a fact, that judges can really get cranky--especially
>when it comes to men beating up women. They are fed up with them--
>repulsed by them. They are unsympathetic to them. I think they possibly
>lose all patience with someone they kindly gave a suspended sentence
>to, flaunting that decision, and are quite possible think some jail
>time might be the better way to get the message across. I think the
>judge might be curious as to how a former case was doing--was he
>rehabilitated, etc...
I have everything backed up and saved, much of it printed out, much of
it already delivered to a lawyer. Mary doesn't have a case. I'd
welcome some official arbitration though.
>I really think you should tell your complaints, your excuses, your
>rationalizations of just "defending of your honor", to the judge.
>Tell him "it's your right" to use the Internet anyway you want. I know
>he'd appreciate your insight.
I have a right to free speech. I have not said anything that isn't
true about Mary. She has said a great deal that isn't true about me.
>(Disgusted by men who abuse women or children, and keep on doing it,
>and feel abuse will continue until it becomes EVERYBODY's business).
Mary is the abuser. Plain and simple.
>P.S. Forte Agent 1.8..., Organization: NeverSoft, Ltd..--You know what
>that means, and you need to know that I know what that means.
>...and I understand there's some question if you are really a member of
>this "club"?
I do not know of anything nefarious surrounding the name of NeverSoft.
I thought I had made up the name about twelve years ago when I was
just getting into programming. Just recently I became aware that
there is an established software company that is already using the
name and probably has the trademark. I have been contemplating a new
name. Is there something else I don't know here?
Mike
MARYGMARY
Do you know with all the horrible slanders he attributes to me the worst part
is that I took him back with all his apologies and this is the repayment I
got...for him to terrorize the group and when I pointed out a couple of his
fake troll names for him to turn around and blame it on me, and for him to
prove that he was not sorry in the least with all his lies. He only said what
he needed to get back in and get out of it Yes the sentance was suspended
pending good behavior because I went begging for him. The state had picked up
the charges and it was out of my hands....but not.... It is right there in the
records. Plead guilty...ACD six months. I have told the judge about this to
the total extent of his doings. I will have to go back and tell that it has
continued. No, I don't trust anyone on this group I have not met in person
after what happened to me but I sure as hell don't think they all have
something to do with him....LOL Some are their same old great selves, some
just don't care to know, some are dumb, and some may be him that old tangled
knot...it was tangled knot and not just tangled:-) I guess that's what I
deserve for leaving him after what he did and continued to do with the
abuse???????
The thing I resent the second most is the way that he frames his
lies....see...only I can know just how much he is baiting me and not all of
you. Like this last that I am a pig...o.k.....I have had problems with my
landlord because they went chapter eleven and are selling the property I am
renting and therefore the portable toilet that was provided me has been
removed. For this I have withheld a total of three months rent thus far. So
Mike is correct in that I have to use my own means in the old barn I rent to
get through the day. A pig this hardly makes me. He also hopes to get me
goping with these statements knowing this is my valid business address and I
have a very hard time just leaving these types of slander just hanging there.
I did tell him you see that he should pay me a dollar a shower and that I would
rent him the shower in my house as one day while I was at work my corner sander
had broken and I asked Mike if I could borrow his and he said no but he would
rent it to me and by his own admission in his little sililique here he spent
ninety-five percent of his time here and never payed a dime toward bills and
also got payed to help with the wash. He never did a thing here he didn't get
payed for!!!! He lived with me mainly and then wants to rent me his tool....so
I said o.k. I will rent you my shower. HE DID SMELL....says can't help it
since he was young but it wasn't the body I think it was the
clothes....eeeeewwwwww. He payed for his own food and that is all. I
supported him for helping me at my job. My home is very nice and I even just
installed new carpeting:-) I also have a very reputable reputation in this
town and I would say that half the people in it have purchased something from
me for their homes and then had me to dinner in them. I have not got a
criminal record. I made the attendant in the emergancy room very unhappy as I
would not allow them to stitch my head. They would not let me leave because
they wanted to observe me and were worried for my well being as the cuts were
so deep and one was a bad head wound. I made my own choice and I think I did
just fine because the sacrring was minimal using buterfly bandaids. I tend to
think that stitches make the scarring worse in most cases and since it was on
my face I was not leaving it to just anyone to SEW it up......A little vitamin
-e every day and aloe and it aint too bad:-)
I work so hard on this place that pisses me off the most saying I am a pig. I
hate to feed into his garbage but I just installed parquet wood floors in the
kitchen, sanded and refinished the hardwoodfloors in the living room, painted
the hallways, bathroom, foyer, living room, installed newcarpeting, am having
the basement sheetrocked------------AND I RENT NOT OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no drinking problem...about once a month I go out with freinds listen to
jazz and drink way too much wine. I don't spill a drop:-)
BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT....I AM NOT TAKING THE BAIT ANYMORE. YOU STARTED TO
HARRASS ME WHEN I WROTE YOU AND ASKED WHAT YOU DID WITH MY TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR
CHECK I ASKED YOU TO MAIL FOR ME AND YOUR RESPONSE WAS TO LEAVE YOU ALONE THEN
ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS ON THE NET I GET TONS OF WEIRDO LETTERS.
i NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR DOINGS HAD YOU NOT DONE THAT AND
WOULD HAVE TRIED TO FORGIVE AND FORGET MIKE.
AGAIN I SAY LEAVE ME ALONE LAWRENCE MICHAEL SOJA AND GO BEAT ON AND DEGRADE
SOMEONE ELSE...MAYBE YOUR OWN SIZE MIDGET LIKE BUT A MAN MAYBE??????
M.L.S.
>Thank You Elflet,
>Do you know with all the horrible slanders he attributes to me the worst part
>is that I took him back with all his apologies and this is the repayment I
>got...for him to terrorize the group and when I pointed out a couple of his
>fake troll names
There are NO FAKE TROLLS NAMES that come from me. There are no real
troll names that come from me either.
> for him to turn around and blame it on me,
Your publishing of these lies IS YOUR FAULT. You are to blame. You
willfully lie. I am no one but M.L.S. or possibly M Soja or Mike or
Mikey, etc. You have failed miserably in trying to prove that I am
anyone else and yet, after more than two months of being told you are
WRONG WRONG WRONG your persist in your idiocy.
>and for him to
>prove that he was not sorry in the least with all his lies. He only said what
>he needed to get back in and get out of it Yes the sentance was suspended
>pending good behavior because I went begging for him. The state had picked up
>the charges and it was out of my hands....but not.... It is right there in the
>records. Plead guilty...ACD six months. I have told the judge about this to
>the total extent of his doings. I will have to go back and tell that it has
>continued. No, I don't trust anyone on this group I have not met in person
>after what happened to me but I sure as hell don't think they all have
>something to do with him....LOL Some are their same old great selves, some
>just don't care to know, some are dumb, and some may be him that old tangled
>knot...it was tangled knot and not just tangled:-)
You really do have a hard time, don't you? My screen name was Tangled
and my fake email was kn...@large.com.
> I guess that's what I
>deserve for leaving him after what he did and continued to do with the
>abuse???????
>The thing I resent the second most is the way that he frames his
>lies....see...only I can know just how much he is baiting me and not all of
>you. Like this last that I am a pig...o.k.....I have had problems with my
>landlord because they went chapter eleven and are selling the property I am
>renting and therefore the portable toilet that was provided me has been
>removed. For this I have withheld a total of three months rent thus far. So
>Mike is correct in that I have to use my own means in the old barn I rent to
>get through the day.
Umm, the portable toilet was right there all winter. You were just
too lazy to use it.
> A pig this hardly makes me. He also hopes to get me
>goping with these statements knowing this is my valid business address and I
>have a very hard time just leaving these types of slander just hanging there.
>I did tell him you see that he should pay me a dollar a shower and that I would
>rent him the shower in my house as one day while I was at work my corner sander
>had broken and I asked Mike if I could borrow his and he said no but he would
>rent it to me
You wanted to use my personal sander for your commercial work. Or
rather you wanted me to loan it to your son to use, but I'd just spent
several hours watching him misuse your sanders so . . . I said let's
talk about it and you gave me the finger and your usual "fuck you."
>and by his own admission in his little sililique here he spent
>ninety-five percent of his time here and never payed a dime toward bills and
>also got payed to help with the wash.
Actually, I didn't get paid to wash. In the five days you were in
Florida I did somewhere close to 30 loads of your laundry, abeit using
money that you had left for that and other purposes. I also did
loads of your laundry prior to that when I did my own laundry at the
laundry mat, at my own expense.
> He never did a thing here he didn't get
>payed for!!!!
Another lie. A very big lie and you know it.
> He lived with me mainly and then wants to rent me his tool....so
>I said o.k. I will rent you my shower. HE DID SMELL....says can't help it
>since he was young but it wasn't the body I think it was the
>clothes....eeeeewwwwww. He payed for his own food and that is all. I
>supported him for helping me at my job. My home is very nice and I even just
>installed new carpeting:-) I also have a very reputable reputation in this
>town and I would say that half the people in it have purchased something from
>me for their homes and then had me to dinner in them. I have not got a
>criminal record.
Do DUIs count?
> I made the attendant in the emergancy room very unhappy as I
>would not allow them to stitch my head. They would not let me leave because
>they wanted to observe me and were worried for my well being as the cuts were
>so deep and one was a bad head wound. I made my own choice and I think I did
>just fine because the sacrring was minimal using buterfly bandaids. I tend to
>think that stitches make the scarring worse in most cases and since it was on
>my face I was not leaving it to just anyone to SEW it up......A little vitamin
>-e every day and aloe and it aint too bad:-)
>I work so hard on this place that pisses me off the most saying I am a pig. I
>hate to feed into his garbage but I just installed parquet wood floors in the
>kitchen, sanded and refinished the hardwoodfloors in the living room,
Who helped you with the living room floors? eh?
> painted
>the hallways, bathroom, foyer, living room, installed newcarpeting, am having
>the basement sheetrocked------------AND I RENT NOT OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever.
Love,
Mike
M.L.S.
<snip>
>I have no drinking problem [...] I don't spill a drop:-)
Neither did W.C. Fields.
>BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT....I AM NOT TAKING THE BAIT ANYMORE. YOU STARTED TO
>HARRASS ME WHEN I WROTE YOU AND ASKED WHAT YOU DID WITH MY TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR
>CHECK I ASKED YOU TO MAIL FOR ME AND YOUR RESPONSE WAS TO LEAVE YOU ALONE
My response after a dozen increasingly nasty emails to me on the
subject of the check I mailed for you was to leave me alone. I
offered to pay to have the check stopped, which I needn't have. Your
response to that was that you were going to cancel the account. LOL.
A few days later your check was returned, lost somewhere in the mail.
Your whole attitude about the check was that I had appropriated it for
myself or something.
> THEN
>ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS ON THE NET I GET TONS OF WEIRDO LETTERS.
NONE OF THOSE WEIRDO LETTERS WERE FROM ME. PRODUCE THEM TO ME WITH
THE FULL HEADERS AND I WILL ENDEAVOR TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
>i NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR DOINGS HAD YOU NOT DONE THAT AND
>WOULD HAVE TRIED TO FORGIVE AND FORGET MIKE.
WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT ME IS WRONG. EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS
WRONG. I DIDN'T SEND YOU ANONYMOUS EMAILS. I HAVEN'T DONE ANY OF THE
OTHER THINGS YOU ACCUSE ME OF. YOU ARE MISTAKEN ABOUT ME. YOU ARE
WRONG. FIGURE IT OUT.
>AGAIN I SAY LEAVE ME ALONE LAWRENCE MICHAEL SOJA AND GO BEAT ON AND DEGRADE
>SOMEONE ELSE...MAYBE YOUR OWN SIZE MIDGET LIKE BUT A MAN MAYBE??????
Go scream at someone else.
Love,
Mike
cocoabeany
Then we can all post about our analysis of their relationship
there and keep this group for herpes.
Or better yet, why don't they just agree that they don't like
one another and ignore eachother here? No more accusations, no
more name calling, don't even aknowledge eachother. I don't
care who did what to whom, most here don't. It is shameful that
it has gone this far and is so childish. Aside from the fact
that it increases stress on the parties involved, and we all
know what stress does to the herpes, eh?
THIS IS A HERPES NEWSGROUP! That seems to have been forgotten
by some.
Ok, I am done now.
Denise
Still searching for how to ignore an author on remarq...sigh..I
just don't care for outlook express.....
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Sme3120
>
>Watching this as I have been, I've seen things that lead me to certain
>questions.
>
Oh guys, come on!
Wouldn't these converstaions re: Mike and Mary and their relationship troubles
and subsequent fall-out be more appropriately confined to private space?
Sme(-:
TBethEve
feel that's the best thing for everyone else to do as well. If their threads
don't get fed, perhaps they'll stop happening, if you know what I mean.
Beth :-)
Remember, only you hold the keys to your happiness. :-)
Yoshi2Me
Hi Beth - I screened out Mary's crap for awhile and then I though she was being
kind of supportive again only to be dissapointed that she didn't stick to it...
So the blocks are up again. I personally do not think she knows how to be
supportive to herpes only. Some folks thrive on having to have that
disfunction in their life in order to function. However, I will say that I
think it is worth it to unblock Mike.
He has been through a lot but I think he realizes that we all understand that
he is not any of those things that Mary claims him to be. I think things will
be good from now on..... : )
-->Yosh
CHOICES: "We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong.
The amount of work is the same." Carlos Castaneda
MARYGMARY
..rantings..I told someone not one month prior to your posting my home phone
number that I did not trust you. Didn't you prove me right!!!! I have seen
your nastiness toward others here before. Some may not have been around to
witness it but I am not alone in being hardly able to stand you or laughing at
how flaky you are....ROFLMAO
SO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!
You are the one that is in every single argument ever had here and when it was
quite and peacful where were you not around much and then only to post a
list....big whoop.
He has been throuhg a lot.....you have been through a lot...like when they
dropped you on your head at birth
LOVE
Mary
Sati
hotcocoawithminimarshmallows wrote:
>I was thinking alt.mike-and-mary would be a good newsgroup.
>Then we can all post about our analysis of their relationship
>there and keep this group for herpes.
LOL!!!! GREAT idea!!! alt.mike-and-mary!!! hahahahaha! roflmao! I'll bet
even Mike
thinks this is pretty funny!
><snip>
>Ok, I am done now.
>Denise
You're a funny girl, hotcocobeanie!! Love ya!
Sati
>
>Still searching for how to ignore an author on remarq...sigh..I
>just don't care for outlook express.....
(ah admit it...it just wouldn't be the same if we didn't have the mike vs
mary soap!)
;^) ...s.