INFO NEEDED: mixing consoles
Saso Podobnik
out and it even LOOKED like crap - I ain't buyin'.
Anyway, I found a few other mixers that I also know little about:
EATON BRAY - an English 12 channel mixer that no-one knows absolutely
nothing about - is it reliable at least? It looks fantastic, really vintage,
but it's the things that accompany "vintage" that I'm afraid of.
INKEL PROMIX 1200E - looks rather crappy, but is it?
LEM - these are Italian...is that a warning sign, or not necessarily?
SOLTON - another Italian job, they just look tackier than Lem.
RAM RM-16 Micro - this one looks really reassuring to me, I can't really
tell why, but is it alright?
Thanks in advance. As I said before, reliability is definitely my top
priority, sound quality comes second as I'm going to use it for demo
purposes. Any info on the Eaton Bray especially will be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Saso.
Preben Friis
"Saso Podobnik" <sar...@siol.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks to everybody who warned me agains the Alesis 1622. I went to check
it
> out and it even LOOKED like crap - I ain't buyin'.
>
> Anyway, I found a few other mixers that I also know little about:
<snippage>
> RAM RM-16 Micro - this one looks really reassuring to me, I can't really
> tell why, but is it alright?
If it is the 16-4-2 version, I have used one for many years. It is not state
of the art, and as far as I remember it was a bit noisy, and also had a
tendency to cause grond loops (maybe because of the flightcase I built it
into). I blew the power supply of mine, because i replaced the VU-lamps with
12V/2W bulbs instead of the <1W bulbs originally fitted... and it was
replaced with a rack mounted Behringer, that was far more practical and less
bulky.
/Preben Friis
Mike Rivers
> Anyway, I found a few other mixers that I also know little about:
>
> EATON BRAY
> INKEL PROMIX 1200E
> LEM
> SOLTON
> RAM RM-16 Micro
Are you some place where the more popular brands such as Mackie and
Spirit aren't readily available, but these oddballs are? As a rank
beginner looking for great sound, I think your needs would be much
better served, and your frustration level considerably lower, by
buying something that everyone knows about rather than trying for
something unique in search of that "vintage sound."
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mri...@d-and-d.com)
Luke Kaven
> In article <INyU8.34$QA....@news.siol.net> sar...@siol.net writes:
>
> > Anyway, I found a few other mixers that I also know little about:
> >
> > EATON BRAY
> > INKEL PROMIX 1200E
> > LEM
> > SOLTON
> > RAM RM-16 Micro
>
> Are you some place where the more popular brands such as Mackie and
> Spirit aren't readily available, but these oddballs are?
I think he's in Slovenia.
Along the lines of what Mike suggested, I think he'd probably be best
getting an Allen & Heath MixWizard, or something like that. They're
really solid, and can be more easily serviced compared with the
Mackie, due to their modular construction (modular ALPS faders,
channel circuits on daughtercards). Shouldn't be too hard to get them
in Europe.
Luke
Patric D'Eimon
Compass Catalog at www.fullcompass.com and see what is available and get
something mainstream. Even the small format mixers from Mackie, Alesis,
Allen/Heath will work great. I have 2 Mackie 1402's and they are always useful.
Speaking of odd stuff. I still have my first mixer, a Tapioca 6200 and
the later 6200B. They both have direct outs on each channel so I use
the individual channels as "special purpose" per's. The are remarkably
cool. the sound is unique, a little noisy after all these years (I
think I bought it in 1976) and each channel is a little different from
the next. The 6200B (79 maybe) is a little different still. I got 'em,
I use 'em. Heck with the rules.
I also have some real nice new ones too. Patric
Sašo Podobnik
...and our second-hand market is in a terrible state - in any civilised
country, you say "Hmm, I need a Mackie/Behringer mixer" and you go and check
who's selling it. Over here, you go and check whether there MIGHT be a
single ad for a beat-up mixer at an insane price. That's why there are no
Mackies and such.
I agree with Mike about what I need - I need a useful, reliable desk. I'm a
beginner so I can't really appreciate "great vintage sound", I'm not even
after it and I would hardly care to put up with all the problems that old,
unsupported vintage gear may create for me in the future. I think I'll just
save some more money and wait for a Mackie...which might appear sometime in
September.
Thanks,
Saso.
Mike Rivers <mri...@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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Sašo Podobnik
in business? Do they have an internet home page? Are they easy to service?
I'd be really grateful if you could tell me anything you remember about it -
anything will do. You know, any odd/great feaures, comparison to current
stuff etc.
Thanks & bye for now,
Saso.
Patric D'Eimon
effect of hunger on spelling...Patric
Patric D'Eimon
getting what we want. Is it equally difficult to buy off of the
internet? www.musiciansfriend.com, wwwamericanmusicsupply.com etc are
terrific for pricing. Puts it in perspective just how much I take for
granted. Best...Patric
j. taylor
Will Hunt
David Morley
in the 80愀. Probably decent consoles.
www.thomann.de might ship and they have great deals.
Saso Podobnik
homepage?
Saso.
David Morley <david....@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Preben Friis
"Sašo Podobnik" <sar...@siol.net> wrote in message
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> Hey, cool! What's the build quality? Where do they make them? Is RAM still
> in business? Do they have an internet home page? Are they easy to service?
>
> I'd be really grateful if you could tell me anything you remember about
it -
> anything will do. You know, any odd/great feaures, comparison to current
> stuff etc.
>
> Thanks & bye for now,
> Saso.
16-4-2 configuration. 3 band EQ with sweepable mid, 1 pre fader send, and 1
post fader.
It had a 10-4-2 little sister and a 24-8-2 bigger brother.
I think the build quality is as good as anything produced today. Each
channel has its own PCB, all connected with a good ribbon cable. Faders and
pots didn't fail in the time I used it. I think is is built around TL072
OpAmps but I might be mistaken.
Odd features: The line in of channel 9-16 doubled as tape returns, and could
be routed to the upper/lover part of the 4 sub-groups. Live you could use
the the upper 4 as effects returns and still keep the subgroups, even with
aux-send for monitor. The "tape retuns" are RCA connectors, but I changed
them to phone jacks easily.
I doubt that the company is still around, and I haven't seen them around the
last ten years. (And "RAM Mixer" is a very bad combination of words to find
anything on the internet with :)
I still got the mixer and the manual around here ...(I was just about to
write that I couldn't find the manual, when I looked at the back corner of
my desk.......).
Here it is:
RAM was short for "Recording Audio Mixers Ltd." .. but is mentioned only
once in this group before.
Quote from Luc Weytjens 1997/04/21
""Recording Audio Mixers" (RAM) was a bit of a mysterious (at least to me)
British brand with a rather short lifespan. They produced a series of mixing
desks in the second half of the 80's. I remember a conversation with
somebody who praised these desks for their transparency, amongst others. I
would have taken his opinion with more than one grain of salt if he would
have been selling them, but he wasn't (in fact he was distributing D&R desks
and Tannoy loudspeakers at the time), so I'm intrigued."
One of these days I might repair the power supply, and fire it up again, but
on the other hand, I've got a handfull of better mixers around, so why
bother...
I made a scan of the block diagram for you at:
http://hiq.homepage.dk/studio/rm-16.jpg
Enjoy and good luck finding a mixer.
/Preben Friis
James Perrett
>
> Are they still being produced? Are spare parts still available? Is there a
> homepage?
>
RAM disappeared years ago - I don't think they even made it into the
90's.
Of all the makes you mention RAM are the only real mixer manufacturers -
all the others are general cheap music gear manufacturers who probably
aren't worth bothering with. I had a friend with the RM16 hooked up to a
Fostex 8 track. It worked well for him although the tape outputs were on
phono connectors which were sometimes a bit intermittent.
If you can find a Soundcraft Spirit or Studiomaster then you might find
that they are a step up though.
Cheers.
James.
Sašo Podobnik
this desk after all. If I do. I'll be in touch via e-mail for further
questions, if you don't mind.
Thanks again,
Saso.
Preben Friis <no...@technologist.com> wrote in message
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Paolo Tramannoni
> LEM - these are Italian...is that a warning sign, or not necessarily?
Sonically, some of LEM mixers were not all that awful. They were
modified copies of Soundcraft stuff, so the design was nice. Build
quality is on the lowest end of the range, despite some positive
experiences I was told about bigger live consoles.
> Spot on, Luke, you guessed right: I am from Slovenia...
> ...and our second-hand market is in a terrible state
What about crossing the boundaries, and looking if something is
available in Italy and Austria? There is a lot of used Mackie, Spirit
and Behringer stuff in Italy, as I guess there is in Austria.
If you understand a little Italian, you can give a look at the several
2nd-hand magazines on the internet, maybe starting from my preferred
"http://www.strumentimusicali.jackson.it". Also, yellow pages may be of
use (http://www.paginegialle.it).
If you are looking for vintage, maybe "http://www.funky-junk.it" in
Milan is the way to go. (Great service, awful prices.)
Best regards,
Paolo
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Paolo Tramannoni
Porto Recanati, Italy