MNI of fossil species
Ben Potter
After dealing with a number of creationist who use the "Big Daddy" tract
approach to discredit the evidence of hominid evolution, I decided to
compile a database of hominid specimens, focusing on getting a MNI
(minimum number of individuals) and crania for each species. The list is
far from complete, but I thought if some on this list might want numbers
so far.
Okay,
Ardipithecus ramidus kadabba (5.8-5.2 mya) (5 sites, 5 individuals, 0
crania)
Ardipithecus ramidus ramidus (4.4 mya) (2 sites, >50 individuals, 0
crania)
Australopithecus afarensis (4.2-2.96 mya) (11 sites, ~120 individuals,
>8 crania)
Australopithecus africanus (2.9-2.4 mya) (7 sites, ~130 individuals, 25
crania)
Australopithecus anamensis (4.17-3.9 mya) (2 sites, 10 individuals, 0
crania)
Australopithecus bahrelghazali (3.5-3.0 mya) (1 site, 1 individual, 0
crania)
Australopithecus garhi (2.5 mya, 3 sites, 4 individuals, 1 cranium)
Homo antecessor (800 kya, 1 site, >5 individuals, 0? crania)
Homo erectus/ergaster (1.9-0.4 mya, >34 sites, >210 individuals, >62
crania)
Homo habilis (2.3-1.6 mya, 7 sites, 25 individuals, 11 crania)
Homo heidelbergensis (700-100 kya, 26 sites, 60 individuals, 20 crania)
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis (250-25 kya, >31 sites, >77 individuals,
>27 crania
Homo sapiens sapiens, >10 kya only (130 kya to recent, >75 sites, >154
individuals, numerous crania)
Homo rudolfensis (1.9 mya, 2 sites, 5 individuals, 3 crania)
Kenyanthropus platyops (3.3 mya, 1 site, 3 individuals, 1 crania)
Orrorin tugenensis (6.3-5.6 mya) (4 sites, 5 individuals, 0 crania)
Paranthropus aethiopicus (2.7-1.9 mya, 2 sites, 8 individuals, 2 crania)
Paranthropus boisei (2.5-1.4 mya, 9 sites, 43 individuals, 13 crania)
Paranthropus robustus (2.0-1.5 mya, 3 sites, 28 individuals, 20 crania)
Sahelanthropus tchadensis (7.0-6.0 mya) (1 site, 6 individuals, 1
cranium)
based on this limited data, we have nearly 1,000 individuals, with
nearly 200 crania. I expect the final number to be over 3,000 given the
estimate of the Catalogue of Fossil Hominid published by the British
Natural History Museum (almost 4000 as of 1976). It is unclear if this
refers to NISP or MNI.
So, next time a creationist regurgitates the "Neanderthal Man, Nebraska
Man, Java Man, Peking Man" bullshit, as if we only have a few remains
available, here are some raw numbers. I expect to gather many more when
I get the recent volume of human evolution by Wiley covering craniod
remains.
Cheers,
Ben
Robert Carroll
"Ben Potter" <bpo...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
news:3D377371...@pobox.alaska.net...
This is extremely useful. Others may wish to add to the list, but the idea
is remarkable.
Bob
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben
>
Eric Gill
news:ujgd512...@corp.supernews.com:
Indeed. Page for the T.O. site?
Ben Potter
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Robert Carroll wrote:
My DB is set up with the following fields: Nation, Site, Specimen ID, Taxon,
Description, Age, other names, Reference, CC
For example:
South Africa, Sterkfontein, TM 1512, Australopithecus africanus, cranium, __,
"was Pleisanthropus transvaalensis", Broom 1947
If someone was willing, maybe at T.O., we could set up an excel-type
spreadsheet that people could add to when they have new information.
Cheers,
Ben
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<p>Robert Carroll wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Ben Potter" <bpo...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote
in message
<br><a href="news:3D377371...@pobox.alaska.net">news:3D377371...@pobox.alaska.net</a>...
<br>> Hello all,
<br>>
<br>> After dealing with a number of creationist who use the "Big Daddy"
tract
<br>> approach to discredit the evidence of hominid evolution, I decided
to
<br>> compile a database of hominid specimens, focusing on getting a MNI
<br>> (minimum number of individuals) and crania for each species. The
list is
<br>> far from complete, but I thought if some on this list might want
numbers
<br>> so far.
<br>>
<br>> Okay,
<br>>
<br>> Ardipithecus ramidus kadabba (5.8-5.2 mya) (5 sites, 5 individuals,
0
<br>> crania)
<br>> Ardipithecus ramidus ramidus (4.4 mya) (2 sites, >50 individuals,
0
<br>> crania)
<br>> Australopithecus afarensis (4.2-2.96 mya) (11 sites, ~120 individuals,
<br>> >8 crania)
<br>> Australopithecus africanus (2.9-2.4 mya) (7 sites, ~130 individuals,
25
<br>> crania)
<br>> Australopithecus anamensis (4.17-3.9 mya) (2 sites, 10 individuals,
0
<br>> crania)
<br>> Australopithecus bahrelghazali (3.5-3.0 mya) (1 site, 1 individual,
0
<br>> crania)
<br>> Australopithecus garhi (2.5 mya, 3 sites, 4 individuals, 1 cranium)
<br>> Homo antecessor (800 kya, 1 site, >5 individuals, 0? crania)
<br>> Homo erectus/ergaster (1.9-0.4 mya, >34 sites, >210 individuals,
>62
<br>> crania)
<br>> Homo habilis (2.3-1.6 mya, 7 sites, 25 individuals, 11 crania)
<br>> Homo heidelbergensis (700-100 kya, 26 sites, 60 individuals, 20 crania)
<br>> Homo sapiens neanderthalensis (250-25 kya, >31 sites, >77 individuals,
<br>> >27 crania
<br>> Homo sapiens sapiens, >10 kya only (130 kya to recent, >75 sites,
>154
<br>> individuals, numerous crania)
<br>> Homo rudolfensis (1.9 mya, 2 sites, 5 individuals, 3 crania)
<br>> Kenyanthropus platyops (3.3 mya, 1 site, 3 individuals, 1 crania)
<br>> Orrorin tugenensis (6.3-5.6 mya) (4 sites, 5 individuals, 0 crania)
<br>> Paranthropus aethiopicus (2.7-1.9 mya, 2 sites, 8 individuals, 2
crania)
<br>>
<br>> Paranthropus boisei (2.5-1.4 mya, 9 sites, 43 individuals, 13 crania)
<br>> Paranthropus robustus (2.0-1.5 mya, 3 sites, 28 individuals, 20 crania)
<br>> Sahelanthropus tchadensis (7.0-6.0 mya) (1 site, 6 individuals, 1
<br>> cranium)
<br>>
<br>> based on this limited data, we have nearly 1,000 individuals, with
<br>> nearly 200 crania. I expect the final number to be over 3,000 given
the
<br>> estimate of the Catalogue of Fossil Hominid published by the British
<br>> Natural History Museum (almost 4000 as of 1976). It is unclear if
this
<br>> refers to NISP or MNI.
<br>>
<br>> So, next time a creationist regurgitates the "Neanderthal Man, Nebraska
<br>> Man, Java Man, Peking Man" bullshit, as if we only have a few remains
<br>> available, here are some raw numbers. I expect to gather many more
when
<br>> I get the recent volume of human evolution by Wiley covering craniod
<br>> remains.
<p>This is extremely useful. Others may wish to add to the list, but the
idea
<br>is remarkable.
<p>Bob
<br>>
<br>> Cheers,
<br>>
<br>> Ben
<br>></blockquote>
<p><br>My DB is set up with the following fields: Nation, Site, Specimen
ID, Taxon, Description, Age, other names, Reference, CC
<p>For example:
<p>South Africa, Sterkfontein, TM 1512, <i>Australopithecus africanus</i>,
cranium, __, "was <i>Pleisanthropus transvaalensis</i>", Broom 1947
<p>If someone was willing, maybe at T.O., we could set up an excel-type
spreadsheet that people could add to when they have new information.
<p>Cheers,
<p>Ben</html>
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Bobby D. Bryant
> My DB is set up with the following fields: Nation, Site, Specimen ID, Taxon,
> Description, Age, other names, Reference, CC
Be sure to leave a blank line for the Missing Link.
Bobby Bryant
Ausitn, Texas
Richard S. Norman
And everytime we add a new line for a newly found specimen,
make sure to add two blank lines -- that only creates two missing
links! The more data there is, the more missing links there are!
(We'll never win that way!)
More seriously, an accessible database would very quickly be
destroyed by malicious additions/deletions. It would have to be
managed.
Greg
> "Ben Potter" <bpo...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
> news:3D377371...@pobox.alaska.net...
> > Hello all,
> >
> > After dealing with a number of creationist who use the "Big Daddy" tract
> > approach to discredit the evidence of hominid evolution, I decided to
> > compile a database of hominid specimens, focusing on getting a MNI
> > (minimum number of individuals) and crania for each species. The list is
> > far from complete, but I thought if some on this list might want numbers
> > so far.
> >
> > Okay,
> >
> >
> > based on this limited data, we have nearly 1,000 individuals, with
> > nearly 200 crania. I expect the final number to be over 3,000 given the
> > estimate of the Catalogue of Fossil Hominid published by the British
> > Natural History Museum (almost 4000 as of 1976). It is unclear if this
> > refers to NISP or MNI.
> >
> > So, next time a creationist regurgitates the "Neanderthal Man, Nebraska
> > Man, Java Man, Peking Man" bullshit, as if we only have a few remains
> > available, here are some raw numbers. I expect to gather many more when
> > I get the recent volume of human evolution by Wiley covering craniod
> > remains.
>
> This is extremely useful. Others may wish to add to the list, but the idea
> is remarkable.
>
> Bob
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben
> >
Ardipithecus ramidus kadabba (5.8-5.2 mya, (5 sites, 5 individuals, 0
crania)
Ardipithecus ramidus ramidus (4.4 mya, (2 sites, >50 individuals, 0
crania)
Australopithecus afarensis (4.2-2.96 mya, (11 sites, ~120 individuals,
>8 crania, 375 to 550 cc. )
Australopithecus anamensis (4.17-3.9 mya, (2 sites, 10 individuals, 0
crania)
Australopithecus bahrelghazali (3.5-3.0 mya, (1 site, 1 individual, 0
crania)
Australopithecus africanus (2.9-2.4 mya, (7 sites, ~130 individuals,
25 crania, 420 to 500 cc)
Australopithecus garhi (2.5 mya, 3 sites, 4 individuals, 1 cranium)
Homo antecessor (800 kya, 1 site, >5 individuals, 0? crania)
Homo erectus/ergaster (1.9-0.4 mya, >34 sites, >210 individuals, >62
crania, 750 to 1225 cc
(early specimens avg. 900 cc, later avg. 1100 cc))
Homo habilis (2.3-1.6 mya, 7 sites, 25 individuals, 11 crania, 500 to
800 cc)
Homo heidelbergensis (700-100 kya, 26 sites, 60 individuals, 20
crania)
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis (250-25 kya, >31 sites, >77 individuals,
>27 crania, 1450 cc)
Homo sapiens sapiens, >10 kya only (130 kya to recent, >75 sites, >154
individuals, numerous crania, 1350 cc)
Homo rudolfensis (1.9 mya, 2 sites, 5 individuals, 3 crania)
Kenyanthropus platyops (3.3 mya, 1 site, 3 individuals, 1 crania)
Orrorin tugenensis (6.3-5.6 mya, (4 sites, 5 individuals, 0 crania)
Paranthropus aethiopicus (2.7-1.9 mya, 2 sites, 8 individuals, 2
crania, 410 cc)
Paranthropus boisei (2.5-1.4 mya, 9 sites, 43 individuals, 13 crania,
530 cc)
Paranthropus robustus (2.0-1.5 mya, 3 sites, 28 individuals, 20
crania, 530 cc)
Sahelanthropus tchadensis (7.0-6.0 mya, 1 site, 6 individuals, 1
cranium)
--
Greg
Why is everyone against us hypocrites?
m_h_burch
about putting this information on the T.O. website. If that happens, a list
of dated sources would be useful so in the future, information might be aded
without worrying about re-counting everything.
Matt
"Ben Potter" <bpo...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
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Ben Potter
Ben Potter wrote:
You know, the thunderous silence from the creationists on t.o. is
interesting. Funny, when actual data is presented, we don't get any
response. Zoe? Big-Discusser? Sheldon?
Oh well,
Cheers,
Ben
Thomas McDonald
Ben,
To be fair to Zoe, her time seems to be fully taken
up just now in her drive to scientificize a theory
of creation. Now, if she happens to succeed...
:-) BIG fun!.
Tom McDonald
Dunk
(added to header) can help with this.
Dunk
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