Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
Chive Mynde
10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law. The woman is
pregnant, but the court claimed that it could not find enough evidence
to prosecute the man identified as the sexual partner. Feminist
Majority Foundation President called the latest sentencing in Sokoto,
"a symptom of Talibanization and an example of the spread of
fundamentalist extremism."
Sharia was first established in Zamfara state, Nigeria in 2000 and has
since has spread to at least nine other Nigerian states, mostly in the
predominately Islamic north, creating tensions between Christian and
Islamic populations there. For more on sharia in Nigeria and its
affect on women, see previous articles on Feminist News.
Media Resources: LA Times, 10/15/01; BBC News, 10/15/01; Feminist
Majority Foundation
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Michael Snyder
>
> Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
>
> 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
> week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
> having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
> punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
Which also condemns men to the same punishment. People like Chive
love to talk about the execution of women, but if you do a web search
on "Taliban" and "execution", you'll come up with far more instances
of men being executed (including for adultery) than women.
Chive Mynde
> Chive Mynde wrote:
> >
> > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
> >
> > 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
> > week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
> > having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
> > punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
>
> Which also condemns men to the same punishment.
So, Michael Snyder *supports* the execution of men and women
for engaging in pre-marital sex! Why am I not surprised?
How many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
adultery? How many men?
- Chive
Michael Snyder
>
> Michael Snyder <msn...@cygnus.com> wrote in message news:<3BCF1182...@cygnus.com>...
> > Chive Mynde wrote:
> > >
> > > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
> > >
> > > 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
> > > week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
> > > having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
> > > punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
> >
> > Which also condemns men to the same punishment.
>
> So, Michael Snyder *supports* the execution of men and women
> for engaging in pre-marital sex! Why am I not surprised?
Yeah right -- like I really said that. I said it also condemns
men to death, not that I support it.
> How many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
> adultery? How many men?
Do your own search. Mine turned up more men than women.
I'll give you a head start -- go to www.RAWA.org
(the Revolutionary Association of Afghan Women),
and search for "execution" and "adultery".
Mitchell Holman
>Michael Snyder <msn...@cygnus.com> wrote in message
> news:<3BCF1182...@cygnus.com>...
>> Chive Mynde wrote:
>> >
>> > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
>> >
>> > 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
>> > week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
>> > having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
>> > punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
>>
>> Which also condemns men to the same punishment.
>
>So, Michael Snyder *supports* the execution of men and women
>for engaging in pre-marital sex!
Huh? Citing that a law is applied equally does
not mean that it is just, or that you support it.
>Why am I not surprised?
>
Why are you not more informed?
>How many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
>adultery? How many men?
You tell us. You are the one that
is so interested in this barbarity.
Parg2000
>From: chyve...@my-deja.com (Chive Mynde)
>Date: 10/18/01 3:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ccd55c9c.01101...@posting.google.com>
{Parg} He may not want to go there. <G>
Bob
Michael Snyder wrote:
A few years ago in Saudi Arabia they executed the granddaughter of the King
and her lover for adultery. The law isn't discriminatory. Its very much
about honor and protecting the honor of one's family. The real crime is
bringing shame on one's family.
Americans have no families left after 100 years of feminism so the few
Americans have concept of what it would be like to bring shame on one's
family.
Bob
Michael Snyder
To Afghanistan? No, I'll pass. But if you're insinuating that
I can't back up my statement (you snake), you're perfectly well
aware that I already have. I posted a list of articles about
men and women executed by the Taliban for adultery, in which
the men executed clearly outnumbered the women. I'll be happy
to DEJA it up and repost it for you. Here it is:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=jS%25u7.8338%24W11.1830368%40newsrump.sjc.telocity.net
Hombre
| Parg2000 wrote:
| >
| > >Subject: Re: Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
| > >From: chyve...@my-deja.com (Chive Mynde)
| > >Date: 10/18/01 3:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
| > >Message-id: <ccd55c9c.01101...@posting.google.com>
| > >
| > >Michael Snyder <msn...@cygnus.com> wrote in message
| > >news:<3BCF1182...@cygnus.com>...
| > >> Chive Mynde wrote:
| > >> >
| > >> > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
| > >> >
| > >> > 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
| > >> > week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
| > >> > having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
| > >> > punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
| > >>
| > >> Which also condemns men to the same punishment.
| > >
| > >So, Michael Snyder *supports* the execution of men and women
| > >for engaging in pre-marital sex! Why am I not surprised?
And Hive Mind wins the award for lowest level of reading comprehension ever to grace
soc.men.
| > >
| > >How many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
| > >adultery? How many men?
| >
| > {Parg} He may not want to go there. <G>
|
| To Afghanistan? No, I'll pass. But if you're insinuating that
| I can't back up my statement (you snake), you're perfectly well
| aware that I already have. I posted a list of articles about
| men and women executed by the Taliban for adultery, in which
| the men executed clearly outnumbered the women. I'll be happy
| to DEJA it up and repost it for you. Here it is:
|
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=jS%25u7.8338%24W11.1830368%40newsrump.sjc.tel
ocity.net
It doesn't matter how often you post it Michael. Have you read Douglas Adams works?
Well, I believe the third book of the inaccurately named trilogy was the one which
described a form of sunglasses which could sense dangerous situations and responded
by becoming opaque, keeping the wearer calmly ignorant of the danger and saving them
from any mistakes they would have otherwise made out of panic. These were based no
doubt on the glasses doled at at women's expos, only those ones black out at any sign
of critique for feminism. Parg obviously owns a pair.
--
Hombre - Defender of the Universe!
Parg2000
>Americans have no families left after 100 years of feminism so the few
>Americans have concept of what it would be like to bring shame on one's
>family.
{Parg} Speak for yourself, Bob. I have a family....a very happy family.
Perhaps you should get rid of your air compressor and get out some. As to
shame and blame, those emotions are highly over-rated. Love and respect seem
much better building blocks for family life.
>
>Bob
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Michael Snyder
Michael Snyder wrote in message <3BCF6E27...@cygnus.com>...
Well, the link didn't work, so here's the entire article.
Our good friends over in the censored newsgroup SOC.FEMINISM
are fond of moaning about how women in Afghanistan are executed
for adultery. This claim turns out to be exactly like their claim that
a woman is beaten every 15 seconds (omitting to mention that a
man is beaten by his wife every 15 seconds as well). And in fact
it is true that Afghan women are executed for adultery -- just like
Afghan men.
Amnesty international article on the execution of adulterous pair:
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news/awards/print.html
Ten men and four women punished for adultery:
http://www.ccamata.com/april/apr0114.htm
Man executed, woman flogged for adultery:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=217
Ten men and two women lashed for adultery:
http://rawa.org/hang-w.htm
Unmarried couple given 100 lashes each for having sex:
http://rawa.org/lashing3.htm
Man and woman stoned to death for adultery:
http://rawa.org/5days.htm
Men _and_ women shall be stoned to death for adultery:
http://rawa.org/8emarch.htm
Woman and man given 100 lashes on suspicion of adultery:
http://rawa.org/reports.html
Male taxi driver given 100 lashes for adultery:
http://rawa.org/handcut4.htm
It's worth mentioning that while searching for the above articles,
I found numerous others that mentioned only women being
punished for adultery (and other crimes). Since these nine
articles clearly establish that men are punished too, it proves
that all of those other articles that mention only women are biased.
I also found repeated again and again the claim that Afghan
women who were raped might be punished for adultery, but
I did not find a single citation for that actually happening.
AFAICT it is a pure fantasy.
As well, I found numerous statements like "The punishment for
a woman who commits adultery is stoning", conspicuously
failing to mention that the punishment for a man is exactly
the same.
Bob
Parg2000 wrote:
It would if feminists hadn't destroyed most American families. As for respect,
shame is the absence of respect. Bringing shame on your family is destroying
your respect. Funny you say you value respect but argue that destroying it has
little value. We never know what you're arguing for or against. I guess that
goes with the feminist part of your mixed up mind.
[From what's been posted previously it doesn't sound like you do have a family
either. Perhaps its another case of feelings being mixed up with and substituted
for truth. Do you really have any family that you aren't ashamed of already? ]
Bob
The Tank
"Parg2000" <parg...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20011018230603...@mb-cq.news.cs.com...>
> {Parg} Speak for yourself, Bob. I have a family....a very happy family.
How could you possibly have a happy family after the way you your sister
and your mother treated your farther as he lay in his death bed?
> .
> . Love and respect seem much better building blocks for family life.
>
The same love and respect you showed your farther?
Chive Mynde
> Chive Mynde wrote:
>
> > How many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
> > adultery? How many men?
>
> Do your own search. Mine turned up more men than women.
Post the evidence for YOUR claim.
Or retract and admit you were lying, again.
Michael, have you ever told the truth about *anything*?
Ever?
Chive Mynde
> Americans have no families left after 100 years of feminism
There is some truth to the fact that feminism has release women
from the bondage of a love-less marriage. In the US, there
are now free to make choices for themselves, rather than marry
for pre-arranged, financial, or desperate reasons. Yes,
women have more choices, and don't have to rely on men to
support them, so we can only thank feminists for giving
women back the freedom that traditional marriage took away.
Thank you, feminism. You have the made the world a better
place for women.
- Chive
Society
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> Chive Mynde wrote:
> >
> > Michael Snyder noticed...
> > >
> > > Chive Mynde wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
> > > >
> > > > 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in
> > > > northern Nigeria last week sentenced Safiya Hussaini
> > > > Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for having pre-marital
> > > > sex. She is the first woman to receive this punishment
> > > > since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
> > >
> > > Which also condemns men to the same punishment.
> >
> > So, Michael Snyder *supports* the execution of men and women
> > for engaging in pre-marital sex! Why am I not surprised?
>
> Yeah right -- like I really said that. I said it also condemns
> men to death, not that I support it.
Sigh. Well, Michael, all Chive did was demonstrate once
again how the only arguments feminists have are the ones
they make up out of fat air. (Thin air is too insubstantial
for feminist Big Lie purposes.)
--
All excuses for feminism depend on censorship
of reality to appear plausible.
Parg2000
>From: Bob bobx...@hotmail.com
>Date: 10/18/01 9:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3BCFAC13...@hotmail.com>
>
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>Parg2000 wrote:
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>> >Americans have no families left after 100 years of feminism so the few
>> >Americans have concept of what it would be like to bring shame on one's
>> >family.
>>
>> {Parg} Speak for yourself, Bob. I have a family....a very happy family.
>> Perhaps you should get rid of your air compressor and get out some. As to
>> shame and blame, those emotions are highly over-rated. Love and respect
>seem
>> much better building blocks for family life.
>>
>
>It would if feminists hadn't destroyed most American families.
{Parg} You keep saying that, but saying it won't help make it true, Bob.
As for>respect, >shame is the absence of respect. Bringing shame on your
family is destroying your respect. Funny you say you value respect but argue
that destroying it
>has>little value.
{Parg} I have never argued FOR the destruction of respect. Pehaps you're
confused about my position between earned respect and unearned respect.
Bringing shame on your family destroys a family.
Feminism isn't about shame. Therin lies your problem.
We never know what you're arguing for or against. I guess
>that
>goes with the feminist part of your mixed up mind.
{Parg} I'm the one here who's clear, Bob.
I HAVE a family; I HAVE the respect of and for my family. I guess I must
understand after all.
>
>[From what's been posted previously it doesn't sound like you do have a>family
>either. Perhaps its another case of feelings being mixed up with and
>substituted
>for truth. Do you really have any family that you aren't ashamed of already?
{Parg} Yes. There is no reason for me to feel shame; I've raised my children
to be good citizens who contribute to the community. What's to shame? BTW, my
daughter named her car "bob". But then she names everything "bob". <G>
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Deborah Terreson
Hombr...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/18/01 10:39 PM:
The Joo-Jantha 2000 Super Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses!
Ray Fischer
>{Parg} Speak for yourself, Bob. I have a family....a very happy family.
And an active imagination.
--
Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
rfis...@sonic.net into you -- Nietzsche
Bob
The Tank wrote:
She(?) brings shame on her family by the things she says about her father, even
after his death. A daughter who shames her father ought to be an outcast from
decent society. Maybe some of the Moslem moral standards and criminal
punishments have merit after all. Parg is teaching us the wisdom of their
laws.
Bob
Michael Snyder
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> Michael Snyder <msn...@cygnus.com> wrote in message news:<3BCF56C5...@cygnus.com>...
> > Chive Mynde wrote:
> >
> > > How many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
> > > adultery? How many men?
> >
> > Do your own search. Mine turned up more men than women.
>
> Post the evidence for YOUR claim.
[remainder of idiotic ad-hominem attack deleted].
OK, fine. Here. Below are accounts of nine women
and seventeen men being punished for adultery in Afghanistan.
Amnesty international article on the execution of adulterous pair:
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news/awards/print.html
Man executed, woman flogged for adultery:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=217
Ten men and two women lashed for adultery:
http://rawa.org/hang-w.htm
Unmarried couple given 100 lashes each for having sex:
http://rawa.org/lashing3.htm
Man and woman stoned to death for adultery:
http://rawa.org/5days.htm
Men _and_ women shall be stoned to death for adultery:
http://rawa.org/8emarch.htm
Woman and man given 100 lashes on suspicion of adultery:
http://rawa.org/reports.html
Male taxi driver given 100 lashes, woman jailed, for adultery:
http://rawa.org/handcut4.htm
Chive Mynde
> > > > How many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
> > > > adultery? How many men?
> > >
> > > Do your own search. Mine turned up more men than women.
> >
> > Post the evidence for YOUR claim.
>
> OK, fine. Here. Below are accounts of nine women
> and seventeen men being punished for adultery in Afghanistan.
That wasn't what I wrote. You need to go to school and learn
elementary reading comprehension before you post further
nonsense.
Again, how many women have been executed for pre-marital sex and
adultery? How many men?
Until you can substantiate your claim with evidence, you
are merely spouting anti-feminist propaganda...as usual.
Parg2000
>Date: 10/18/01 11:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <QkPz7.10349$os1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>
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>"Parg2000" <parg...@cs.com> wrote in message
>news:20011018230603...@mb-cq.news.cs.com...>
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>> {Parg} Speak for yourself, Bob. I have a family....a very happy family.
>
>How could you possibly have a happy family after the way you your sister
>and your mother treated your farther as he lay in his death bed?
{Parg} You mean by feeding him, tending him, and driving him back and forth to
all his doctor appointments? Yes, we were quite cruel. <G>
>> .
>> . Love and respect seem much better building blocks for family life.
>>
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>The same love and respect you showed your farther?
{Parg} My love for my FATHER went FARTHER than my respect for him, but to one
degree or another he had both my love and my respect. Before he died, my
father said he was sorry for years of sexist bullshit.
We never asked for that apology.
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Bob
Parg2000 wrote:
> {Parg} My love for my FATHER went FARTHER than my respect for him, but to one
> degree or another he had both my love and my respect. Before he died, my
> father said he was sorry for years of sexist bullshit.
> We never asked for that apology.
Does the shame she(?) brings to her fathers house know no bounds?
I can understand his sorrow at his death. It would be a real tragedy to look back
on one's life and know that the legacy that he was leaving for the world was Parg.
Of course he would feel like apologizing and die in sorrow.
To criticize one's father is to criticize one's self. To bring shame to one's
family is to bring shame to one's self. I am sorry for the shame of her(?) father.
Bob
Sky King
@cs.com says...
and all he can think to say is, "Sorry I was a sexist." You are a
fucking joke Parg and I am sure you hated your father just like you do
ALL men. sky
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Parg2000
>Date: 10/19/01 1:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3BD08C3D...@hotmail.com>
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>The Tank wrote:
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>> "Parg2000" <parg...@cs.com> wrote in message
>> news:20011018230603...@mb-cq.news.cs.com...>
>>
>> > {Parg} Speak for yourself, Bob. I have a family....a very happy family.
>>
>> How could you possibly have a happy family after the way you your sister
>> and your mother treated your farther as he lay in his death bed?
>>
>> > .
>> > . Love and respect seem much better building blocks for family life.
>> >
>>
>> The same love and respect you showed your farther?
>
>She(?) brings shame on her family by the things she says about her
father,>even
>after his death.
{Parg} My father would tell you the same information. He was an honest man,
even tho mislead in his need to control women.
A daughter who shames her father ought to be an outcast>from decent society.
{Parg} What about a son? <G> There is nothing at all wrong with exposing
sexism wherever it is found.
Maybe some of the Moslem moral standards and criminal>punishments have merit
after all.
{Parg} Cool. When are you leaving?
Parg is teaching us the wisdom of their
>laws.
{Parg} Well, you'd better hurry before all the Taliban men there are dead, or
forced to serve the feminist organizatio over there....RAWA stands for Right
are women always. <G>
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Parg2000
>Date: 10/19/01 1:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ccd55c9c.0110...@posting.google.com>
{Parg} Indeed. In fact, I'd like to thank those feminist leaders of my own
generation, like Gloria Steinem for books that were inspirational and for
putting themselves out there rather than just enjoying the feminism for
themselves.
Chive Mynde
And, speaking as a man, it's a wonderful thing for women to have
control over their own lives, including their future.
It's too bad soc.men is full of bitter, loney boys (and girls) who
would like to go backwards in time, rather than forward.
One wonders why they continue to infringe their archaic beliefs
on women. Why do they want to control women's lives?
Parg2000
brings to the table. Certainly chattel can do little in that dept., mentally,
spiritually, physically or even economically.
>It's too bad soc.men is full of bitter, loney boys (and girls) who would like
to go backwards in time, rather than forward.
>
{Parg} I know. I must be honest; I don't understand all that, but I suspect
that it is much like a very wise man once said, "all we have to fear, is fear
itself. In fact, I suspect that's what is going on right now all over the
world.
>One wonders why they continue to infringe their archaic beliefs>on women. Why
do they want to control women's lives?
{Parg} Fear of the unknown. Perhaps some of them recognize how women have
been treated are are worried about revenge.
WriterMan2K
>Date: 10/21/2001 12:36 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011021013649...@mb-cp.news.cs.com>
If a woman is both 'free and equal', you can be assured that she won't be
displaying any bravery in events like the terrorist attacks on the World Trade
Center.
> Certainly chattel can do little in that dept.,
>mentally,
>spiritually, physically or even economically.
Does that mean that all you are is chattel, Pargie-POOP? Get on your knees and
bring me my coffee, bitch!
>>It's too bad soc.men is full of bitter, loney boys (and girls) who would
>like
>to go backwards in time, rather than forward.
>>
>{Parg} I know. I must be honest; I don't understand all that, but I
>suspect
>that it is much like a very wise man once said, "all we have to fear, is fear
>itself. In fact, I suspect that's what is going on right now all over the
>world.
Men sure are not afraid of the likes of you, even when you act 'butch'.
>>One wonders why they continue to infringe their archaic beliefs>on women.
>Why
>do they want to control women's lives?
>
>{Parg} Fear of the unknown. Perhaps some of them recognize how women have
>been treated are are worried about revenge.
Perhaps most of us realize just how full of dung you and Chive-chit are.
WriterMan2K
goddess
Amen to that!
> >It's too bad soc.men is full of bitter, loney boys (and girls) who would
like
> to go backwards in time, rather than forward.
> >
> {Parg} I know. I must be honest; I don't understand all that, but I
suspect
> that it is much like a very wise man once said, "all we have to fear, is
fear
> itself. In fact, I suspect that's what is going on right now all over the
> world.
I think so as well. Some are SO afraid of change that they are
*constipated* mentally.
>
> >One wonders why they continue to infringe their archaic beliefs>on women.
Why
> do they want to control women's lives?
>
> {Parg} Fear of the unknown. Perhaps some of them recognize how women
have
> been treated are are worried about revenge.
Could be that.
Marg
Society
news:B7F5C014.46F%fooda...@mediaone.net...
>
> The Joo-Jantha 2000 Super Chromatic
> Peril Sensitive Sunglasses!
Thanks Deb. Hmmm. So Parg and Chive
are provably as stupid as the ravenous
Bugblatter Beast of Trall (sp?), eh?
I'm convinced. ;-)
BTW, Chive's thread title is a MSnomer -- the woman
was sentenced to death for Giving Sex Away, i.e. for
*not* "having sex", having, that is, as in "hoarding" --
if you get my drift.
--
Men are people too.
gregory....@ntlworld.com
Michael Snyder wrote:
>
> Do your own search. Mine turned up more men than women.
> I'll give you a head start -- go to www.RAWA.org
> (the Revolutionary Association of Afghan Women),
> and search for "execution" and "adultery".
They (the Taliban) frequently do their 'executions' in a football
stadium. The RAWA are not too fond of the Jihadis the USA is climbing
into be with it must be said. I've been to Afghanistan by the way
Michael. I was once a trade advisor to the Soviets.
alt.fan.art-bell
alt.religion.wicca
Removed from follow-ups.
--
Respectfully submitted
Gregory
gregory....@ntlworld.com
Michael Snyder wrote:
>
> Chive Mynde wrote:
> >
> > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
> >
> > 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
> > week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
> > having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
> > punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
>
> Which also condemns men to the same punishment. People like Chive
> love to talk about the execution of women, but if you do a web search
> on "Taliban" and "execution", you'll come up with far more instances
> of men being executed (including for adultery) than women.
Taliban can rape who they want if they are ethnic girls. The other side
(Northern Alliance) repeat the abuses in the other direction it must be
said.
--
Respectfully submitted
Gregory
Parg2000
>From: "gregory....@ntlworld.com" gregory....@ntlworld.com
>Date: 10/21/01 9:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3BD2F8C0...@ntlworld.com>
affiliation becomes irrelevant.
>Respectfully submitted
>
>Gregory
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Michael Snyder
gregory....@ntlworld.com wrote in message <3BD2F8C0...@ntlworld.com>...
Tangent. Rape has nothing to do with being executed for adultery.
The implication I am challenging is that women are executed for
adultery and men are not. That implication is false. It is typical of
a feminist propagandist to try to divert attention in this way with
a tangential subject-change when one of their lies is being challenged
successfully.
Michael Snyder
gregory....@ntlworld.com wrote in message <3BD2F85C...@ntlworld.com>...
>
>
>Michael Snyder wrote:
>
>>
>> Do your own search. Mine turned up more men than women.
>> I'll give you a head start -- go to www.RAWA.org
>> (the Revolutionary Association of Afghan Women),
>> and search for "execution" and "adultery".
>
>They (the Taliban) frequently do their 'executions' in a football
>stadium. The RAWA are not too fond of the Jihadis the USA is climbing
>into be with it must be said. I've been to Afghanistan by the way
>Michael. I was once a trade advisor to the Soviets.
Maybe, but you've said precisely nothing about the topic, which
you snipped. The Taliban executions, which frequently take place
in football stadiums, are frequently reported in the western press,
and these reports show that they are more frequently executing
men than women. And that men are just as likely to be executed
for adultery as women, if not more likely. The RAWA site has
many such articles, so you can easily search them for yourself
and verify what I say. RAWA is not likely to be biased toward
my viewpoint, being as it is a *women's* organization.
GodHimself
news:3BD2F85C...@ntlworld.com:
>
>
> Michael Snyder wrote:
>
>>
>> Do your own search. Mine turned up more men than women.
>> I'll give you a head start -- go to www.RAWA.org
>> (the Revolutionary Association of Afghan Women), and search for
>> "execution" and "adultery".
>
> They (the Taliban) frequently do their 'executions' in a football
> stadium. The RAWA are not too fond of the Jihadis the USA is climbing
> into be with it must be said. I've been to Afghanistan by the way
> Michael. I was once a trade advisor to the Soviets.
You're quite the world traveller, aren't you, Greggy? Dealing with the UN,
trade advisor to the Soviets. Amazing! And now, your career has progressed
to a Usenet Moronic Statement Poster(tm)!
Mark Wright
> adultery? How many men?
>
> Until you can substantiate your claim with evidence, you
> are merely spouting anti-feminist propaganda...as usual.
No way dude.
Until you can substantiate your claim (that millions of women have *not*
been executed for pre-marital sex and adultery), you are merely spouting
anti-male propaganda...as usual.
Deborah Terreson
soc...@feminism.is.invalid wrote on 10/21/01 5:27 AM:
> "Deborah Terreson" <fooda...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:B7F5C014.46F%fooda...@mediaone.net...
>>
>> The Joo-Jantha 2000 Super Chromatic
>> Peril Sensitive Sunglasses!
>
> Thanks Deb. Hmmm. So Parg and Chive
> are provably as stupid as the ravenous
> Bugblatter Beast of Trall (sp?), eh?
Got your towel?
>
> I'm convinced. ;-)
>
> BTW, Chive's thread title is a MSnomer -- the woman
> was sentenced to death for Giving Sex Away, i.e. for
> *not* "having sex", having, that is, as in "hoarding" --
> if you get my drift.
I can say it in one word: Roundheels!
Deb.
Chive Mynde
> >Taliban can rape who they want if they are ethnic girls. The other side
> >(Northern Alliance) repeat the abuses in the other direction it must be
> >said.
Correct.
Chive Mynde
> Parg2000 wrote:
> >
> > >Subject: Re: Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
> > >From: chyve...@my-deja.com (Chive Mynde)
> > >Message-id: <ccd55c9c.01101...@posting.google.com>> > >news:<3BCF1182...@cygnus.com>...
> > >> Chive Mynde wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
> > >> >
> > >> > 10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
> > >> > week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
> > >> > having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
> > >> > punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law.
> > >>
> > >> Which also condemns men to the same punishment.
> > >
> > >for engaging in pre-marital sex! Why am I not surprised?
> > >
> > >adultery? How many men?
> >
>
> To Afghanistan? No, I'll pass.
Why? The Taliban shares many of the same, essential anti-feminist
and anti-equality beliefs as you do.
Why not move to Afghanistan, Michael?
And why doesn't Alex Vange move there, too?
Michael Snyder
>
> gregory....@ntlworld.com wrote in message <3BD2F8C0...@ntlworld.com>...
>
> > >Taliban can rape who they want if they are ethnic girls. The other side
> > >(Northern Alliance) repeat the abuses in the other direction it must be
> > >said.
>
> Correct.
And both sides kill far more men than women.
OhSojourner
Post evidence for your claim.
Michael Snyder
>Parg2000 wrote:
>
>> {Parg} My love for my FATHER went FARTHER than my respect for him,
So you didn't love him much either, huh?
Bob
Michael Snyder wrote:
Those who shame their father bring shame to themselves.
Bob
Tony
> Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
<snipped rest of boring article>
Women need to learn to follow the law just like men. After all,
whenever men complain about unjust and unreasonable CS judgements and
laws the >>feminists<< scream "Its the LAW!" Well, it their LAW, in
their country and the women there need to follow it. ITS THE LAW!
--
Tony
Chive Mynde
> chyve...@my-deja.com (Chive Mynde) wrote in message news:<ccd55c9c.01101...@posting.google.com>...
> > Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
>
> <snipped rest of boring article>
Which part was boring? I included the full article at the end
of your boring reply.
> Women need to learn to follow the law just like men.
Nonsense. Unjust laws do not need to be followed.
By anyone.
> After all,
> whenever men complain about unjust and unreasonable CS judgements and
> laws the >>feminists<< scream "Its the LAW!"
What's unjust about men taking responsibility for their
children? Child support is about supporting children.
Do you have any evidence that CS laws are unjust?
> Well, it their LAW, in
> their country and the women there need to follow it. ITS THE LAW!
It's unjust.
Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law. The woman is
pregnant, but the court claimed that it could not find enough evidence
to prosecute the man identified as the sexual partner. Feminist
Majority Foundation President called the latest sentencing in Sokoto,
"a symptom of Talibanization and an example of the spread of
fundamentalist extremism."
Sharia was first established in Zamfara state, Nigeria in 2000 and has
since has spread to at least nine other Nigerian states, mostly in the
predominately Islamic north, creating tensions between Christian and
Islamic populations there. For more on sharia in Nigeria and its
affect on women, see previous articles on Feminist News.
Media Resources: LA Times, 10/15/01; BBC News, 10/15/01; Feminist
Majority Foundation
-
Chive Mynde
Mark, thanks for demonstrating your ignorance.
You cannot prove a negative.
It is the duty of the claimant to substantiate their claims with evidence.
Please get an education, and reply when you have one.
Thanks.
- Chive
Parg2000
>From: "Michael Snyder" msn...@redhat.com
>Date: 10/27/01 7:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <%7AC7.48$0H.1...@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>
>
>
>>Parg2000 wrote:
>>
>>> {Parg} My love for my FATHER went FARTHER than my respect for him,
>
>So you didn't love him much either, huh?
{Parg} You know what they say about never assume?
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The Game Warden
> chyve...@my-deja.com (Chive Mynde) wrote:
>> Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
>
><snipped rest of boring article>
>
> Women need to learn to follow the law just like men. After all,
> whenever men complain about unjust and unreasonable CS judgements and
> laws the >>feminists<< scream "Its the LAW!" Well, it their LAW, in
> their country and the women there need to follow it. ITS THE LAW!
Sorry, son, snagging ain't allowed here. Even if you're just
catchin' trash fish.
Sky King
@cs.com says...
a sexist. Another of her wet dreams. chuckle
sky
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Parg2000
>Date: 10/27/01 7:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3BDAD252...@hotmail.com>
{Parg} Before he died, my father let me know how proud he was of me as well as
my accomplishments. That was satisfying, and he had come to some level of
understanding of the dangers of patriarchy.
>
>Bob
>
>
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>
>
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>
Bob
Parg2000 wrote:
> >From: Bob bobx...@hotmail.com
> >
> >Michael Snyder wrote:
> >
> >> >Parg2000 wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> {Parg} My love for my FATHER went FARTHER than my respect for him,
> >>
> >> So you didn't love him much either, huh?
> >
> >Those who shame their father bring shame to themselves.
>
> {Parg} Before he died, my father let me know how proud he was of me as well as
> my accomplishments. That was satisfying, and he had come to some level of
> understanding of the dangers of patriarchy.
People who shame their fathers bring shame to themselves. Pig doesn't get it. She
continues to attempt to shame her father. The only one really shamed is the Pig
herself.
Bob
Michael Snyder
Mark wrote in message <003914EBC7A...@130.133.1.4>...>news:3BCF1182...@cygnus.com:
>
>> Which also condemns men to the same punishment. People like
>> Chive love to talk about the execution of women, but if you
>> do a web search on "Taliban" and "execution", you'll come up
>> with far more instances of men being executed (including for
>> adultery) than women.
>
>I sayapprently cos it's hard to trust the media on any count
>in this situation.
>
>For example the Nothern allaince prodeced more heroin than the
>Taliban last year. How many reports have you seen admit that
>since the "war" started.
A web search for "taliban" and "execution" will produce
a fair number of articles that give names, places and dates
for specific executions in Afghanistan. By far the majority
will be male victims (even for sexual offenses).
Chive Mynde
> A web search for "taliban" and "execution" will produce
> a fair number of articles that give names, places and dates
> for specific executions in Afghanistan. By far the majority
> will be male victims (even for sexual offenses).
Web search "results" do not evidence, make.
In reality, you are merely lying again.
You have diverted people away from the primary topic --
women getting executed for having sex. Of course,
this is your style. You introduce as much
irrelevancies as possible to avoid having to
discuss the issues. Again, the original post
which you refused to acknowledge:
Nigerian Woman Sentenced to Death for Having Sex
10/17/2001 - An Islamic court in Sokoto state in northern Nigeria last
week sentenced Safiya Hussaini Tungar Dudu to death by stoning for
having pre-marital sex. She is the first woman to receive this
punishment since Sokoto adopted sharia, Islamic law. The woman is
pregnant, but the court claimed that it could not find enough evidence
to prosecute the man identified as the sexual partner. Feminist
Majority Foundation President called the latest sentencing in Sokoto,
"a symptom of Talibanization and an example of the spread of
fundamentalist extremism."
Sharia was first established in Zamfara state, Nigeria in 2000 and has
since has spread to at least nine other Nigerian states, mostly in the
predominately Islamic north, creating tensions between Christian and
Islamic populations there. For more on sharia in Nigeria and its
affect on women, see previous articles on Feminist News.
Media Resources: LA Times, 10/15/01; BBC News, 10/15/01; Feminist
Majority Foundation
-
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Orville Wright
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I have nothing to add, I just noticed the x-posted groups and thought that
this would be a great opportunity to trot out my sig.
Cheers.
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