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Steve T

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Oct 9, 2002, 11:32:26 PM10/9/02
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Looking for recommendations/experiences with either Norton or Powerquest of
the above programs in creating "recovery disks". Do either of these create
onto a cd-r/cd-rw or do they both take up space on your hard drive ? Thank
you, Steve T


Eric Legge

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Oct 10, 2002, 6:37:20 AM10/10/02
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>Subject: Ghost or Drive Image ?
>From: "Steve T" stu...@NOSPAMorBINGOcharter.net
>Date: 09/10/02 20:32 Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <O5e2r2AcCHA.2548@tkmsftngp10>

Steve, you can create a system image and burn it to CD/DVDs with both programs.

Look up Backups on the http://www.langa.com/ site for backup strategies and
backup info.

Langa uses Drive Image to make restorable backups on CDs of his systems.

You can also use the free XXCOPY to clone the system to a different
partition/drive.

USING XXCOPY TO CLONE\BACKUP

A good way to back-up your system is to get a second hard disk of the same or
greater capacity, and use the free XXCopy from http://www.xxcopy.com/ to make a
clone of your system. If the BIOS allows it, you can then set the BIOS to boot
to the alternative drive to run the cloned system, format the drive containing
the defective system, clone the cloned system back to the main drive, set the
BIOS to boot from the main drive, and you are back in business. You can keep
the spare hard disk drive stored in a safe place ready to be reinstalled in an
emergency, or to update the cloned system.

You install XXCopy according to the instructions that come with it. To clone
the C: drive to a D: drive enter the following command in the Start => Run box
-

xxcopy c:\*.* d:\ /clone

It is as simple as that XXCopy will open a DOS window and clone the c: drive to
the other drive specified in the command.

Read the article on how to use XXCopy to clone a system here -

http://www.legge40.freeserve.co.uk/Tips.htm.

See the relevant article on how to install an configure a hard disk drive on
this on this page -

http://www.legge40.freeserve.co.uk/Build3.htm

A clone made with XXCopy is fully accessible via Windows Explorer, so you can
use the free Replicator backup program to run scheduled back-ups of folders on
the new drive to the clone to keep it up to date.

Obtain the Replicator here -

http://www.karenware.com/

The clone is fully bootable. If you can change the boot order in the BIOS to
boot from the secondary drive, you will be able to run the clone as if it were
your main system. If you get a non-system disk message, just change to the c:
drive in DOS mode and use the sys d: command - where d: is now the cloned drive
letter followed by a colon, and the CD-ROM drive has been moved to drive e: -
to copy the DOS boot files to it, and it should work.

Eric,

PC Buyer Beware!

http://www.legge40.freeserve.co.uk/BuyerBeware.htm


Caroline

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Oct 10, 2002, 8:07:31 AM10/10/02
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Hi, I just read your excellent advice to Steve T. I
purchased Drive Image 5.0, but found that it only works on
partitioned hard-drives! I have a 20gig HD and so thought
it would be better to save copy there. You sound like you
know what you are doing - could I ask you for some advice
please? At present I have no backup! Bad I know, but
gave up with DriveImage as did not fully understand what
info it was showing me. Worked out HD should be
partitioned first, although it does not say this on the
box. I don't have external HD so no use using XXCopy, but
see you suggest burning to CD with Drive Image. Can you
give advice on this please? I was told it is not always a
good idea to clone whole (in case there is problem with
original). I can backup individual programs onto CD with
Nero, but what in the main system should I backup using
DriveImage, so I can get the main core of my system
backedup, and then restore indiv programs from CDs?
Hope this makes sense. Any help gratefully received.
Caroline

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Rick Chauvin

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Oct 10, 2002, 8:32:04 AM10/10/02
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If you have a CDRW, then when using DriveImage you actually
choose/select where to save it you will see you can pick your cdrw
drive, and when you do that it will automatically do all the rest
spanning cd's and whatever. Yes all backup software's will need to save
itself to a different partition or separate hard drive which is only
logical because when restoring any backup image file it deletes the
current partition your are restoring, so it can't save a backup image to
that! You little realize the power & flexibility you have with
DriveImage, and imho I like it the best of them all for many reasons.
fyi, even though I have the latest 2002 version, I still use the version
you have v5 because I like the gui much better. imho, don't use the
quick image feature at all and for simplicity sake only use the drive
image dos.

Using any of these backup image programs though is not for beginners
really and requires just a little knowledge to feel confident what you
are doing. I think your version 5 is still under free support so call
them up if you have more questions.

Rick


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PCR

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Oct 10, 2002, 10:47:59 PM10/10/02
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A full system backup should take ten minutes, to HDD, a tad longer to CD. It looks like I will live or die with
http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, which allows a variety of backup strategies. You may clone to HDD or Image to HDD or CD. (You may look into and retrieve individual files within the Image, in Explorer using TBIView, freely downloadable.) You may shrink (or expand) your Windows partition (no data loss), create another, and BU to it. All this, plus the ability to multi-boot, if you wish to do it. It's free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To install & use beyond 30 days, $29.95.

Other possibilities:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/swdl.pl?c=co105&i=co105en&p=hpcdwriter2 Simple Backup
http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator
http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy, free downloads
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy
http://www.zeleps.com/ Free partition re-sizer

All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it. If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a Scandisk/Defrag.

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Thanks & Good Luck,
PCR
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