M/B recommendation for use with 9800 Pro?
Joe
good choice for a new one that will support an Athlon XP chip and will work
well with a powercolor 9800 pro?
NDF
"Joe" <j...@softhome.net> wrote in message
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I have an MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR, which has all the latest features you could
want and it runs great with my Radeon 9800 Pro.
Wayne Youngman
"Joe" wrote
Hi,
I can highly recommend the ABIT NF7-S to you. It's now a legendary mobo,
and also has AWESOME onboard audio system called Soundstorm. I won't go
into to much detail, but suffice is to say that Soundstorm is the *best*
gamers onboard audio solution around, it can do dolby-digital encoding
(ENCODING, not decoding) so that your games will be played back in
Dolby-Digital 5:1 if you have the right Amp+ Speakers.
If onboard audio (sata+ firewire) is not important to you, then grab an ABIT
NF7. . .
The 9800 rocks!
--
Wayne ][
<Sign on door reads: Please Do No Disturb! Pentium 4 assembly in progress!>
Ben Pope
As already posted - I decent nForce2 board.
I have the A7N8X Deluxe.
Ben
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Dark Avenger
> good choice for a new one that will support an Athlon XP chip and will work
> well with a powercolor 9800 pro?
Mmm, I find ASUS a good branch. Make good motherboards, wich runs
stabile and tends to overclock well even!
:-)
They got AGP 8x motherboards in both Intel chipset, Sis Chipsets (
cheaper and still very good ) and I also believe VIA chipsets. So
choice enough!
Wich one you need... well..what do you want on your "pizza" ..heheh...
there is so much choice on what to get, onboard sound, onboard gigabit
network. But there are ofcourse also simple pure "pizzas" with not
much extra features and definitly cheap.
Go Asus...or MSI... or Chaintech... just one of the bigger names in
the computerworld!
If you are truly on budget, ASrock.. the budgetline of Asus!
dino
9600XT...also check out DFI's NF2 boards..they are really getting some good
reviews
Robert P Drake
wrote:
>I've decided to finally get rid of my crap PC Chip's motherboard. What's a
>good choice for a new one that will support an Athlon XP chip and will work
>well with a powercolor 9800 pro?
>
Just don't get an Antec ps with that, they've told me they're
"incompatible".
Mike Moseng
wrote:
>I've decided to finally get rid of my crap PC Chip's motherboard. What's a
>good choice for a new one that will support an Athlon XP chip and will work
>well with a powercolor 9800 pro?
>
Heh! Usually one gets a MB and then finds a suitable graphics gard!
:)
Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>Just don't get an Antec ps with that, they've told me they're
>"incompatible".
Which Antec PSU? I saw someone post that they were told not to use an
Antec 380w that comes in the Sonata case, but somehow I think this
information is bogus. I use a 400w Antec Smartpower with a 9800pro
fine. I've seen people post with Sonmata cases that have no problems
with a 9800pro. Or is it just this make of the 9800pro? If that's the
case then I would keep far away from them.
dino
Chenming 601 AE case with an Enermax 465 with 9600XT..no grief..second is a
Chieftec with an Enermax 465 with a MSI 4200VTD8X-128..rock solid also. So I
would go out on a limb and recommend an empty tower with an Enermax PSU
dino
System 1(my toy)
Chenming 601 AE windowed
Enermax 465 FM
Asus A7N8X-Deluxe Uber Bios 1007
Barton 2500 200x11=XP3200( can run 215X11)
3-256 OCZ PC3200EL
ATI 9600XT
System 2(my game server)
Chieftec Mini Dragon Windowed
Enermax 465FM
DFI AD77 Infinity running RAID 0
Barton 2500 180x11
1-512 Nanya PC2700
MSI Ti4200VTD8X-128
there is many more components..but what you chose makes the difference..do
some research after all the input from here and decide for yourself
Robert P Drake
I got the info from Antec Tech support. Ask them.
SLB
Im running the 9800 pro with a Antec 430 "True Power" and it works
flawless with the card.
Robert P Drake
Antec 380 True Power not 430.
J. Clarke
Bear in mind that the power supply in the Sonata is _not_ the one you buy in
a box--Antec has made some mods on it to make it run quieter.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
John Hall
had a 400 W Antec power supply that failed within six months. Frankly it
looked cheap. I currently have an 550 W Antec True Power supply and it's
sweet. Quiet, cool and not a hiccup.
JK
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Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>I got the info from Antec Tech support. Ask them.
And exactly what did they say? Were they talking about just the
Powercolor version or all 9800pro vid cards? And I've seen this info
before, Antech did'nt say all Antec power supplies, they said the
380w model that comes in the Sonata case. You made it sound like all
Antec psu's which is complete BS.
Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>Antec 380 True Power not 430.
Oh, and now you decide to come out with the truth instead of a
misleading statement.
You said, "Just don't get an Antec ps with that, they've told me
they're "incompatible".". That is a damaging statement and you should
be more preecise in what you say. We still don't know if they are
talking about the Powercolor version of the 9800pro or all versions.
They may simply have said that because the they don't consider the
380w version of the Truepower poweful enough for the 9800pro. But, I
know there are many people with Sonata cases (has 380w Truepower) and
a 9800pro and htey have no problems. This subject needs better
clarification.
Slug
<jcl...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Bear in mind that the power supply in the Sonata is _not_ the one you buy in
>a box--Antec has made some mods on it to make it run quieter.
The only mod I know of is that it has one fan instead of two, and they
may have beefed up the internal heatsink but not sure about that. I
highly doubt the amp ratings are changed at all, which is what would
determine if it is enough PSU for the 9800pro.
Slug
wrote:
>I think there are Antecs, and there are Antecs. A case I bought last year
>had a 400 W Antec power supply that failed within six months. Frankly it
>looked cheap. I currently have an 550 W Antec True Power supply and it's
>sweet. Quiet, cool and not a hiccup.
>
>JK
Anything can fail so that doesn't really say anything. I have a 400w
Smartpower Antec (that's their cheaper line) that came in an Antec
case that I bought and it has been rock solid for two years now. And
that's running a 9800pro right now. I also have a Zalman 400w that
cost me $150.00 CAD and is being used in a less powerful system
because I found the 12v rail was better on the Antec than the Zalman.
Zalman have since beefed up the 12v rail on the new version of the
same PSU. Old model =15amps on the 12v rail, new model has 18amps.
Robert P Drake
Follow the bouncing ball! I'm the one saying that it applies ONLY to
the 380w in the Sonata case, everyone else around here keeps saying
"well, it works fine with my 420w True Power". Who cares if it works
with your other Antec, I'm talking only about the 380w TP.
Robert P Drake
You're an ass. Learn to read.
Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>Follow the bouncing ball! I'm the one saying that it applies ONLY to
>the 380w in the Sonata case,
No you didn't! You made a blanket statement of Antec PSU's. Now I see
in a later post you have said 380w Truepower.
Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:59:45 -0800, Slug <slug@no_email.here> wrote:
>
>You're an ass. Learn to read.
Your *exact* words were, "Just don't get an Antec ps with that,
J. Clarke
You see therein lies the problem. You are making assumptions. Antec
_knows_ what they did to that power supply.
J. Clarke
Did you personally have trouble with a boxed 380w TP? Did Antec say
anything to you specifically about the boxed 380w TP? Or were they just
talking about the Sonata?
Robert P Drake
I asked them if the PS in the Sonata could handle the demands of the
9800Pro, they replied "We could not guarantee the power supply to work
with an ATI 9800 Pro for we have some compatibility issues with it."
They also said it is perfectly within specs that their power supply
deviate +/- 10% on the +12v rails, so I don't exactly trust everything
they tell me (my deviate +/- 7%, even though their website says it
will remain at +/- 3%).
J. Clarke
Is that measured with a meter or the motherboard sensors?
Skid
"Robert P Drake" <skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote in message
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I have and Antec Sonata with a 380 TP and a 9700 Pro. Never had any kind of
problem, despite the fact that the case is jammed with drives and fans.
Fact is, I've never heard any suggestion of any problem with this psu or
compatibility issues with any particular component -- outside this thread,
of course.
I'm not questioning anyone's credibility, but I would appreciate a link to
any forum or website where any sort of confirmation of this alleged problem
can be found. Or even something specific on the type of problem or symptoms
under discussion.
Otherwise, I'm inclined to chalk the whole thing up to miscommunication.
Kev
200w psu's.
But in terms of m/b's, the intel's just seem to be less of a problem.
Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>They also said it is perfectly within specs that their power supply
>deviate +/- 10% on the +12v rails,
10%? I always understood that the spec can't diviate more than +/-5%.
Slug
<jcl...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>You see therein lies the problem. You are making assumptions. Antec
>_knows_ what they did to that power supply.
OK, then what did they change that makes it incompatible with a
9800pro? Funny thing is we have a poster in this thread that says he
has this PSU with a 9700pro and it runs fine. I think my assumption is
correct, even though it's not really an assumption at all because I
have read reviews of the Sonata case and they told the reader the
specs of the PSU.
Robert P Drake
<jcl...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Motherboard sensors.
Robert P Drake
wrote:
I provided a direct quote from Antec in this tread. Don't know why
they'd say it if it wasn't true. I suspect the problem only occurs
with the right combination of PS, the 9800pro and motherboard. I
really didn't provide any additional information that what I quoted.
Robert P Drake
Their website says +/- 3%, but I suspect that's just marketing hype.
Ben Pope
12V is ą10%, 3.3 and 5V are ą5%, AFAIK.
Ben
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Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>I provided a direct quote from Antec in this tread. Don't know why
>they'd say it if it wasn't true. I suspect the problem only occurs
>with the right combination of PS, the 9800pro and motherboard. I
>really didn't provide any additional information that what I quoted.
OK, sorry for giving you a hard time about it. I will email Antec
myself and get clarification, even though this issue doesn't affect
me.
J. Clarke
You might want to check it with a meter--the motherboard sensors are not
famous for their accuracy.
J. Clarke
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:17:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <jcl...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>You see therein lies the problem. You are making assumptions. Antec
>>_knows_ what they did to that power supply.
>
> OK, then what did they change that makes it incompatible with a
> 9800pro?
I have no idea. I don't work for Antec and I have better things to do than
run out and get a Sonata and boxed 380 and take them apart and see what the
differences are.
> Funny thing is we have a poster in this thread that says he
> has this PSU with a 9700pro and it runs fine. I think my assumption is
> correct, even though it's not really an assumption at all because I
> have read reviews of the Sonata case and they told the reader the
> specs of the PSU.
Personally I don't care whether the Sonata does or does not have a problem
with the 9800. My point is that Antec saying that the Sonata has a problem
does not, regardles of its validity, automatically imply that the boxed 380
has the same problem.
Slug
<jcl...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Personally I don't care whether the Sonata does or does not have a problem
>with the 9800. My point is that Antec saying that the Sonata has a problem
>does not, regardles of its validity, automatically imply that the boxed 380
>has the same problem.
Did I say that? Nope.
Slug
wrote:
>12V is ą10%, 3.3 and 5V are ą5%, AFAIK.
>
>Ben
OK, thx. I saw someone post in another group that 13amps on the 12v
rail should be adequate for today's machines. I bought a Zalman 400w
not long ago and it is 15amps on the 12v rail. Zalman decided that
wasn't beefy enough and they have a new version of the same 400w PSU
but with 18amps on the 12v rail. Decent and quiet PSU but it's not
exactly cheap either.
How can I be down
Video= Radeon 9800 pro
Memory= 1gb PC3200 400mhz
SCSI Raid controller= AAA-131u2w raid
drives= 2 36gb 10,000rpm cheetahs Raid 0
SCSI drive controller= 29160
Drives= 4 18.2gb in an external drive cage and
Processor= AMD 2600+ Barton 333mhz
Motherboard= Giga-byte GA-7N400 Pro2 NVIDIA nForceT2 Ultra 400 this board
kick ass Highly recommended
Onboard= 10/100/1000 NIC - 6 channel sound
CD/DVD= SCSI yamaha Burner, SCSI pioneer DVD reader, and Liteon IDE 4x DVD +
and - burner
"Joe" <j...@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> I've decided to finally get rid of my crap PC Chip's motherboard. What's a
> good choice for a new one that will support an Athlon XP chip and will
work
> well with a powercolor 9800 pro?
>
>
dino
Robert P Drake
wrote:
>Slug wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:47:10 GMT, Robert P Drake
>> <skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> They also said it is perfectly within specs that their power supply
>>> deviate +/- 10% on the +12v rails,
>>
>> 10%? I always understood that the spec can't diviate more than +/-5%.
>
>12V is ą10%, 3.3 and 5V are ą5%, AFAIK.
Go have a look:
http://www.antec-inc.com/specs/true380_spe.html
12v is +/- 3% unless I'm misreading it.
Robert P Drake
Can you let me know what they say?
Robert P Drake
<jcl...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Robert P Drake wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:49:29 GMT, SLB <laker...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:11:08 -0800, Slug <slug@no_email.here> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:13:11 GMT, Robert P Drake
>>>><skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Just don't get an Antec ps with that, they've told me they're
>>>>>"incompatible".
>>>>
>>>>Which Antec PSU? I saw someone post that they were told not to use an
>>>>Antec 380w that comes in the Sonata case, but somehow I think this
>>>>information is bogus. I use a 400w Antec Smartpower with a 9800pro
>>>>fine. I've seen people post with Sonmata cases that have no problems
>>>>with a 9800pro. Or is it just this make of the 9800pro? If that's the
>>>>case then I would keep far away from them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Im running the 9800 pro with a Antec 430 "True Power" and it works
>>>flawless with the card.
>>
>>
>> Antec 380 True Power not 430.
>
>Bear in mind that the power supply in the Sonata is _not_ the one you buy in
>a box--Antec has made some mods on it to make it run quieter.
And one Antec 380S isn't the same as another 380S. I bought two, and
the power supplies are actually different (one has extra connectors
for an SATA drive and looks different too).
Slug
>that is why I bought Enermax..33 amp on the 12
>
I used to have an Enermax365 and it caused me major grief so I got a
400w Antec and never had a problem again. Maybe I just got a duff one
though. Which model you talking about that has 33A on the 12v rail?
I'm looking at the specs on the 465 right now and it is 18amps on the
12v rail.
Slug
<skull&bo...@bush.net> wrote:
>Can you let me know what they say?
Will do. I just sent them an email asking for clarification.
Slug
<smo...@myhooptie.com> wrote:
>Here is what I'm running with only a 300watt power supply
>
>
>Video= Radeon 9800 pro
>Memory= 1gb PC3200 400mhz
>SCSI Raid controller= AAA-131u2w raid
>drives= 2 36gb 10,000rpm cheetahs Raid 0
>SCSI drive controller= 29160
>Drives= 4 18.2gb in an external drive cage and
>Processor= AMD 2600+ Barton 333mhz
>Motherboard= Giga-byte GA-7N400 Pro2 NVIDIA nForceT2 Ultra 400 this board
>kick ass Highly recommended
>Onboard= 10/100/1000 NIC - 6 channel sound
>CD/DVD= SCSI yamaha Burner, SCSI pioneer DVD reader, and Liteon IDE 4x DVD +
>and - burner
What brand of PSU? Not all 300W PSU's are created equal.
dino
on the website and the supposed"specs" stamped on the side of my newer
one..they differ...hmmm..but I will say this....when I put in my first one
on my power hungry MSI Kt400 board..what a difference it made...my CPU fan
used to slow down on reboot or games launching till I switched it up..but it
is just another of those preference things that tends to happen.
http://www.enermax.com.tw/product-01.htm
maybe I have misread..or looked in the wrong spot..but these are the 2 I
have...so which is right...the top or bottom chart?..and remember the one
spot says (250W model)..and that says greater than or equal too..for 250
watt
dino
Monitor Series i have 2 of the EG465P-VE FM PSU's....the link I pasted is
just generic...sorry no help for it.
Slug
wrote:
>12V is ą10%, 3.3 and 5V are ą5%, AFAIK.
>
>Ben
Someone posted this in the Abit group.
ATX 2.1 specs are as follows:
-5 10%
-12 10%
+5 5%
+12 5%
+3.3 4%
+5vsb 5%
Slug
OK, I see where it says 33amps now. I wonder how accurate those
numbers are though. As I said, I had problems with the 365P and it
shows 26amps. How come my Zalman with only 15amps doesn't give me any
issues but the Enermax did?
dino
started getting random reboots on my other system after putting my old
Ti4200 in it..so I went and bought the 2nd Enermax and problem solved.
How can I be down
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Ben Pope
That's what Antec say their PSU is, not what the ATX spec says it needs to
be.
ATX Spec 2.2:
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx2_2.pdf ('03-'04)
+5VDC ą 5 %
-5VDC (if used) ą 10 %
+12VDC ą 5 %
-12VDC ą 10 %
+3.3VDC ą 5 %
+5VSB ą 5 %
ATX Spec 2.1 (June '02):
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx2_1.pdf
+5VDC ą 5 %
-5VDC (if used) ą 10 %
+12VDC ą 5 %
-12VDC ą 10 %
+3.3VDC ą 4 %
+5VSB ą 5 %
ATX Spec 2.01 (Feb '97):
ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/atx_201.pdf
+5 VDC ą 5%
-5 VDC ą 5%
+12 VDC ą 5%
-12 VDC ą 5%
+3.3 VDC ą 4%
+5VSB ą 5%
ATX12V Power Supply Design Guide Version 2.0 ('03-'04)
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/ATX12V%20PSDG2.0%20Ratified.pdf
+12V1DC ą5%
+12V2DC ą5% (1)
+5VDC ą5%
+3.3VDC ą5% (2)
-12VDC ą10%
+5VSB ą5%
(1) At +12 VDC peak loading, regulation at the +12 VDC output can go to ą
10%.
(2) Voltage tolerance is required at main connector and S-ATA connector (if
used).
ATX12V Power Supply Design Guide Version 1.3 (April '03)
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/ATX12V_1_3dg.pdf
+12VDC ą5% (1)
+5VDC ą5%
+3.3VDC ą5% (2)
-12VDC ą10%
+5VSB ą5%
(1) At +12 VDC peak loading, regulation at the +12 VDC output can go to ą
10%.
(2) Voltage tolerance is required at main connector and S-ATA connector (if
used).
So thats nice and clear/consistent.
Notice that in the change from 1.3 to 2.0 of the PSU design guide, a second
12V rail has been introduced with tighter regulation. The ATX Spec 2.2
references the ATX PSU design guide 2.0, but only specifies one of these
rails.
Also, it seems that according to the PSU design guide, 10% is ok when you're
near your limit. Seems to me that a given tolerance is a given tolerance,
not sure why it should change when fully loaded - the same limits should
apply.
Lets assume everything useful (+3.3V, +5V, +12V, +5VSB) at ą5% and the
negative ones (5V, 12V) at ą 10% (since they're generally not used and
therefore unloaded)
Slug
I guess it may have been bad, but read the below text. This reviewer
had the exact same problem with the same Enermax PSU. My vid card at
the time was an R8500 too, as his was. I never did get my Enermax
replaced. Just went out and bought an Antec and let the Enermax
collect dust in the basement. I have two PC's here and one is using
400w Antec and my designed to be quiet PC is using a 400w Zalman.
Both have stable voltages but the Antec is a bit better than the
Zalman on the +12v line. The Enermax 365 cost me $65.00 CAD, the
Zalman $150.00 CAD, I think you get what you pay for. Enermax may have
improved a lot since 2 years ago but I take their 33amps on the +12v
line with a grain of salt. That's my take on it anyway.
http://www.gamingin3d.com/articles/ps_roundup/main.shtml
Jeez, Louise! What's with the Enermax powersupplies? There's a hefty
drop on the 12V lines under load, with respective increases on the 5V
lines. They both pass within +/- 10% limit, both not my preferred
"high-quality" +/- %5 limit.
In comparison, the Zalman/Nexus duo barely break a sweat under load.
The Zalman has a SLIGHTLY better 12V line... but the difference isn't
worth writing home about. Both of them have all their lines fall
within +/- 5% of the respective line's spec, so stability issues due
to under or over voltage should be non-existent.
(side note: while the Enermax powersupplies may seem a bit weak in
comparison, they're still better than the average generic powersupply.
I used the same test on an old generic 250W I had lying around, and
the thing dipped below 10.7V on the 12V line! That's just
unacceptable...)
Another note on the Enermax powersupplies: while it seems the
newer-yet-lower-end 365 model beats down the discontinued 451 in every
conceivable way, there is a problem with it... or at least the one I
have on hand. The problem is with certain video cards. For example, if
I use my Radeon 8500 with the 365, the system will crash whenever I
try to start a game. Annoying to say the least.
You think that's the end of the Enermax story? I wish. I've been
trying to get it replaced (since it has a 2 year warranty...
supposedly), but the retailer I got it from said they only covered it
for the first year. The second year is through Enermax... Yah. Right.
Their website says to either contact the retailer (which is obviously
not an option), or if that fails, a "branch office or agent in your
area". Well, I tried all those offices and agents. Everyone of them
gave me the run-around. They would either tell me to call someone
else, that the drives are only covered for 1 year (it says 24 months
right on the box... last time I checked, that equals 2 years), or they
would tell me "we don't deal with end users". Now I'm stuck with a
problematic $50 powersupply that's under warranty, but no one will
warranty it.
Slug
insides of the Zalman compared to the Enermax.