--
@==================================================@
| Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc. <dalton...@hwcn.org> |
| Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ag775/home.html |
| Guardian Angel of Jack's Rooftop Telescope |
| and Samantha's "Cute Little Tanktop Number" |
| Family Motto: Virtute Acquiritur Honos |
| Rocky audits the puce amethyst and the |
| vacillating password file. FNORD! |
@==================================================@
--
+[ Tr/\cer ]+
"Dalton Spence" <ag...@james.hwcn.org> wrote in message news:965cau$q...@james.hwcn.org...
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:53:24 -0000, "Tracer" <m...@neverwere.com.co.uk.etc>
wrote:
> What is your purpose?
Either fanfic or roleplaying; I'm not sure which right now.
> Do you know how to build a functioning one? :)
<snort> Don't I wish! No, what I'm trying to do is determine what
kind of vehicles and equipment could be sent through a Stargate in
support of an ongoing mission. A humvee? A Heavy Logistics Vehicle
Wheeled (truck)? An APC? A tank? Heavy ccnstruction equipment? A
racked ISO cargo container towed by one of the above? I'm assuming
there is a hidden freight elevator somewhere off-camera that has
access to the gateroom; otherwise how could the Gate have been put
there in the first place. It could also explain the inspiring but
inefficient tableau of armed men that greets incoming travellers;
permanent emplacements would make it difficult for large vehicles to
turn and face the ramp.
--
@==================================================@
| Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc. <dalton...@hwcn.org> |
| Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ag775/home.html |
| Guardian Angel of Jack's Rooftop Telescope |
| and Samantha's "Cute Little Tanktop Number" |
| Family Motto: Virtute Acquiritur Honos |
| You must meet Sir Paul at the best place |
| possible and get the ostrich. FNORD! |
@==================================================@
Dalton Spence wrote:
>
> <snort> Don't I wish! No, what I'm trying to do is determine what
> kind of vehicles and equipment could be sent through a Stargate in
> support of an ongoing mission. A humvee? A Heavy Logistics Vehicle
> Wheeled (truck)? An APC? A tank? Heavy ccnstruction equipment? A
> racked ISO cargo container towed by one of the above? I'm assuming
> there is a hidden freight elevator somewhere off-camera that has
> access to the gateroom; otherwise how could the Gate have been put
> there in the first place. It could also explain the inspiring but
> inefficient tableau of armed men that greets incoming travellers;
> permanent emplacements would make it difficult for large vehicles to
> turn and face the ramp.
Well, if it were a missile silo, they would have had a hole in the top
to let the missile out. They could have lowered it down with a crane or
something. Now, I wouldn't say the same about a tank. Also, any
petrol-driven vehicle is going to create a lot of smoke and the gateroom
is an enclosed space...
Do you need exact size or can you do with an approximate?
S.J. Crocker <sj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3A8BAFD7...@cam.ac.uk...
I doubt very much that an M1 Abrams would:
A. be able to get into the gate room.
B. fit through the gate
You *might* get an A-1 Cobra through the gate (RB, a little help
here) but again, getting it in the gate room would seem to be a
problem.
__!_!__
Gizmo
>Digger wrote in message
><3a8bb941$0$6548$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>...
>>In the book "Rebellion" they had transported dozers, tanks and
>even a heap
>>of choppers.
Did they take the blades of the dozers? If so that would be no
problem. I can't think of any tank that would fit through the gate.
>
>I doubt very much that an M1 Abrams would:
>
>A. be able to get into the gate room.
They could always take it somewhere else if they needed to.
>
>B. fit through the gate
No way, not even with a shoe horn. :)
>
>You *might* get an A-1 Cobra through the gate (RB, a little help
>here) but again, getting it in the gate room would seem to be a
>problem.
Most of my helo experience is with Pavelows and Jolly greens
(both of which are a bit bigger!), but you might get a cobra through.
You might have to take off the skids and rotor/drive shaft to get it
through though. It would definitiely be tight. It's thin enough, but
it is taller than it looks, and you don't really want to try to wedge
it through. :)
You definitely couldn't have that radar they mount above the
rotor on there (or is that the Apache or Camanche? I can never keep
those Army birds straight).
I think they would have a hard time getting a humvee through
the thing, although I don't know the exact dimensions of the gate.
They might squeeze it through. The old jeeps we had before the Humvee
would be no problem.
As far as armored vehicles go, I'd be surprised if they could
even get the little armored cars USAF security uses through the gate
(too tall). They might be better off using the armored Mercedes or
BMWs that some special ops forces use for anti-terrorism duty. It's
basically a good looking tank with gun ports and all, but small enough
to easily fit through the gate. Of course, they aren't designed for
off road use. Those little S-10 pickups that the SPs like mounting .50
cals and grenade launchers on would be good for broken ground.
Ranger Bob
"Only the Americans could build a place like this out in the jungle...Only the Americans would want to."
If you want to know the dimensions, I suggest you get a photo of the
StarGate with RDA (or someone) next to it. Find RDA's (or someone's) height
and then work out the height of the StarGate, then you can have an
approximate size.
Ranger Bob <bt...@att.net> wrote in message
news:3a8c4f27...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
>>In the book "Rebellion" they had transported dozers, tanks and
>>even a heap of choppers.
Wasn't that based off the movie?
>I doubt very much that an M1 Abrams would:
>
>A. be able to get into the gate room.
>
>B. fit through the gate
Yeah, the Abrams is *huge*. There's no way you could get it through the
stargate unless it was in bits, which is a logistical nightmare and
pointless. A Death Glider would turn it into very expensive scrap.
In RL the tank is nothing more then a status symbol anyway IMHO.
>You *might* get an A-1 Cobra through the gate (RB, a little help
>here) but again, getting it in the gate room would seem to be a
>problem.
At a *very* rough guess...
Since you can comfortably get four people to stand side my side, then
I'm guessing the ramp is three metres wide. So I think you could just
about get a Hummer through, but it would be a bit tight, and there's no
way you're getting a Bradley through. It might just be able to get a
LAV 25 though, but I think I'm pushing it.
You might possibly get a SeaCobra through, since it's designed to be
stored on ships, but it's length would be a big headache for anyone
handling it.
--
/` |_ . _ _ ,_ _ aka Mr Kristen Steward BSc (Hons) AstPhys
\, | | | ||| (/, | /~\ chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk
"... Twelve months into the new millenium, a leader will step down,
and the village idiot will take his place... " Nostrodamus
It continues from the film.
How about a little lateral thinking...
Move the stargate so that it's horizontal, then lower the Seacobra (pointing
down) through from the door in the roof of the silo...
Mike
(I always think that the movie stargate looks enormous when they raise it
out of the desert, but it looks much the same as the series in the gate
room.)
>Guys, I'm just telling you what was in the book I didn't write it. The
>hows and whys I don't know.
We weren't dissing you, we were just trying to answer the original
question. :)
>If you want to know the dimensions, I suggest you get a photo of the
>StarGate with RDA (or someone) next to it. Find RDA's (or someone's) height
>and then work out the height of the StarGate, then you can have an
>approximate size.
That would work, if I had a picture and his height. I'm sure there is
someone somewhere who has already figured it out. I'll just wait for
them to tell us. :)
>Gizmo_Goddard <marka...@worldnet.att.net> daubed in large,
>threatening, letters across the padded walls of their cell:
>>I doubt very much that an M1 Abrams would:
>>
>>A. be able to get into the gate room.
>>
>>B. fit through the gate
>
>Yeah, the Abrams is *huge*. There's no way you could get it through the
>stargate unless it was in bits, which is a logistical nightmare and
>pointless. A Death Glider would turn it into very expensive scrap.
>
>In RL the tank is nothing more then a status symbol anyway IMHO.
Well, we were really happy to see those 'status symbols' when
they arrived in the gulf. Before that, I hated every minute I was on
the ground there.
>At a *very* rough guess...
>
>Since you can comfortably get four people to stand side my side, then
>I'm guessing the ramp is three metres wide. So I think you could just
>about get a Hummer through, but it would be a bit tight, and there's no
>way you're getting a Bradley through. It might just be able to get a
>LAV 25 though, but I think I'm pushing it.
The problem with the LAV 25 would be the height, especially
since th eramp is there. You can't get rid of the ramp because there
will be one on the other side if it is vertical.
>
>You might possibly get a SeaCobra through, since it's designed to be
>stored on ships, but it's length would be a big headache for anyone
>handling it.
It's the same size as an Army cobra isn't it?
>How about a little lateral thinking...
>Move the stargate so that it's horizontal, then lower the Seacobra (pointing
>down) through from the door in the roof of the silo...
>Mike
The only problem will be what happens on the other side. If
the receiving gate is vertical, then the Helo will fall as soon as it
gets through the gate. You could suspend the gate horizontally, but
then the helo just falls to the ground. Either way, you probably have
damage.
It's all pretty academic since, in this case, a cobra would
not be a good use of assets anyway. They are high maintenance, high
fuel consumption birds (all helicopters are). Ultra lights would be
cheaper, easier to maintain, and would use little fuel, but of course
would have little staying power or firepower in a fight (observation
only, which we already have with the unmanned craft the SGC uses). I
don't see any reason for either of them. If you can't get an F-16 or
something else that might have a chance against a death glider, then
why bother?
Group: alt.tv.stargate-sg1 Date: Wed, Feb 14, 2001, 11:53pm (CST+1)
From: ag...@james.hwcn.org (Dalton Spence)
The new AH64D Longbow Apache has the mast-mounted radar...
The OH-58D's have a mast-mounted sight also.
> I think they would have a hard time getting a humvee through
> the thing, although I don't know the exact dimensions of the gate.
> They might squeeze it through. The old jeeps we had before the Humvee
> would be no problem.
> As far as armored vehicles go, I'd be surprised if they could
> even get the little armored cars USAF security uses through the gate
> (too tall). They might be better off using the armored Mercedes or
> BMWs that some special ops forces use for anti-terrorism duty. It's
> basically a good looking tank with gun ports and all, but small enough
> to easily fit through the gate. Of course, they aren't designed for
> off road use. Those little S-10 pickups that the SPs like mounting .50
> cals and grenade launchers on would be good for broken ground.
Or the Cadillac-Gage Commando Scout...little 2 or 3 man AC typically armed
with a 20mm or TOW...
--
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge
"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy
Bv-206's are also already in the Military system (aka "SUSV" or "Small Unit
Support Vehicles"), light weight, designed to be lifted by helicopter (or
crane), and can handle arctic cold and summer heat.
Good fuel consumption (diesel) and rubber tracks...
There's and armored variant...not sure of weight
picture:
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/vehicles/hagglunds/hagglunds3.htm
l
blurb:
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/vehicles/hagglunds/index.html
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/susv.htm
http://www.haggve.se/readmore.asp?Pid=5&id=27 check out the brochure for
specifications.
http://www.haggve.se/readmore.asp?Pid=5&id=26
--
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge
"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy
"S.J. Crocker" <sj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3A8BAFD7...@cam.ac.uk...
>
>
It's only small compared to a tank...
--
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge
"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy
"chimera" <chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:LGQ$4XAKmF...@groundspring.demon.co.uk...
With this thread in mind, I prepared a couple of crude
representations of the stargate to sketch standing figures on while
watching Window of Opportunity tonight. While sketching, I noticed that
the apparent size of the gate seemed to change throughout the episode.
There was one shot of Jack and Teal'c near the gate at the beginning
that suggested that the gate on that planet could have been about
twenty-five to thirty feet tall. Later in the episode, there was a shot
of the team emerging from the event horizon and in relation to them in
this scene I say that that same gate looked to be only about fifteen
feet tall. The difference in the apparent size was due to the camera
angle and the position of the actors in relation to the camera and the
gate. The camera was low and close to the actors during the second of
these two scenes.
The kind of scene that would be the best to use for determining the
size of the gate would be one where the point of view is in the control
room and you could see the entire gate (and ramp) with people standing
upright next to the gate.
Mike
Isn't there two? The one they use in the base set, and the one they
use for location shooting (or in other sets).
I thought the second one was a little smaller.
Nick
No I confess I haven't, I've only seen a few pictures.
>It's only small compared to a tank...
Oh, fair enough, my mistake.
>> Those little S-10 pickups that the SPs like mounting .50
>> cals and grenade launchers on would be good for broken ground.
>
>Or the Cadillac-Gage Commando Scout...little 2 or 3 man AC typically armed
>with a 20mm or TOW...
I thought the American services never used it, and C-G produced it for
export?
>> >>In the book "Rebellion" they had transported dozers, tanks and
>> >>even a heap of choppers.
>>
>> Wasn't that based off the movie?
>
>It continues from the film.
Maybe it's just my imagination, but hasn't it shrunk?
Also, it's probably not too expensive (base model).
--
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge
"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy
"chimera" <chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:RIYb8$A4puj...@groundspring.demon.co.uk...
If you want to make sure, go to this site (http://www.p3x595.com/) it has
heaps of screen captures from the TV series.
I'd be interested to know what others come up with.
http://www.tacom.army.mil/LAV/usmc/vehdata/usmcfr.htm
-- pictures and info....
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge
"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy
"chimera" <chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:doYY0zA6...@groundspring.demon.co.uk...
I seem to remember the outer diameter being stated as being close to
22 feet. That's not that far off from your estimate.
I have book marked that site and I'll take a good look at those
pictures.
Mike
In the August 2000 issue of SFX magazine an article on Stargate-SG1
stated that the gate was 20 feet high and weighed over a ton and a
half.
--
Gareth Kitchener
Bedfordshire, England.
http://www.garethkitchener.com
[Tanks could never fit though a stargate]
>>Yeah, the Abrams is *huge*. There's no way you could get it through the
>>stargate unless it was in bits, which is a logistical nightmare and
>>pointless. A Death Glider would turn it into very expensive scrap.
>>
>>In RL the tank is nothing more then a status symbol anyway IMHO.
>
> Well, we were really happy to see those 'status symbols' when
>they arrived in the gulf. Before that, I hated every minute I was on
>the ground there.
The problem is that the tank is now vulnerable to gunships and infantry
all thanks to the anti-tank missile and artillery bombardment.
>>At a *very* rough guess...
>>You might possibly get a SeaCobra through, since it's designed to be
>>stored on ships, but it's length would be a big headache for anyone
>>handling it.
>It's the same size as an Army cobra isn't it?
I always thought it was redesigned with not only two engines (because
the Marines didn't want to trust a one engined craft over water) but it
was also smaller. But on closer examination the SeaCobra is the same
height and actually longer. ::sigh:: I'm not doing well today :^)
Properly employed (using night attacks, infantry to keep other infantry
away, proper use of terrain for cover and concealment), a tank comes into
it's own.
In close terrain, like forests, susceptibility to aircraft, ATGM's, and
artillery is reduced...and so is the range advantage of the big gun on a
tank along with its maneuverability.
An exception was the M551A1 Sheridan's...one of the few "tanks" that MIGHT
fir through the tank. Of course, the armor's worse than the
Bradley's....but it is amphibious and has a nifty 152mm APERS shell...
--
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge
"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy
"chimera" <chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m5iGQZCT...@groundspring.demon.co.uk...
>Ranger Bob <bt...@att.net> daubed in large, threatening, letters across
>the padded walls of their cell:
>>On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:34:50 +0000, chimera
>><chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Gizmo_Goddard <marka...@worldnet.att.net> daubed in large,
>>>threatening, letters across the padded walls of their cell:
>
>[Tanks could never fit though a stargate]
>
>>>Yeah, the Abrams is *huge*. There's no way you could get it through the
>>>stargate unless it was in bits, which is a logistical nightmare and
>>>pointless. A Death Glider would turn it into very expensive scrap.
>>>
>>>In RL the tank is nothing more then a status symbol anyway IMHO.
>>
>> Well, we were really happy to see those 'status symbols' when
>>they arrived in the gulf. Before that, I hated every minute I was on
>>the ground there.
>
>The problem is that the tank is now vulnerable to gunships and infantry
>all thanks to the anti-tank missile and artillery bombardment.
>
Tanks were vulnerable to infantry and artillery even in WWI
when they were invented. Even the massive and excellent German tanks
of WWII were vulnerable to determined infantry. The Americans at
Bastogne and the Brits at Arnhem proved that. That's why it has always
been SOP to accomplany tanks with mechanized infantry.
The difference today is that we can hit them with greater
accuracy with a TOW or some similar weapon. That doesn't make tanks
obsolete, it just means that they aren't omnipotent. Of course they
never were. And the best weapon for use against a tank is still
another tank.
>Tanks are always vulnerable...unsupported.
>
>Properly employed (using night attacks, infantry to keep other infantry
>away, proper use of terrain for cover and concealment), a tank comes into
>it's own.
>
>In close terrain, like forests, susceptibility to aircraft, ATGM's, and
>artillery is reduced...and so is the range advantage of the big gun on a
>tank along with its maneuverability.
You said that so much better than I did!
>An exception was the M551A1 Sheridan's...one of the few "tanks" that MIGHT
>fir through the tank.
I assume you meant fit through the gate...:)
Kitty
"Eep²" <e...@tnlc.com> wrote in message news:3A8F57A5...@tnlc.com...
Kitty
"Dalton Spence" <ag...@james.hwcn.org> wrote in message
news:965cau$q...@james.hwcn.org...
> In order to determine the dimesions of Stargate capable vehicles I
> need the width of the ramp and the inner diameter of the Stargate
> itself. Inner and outer ring diameters would also be usedful, but
> not essential for my purpose. Does anyone have this information?
>
> --
> @==================================================@
> | Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc. <dalton...@hwcn.org> |
> | Home Page: http://www.hwcn.org/~ag775/home.html |
> | Guardian Angel of Jack's Rooftop Telescope |
> | and Samantha's "Cute Little Tanktop Number" |
> | Family Motto: Virtute Acquiritur Honos |
> | Rocky audits the puce amethyst and the |
> | vacillating password file. FNORD! |
> @==================================================@
A good condition Sheridan is fast, mobile, and can be nasty against ground
troops or tanks...