Anyone seen the HSN new website?
Chris << CTM >>
the name is now trademarked) website. What do you guys think? It's at
www.hypertrophy-specific.com
Chris
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dahammel
"Chris << CTM >>" <cman...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sl5a9u88d31v7fh95...@4ax.com...
> I saw that Bryan has started up a hypertrophy specific training (which
> the name is now trademarked) website. What do you guys think? It's at
> www.hypertrophy-specific.com
>
>
> Chris
As far as information goes, there is nothing much "new" there except for the
pretty page lay-out and the online products. I hope he expands his articles
to include more info or sample routines using the HST principles.
I also hope he opens a different format of forum than on Thinkmuscle, as too
many people post there who don't even bother to read the articles, and you
pretty much have to scroll through the crap to get to the stuff you want to
read. Maybe he needs a newsgroup...misc.fitness.hst
d.
Chris << CTM >>
<dahammel"nospam"@yahoo.com> spoke to us and thus said:
>>
>>"Chris << CTM >>" <cman...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:sl5a9u88d31v7fh95...@4ax.com...
>>> I saw that Bryan has started up a hypertrophy specific training (which
>>> the name is now trademarked) website. What do you guys think? It's at
>>> www.hypertrophy-specific.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>>
>>As far as information goes, there is nothing much "new" there except for the
>>pretty page lay-out and the online products. I hope he expands his articles
>>to include more info or sample routines using the HST principles.
~~I'm just hoping he doesn't pull a Bill Phillips and use a good
program to whore out supplements.
>>
>>I also hope he opens a different format of forum than on Thinkmuscle, as too
>>many people post there who don't even bother to read the articles, and you
>>pretty much have to scroll through the crap to get to the stuff you want to
>>read. Maybe he needs a newsgroup...misc.fitness.hst
~~Or maybe a mod. to clear out the junk posts.
Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>d.
Lyle McDonald
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:04:48 GMT, "dahammel"
> <dahammel"nospam"@yahoo.com> spoke to us and thus said:
>
> >>
> >>"Chris << CTM >>" <cman...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:sl5a9u88d31v7fh95...@4ax.com...
> >>> I saw that Bryan has started up a hypertrophy specific training (which
> >>> the name is now trademarked) website. What do you guys think? It's at
> >>> www.hypertrophy-specific.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>As far as information goes, there is nothing much "new" there except for the
> >>pretty page lay-out and the online products. I hope he expands his articles
> >>to include more info or sample routines using the HST principles.
>
> ~~I'm just hoping he doesn't pull a Bill Phillips and use a good
> program to whore out supplements.
It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
Trust me on this.
Lyle
Chris << CTM >>
spoke to us and thus said:
>>"Chris << CTM >>" wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:04:48 GMT, "dahammel"
>>> <dahammel"nospam"@yahoo.com> spoke to us and thus said:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>"Chris << CTM >>" <cman...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >>news:sl5a9u88d31v7fh95...@4ax.com...
>>> >>> I saw that Bryan has started up a hypertrophy specific training (which
>>> >>> the name is now trademarked) website. What do you guys think? It's at
>>> >>> www.hypertrophy-specific.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Chris
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>As far as information goes, there is nothing much "new" there except for the
>>> >>pretty page lay-out and the online products. I hope he expands his articles
>>> >>to include more info or sample routines using the HST principles.
>>>
>>> ~~I'm just hoping he doesn't pull a Bill Phillips and use a good
>>> program to whore out supplements.
>>
>>It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
>>Trust me on this.
~~Sure thing. Just in reading Bryan's stuff as compared to Phillip's
you get the feeling that Bryan's character is better. Especially since
Bryan's system involved research, while Bill's was: eat less, workout
more, lose weight,basic fundamental things wrapped in a pretty box.
The HSN labeled supplements is what made me wonder, but I'm thinking
now it was just a good marketing idea.
Chris
>>
>>Lyle
Mark Hartman
news:3C955868...@onr.com...
>
> It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
> Trust me on this.
>
> Lyle
>
What sets his sups apart from the others?
Mark
Chris << CTM >>
~~I haven't looked at the sups, but what Lyle was getting at is that
Bryan's routine is not just a basic run of the mill routine that
anyone could have come up with just to sell sups. ala BFL (BFL=eat
less, workout more, lose weight, real earth shattering huh?). HST has
science not sups behind it.
Chris
>>
>>Mark
Lyle McDonald
Based on science rather than hype.
He's far beyond thinking that anything ecept for drugs give drug-like
benefits. You won't see him claiming some protein is 700% better than another.
If he ever starts pushing stuff like that, I'll fly up to Utah and smack
the Mormon right out of him.
He's going to bring a series of fairly basic/standard products to the
market that can be backed by good science (and that work in the real
world). I presume at a fair price. Which is honestly all you can ask
for, a good product at a fair price. Without a lot of bs marketing hype.
For example, since I know people have been clamoring for it, here's my
review of his first two products: Primer and Driver. Note that I am not
currently on his payroll, that will probably change in the future.
Primer is meant as a protein for pre-workout consumption (based on
current data showing that pre-workout nutrients have larger impact on
protein synthesis than post-workout). The main ingredient is whey
protein isolate with whey hydrosylates (both fast proteins). Flavor,
some fructooligosaccharides (good for gut health, feeds the microflora
in your intestines), sucrose and fruit concentrate. I got chocolate,
flavored with Dutch cocoa powder. I mixed mine in cherry kool aid
powder to add carbs. It mixed well, and tastes good. It tasted pretty
nasty mixed in orange juice but chocolate + orange tends to do that.
Driver is for post workout to continue providing nutrients in that time
frame. It is a blend of micellar casein, egg albumen and calcium
caseinate (all slow proteins). Flavoring, some FOG's, a little omega 3
(not very much) and sucralose (no carb sweetener sugar alcohol). I've
had it in both water, the same cherry kool aid powder and maybe milk. I
don't particularly like the taste of it, I'm not a huge fan of dutch
cocoa, and its undersweetened for my taste (a packet of Equal perks it
right up). It doesn't mix tremendously well, because egg albumen tends
to mix for crap.
There's nothing fundamentally magic about either product and he knows
it. The first is a nice fast protein for pre-workout, the second a nice
slow protein for after workout (or other times of the day). I like the
first taste/mix wise, I'm not thrilled with the second on either count.
Which is too bad, I've wanted a non-whey (preferably casein but nobody
makes it anymore) based protein for a while and this one doesn't taste
or mix great.
He made them lowcarb now since so many people are limiting carbs. You
can add your own carbs with cheap powder or maltodextrin of whatever and
make it meet whatever dietary reqs you personally want (which is
actually a nice thing, instead of letting someone else determine how
much sugar you want to add to your protein). I believe he's going to
come out with carbed up more MRP like versions at a later date.
I'm not sure anything truly 'sets them apart' from the other products
out there. Ecept taht they aren't prettied up with any unnecessary
products (which jack up price) or a lot of hype. They're based on good
science and I presume they are reasonably priced (he sent me mine free
in case that affects anybody's view of my review ; I would have
preferred to have bought them for that reason).
Hope that answers the question,
Lyle
Mark Hartman
"Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
news:3C96268D...@onr.com...
> Mark Hartman wrote:
> >
> > "Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C955868...@onr.com...
> >
> > >
> > > It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
> > > Trust me on this.
> > >
> > > Lyle
> > >
> >
> > What sets his sups apart from the others?
>
> Based on science rather than hype.
>
> Hope that answers the question,
> Lyle
It does - thanks.
Mark
Lee Michaels
> "Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
> news:3C96268D...@onr.com...
> > Mark Hartman wrote:
> > >
> > > "Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3C955868...@onr.com...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
> > > > Trust me on this.
> > > >
> > > > Lyle
> > > >
> > >
> > > What sets his sups apart from the others?
> >
> > Based on science rather than hype.
>
I understand this hype thing Lyle, but what is this "science"??
Lyle McDonald
>
> > "Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C96268D...@onr.com...
> > > Mark Hartman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3C955868...@onr.com...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
> > > > > Trust me on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lyle
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What sets his sups apart from the others?
> > >
> > > Based on science rather than hype.
> >
>
> I understand this hype thing Lyle, but what is this "science"??
NOt entirely sure, but it seems to involve lab coats, goggles, and evil laughing.
Lyle
Lee Michaels
Maybe Elzi knows. (I assume that the description you just gave was Elzi.)
Lyle McDonald
I was describing the good scientists. She's one of 'em.
Lyle
David Winters
Sounds like a needs-moderators issue.
Maybe he needs a newsgroup...misc.fitness.hst
And exactly what kind of a S/N ratio do you think that'd have?
D.
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David Winters
Lyle McDonald <lyl...@onr.com> writes:
> Mark Hartman wrote:
> >
> > "Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C955868...@onr.com...
> >
> > >
> > > It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
> > > Trust me on this.
> > >
> > > Lyle
> > >
> >
> > What sets his sups apart from the others?
>
> Based on science rather than hype.
> He's far beyond thinking that anything ecept for drugs give drug-like
> benefits. You won't see him claiming some protein is 700% better than
another.
> If he ever starts pushing stuff like that, I'll fly up to Utah and smack
> the Mormon right out of him.
LOL!
> He's going to bring a series of fairly basic/standard products to the
> market that can be backed by good science (and that work in the real
> world). I presume at a fair price. Which is honestly all you can ask
> for, a good product at a fair price. Without a lot of bs marketing hype.
>
> For example, since I know people have been clamoring for it, here's my
> review of his first two products: Primer and Driver. Note that I am not
> currently on his payroll, that will probably change in the future.
>
> Primer is meant as a protein for pre-workout consumption (based on
> current data showing that pre-workout nutrients have larger impact on
> protein synthesis than post-workout). The main ingredient is whey
> protein isolate with whey hydrosylates (both fast proteins). Flavor,
> some fructooligosaccharides (good for gut health, feeds the microflora
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I love this word.
> in your intestines), sucrose and fruit concentrate. I got chocolate,
> flavored with Dutch cocoa powder. I mixed mine in cherry kool aid
> powder to add carbs. It mixed well, and tastes good. It tasted pretty
> nasty mixed in orange juice but chocolate + orange tends to do that.
Either way you do it. As an experiment I tried mixing orange-flavored
stuff in chocolate milk. It didn't quite reach Vile, but it was trying.
> Driver is for post workout to continue providing nutrients in that time
> frame. It is a blend of micellar casein, egg albumen and calcium
> caseinate (all slow proteins). Flavoring, some FOG's, a little omega 3
> (not very much) and sucralose (no carb sweetener sugar alcohol). I've
> had it in both water, the same cherry kool aid powder and maybe milk. I
> don't particularly like the taste of it, I'm not a huge fan of dutch
> cocoa, and its undersweetened for my taste (a packet of Equal perks it
> right up). It doesn't mix tremendously well, because egg albumen tends
> to mix for crap.
>
> There's nothing fundamentally magic about either product and he knows
> it. The first is a nice fast protein for pre-workout, the second a nice
> slow protein for after workout (or other times of the day). I like the
> first taste/mix wise, I'm not thrilled with the second on either count.
> Which is too bad, I've wanted a non-whey (preferably casein but nobody
> makes it anymore) based protein for a while and this one doesn't taste
> or mix great.
What do you use to mix it? I haven't tried any casein protein powder,
but everything I've used has mixed better since I got a nice shaker-type
bottle.
> He made them lowcarb now since so many people are limiting carbs. You
> can add your own carbs with cheap powder or maltodextrin of whatever and
> make it meet whatever dietary reqs you personally want (which is
> actually a nice thing, instead of letting someone else determine how
> much sugar you want to add to your protein). I believe he's going to
> come out with carbed up more MRP like versions at a later date.
>
> I'm not sure anything truly 'sets them apart' from the other products
> out there. Ecept taht they aren't prettied up with any unnecessary
> products (which jack up price) or a lot of hype.
Given the amount of hype I've seen -- and I'm much less-travelled in this
field than most -- I'd say that the absence of hype is enough to set them
apart pretty well.
They're based on good
> science and I presume they are reasonably priced (he sent me mine free
> in case that affects anybody's view of my review ; I would have
> preferred to have bought them for that reason).
Easily solvable. Buy a set and send 'em to me. You'll have de-facto
paid for the set you reviewed, and I'll get free supps. We both win. :)
> Hope that answers the question,
Mucho.
Now to reveal some ignorance: If you use the Primer before a workout and
the Driver after, you'd also use the Driver later on in the day and also
on off days, as there's no real benefit to fast proteins in either
instance, yes? Or would you use a mixture of fast:slow at these times?
He's currently selling the Driver and Primer as a set. Any idea if he's
going to start offering them seperately as well?
Keith C.
>
>
> Maybe he needs a newsgroup...misc.fitness.hst
Moderated forms can be bad news.>Sounds like a needs-moderators issue.
>
>
> Maybe he needs a newsgroup...misc.fitness.hst
>Sounds like a needs-moderators issue.
>
>
> Maybe he needs a newsgroup...misc.fitness.hst
Keith C.
United States Army Reserve
Elite Strength Training Links HAS MOVED TO
http://www.escalix.com/freepage/elitestrength/strength.htm
Lyle McDonald
>
> Lyle McDonald <lyl...@onr.com> writes:
> > Mark Hartman wrote:
> > >
> > > "Lyle McDonald" <lyl...@onr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3C955868...@onr.com...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It's not in Bryan's fundamental character.
> > > > Trust me on this.
> > > >
> > > > Lyle
> > > >
> > >
> > > What sets his sups apart from the others?
> >
> > Based on science rather than hype.
> > He's far beyond thinking that anything ecept for drugs give drug-like
> > benefits. You won't see him claiming some protein is 700% better than
> another.
> > If he ever starts pushing stuff like that, I'll fly up to Utah and smack
> > the Mormon right out of him.
>
> LOL!
When I first met him (2 years ago at the Arnold), dumb old me didn't
realize he was Mormon at first (you'd think his demeanor and mention
that he was from Salt Lake would clue me in but I'm truly retarded at times).
We spent the evening discussing stuff, him being him and me cursing a
blue streak.
Next morning, he and I meet Millard and his wife (who were putting us up
with Mesomorpohsis). One of them comments on Bryan's mormonness (sic).
First I'm just really apologetic for having cursed so much.
Then I start cracking jokes.
Ask if he and I rooming together will make Mormon rub off on me.
Tell Millard's dog "Go on, bite him, bite the Mormon."
I crack me up.
> > in your intestines), sucrose and fruit concentrate. I got chocolate,
> > flavored with Dutch cocoa powder. I mixed mine in cherry kool aid
> > powder to add carbs. It mixed well, and tastes good. It tasted pretty
> > nasty mixed in orange juice but chocolate + orange tends to do that.
>
> Either way you do it. As an experiment I tried mixing orange-flavored
> stuff in chocolate milk. It didn't quite reach Vile, but it was trying.
We dipped Oreos in salsa once. It was worse.
Then we dipped lemon creme cookies in salsa. Which was worse than that.
> > There's nothing fundamentally magic about either product and he knows
> > it. The first is a nice fast protein for pre-workout, the second a nice
> > slow protein for after workout (or other times of the day). I like the
> > first taste/mix wise, I'm not thrilled with the second on either count.
> > Which is too bad, I've wanted a non-whey (preferably casein but nobody
> > makes it anymore) based protein for a while and this one doesn't taste
> > or mix great.
>
> What do you use to mix it?
A blender.
I haven't tried any casein protein powder,
> but everything I've used has mixed better since I got a nice shaker-type
> bottle.
Trust me, casein and egg both mix for shit. They clump up and leave a
lot of protein 'crud' on the side of the blender. It's a function of
their structure.
> They're based on good
> > science and I presume they are reasonably priced (he sent me mine free
> > in case that affects anybody's view of my review ; I would have
> > preferred to have bought them for that reason).
>
> Easily solvable. Buy a set and send 'em to me. You'll have de-facto
> paid for the set you reviewed, and I'll get free supps. We both win. :)
That almost worked.
> Now to reveal some ignorance: If you use the Primer before a workout and
> the Driver after, you'd also use the Driver later on in the day and also
> on off days, as there's no real benefit to fast proteins in either
> instance, yes? Or would you use a mixture of fast:slow at these times?
I would personally use Driver as a general protein powder (I've been
looking for a basic casein powder for a while now but almost nobody
makes it). I see no benefit/use for fast proteins at any time except
around workouts. Then again, food works just as well as that.
> He's currently selling the Driver and Primer as a set. Any idea if he's
> going to start offering them seperately as well?
No idea.
Lyle
Lyle McDonald
>
> >Sounds like a needs-moderators issue.
> >
> >
> > Maybe he needs a newsgroup...misc.fitness.hst
>
> Moderated forms can be bad news.
What's a moderate 'form'? ;)
Lyle
David Winters
funb...@aol.comUSARMY (Keith C.) writes:
I wrote:
> >Sounds like a needs-moderators issue.
>
Sure. A lot depends on the moderator(s) chosen.
Lyle McDonald
>
> funb...@aol.comUSARMY (Keith C.) writes:
> I wrote:
> > >Sounds like a needs-moderators issue.
> >
> > Moderated forms can be bad news.
>
> Sure. A lot depends on the moderator(s) chosen.
Yup, as long as the moderator only makes sure that posts are kept on
topic (and keep the trolls and flamewars away), and doesn't control
information flow (cough, Mel Siff, cough), moderation works. The
moderator on rec.arts.movies.erotica is good about this. He even lets
the obvious trolls post, as long as they stay on topic.
As soon as the moderator lets his own personal biases impede discussion,
that's the end of it.
Lyle
Wayne S. Hill
As MFW's moderator, I take pride in permitting ALL posts
through (on topic, off, flame wars, whining, you name it). Of
course, this greatly reduces my workload in maintaining the
group.
-Wayne
(although I do wish that CERTAIN PARTIES would learn to snip)
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Will Brink used to complain that MFW should be moderated. He usually
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David Winters
Lyle McDonald <lyl...@onr.com> writes:
> David Winters wrote:
> >Lyle wrote:
> We dipped Oreos in salsa once. It was worse.
> Then we dipped lemon creme cookies in salsa. Which was worse than that.
I probably could have lived a full, happy life without knowing either of
these facts.
> > They're based on good
> > > science and I presume they are reasonably priced (he sent me mine free
> > > in case that affects anybody's view of my review ; I would have
> > > preferred to have bought them for that reason).
> >
> > Easily solvable. Buy a set and send 'em to me. You'll have de-facto
> > paid for the set you reviewed, and I'll get free supps. We both win. :)
>
> That almost worked.
Can't blame a guy for trying.
> > Now to reveal some ignorance: If you use the Primer before a workout and
> > the Driver after, you'd also use the Driver later on in the day and also
> > on off days, as there's no real benefit to fast proteins in either
> > instance, yes? Or would you use a mixture of fast:slow at these times?
>
> I would personally use Driver as a general protein powder (I've been
> looking for a basic casein powder for a while now but almost nobody
> makes it). I see no benefit/use for fast proteins at any time except
> around workouts. Then again, food works just as well as that.
A few times I've made the mistake of eating a little too soon before going
to the gym, and it doesn't make me happy. I'll experiment with whey, see
if it does the same thing.