Hats off to the british
Allan Mayer
<not@for_email.invalid> writes:
> No, I just don't like seeing greedy pricks living off the backs
> of the poor. Not everyone is born equal and if you can't
> understand that
Nope well understood here. Like you have said, not everyone
is born equal. Some will always have it better than others.
So why should those who have it better than others, have to
provide for those who are not up to the task ? And what makes
your standards more morally right than others ?
Take a page from the animal kingdom, there is a food chain,
those who cant make it, get eaten. Same in the human world.
We all are part of the food chain, there will always be people better
off than you, and worse off than you. It is an individuals own
responsibility to make their own life better, not anyone else's.
So get off your ass and do something usefull
Basically what you are saying, is that everyone who is better off
than you is greedy. It's called motivation, not greed, if you had
more you would be better off !
Love your low class writing style BTW. You have such a command
of the english language... Keep up the good work.......
Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html
"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
jonathan.gorse
redistribution of wealth rather than anything to do with the US's complete
disregard for pollution controls etc - but then that might mean US industry
or its citizens having to compromise their profit line or lifestyle in
favour of global good! In short I think the best way a superpower can
achieve true greatness would be to lead the world in solving some of its
most fundamental problems - like pollution, famine, climate change etc.
On the point about wealth I am certainly not arguing that the dedicated and
hard working should be brought down to the level of the idle, merely that a
greater degree of moderation is required - it simply is not sustainable to
seek to maintain such ridiculous differentials between rich and poor. I
argue by the way from the point of view of someone whose combind household
income is £75 000 per year so as you can see I am not looking for any
handouts but I'd like to pay more tax to improve the general standards of
education, health provision etc in the country. You don't have to see this
as completely selfless, the barbarians are already at the gates and no
superpower, security system etc in the world can stop them and you and I
know it! If you want evidence of this look what has happened to the ruling
whites in Zimbabwe - the suppressed and underprivileged will rise up and
seek to right the wrongs of years of exploitation. If you don't exploit
people and seek to treat people fairly you don't need panic rooms, guns and
missile defence shields.
The US is a great superpower but no amount of aircraft carriers and F15's
can stop some lunatic putting Anthrax in the water supply and killing a
million people so we in the West can either choose to live in fear of this
or take a long hard look at ourselves and just what it is that makes these
people hate us so much. Some of them are mad but maybe just maybe some of
their hatred has been provoked by our word or deed?
I'm not a socialist but I believe in a concept that to quote Spock: 'the
needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, or the one'. The greatest
net benefit is not achieved by everyone individually seeking their own
personal gain without any constraints, but by people working together for
greater good. You can call it Utopia if you like, me I'd rather think of it
as a life with morality, humanity and meaning.
Jonathan
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J. Clarke
"jonathan.gorse" <jonathan.gorse@(nospam)ntlworld.com> says...
> I notice the only one of my points to be replied to is the one about
> redistribution of wealth rather than anything to do with the US's complete
> disregard for pollution controls etc
If the US completely disregards pollution controls why do I have $500
worth of platinum catalyst in the exhaust system on my car?
If you would drop the rhetoric and stay somewhat closer to the true
situation people would be more likely to actually give a damn what you
had to say.
<remainder of rant snipped unread>
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--John
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(used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Chuck C.
news:j_Dz9.391$5x.6...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net:
> I notice the only one of my points to be replied to is the one about
> redistribution of wealth rather than anything to do with the US's
> complete disregard for pollution controls etc - but then that might
> mean US industry or its citizens having to compromise their profit
> line or lifestyle in favour of global good! In short I think the best
> way a superpower can achieve true greatness would be to lead the world
> in solving some of its most fundamental problems - like pollution,
> famine, climate change etc.
Kind of like how polution is down significantly in the last 20-30
years??? How cars today release significantly less polutants than
ever???
>
> On the point about wealth I am certainly not arguing that the
> dedicated and hard working should be brought down to the level of the
> idle, merely that a greater degree of moderation is required - it
> simply is not sustainable to seek to maintain such ridiculous
> differentials between rich and poor. I argue by the way from the
> point of view of someone whose combind household income is £75 000 per
> year so as you can see I am not looking for any handouts but I'd like
> to pay more tax to improve the general standards of education, health
> provision etc in the country. You don't have to see this as
> completely selfless, the barbarians are already at the gates and no
> superpower, security system etc in the world can stop them and you and
> I know it! If you want evidence of this look what has happened to the
> ruling whites in Zimbabwe - the suppressed and underprivileged will
> rise up and seek to right the wrongs of years of exploitation. If you
> don't exploit people and seek to treat people fairly you don't need
> panic rooms, guns and missile defence shields.
>
Interesting point about Zimbabwe, care to tell me why their starving one
another now, Oh yeah I forgot, the evil rich whom they took power from
are doing it.
> The US is a great superpower but no amount of aircraft carriers and
> F15's can stop some lunatic putting Anthrax in the water supply and
> killing a million people so we in the West can either choose to live
> in fear of this or take a long hard look at ourselves and just what it
> is that makes these people hate us so much. Some of them are mad but
> maybe just maybe some of their hatred has been provoked by our word or
> deed?
>
Or maybe they just have no free press to realize what is really going
on.
>snip
Chuck
--
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Benjamin Franklin
Vern Pellerin
>Kind of like how polution is down significantly in the last 20-30
>years??? How cars today release significantly less polutants than
>ever???
Cars in America release significantly less polutants than ever, but what about
other countries? Are other countries doing the same or no? I'm curious.
Anybody out there got some info on this?
Still, I'm sure that America could do better. With all these large
gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs, I have doubts as to how effective America will
be at trying to reduce our dependance on terrorist oil.
Chuck C.
news:Kw_B9.11461$%k2.35...@twister.socal.rr.com:
I don't know Vern, but the public assumption is that things are getting
worse, when they are much better than years ago. I will agree with you
that SUV's should meet the same standards as cars though. The exception
was first made when trucks were considered "work" vehicles and its obvious
that most aren't now.
Vern Pellerin
>I don't know Vern, but the public assumption is that things are getting
>worse, when they are much better than years ago. I will agree with you
>that SUV's should meet the same standards as cars though. The exception
>was first made when trucks were considered "work" vehicles and its obvious
>that most aren't now.
>
>Chuck
Yep.
I'm still wondering about countries like China. Are they driving cars with
fuel emission standards? Or are they poluting the air far worse than America,
but everyone ignores it because they like to bash America?
I like the idea of a hybrid car. They just need to get the hybrids to
externally look as cool as any other car, or cooler. When you can't
externally tell whether it's a hybrid car or not, then hybrids will take over
a LOT more sales than they currently are.
As for the emissions by trucks, that's a huge problem. We have a young
generation of people who just want big trucks & SUVs, with no concern for the
environmental consequences. Selfish? Maybe. If they're driving trucks and
SUVs with absolutely no need for the space and power and off-road capability,
then why are they? Why wouldn't a more fuel efficiant car do just as good for
them? Status symbol? The bigger is better mentality?
Bruce Rennie
I agree that the media generally misrepresents the state of things but
it is also true that average mileage of new cars has actually declined
recently, mostly due to pimping of SUV's. I believe this represents
the first decline in average mileage since the oil crisis of the 70's.
It's interesting that the Republicans weren't actually to blame for
this, either. :)
I gotta admit, I just don't get Detroit. Toyota has stated that, by
2010 (I believe), ALL their cars will be hybrids. Who here wouldn't
buy a car, even if it were slightly more expensive, that got radically
better gas mileage?
/bruce
No.T...@here.com
Pellerin) wrote:
}I'm still wondering about countries like China. Are they driving cars
}with fuel emission standards? Or are they poluting the air far worse
}than America, but everyone ignores it because they like to bash
}America?
Well Vern, I can speak from first hand experience about China and the
Far East. They are not even in the same ball park as we are. Lets take
Taiwan, for example, They are one of the more industrialized and more
modern countries over there. They have air pollution standards that are
not as stringent as ours and they count the days they are able to stay
within those standards we as we count the days that we don't meet our
standards. Taiwan is light years ahead of China and many other countries
like Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, Laos, etc.
Avatar
Chuck C.
I think SUV's are considered "safer" and I've seen information going
both ways. It is also nice to have the room when you need it, I guess.
But, I bet they could increase the efficency somehow, but it may take
you a bit longer to accellerate to 60mph. Noone wants to sacrifice that
though. Regardless, if we have requirements for fleets of cars, same
should go for SUV's and trucks.
Of course, I'm a bit of a hypocrite considering I'm lucky to get decent
gas mileage, but there is a gas-guzzler tax on some cars which mine
doesn't fit. I'm waiting for a decent hybrid with decent perfomance. I
think Dodge made a alternative fuel Charger prototype a few years ago,
propane or Nat.Gas (????)
john
one day production from the big 4 cars companies in USA
would have more cars than what is one the road today
you are quite well informed of world events
arent you?
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No.T...@here.com
}any idea how many cars in china ?
}
}one day production from the big 4 cars companies in USA
}would have more cars than what is one the road today
}
}you are quite well informed of world events
}arent you?
Unfortunately, air pollution is solely due to car emissions...
Avatar
No.T...@here.com
}Unfortunately, air pollution is solely due to car emissions...
Uhhh, that should read, _NOT_ solely ...
Avatar
Vern Pellerin
>I gotta admit, I just don't get Detroit. Toyota has stated that, by
>2010 (I believe), ALL their cars will be hybrids. Who here wouldn't
>buy a car, even if it were slightly more expensive, that got radically
>better gas mileage?
>
>/bruce
I'm certainly planning on getting a hybrid. I have a very fuel efficient
Honda right now, and I'm hoping to drive it into the ground. Then my next car
should be a hybrid. 50+ miles to the gallon sounds GREAT to me. Time to
start reducing our dependence on terrorist oil too.
PAPADOC
PAPA DOC
>
>>I gotta admit, I just don't get Detroit. Toyota has stated that, by
>>2010 (I believe), ALL their cars will be hybrids. Who here wouldn't
>>buy a car, even if it were slightly more expensive, that got radically
>>better gas mileage?
>>
>>/bruce
>
>I'm certainly planning on getting a hybrid. I have a very fuel efficient
>Honda right now, and I'm hoping to drive it into the ground. Then my next car
>should be a hybrid. 50+ miles to the gallon sounds GREAT to me. Time to
>start reducing our dependence on terrorist oil too.
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001
www.papadoc.net
Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the
10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in
more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."
Jay Williams
"Dastardly Dan" <not@for_email.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:30:43 GMT, No.T...@Here.com wrote:
>
>
> >Unfortunately, air pollution is solely due to car emissions...
> >
> >Avatar
>
> And cows.
Mitchell Holman
@news1.east.cox.net:
"Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons
released by vegetation, so lets not go overboard in setting and
enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources."
Ronald Reagan, 10 Sept. 1980.
Reagan later amended this figure to 93%.
DM
>"Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons
>released by vegetation,
Probably when we burn them for cooking, heating...
PAPADOC
PAPA DOC
>
>Seriously. Cow farts release huge amounts of methane gas into the air.
>They are the second greatest cause of polution next to cars.
Vern Pellerin
>Oh my God quick..someone put a catalytic converter on their asses.
>
>PAPA DOC
>
>>
>>Seriously. Cow farts release huge amounts of methane gas into the air.
>>They are the second greatest cause of polution next to cars.
Hahaha. It sounds funny, but actually it's a very real problem and here's two
reasons why: McDonalds and Burger King. It takes a LOT of cows to feed us
those 1 dollar burgers. And I'm not sure if it's true, but I read that some
large parts of the rainforrest are being cleared for cattle land for McDonalds
and/or Burger King.
So as funny as the problem sounds, I'm pretty sure it's considerable.
Cooter
Methane is a viable energy source. Harness that wind.
>
> Oh my God quick..someone put a catalytic converter on their asses.
>
>
>
> >
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Cooter wrote:
> Methane is a viable energy source. Harness that wind.
I'm feeling the pressure...
It wont be long 'til ignition.
I'll let ya know how the flight goes...
DrOk
<hopperhumorist>
PAPADOC
track of stuff like that and nothing short of us all committing
suicide will ever "cure" the problem.
PAPA DOC
>Hahaha. It sounds funny, but actually it's a very real problem and here's two
>reasons why: McDonalds and Burger King. It takes a LOT of cows to feed us
>those 1 dollar burgers. And I'm not sure if it's true, but I read that some
>large parts of the rainforrest are being cleared for cattle land for McDonalds
>and/or Burger King.
>
>So as funny as the problem sounds, I'm pretty sure it's considerable.
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Vern Pellerin
>Bullshit Vern.....human existance is what bothers people who keep
>track of stuff like that and nothing short of us all committing
>suicide will ever "cure" the problem.
>
>PAPA DOC
I'm not qualified to say whether the problem is real or bullshit. But I've
read that the problem supposedly does exist. I sure as hell ain't no
scientist. But Mickey Ds and BKs are everywhere, and I'm sure it take lots of
cows to keep us all fat and happy, and to fill the cardiac ward.
PAPADOC
cholesterol picture has improved....give me more cows.
PAPA DOC
>I'm not qualified to say whether the problem is real or bullshit. But I've
>read that the problem supposedly does exist. I sure as hell ain't no
>scientist. But Mickey Ds and BKs are everywhere, and I'm sure it take lots of
>cows to keep us all fat and happy, and to fill the cardiac ward.
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
PAPADOC
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/news/EEAB604567453A6186256C770083AEB3
Ozarks' oaks may taint air here
By Sara Shipley
Of the Post-Dispatch
11/20/2002 10:58 AM
Oak trees in Missouri's Ozark forests might be contributing to
inexplicably high levels of a cancer-causing air pollutant in St.
Louis, according to a federal environmental agency.
Officials with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency suspect that
naturally occurring emissions from the trees could help explain why
St. Louis has among the highest levels nationwide of formaldehyde, a
toxic gas believed to cause cancer.
The woods haven't looked so bad since President Ronald Reagan declared
in the early 1980s that trees were worse polluters than smokestack
industries. More recently, trees have been blamed for up to 65 percent
of ozone-forming chemicals in cities such as smog-choked Houston.
PAPA DOC
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Jay Williams
right???
"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
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> Yup tree's
>
>
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/news/EEAB604567453A6186256
PAPADOC
should have been in your cheek...
PAPA DOC
Jay Williams
"Yeah, you rite!"
Anyway, I learned long ago that arguing where Reagan is concerned is like
teaching a bull to sing....
it accomplishes little and it annoys the bull.
Whenever I get the urge to bang my head against the wall I just
1) Try cases in Federal court.
2) Download and try the latest Saitek drivers
3) Tell my 18 year-old step-son to get a job
4) Tell my wife I'm going to toss her 18 year-old baby out on his ear if
I come home from lunch again and find him in bed asleep.
5) Answer my wife when she asks "Do these pants make me look fat?"
6) Did I mention my parasitic step-son who is eating my brain a little
every day?
or
7) Go ahead and crack the old noggin against the bricks a few times just
because it feels so damn good when I stop...
After all that, arguing that anything Reagan said was something other than
pearls of devinely inspired wisdom is superfluous...
Do they still sell those god-awful (unless you were drunk as hell) Anna Mae
and Rosemarie Po-boys down at the Timesaver??? And is the man from Shoetown
still beating his drum? (More importantly, has Chumley finally taken his ax
to Dr. Morgus?) (And does Molly's still serve the best Irish coffee in the
world?)
God, sometimes I miss NOLA
"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
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PAPADOC
I live in the Hinterland of Baton Rouge.....I remember the first day
my wife and I drove through we saw cows and chickens in someones front
yard in the middle of town...I look over at my wife and we both are
wondering what did we do...?
Yea I voted for Reagan in 80 and for me it was such a relief after
Carter...
PAPA DOC
Jay Williams
Tulane student and thought I was in love... wound up at Loyola... Did
visit Baton Rouge or relatively near by a couple of times, I don't recall
seeing anything that rustic...
On the other hand, have you ever been to Cut Off??? I was glad I had Floyd
*Chauvin* with me... The gas station attendant didn't speak English and I
don't speak French...
"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
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Leon.Smith
PAPADOC wrote:
> Since going on a high protein low carb diet I have lost weight, and my
> cholesterol picture has improved....give me more cows.
>
> PAPA DOC
Just started the Atkins diet, sounds very similar.
Badboy
Allan Mayer
>Who here wouldn't
>buy a car, even if it were slightly more expensive, that got radically
>better gas mileage?
I wouldnt for one.....
Very simple reason actually. Why should I ???
When the rest of the world, decides to hold themselves to the same
standard that they want/expect out of the US, then I'll consider....
Untill then, I will buy what I feel suites me the most. MPG dosnt
factor in here. Right now a 93 Taurus has my attention
(I'm used to driving an old Lincoln MK V w/7.7 liter engine:)
Which brings up the point.
Why does the Koyoto treaty let "underdeveloped: countries get away
with little to no pollution standards/restrictions, yet the US must adhere
to much higher/stringent standards ??? (supposedly according to treaty
sponsers, it is to allow 3d world countries to catch up)
Yet does this not allow for even more pollution ???
When there is one standard for all, then I will think about it......
Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html
"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
PAPADOC
pay for all their days off....screw the EU.
PAPA DOC
>Because the US is the greatest contributer to waste and pollution on
>the planet. Doh!
Allan Mayer
<not@for_email.invalid> writes:
>Because the US is the greatest contributer to waste and pollution on
>the planet. Doh!
So what does that have to do with NOT cutting emmisions
from other countries ????????
And BTW, what about Chinam and Russia ???? They have far more
uninhabitable areas of their country from pollution........
Well, I at least enjoy the fact that we didnt sign, now lets see what the rest
of the world will do.
Rick Fortier
This is where Kyoto admits that there will be a great cost in meeting the stated reduction goals.
And many if not most of the citizens of ratifying countries realize this and don't want this solution.
Cheers,
Rick