unrecovery Monday
AndyC the WB
Joe> sendmail has nicely defined my activities for the day..as
Joe> well as the evening.
"Buffer overflow in sendmail" is fast becoming a synonym for "deja vu".
Apologies if this is bordering on UI.
--
AndyC the WB
Replace SPAM with Andy to reply
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
> sendmail has nicely defined my activities for the day..as well as the
> evening.
Oh yeah? how about a root disk that crapped itself? Sure-sure - it's
mirrored, but it's the primary disk, and actually it didn't even seem
to have crapped itself rather the GBICs leading to that chunk-o-disks
seem to be going to lala-land quite regularly taking the subsequent
disks with it too.
Hmm time to dig up my manuals on this shite.
Ino!~
--
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off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
Joe Hetrick
>> There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is that
>> word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the Monastery.
>
> I don't see how Postfix would be a banned word.
>
agreed. forgive my transgression.
The most annying part of the day was *not* tracking down all of the
rogue installs that could be lying around, or getting the big boxes
patched, it was answering the spew
from a growing segment of my luserbase that know *just* enough to be
annoying. Let us ignore the fact that many of them are conslutants with
lusers of their own to placate and focus on the fact that they are my
lusers, and they are lusers of the worst kind[0].
Less than an hour after I saw the news posted, I had these lusers
crawling out of my rectum asking what I'm intending to do about it...
Clamoring that they have EU's with concerns[1].
[0] - I'll let the monks take a wild guess at what toilet paper they
have decorating their walls.
[1] - I did the only sensible thing; I killed my voicemail and dropped
my dial-plan from the call manager for incoming calls from the outside..
Funny how much more I got accomplished after that..
J
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Your Excuse is: Internet outage
cru3l_3...@salmahayeksknockers.edu
> Oh yeah? how about a root disk that crapped itself? Sure-sure - it's
> mirrored, but it's the primary disk, and actually it didn't even seem
> to have crapped itself rather the GBICs leading to that chunk-o-disks
> seem to be going to lala-land quite regularly taking the subsequent
> disks with it too.
AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A SYSADMIN
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http://www.memeticcandiru.com dan...@swan.com
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
>There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is
>that word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the
>Monastery.
Semprini?
Matt Roberds
Steve VanDevender
> sendmail has nicely defined my activities for the day..as well as the
> evening.
Hmm, I read the exploit announcement at about 10:45, and had it updated
on all the systems I maintain (about 10, representing two architectures
and OSes and three major .cf variants, built from fresh source and with
the associated utilties, config files, and man pages) by 11:45.
Of course, I'm only so practiced because I've had to do it so many times
before . . .
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ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
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Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
Suresh Ramasubramanian
Ignatios Souvatzis
> sendmail has nicely defined my activities for the day..as well as the
> evening.
half the night. And I had vaguely planned to move to a less indecent
MTA for a long time, just didn't yet schedule it.
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
-is
Joe Hetrick
> Hmm, I read the exploit announcement at about 10:45, and had it updated
> on all the systems I maintain (about 10, representing two architectures
> and OSes and three major .cf variants, built from fresh source and with
> the associated utilties, config files, and man pages) by 11:45.
>
> Of course, I'm only so practiced because I've had to do it so many times
> before . . .
>
My "evening activities" (as opposed to nocturnal activities) were
more of the recovery type, after, of course, having the issue flogged to
death by a multitude of people whose only necessary concern is that their email
goes out when they go *click*.
Alan J Rosenthal
>"Buffer overflow in sendmail" is fast becoming a synonym for "deja vu".
I like what the old "cops" program says:
/usr/lib/sendmail could have a hole/bug!
It's actually misidentifying the version number or date or something, and
claiming that it seems to be vulnerable to something in a Very Old CERT
advisory. But it's still right nevertheless. I love it.
--
"How many other software packages on the Internet have become legends based
solely on their insecure design and implementation?"
-- Thomas H. Ptacek on sendmail
Mike Andrews
> >Hmm, I read the exploit announcement at about 10:45, and had it updated
> >
> >Of course, I'm only so practiced because I've had to do it so many times
> >before . . .
> $GROUP_IN_WHICH_WE_DISCUSS_OUR_KINKY_MASOCHISTIC_PERVERSIONS is that -->
> way.
> Not My Kink, though; I try to engineer systems that can run on their own
> and let me sleep nights without wondering what advisories are crawling
> out tentacles-first in the dark hours.
You-Fscking-*Wish*!
I had to take yesterday off to take care of some really dreary
business. While I was out, my understudies in the mail-filter
department got to try out my cheat sheet. It appeared that Mail
Was Not Flowing. So they fiddled and farted and fussed, and Nothing
They Did Made It Work.
So they blamed me. I had an interesting conversation yesterday
afternoon, when I called in to find out how things were running.
The answer was that they weren't, and It Was All My Fault, of course.
I got in this mornining, reviewed yesterday's logs and my mail, and
found that:
1) Everything Looked Just Fine on my mail filter: no errors, warnings,
or even concerns; and
2) The Lotus Blotes guy had trouble with _his_ machine yesterday. So,
of course, I take the heat. *sigh*
ObASRGripe:
And one of my lusers shotgunned a spam complaint to everyone
from IANA (for a 10.*.*.*) address to my upstream's connectivity
provider. I came in to find a peremptory "Handle this!" in my
inbox, with a gripe from the connectivity folks attached. They
apparently think *my* luser is spamming, when a cursory glance
at the headers he provided would show that the spam came *to* us
from ... wait for it! ... Telstra!
So I've gritched at the luser, and pointed out to my upstream
that $CONNECTIVITY_PROVIDER has its head in the up-and-locked
position. Waiting will fill.
--
We categorically reject the argument that a vendor has a right under the
Constitution or otherwise to send unwanted material into the home of
another. [...]the answer is that no one has a right to press even 'good'
ideas on an unwilling recipient. -- Chief Justice Berger, SCotUS
Jack Twilley
Paul> (Yeah... I am a shortage of manpower.)
I want this as a bumper sticker.
Jack.
--
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jmt at twilley dot org
http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash
Kevin
>> > Anthony de Boer - USEnet <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
>> > >There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is
>> > >that word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the
>> > >Monastery.
>> > Semprini?
>> MS-Exchange?
>Lotus Notes!
Powerpoint files. If a picture is worth 1000 words, a powerpoint
presentation is like a term paper, like an inagural speech, like a
"docu"-drama.
Kevin
Stuart Lamble
Florian M. Weps wrote:
Oracle!
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the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet".
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
> In article <87smu24...@cicciolina.localdomain.localnet>,
> Florian M. Weps wrote:
>> sur...@hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) writes:
>>
>>> mrob...@worldnet.att.net (asr) [Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:57:16 GMT]:
>>>
>>> > Anthony de Boer - USEnet <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
>>> > >There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is
>>> > >that word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the
>>> > >Monastery.
>>> >
>>> > Semprini?
>>>
>>> MS-Exchange?
>>
>> Lotus Notes!
>
> Oracle!
>
Ross J. Reedstrom
>Paul> (Yeah... I am a shortage of manpower.)
>I want this as a bumper sticker.
Hmm, is that something like 'an army of one'?
Ross
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 12:55 AM, Paul Martin <p...@zetnet.net> said:
>I don't see how Postfix would be a banned word.
I believe that the word in question has an initial letter one higher
in the collating sequence.
--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
Back in the old days, before FIDO, when men were men and
sheep were scared, there were some real flames
Arvid Grøtting
> Powerpoint files. If a picture is worth 1000 words, a powerpoint
> presentation is like a term paper, like an inagural speech, like a
> "docu"-drama.
Inagural [sic!] speech indeed:
http://www.norvig.com/Gettysburg/index.htm
--
Arvid
Steve VanDevender
> AndyC the WB <sp...@cunningham.me.uk> writes:
> >"Buffer overflow in sendmail" is fast becoming a synonym for "deja vu".
>
> I like what the old "cops" program says:
>
> /usr/lib/sendmail could have a hole/bug!
>
> It's actually misidentifying the version number or date or something, and
> claiming that it seems to be vulnerable to something in a Very Old CERT
> advisory. But it's still right nevertheless. I love it.
We still run a hacked-up version of COPS on some of our systems. It
still generates that message. It would be wrong to take it out.
ObRecovery: I'm up so late because I'm winding down from another
Tympanic show. The band members still in school should be finished this
spring. They've already got some regional touring planned for the
spring, and more in the summer. So while my opportunities for
ultra-musical recovery decline, some of you will have more.
Niklas Karlsson
> In article <slrnb6avue....@carousel.its.monash.edu.au>, Stuart Lamble wrote:
>> In article <87smu24...@cicciolina.localdomain.localnet>,
>> Florian M. Weps wrote:
>>> sur...@hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) writes:
>>>
>>>> mrob...@worldnet.att.net (asr) [Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:57:16 GMT]:
>>>>
>>>> > Anthony de Boer - USEnet <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
>>>> > >There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is
>>>> > >that word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the
>>>> > >Monastery.
>>>> >
>>>> > Semprini?
>>>>
>>>> MS-Exchange?
>>>
>>> Lotus Notes!
>>
>> Oracle!
>>
> Ingres
>
PICK!
Niklas
David P. Murphy
> "I am Joe's shortage of manpower."
Does Joe drive a big honkin' overrevved sports car to compensate?
ok
dpm
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Geoff Lane
> sendmail has nicely defined my activities for the day..as well as the
> evening.
MODE="" is your friend.
--
/\ Geoff. Lane. /\ Manchester Computing /\ Manchester /\ M13 9PL /\ England /\
Today's Excuse: The POP server is out of Coke
David P. Murphy
> (It's a particular type of software that sucks in all
> its various implementations, as far as I can tell).
That sentence makes no sense. *All* MTAs suck. They all suck hard,
they all suck forever, and they all suck in every direction.
And the one I use most definitely sucks as much as all the others.
Joe Hetrick
> Lionel <n...@alt.net> wrote:
>
>> "I am Joe's shortage of manpower."
>
> Does Joe drive a big honkin' overrevved sports car to compensate?
>
> ok
> dpm
I've lost track. Which Joe are we discussing again? If somebody is
offering to supply low-rate (free) manpower, lemme just find someplace
for you to apply... I've got an Alliant that I need somebody to move..
Don't need your sportscar, though.
J
Joe Moore
Robert Pluim <rpl...@grandNOSPAMpied.com> wrote:
>
>Indeed, all becomes clear now. Not one of the things I've ever had to
>deal with, for which I suspect I should be grateful. (It's a
>particular type of software that sucks in all its various
>implementations, as far as I can tell).
Yes, we've done the suckagedynamics analysis of software before[0].
Suckage is not additive when you combine software with other software[1].
Empirical results show that it is, in fact more than polynomial, but
probably less than exponential.
Sendmail can communicate with lots of sucky software.
Therefore sendmail sucks a lot.
Note, however, the 2nd law of suckagedynamics, which states that any change
in software results in a net (global) increase in suckage, so replacing
sendmail with another option will only suck differently, not less. (And
going back to sendmail later makes it suck more than you remember it)
--Joe
[0] Recent memory[2] points to <aqp7vk$j6m$1...@ennui.dnsalias.net> and
descendants
[1] Or otherwise make them interact.
[2] Ok, google. But it's so much more reliable than memory.
--
If you can't laugh at your lusers, who can you laugh at?
remove dash and subsequent local part to email me.
Jeff Ramsey
> In article <86adg9u...@fibble.nospam.dev.null>,
> Robert Pluim <rpl...@grandNOSPAMpied.com> wrote:
>>
>>Indeed, all becomes clear now. Not one of the things I've ever had to
>>deal with, for which I suspect I should be grateful. (It's a
>>particular type of software that sucks in all its various
>>implementations, as far as I can tell).
>
> Yes, we've done the suckagedynamics analysis of software before[0].
>
> Suckage is not additive when you combine software with other software[1].
> Empirical results show that it is, in fact more than polynomial, but
> probably less than exponential.
>
> Sendmail can communicate with lots of sucky software.
> Therefore sendmail sucks a lot.
>
My day from 9am till now proves the above.
Sendmail sucks by itself in the same way
that all software sucks by itself. After you config it to
talk to $N number of other software, what is the formula
for calculating the increase in suckiness?
Jeff
Greg Andrews
>
>Sendmail sucks by itself in the same way
>that all software sucks by itself. After you config it to
>talk to $N number of other software, what is the formula
>for calculating the increase in suckiness?
>
Sounds like the Breidbart Index is being reinvented.
-Greg
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with the accompanying *GESTURES*. -- Adam J. Thornton
st...@madcelt.org
> In article <slrnb6avue....@carousel.its.monash.edu.au>, Stuart Lamble wrote:
>> In article <87smu24...@cicciolina.localdomain.localnet>,
>> Florian M. Weps wrote:
>>> sur...@hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) writes:
>>>
>>>> mrob...@worldnet.att.net (asr) [Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:57:16 GMT]:
>>>>
>>>> > Anthony de Boer - USEnet <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
>>>> > >There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is
>>>> > >that word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the
>>>> > >Monastery.
>>>> >
>>>> > Semprini?
>>>>
>>>> MS-Exchange?
>>>
>>> Lotus Notes!
>>
>> Oracle!
>>
> Ingres
FlexLM!
--
Stevo st...@madcelt.org
"when I'm not on-line"? What does that mean?
- Paul Tomblin
Eric the Read
<gratuitous ROT-ing NOT inserted by stevo>
> SyrkYZ!
</gratuitous>
You, sir, are a Very Bad Man(tm). Any .au monks who have had the
displeasure of having those bad memories awakened are undoubtedly
converging upon your location now. As such, any punishment I could
render would undoubtedly be useless by the time it arrives.
P.S.: You Bastard.
-=Eric
--
Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million
typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare.
-- Blair Houghton.
Suresh Ramasubramanian
[Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:43:57 -0000]:
>
> Sendmail sucks by itself in the same way
> that all software sucks by itself. After you config it to
> talk to $N number of other software, what is the formula
> for calculating the increase in suckiness?
Is there a Chandrasekhar Limit on suckage?
srs
Joe Zeff
Ramasubramanian) wrote:
Alas, no. If there were, Micro$loth would have imploded into a black
hole long ago. *Sigh!*
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Windows!"
http://www.lasfs.org http://home.earthlink.net/~sidebrnz
Steve VanDevender
> There's a scandalous rumor that sur...@hserus.net (Suresh
> Ramasubramanian) wrote:
>
> >Is there a Chandrasekhar Limit on suckage?
>
> Alas, no. If there were, Micro$loth would have imploded into a black
> hole long ago. *Sigh!*
"There is another theory which states that this has already happened."
Remember, black holes have the maximum possible amount of
suck-per-surface-area.
I hear there was a presentation today from some Micro$oft flack
advertised as being about how to achieve security for Microsoft
products; reports are that it provided a summary of history that
everyone already knew, followed by claims that as long as they kept
buying their Micro$oft upgrades, the security would get better.
This more or less validated my earlier guess as to the actual
usefulness of the presentation.
Joe Block
wrote:
> At a random point in time Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] <ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg>
> blathered insanely:
> > In article <slrnb6avue....@carousel.its.monash.edu.au>, Stuart
> > Lamble wrote:
> >> In article <87smu24...@cicciolina.localdomain.localnet>,
> >> Florian M. Weps wrote:
> >>> sur...@hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) writes:
> >>>
> >>>> mrob...@worldnet.att.net (asr) [Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:57:16 GMT]:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Anthony de Boer - USEnet <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
> >>>> > >There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is
> >>>> > >that word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the
> >>>> > >Monastery.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Semprini?
> >>>>
> >>>> MS-Exchange?
> >>>
> >>> Lotus Notes!
> >>
> >> Oracle!
> >>
> > Ingres
>
> FlexLM!
Quark XPress
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
Pathworks
Mike Andrews
Yes. Anything that sucks 1.44 times as much as ZvpebFbsg will
blackhole itself.
--
"... by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it."
- Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu)
Jeff Ramsey
> Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
> Sun WebInstall
PcAnywhere
Darcy Boese
(do I lose?)
Tanuki the Raccoon-dog
<ram...@localhost.localdomain> said
--
!Raised Tails! -:Tanuki:-
West of Arkham, the hills rise wild...
st...@madcelt.org
> You, sir, are a Very Bad Man(tm). Any .au monks who have had the
> displeasure of having those bad memories awakened are undoubtedly
> converging upon your location now. As such, any punishment I could
> render would undoubtedly be useless by the time it arrives.
I'll put the drink on ice then, shall I?
Anyone out there who has no idea of what we are discussing, praise $DIETY
that you have been spared and do your best to keep it that way. The FPOS
has caused me more headaches than most of my lusers.
> P.S.: You Bastard.
Always nice to be recognised by your peers.
ObASR: Did my bit for Bastardry yesterday. One of the programmers fucked up
and her software corrupted the input files. Cute girl who was using the
software asked if I could recover the input files from backup[1]. I started
recovering it, but warned her that it may take a good number of hours. Then
after about 3 hours I went and warned her that as it had taken so long, there
was a chance the files may not be recoverable and asked how long it would
take to rebuild the files. Answer was in the range of weeks of work. Said I
would keep trying to recover the files. An hour later I gave her the recovered
files, which I knew full well I would be able to do at the start. Does wonders
for the cred when you say you can't do something, then manage to achieve it.
[1] Funny how the cute girls seem to get attention faster than anyone else, innit?
Omri Schwarz
> At a random point in time Eric the Read <emsc...@yahoo.com> blathered insanely:
> > st...@madcelt.org writes:
> > <gratuitous ROT-ing NOT inserted by stevo>
> >> SyrkYZ!
> > </gratuitous>
>
> > You, sir, are a Very Bad Man(tm). Any .au monks who have had the
> > displeasure of having those bad memories awakened are undoubtedly
> > converging upon your location now. As such, any punishment I could
> > render would undoubtedly be useless by the time it arrives.
> I'll put the drink on ice then, shall I?
>
> Anyone out there who has no idea of what we are discussing, praise $DIETY
> that you have been spared and do your best to keep it that way. The FPOS
> has caused me more headaches than most of my lusers.
Could be worse. I saw a job ad for developers for air
traffic control software. SyrkYZ was one of the requirements.
I really, really, hope that just means they want
someone who has enough clue to manage getting Ratlab & Co
on his desktop without going crying to the house Bastard
(who they may have recovered).
--
Omri Schwarz --- ocs...@mit.edu ('h' before war)
Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering: "Noise is principally
due to the presence of the patient." -- R.F. Farr
Joe Moore
Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
>"Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] " <ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg> wrote:
(Legato) Networker
--Joe
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
[...]
> files, which I knew full well I would be able to do at the start. Does wonders
> for the cred when you say you can't do something, then manage to achieve it.
You missed the other side of the medal though. Another few of these, and
you'll be perceived as the god who pulls back data out of his arse when
Joe Luser fucks up.
I think you should pepper your successes with a few "no can do luser!"
and "Your data has gone ta-ta, to the happy-happy data land, and it's
definitely much better there. Now fuck off"
Ino!~
Steve VanDevender
> Yes. Anything that sucks 1.44 times as much as ZvpebFbsg will
> blackhole itself.
Hmm, the Chandrasekhar limit is usually stated relative to the Sun and
has a higher factor, but Microsoft sucks harder than Sun so that
would explain why the factor is lower in your version.
--
For I know things that you don't know / And I see things you'll never see /
And I've a different way of living, you know / And I've such a different
frame of mind, and so ... / I'm on my way to the funnyfarm
-- Happy Rhodes, "To the Funnyfarm"
Mike Andrews
> Oh, you've noticed that too? SWMBO always used to rave about the service
> she got from Ork[-1], oddly enough...
Before you were married, I hope. "Service" around here tends to meet
the "animal husbandry" test.
--
French does have a certain je ne sais quoi, but I don't know
what it is.
-- Jeffrey Goldberg, in nanae
Mike Andrews
> [...]
> > files, which I knew full well I would be able to do at the start. Does wonders
> > for the cred when you say you can't do something, then manage to achieve it.
> You missed the other side of the medal though. Another few of these, and
> you'll be perceived as the god who pulls back data out of his arse when
> Joe Luser fucks up.
> I think you should pepper your successes with a few "no can do luser!"
> and "Your data has gone ta-ta, to the happy-happy data land, and it's
> definitely much better there. Now fuck off"
I've found that it's beneficial to save the disasters for the people
that everyone, including the other members of the luser community,
consider to be Complete Assholes. Nobody minds when a Complete Asshole
has to pay the price for a fsckup.
Since about 20% of my luser community is in-juh-nears, there are a
_lot_ of Complete Assholes on whom Disaster gets to land from time
to time.
--
No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message.
However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
Mike Andrews
> mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) writes:
> > Yes. Anything that sucks 1.44 times as much as ZvpebFbsg will
> > blackhole itself.
> Hmm, the Chandrasekhar limit is usually stated relative to the Sun and
> has a higher factor, but Microsoft sucks harder than Sun so that
> would explain why the factor is lower in your version.
<http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/ChandrasekharLimit.html>
gives 1.44 solar masses -- for neutron stars.
M_minimum for black holes appears to be about 3.2 suns, which is a
bunch higher. I slouch corrected.
--
Exodus will never disconnect a spammer. By the time the complaints reach
a level adequate to persuade them, the small-arms fire will prevent their
admins from reaching the servers
-- clifto, in nanae
Ralph Wade Phillips
"Mike Andrews" <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote in message
news:b490sl$fnv$3...@puck.litech.org...
> Since about 20% of my luser community is in-juh-nears, there are a
> _lot_ of Complete Assholes on whom Disaster gets to land from time
> to time.
Heh. Know what you mean there.
I used to be SysAdmin-For-Hire at $WeModifyAirplanes here in
Shreveport, before they left.
Several of them used to sneer at me, "a mere technician". It's
amazing how little support THEY got when they got to be that way ... <grins>
OTOH - I just helped another engineer customer of mine. One thing
about Roy - when he starts talking about being a "good-old country boy from
Texas A&M", you know it's time to pay CAREFUL attention. Roy has been in
several international court cases, due to his expertise in pressure vessels.
Today I helped another one of his friends, who is also an engineer.
Now, how many times and ways can you say, "Read me the very first
line"?
And, how many PROPER answers can possibly start "Right below where
it says ... "?
Finally got him to tell me what I wanted (won't bore the monks with
it - suffice it to say that blank lines cause problems for what passes for a
scripting language in Redmondware ... )
RwP
John R. Owens
> Darcy Boese staggered into the Black Sun and said:
>> [ posting overwritten by several passes of randomness ]
>
> FX: A thunderclap, a loud wind, a plague of breakfast cereal, lava flows
> under the raised-flooring, the earth opens, and Darcy suddenly goes Down,
> Not Across. A choir of little tentacled things sings, and he achieves
> Recovery.
But... are there adequate warning signs around the lava flows?
*scuttles for cover*
--
John R. Owens http://www.ghiapet.homeip.net/
It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth
living for?
--Lorien
AndyC the WB
stevo> [1] Funny how the cute girls seem to get attention faster
stevo> than anyone else, innit?
s/faster than anyone else/that no-one else gets at all/
--
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Replace SPAM with Andy to reply
Geoff Lane
> Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net> wrote:
>> Jeff Ramsey <ram...@localhost.localdomain> (alt.sysadmin.recovery)
>> [Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:43:57 -0000]:
>> >
>> > Sendmail sucks by itself in the same way
>> > that all software sucks by itself. After you config it to
>> > talk to $N number of other software, what is the formula
>> > for calculating the increase in suckiness?
>> Is there a Chandrasekhar Limit on suckage?
> Yes. Anything that sucks 1.44 times as much as ZvpebFbsg will
> blackhole itself.
Recent events indicate that SCO just reached that limit.
"My Ghod, we can't complete in the market place. Unleash the attack
lawyers!!"
--
/\ Geoff. Lane. /\ Manchester Computing /\ Manchester /\ M13 9PL /\ England /\
If it works, rip it apart and find out why!
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
The Monastery would like to apologize for the poor quality of the robot
slurping in this cascade. It is not ASR policy to get easy shudders with
words like MS-Exchange, Lotus Notes, Oracle, or FlexLM. (fx: weeping)
Ssssh!
The words in the above cascade are not to be used again on this programme.
Matt Roberds
Darcy Boese
>> [ posting overwritten by several passes of randomness ]
> FX: A thunderclap, a loud wind, a plague of breakfast cereal, lava flows
> under the raised-flooring, the earth opens, and Darcy suddenly goes Down,
> Not Across. A choir of little tentacled things sings, and he achieves
> Recovery.
Oh thank GOD. That cascade was just giving me the willies, and it was
going on waaaaay too long even for me.
Anybody wanting to thank me for finally killing it off, I take cash...
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 02:41 AM, mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) said:
>I've found that it's beneficial to save the disasters for the people
>that everyone, including the other members of the luser community,
>consider to be Complete Assholes.
Ignoring the ethics of the thing, I've found that it's generally not
necessary. They will inevitably find a way to dig themselves in
deeper than the previous time. There's nothing like an honest effort,
followed by "I'm sorry, but this time you've botched things up so
badly that not even I can help you.", to bring cheer to their hearts.
--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
Back in the old days, before FIDO, when men were men and
sheep were scared, there were some real flames
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 05:30 PM, mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) said:
>Yes. Anything that sucks 1.44 times as much as ZvpebFbsg will
>blackhole itself.
1.44 times as much? Are there enough bogons in the Universe to do
that?
Rik Steenwinkel
<juergen.nie...@arcor.de> persuaded newsservers all over the
world to carry the following:
} "Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] " <ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg> wrote:
} > Pathworks
} Teamlinks
You will both die horrible deaths.
--
// Rik Steenwinkel # VMS mercenary # Enschede, Netherlands
// 1024D/CDBAE5C1
Rik Steenwinkel
} M_minimum for black holes appears to be about 3.2 suns, which is a
} bunch higher. I slouch corrected.
I've got one Sun, two Alphas and a VAX. Can I safely deploy MS-DOS?
Jeff Ramsey
wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:46:56 UTC, mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)
> persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
>
> } M_minimum for black holes appears to be about 3.2 suns, which is a
> } bunch higher. I slouch corrected.
>
> I've got one Sun, two Alphas and a VAX. Can I safely deploy MS-DOS?
>
Nobody can 'safely' deploy MS-DOS
IIRC, that sentence in a networked environment is like
calling out to the nearest clued person to don a pair of metal-spiked
golf shoes and proceed to chase you around the server closet making
noises like a broken lawnmower.
Jeff
Jeff Ramsey
> In article <slrnb6i4r2....@localhost.localdomain>,
> Jeff Ramsey <ram...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>: In article <Ysd2q9KROUC1-p...@news.xs4all.nl>, Rik Steenwinkel
>: wrote:
>: > I've got one Sun, two Alphas and a VAX. Can I safely deploy MS-DOS?
>: Nobody can 'safely' deploy MS-DOS
>
> Therefore it's the perfect server operating system.
>
> --Dave
You are forgetting that MS-DOS is now integrated with Windows, and IIRC,
there have been many a remote exploit invovling cmd.exe.
Jeff
Alan J Rosenthal
>How many remote exploits of MS-DOS have there ever been? None!
I *knew* it had something in common with a dog turd.
Chris Suslowicz
"Rik Steenwinkel" <rst...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:46:56 UTC, mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)
> persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
>
> } M_minimum for black holes appears to be about 3.2 suns, which is a
> } bunch higher. I slouch corrected.
>
> I've got one Sun, two Alphas and a VAX. Can I safely deploy MS-DOS?
Only from orbit, as a heat-shield for an anvil.
Chris.
--
I'd miss the BBC, but not if I had time to reload.
-- Terry Pratchett 13/01/2001
Mike Andrews
I think Rik's bidding for a part in the Frotz "BOFH" game --
which, BTW, I downloaded to my Palm and have been playing quite
happily all afternoon, while waiting for the paint to dry^W^W^W
crontab to run the ftp backup of my mailfilter's critical files
and maillogs.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 10:25 AM, Geoff Lane <zza...@twirl.mcc.ac.uk> said:
>Recent events indicate that SCO just reached that limit.
That was my initial thought. As usual, the Devil is in the details.
SUbsequent reports indicated that they weren't talking about some
bogus patent claim but rather about copying and distributing their
non-GPL code. Or have there been subsequent subsequent developments?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 09:57 AM, dam...@qimr.edu.au (Damian James) said:
>I don't see why. Unless I misunderstand what you and Steve are
>saying, you are right so long as ZF
That's a strange ebg13ism. ZF and ZFC have classes, while everyone
knows that rot13(ZF) has no class.
Also, Chadra's limit applies to a star collapsing solely as the result
of its own gravity. Presumably if you compressed TBFR into a
sufficiently small volume there would be a high enough LI to form a
black hole. IMHO the experiment is worth conducting.
Patrick R. Wade
>persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
>
>} M_minimum for black holes appears to be about 3.2 suns, which is a
>} bunch higher. I slouch corrected.
>
>I've got one Sun, two Alphas and a VAX.
I feel a Tom Lehrer filk coming on ...
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SteveD
together and said:
>In article <Ysd2q9KROUC1-p...@news.xs4all.nl>, Rik Steenwinkel
>wrote:
>>I've got one Sun, two Alphas and a VAX.
>
>I feel a Tom Lehrer filk coming on ...
Ah, well. If you insist.
-Ahem-
I always will remember
That eternal dark September
Unrecovered I became
As I played again their game
Arrived and saw the hardware list, it stopped me in my tracks:
Just one Sun box, two Alphas and a VAX.
This employment was no thriller
I took out my etherkiller
And jumped right into the fray,
What a mess I found that day!
I photographed the crusty junk that lurked upon the racks
Of the Sun box, the Alphas and the VAX.
The job it ate my brain, and
Drove me quite insane, and
The worst part of all - I had to endure
All the crufty cruddy scripts run-
ning their old encryption
But none of the protocols were secured!
People ask me why I do it
And I say there's nothin' to it
"Just remember that you're root
And if lusers whine - reboot."
And there's four smoked boards I've now got pinned up with tacks:
There's a Sun board, two from Alphas, and the main board from the VAX!
Tomatoes > /dev/null
-SteveD
Lieven Marchand
> That's a strange ebg13ism. ZF and ZFC have classes, while everyone
> knows that rot13(ZF) has no class.
ZF(C) doesn't have classes. GB(C) does.
--
And I'm wilder than her and it drives her out of her mind
I guess she thought that she was just one of a kind
But she's a summer storm and I'm a hurricane
One just blows through town, one blows the town away
Abigail
September MCMXCIII in <URL:news:b40ogp$7ce$1...@blacksun.leftmind.net>:
++
++ There's a word that summarizes my views on sendmail, but not only is that
++ word UI, it's also the one word that must not be uttered in the Monastery.
++
Bleh. We're not living in a Harry Potter world.
Voldem^Wqmail
There! I said it. I'm not afraid of any spirit I might channel this way.
Abigail
--
perl -Mstrict -we '$_ = "goto X.print chop;\n=rekcaH lreP rehtona tsuJ";X1:eval'
st...@madcelt.org
> st...@madcelt.org wrote:
>> Anyone out there who has no idea of what we are discussing, praise $DIETY
>> that you have been spared and do your best to keep it that way. The FPOS
>> has caused me more headaches than most of my lusers.
> I have no idea yet, but I've been told I have to build a swerver running
> the Beast to run syrkyz for some software the guys at Ork use. I'm *so*
> looking forward to it.
Run. Run now. Before it's too late. This is one of things that once you have
it on the CV you will end up doing for the rest of eternity.
Got in this morning to find we had a power outage over the weekend. The machines
shut down properly, for a change, whihc means I've finally got that antiquated
UPS talking to the server properly. Now I have to waste the morning playing
license Jenga trying to get all the iterations of flexlm talking without
spitting about the 5 other versions running. It's not even 8.30AM and I need
a drink.
--
Stevo st...@madcelt.org
"when I'm not on-line"? What does that mean?
- Paul Tomblin
st...@madcelt.org
> [...]
>> files, which I knew full well I would be able to do at the start. Does wonders
>> for the cred when you say you can't do something, then manage to achieve it.
> You missed the other side of the medal though. Another few of these, and
> you'll be perceived as the god who pulls back data out of his arse when
> Joe Luser fucks up.
> I think you should pepper your successes with a few "no can do luser!"
> and "Your data has gone ta-ta, to the happy-happy data land, and it's
> definitely much better there. Now fuck off"
Already penciled in for the request after the next one. Unless, of course it
it the data on the cyclone tracking machine. That data gets lost and lives
are at risk. It appears my Barstardry does indeed have limits.
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
But of course. LARTs applied without forethinking of the consequences
don't make you a Bastard but a bastard. Oh, and they also lose a lot
of their effectiveness, which is definitely not a bonus.
Ino!~
--
I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire
off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
st...@madcelt.org
> I think Rik's bidding for a part in the Frotz "BOFH" game --
> which, BTW, I downloaded to my Palm and have been playing quite
> happily all afternoon, while waiting for the paint to dry^W^W^W
> crontab to run the ftp backup of my mailfilter's critical files
> and maillogs.
Ooh, now you've got my attention. Where did you get the game from?
Joe Block
bi...@damaged-world.net wrote:
> In article <b455vh$119$4...@allhats.xcski.com>, David P. Murphy wrote:
> > Robert Pluim <rpl...@grandnospampied.com> wrote:
> >> (It's a particular type of software that sucks in all
> >> its various implementations, as far as I can tell).
> > That sentence makes no sense. *All* MTAs suck. They all suck hard,
> > they all suck forever, and they all suck in every direction.
>
> This is not true.
>
> While most of them suck for various lengths of time that are, at the
> extremes, the boundries for "a long time", there are a few that can only
> manage to suck for short periods of time.
encountered GroupWise and GWIA, have you?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 01:02 PM, Lieven Marchand <m...@wyrd.be> said:
>ZF(C) doesn't have classes. GB(C) does.
You're right. May I eat that crow with Gödel Bearnaise sauce? I'd like
to accompany it with some Quine water.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 05:51 AM, pa...@efn.org (Patrick R. Wade) said:
>In article <Ysd2q9KROUC1-p...@news.xs4all.nl>, Rik
>Steenwinkel wrote:
>>On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 02:46:56 UTC, mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)
>>persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
>>
>>} M_minimum for black holes appears to be about 3.2 suns, which is a
>>} bunch higher. I slouch corrected.
>>
>>I've got one Sun, two Alphas and a VAX.
>I feel a Tom Lehrer filk coming on ...
What does a purbebred Guernsey CAO look like?
Steve VanDevender
No tomatoes, just applause.
--
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ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
Little things break, circuitry burns / Time flies while my little world turns
Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
Joe Zeff
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>In <873clw4...@wyrd.be>, on 03/09/2003
> at 01:02 PM, Lieven Marchand <m...@wyrd.be> said:
>
>>ZF(C) doesn't have classes. GB(C) does.
>
>You're right. May I eat that crow with Gödel Bearnaise sauce? I'd like
>to accompany it with some Quine water.
Unless Euler carefull, the waiter will think Eucliding him.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
If you can't play with words, what good are they?
http://www.lasfs.org http://home.earthlink.net/~sidebrnz
AndyC the WB
Joe> (Legato) Networker
Comment after our recent DR test:
What's the difference between Legato Networker 6.2 and a sack of shit?
Gur Fnpx
--
AndyC the WB
Replace SPAM with Andy to reply
Mike Andrews
> At a random point in time Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> blathered insanely:
> > I think Rik's bidding for a part in the Frotz "BOFH" game --
> > which, BTW, I downloaded to my Palm and have been playing quite
> > happily all afternoon, while waiting for the paint to dry^W^W^W
> > crontab to run the ftp backup of my mailfilter's critical files
> > and maillogs.
> Ooh, now you've got my attention. Where did you get the game from?
<http://www.malinche.net> is a good starting place.
--
I just overheard someone referring to Solaris 2.6 as a "virgin
operating system". With a straight face, no less. In one sense, I can
see it. The one whereby it knows what it wants to do, it's just not
entirely sure how... -- Carl Jacobs
D. Joseph Creighton
Anthony de Boer - USEnet <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
}... but I avoid mention of specific names out of deference
}to various fellow Monks who do mind.
Try being a deviant Mac user before TiBooks or OS X. Although not as hated
as the Gates OS, the Toy OS was never thought of as useful.
QuirkyRecovery: I had my grad[1] photos taken last week. I decided that
it might be fun to get a shot of me with two machines that were new for
their time, representing the span of time it took for me to complete the
degree -- a Mac Plus and a TiBook.
[1] A few US friends informed me that there are no such formal photos
taken when completing college/university degrees -- all their cultural
efforts are put into completing and celebrating the end of High School.
I wonder if there's a hidden meaning in that...
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 01:57 PM, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> said:
>What does a purbebred Guernsey CAO look like?
Whoops! That should have ben CAU. Also, how do I work in
The LAN was very firm it
took away my Kermit
the worst punishment I've ever endured.
It turned out there was a reason
CAUs were out of season
and one of the routers wasn't ensured.
David P. Murphy
> [1] A few US friends informed me that there are no such formal photos
> taken when completing college/university degrees -- all their cultural
> efforts are put into completing and celebrating the end of High School.
> I wonder if there's a hidden meaning in that...
Yes. "University students are not as gullible as high school students."
ok
dpm
--
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systems programmer ftp://ftp.myths.com
mailto:d...@myths.com (personal)
COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO mailto:Murphy...@emc.com (work)
Graham Reed
> And there's four smoked boards I've now got pinned up with tacks:
> There's a Sun board, two from Alphas, and the main board from the VAX!
*sniff* That was just beautiful. I didn't know whether to laugh or
cry, so I did both. *applause*
(I suppose it helps that I've listened to the original so much I had a
full 88 string guitar accompanying the lyrics in my head. Don't ask
how that fit in my head.)
--
"Your gutter is on the opposite side of the street from my gutter."
-- adb
Graham Reed
> st...@madcelt.org wrote in news:3e67e182$0$14...@echo-01.iinet.net.au:
>
> > [1] Funny how the cute girls seem to get attention faster than anyone
> > else, innit?
> >
>
> Can't be helped. It's out of our control that their busisness needs are of
> so much greater importance than those of others. It's a good job that we're
> so professional.
And the other 10% of us will take care of the cute guys with similarly
critical business needs. Diversity is important in your workforce.
If I got to choose who we hired, I'd never get any work done.
Graham Reed
> While most of them suck for various lengths of time that are, at the
> extremes, the boundries for "a long time", there are a few that can only
> manage to suck for short periods of time.
I would argue that a crashed program continues to suck, even though it
is no longer doing different things. Kind of a steady-state suck.
Suckage is a failure to work usefully (cf. correctly), for
BOFH-determined values of useful.
Oh. Yes, a crashed MTA does not suck.
But a crashed PlayStation _does_ suck. Especially if you haven't
saved recently. (Missing the *@!^# turn at the mansion and rolling
down the cliffs into the damn ocean and dying sucks too, but that's
not the game's fault. Sucks even more when you do it a second time.)
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
>>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Moore <joe-u...@iegrec.org> writes:
>
> Joe> (Legato) Networker
>
>
> Comment after our recent DR test:
>
> What's the difference between Legato Networker 6.2 and a sack of shit?
Uh-uh! me! me! pick me! The difference is the price. That and the fact
that the sac of shit (depending on the producer) can be used as fertilizer
as where Nietworker cannot.
st...@madcelt.org
> On 07 Mar 2003 00:02:10 GMT,
> :
> : Anyone out there who has no idea of what we are discussing, praise $DIETY
> : that you have been spared and do your best to keep it that way. The FPOS
> My life is supporting geologists running ludicrously expensive vertical
> apps. That means I have to deal with ... that thing you named.
> But the trouble is, every other application that does ... that function ...
> is actually worse. I consider it further evidence of the evils of
> proprietary software.
Unfortunately that is sooo true. Yes this FPOS is a FPOS, but it's better
than all the other FP'sOS that do the same thing. Job[-1] was a place doing
R&D on telephone switching equipment[1] where they did a lot of work with
chip design software[2]. I thought that was as bad as it could get. The
universe took that as a challenge and decided to slap me down. Now I
get to deal with the aforementioned FPOS and Matlab, PVWave and about
a half dozen in house designed[3] pieces of software. I'm sure it can
get worse, but $DIETY knows I don't want to find out how.
[1] Now part of the Nokia empire
[2] Mostly from Xilinx
[3] In other words, badly written
> (Diva's Law of Software: quality is inversely proportional to price.)
Stevo's Addendum to Diva's Law of Software: But try explaining that to the PHB
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
PHB's Law of Software: It's expensive, therefore it must be worth it.
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:31:30 GMT, Joe Zeff said:
>>There's a scandalous rumor that "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
>><spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>In <873clw4...@wyrd.be>, on 03/09/2003
>>> at 01:02 PM, Lieven Marchand <m...@wyrd.be> said:
>>>
>>>>ZF(C) doesn't have classes. GB(C) does.
>>>
>>>You're right. May I eat that crow with Gödel Bearnaise sauce? I'd like
>>>to accompany it with some Quine water.
>>
>>Unless Euler carefull, the waiter will think Eucliding him.
>
Poincarre taken.
Greg Andrews
>
>PHB's Law of Software: It's expensive, therefore it must be worth it.
>
s/Law/Myth/
-Greg
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::::::::::::::: Greg Andrews :::::: ge...@panix.com :::::::::::::::
Sex is the mathematics urge sublimated.
-- M. C. Reed.
Stuart Lamble
> In article <awvfyrf...@andy-yvonne.demon.co.uk>, AndyC the WB wrote:
>> What's the difference between Legato Networker 6.2 and a sack of shit?
>
> Uh-uh! me! me! pick me! The difference is the price. That and the fact
> that the sac of shit (depending on the producer) can be used as fertilizer
> as where Nietworker cannot.
You also forgot that Nyetworker needs a gazillion bucks worth of
computer equipment in order to completely and utterly ignore your every
command.
--
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the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet".
Richard Bos
> D. Joseph Creighton <d...@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
>
> > [1] A few US friends informed me that there are no such formal photos
> > taken when completing college/university degrees -- all their cultural
> > efforts are put into completing and celebrating the end of High School.
> > I wonder if there's a hidden meaning in that...
>
> Yes. "University students are not as gullible as high school students."
This is true only in the same way that Win'98 with 'Service' Pack does
not suck as much as Win'98 without SP.
Richard
Arvid Grøtting
> What does it do if you DON'T install it?
The same, but you have failed to comply with manglement decisions and
showed lack of cooperation.
--
Arvid
Stuart Lamble
Juergen Nieveler wrote:
> Stuart Lamble <7d3-...@carousel.its.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> You also forgot that Nyetworker needs a gazillion bucks worth of
>> computer equipment in order to completely and utterly ignore your
>> every command.
>
>
> What does it do if you DON'T install it?
The master coughed and shifted his position slightly.
"The lesson is over for today," he said.
(Zero points -- if you can't STR, what are you doing here?)
Richard Bos
> Stuart Lamble <7d3-...@carousel.its.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>
> > You also forgot that Nyetworker needs a gazillion bucks worth of
> > computer equipment in order to completely and utterly ignore your
> > every command.
>
> You mean you have to install it so that it does nothing?
>
> What does it do if you DON'T install it?
Nothing, but in a less interesting way.
Richard
Joe Moore
AndyC the WB <sp...@cunningham.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Moore <joe-u...@iegrec.org> writes:
> Joe> (Legato) Networker
>
>Gur Fnpx
Well, I'm just glad "6.2" is not for out platform.
Unfortunately, there's constant talk around here about replacing our
"company standard from before the merger" with "the new company's standard
that wasn't a standard before the merger"[0]. Which I have seen before, and
know that it sucks _very much_ differently than the current product, but
by no stretch of the imagination, less than the current product.
--Joe
[0] Each major group had their own solution for backups. So there were no
less than 8 different backup software solutions. Of course, they pick this
one as the "standard".
--
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remove dash and subsequent local part to email me.
Mike Andrews
/less interesting/safer and more reliable/
--
Most people aren't thought about after they're gone. "I wonder where
Bob got the plutonium" is better than most get.
-- Robert Uhl, in rec.org.sca
Richard Bos
> Richard Bos <r...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:
> > Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
>
> > > Stuart Lamble <7d3-...@carousel.its.monash.edu.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You also forgot that Nyetworker needs a gazillion bucks worth of
> > > > computer equipment in order to completely and utterly ignore your
> > > > every command.
> > >
> > > You mean you have to install it so that it does nothing?
> > >
> > > What does it do if you DON'T install it?
>
> > Nothing, but in a less interesting way.
>
> /less interesting/safer and more reliable/
Isn't this always the case?
If it were safe and reliable, it wouldn't interest a monk in the first
place.
Richard
Jeff Ramsey
> Richard Bos <r...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:
>> Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
>
>> > Stuart Lamble <7d3-...@carousel.its.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>> >
>> > > You also forgot that Nyetworker needs a gazillion bucks worth of
>> > > computer equipment in order to completely and utterly ignore your
>> > > every command.
>> >
>> > You mean you have to install it so that it does nothing?
>> >
>> > What does it do if you DON'T install it?
>
>> Nothing, but in a less interesting way.
>
> /less interesting/safer and more reliable/
>
Safer in the same sense that it would be safer to just say
"fsck it all", move to the eastern most side of the Cascades, and
proceed to grow Things We All Should Eat in the dirt? There it is,
people; that is my dream.[1]
[Here come a rant]
I was awakened this AM approximatly 3 hours early, and now my
NT server not only needs the three fans that I've stuck inside the
case, but also a great big tripod fan situated right in front of it.[2]
Does anybody honestly think it'll be on my mind two weeks from now
when I'm in .hi.us? Gee... Let me think.
[1] Do all SysAdmins live such sad lives as me?
[2] The kind normally reserved to cooling a whole room. I stole^H^H^H^H^H
borrowed this one from the board room.
--
Jeff
Florian M. Weps
> In article <slrnb6q9r9...@puma.qimr.edu.au>, Damian James wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:31:30 GMT, Joe Zeff said:
> >>There's a scandalous rumor that "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
> >><spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>Unless Euler carefull, the waiter will think Eucliding him.
> >
> > I'm Gaussing that he might think you have Descartes before de horse.
>
> Poincarre taken.
Stand well Lebesgue! Move back please! We are Abel of Stirling up a
cascade once in a Weyl.
Florian
Earl Grey
> Does anybody honestly think it'll be on my mind two weeks from now
> when I'm in .hi.us? Gee... Let me think.
Lots and LOTS of Gordon Biersch at the Aloha Tower Marketplace is indicated.
Okay, the Pier Bar is pretty good, too.
If, that is, you're in honolulu.hi.us.