A REAL SHOCKER: NASA ADMITS Extraterrestrials CRASHED AT ROSWELL in 1947!!!
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers Å.S.Å.
snippets from the TeeVee on the way to the kitchen!
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH AMERICAN COMPUTER PRESIDENT JACK SHULMAN ON THE
ROSWELL/BELL LABS CONTROVERSY
[Since mid-August, a controversy has raged on the internet concerning highly
provocative information posted on the web site of American Computer Company
(see CNI News of September 16, 1997; and visit ACC's web site:
http://www.american-computer.com). In brief, ACC has suggested that the
historic invention of the transistor at Bell Laboratories in December, 1947
might have been aided by covert transfer of technology from an alien
spacecraft recovered near Roswell, New Mexico. This suggestion directly
parallels similar claims made by Lt. Col. Philip Corso in his recent book,
"The Day After Roswell." However, ACC personnel state they had no knowledge
of Corso or his book, but relied instead on information provided by a
"consultant" who remains nameless.
American Computer's president and chief technical officer is Jack Shulman. In
recent weeks, Shulman himself has come under scrutiny by UFO researchers, as
have several other people who have presumed to speak in a seemingly
authoritative way on behalf of American Computer. Chief among these "others"
are one Ed Wang and one Bob Wolf. Pronouncements attributed to these two
persons have raised suspicions that Shulman himself may have been writing
under one or several pseudonyms.
CNI News, working in cooperation with radio host Jeff Rense of the popular
syndicated program "Sightings on the Radio," [see Jeff's web site at
http://www.sightings.com], is seeking to verify or dispel the various rumors
swirling around ACC and the person of Jack Shulman, so that public attention
can be refocused to the significant issues raised on the American Computer
web site. This special supplement to the October 1 edition of CNI News is
directed to that goal.
The following is an edited transcript of a telephone interview between Jeff
Rense and Jack Shulman which took place on September 29. Jeff Rense and CNI
News editor Michael Lindemann consulted together on the questions to be asked
prior to the call.
CNI News recognizes that the statements made by Shulman in this interview by
no means satisfy all the questions we would like to have answered. However,
we hope that this information represents a contribution to the ongoing
investigation of this unusual case.
Thanks to Jeff Rense for sharing the complete contents of this interview with
CNI News.]
JEFF RENSE: It's September 29, and we're talking with American Computer
Company president Jack Shulman. To begin with, are you, Jack Shulman, writing
under the pseudonym "Ed Wang"?
JACK SHULMAN: No
RENSE: Have you ever met Ed Wang?
SHULMAN: No.
RENSE: Have you ever talked to anyone calling himself Ed Wang?
SHULMAN:: Yes, he's called here a couple of times. At one time he had asked
us if he could use an account at one of the computer science associations
nearby to access the internet for the purpose of investigative reporting.
That predated this whole controversy. We did in fact give him an account to
use, back about eleven months ago. I don't remember what he was investigating
at that time. Then somebody raised his name, in about the early part of
August, asking us if we could verify something that he had paraphrased from
one of the stories on our web site. Since he had paraphrased, and it was all
quoted and everything, it would have been just as easy for that party to just
look at our web page. So we said, "If you'll look at our web page, you'll see
that whatever he's paraphrased here does appear to resemble exactly the words
that are on the web page." To my knowledge, the only other contact we've had
with Ed Wang is an occasional call from him, much as you've called me today,
and others such as Stig Agermose, who have contacted us to ask questions.
RENSE: Who is Bob Wolf? Does he mean anything to American Computer?
SHULMAN: Again, he's one of the people, like Jared Anderson, Ed Wang, Linda
Moulton Howe, yourself and others, who've written us. There have been dozens
of people who have either written us or called us for information. I have
spoken to Bob Wolf at length by phone. I have not personally met the guy. He
does appear to be a very nice fellow. He's given me some very interesting
information. I don't know if I'd take all of it without the proverbial grain
of salt, because he has told me some things that led me to believe there are
parts of his background that he doesn't want to disclose to me. Apparently he
worked for the U.S. Navy as a Seal, but I can't verify that. I can't call the
Seals organization and ask if this guy was a Seal. They won't respond to
that.
RENSE: What is your purpose in exposing the Roswell/Bell Labs allegations on
the ACC web site, thereby attaching your credibility, for better or worse,
not only to Roswell, but to claims concerning Bell Labs' access to alien
technology -- claims which either must be substantiated, or which could make
you look like a nut, or a disinformer?
SHULMAN: I don't think there was any purpose -- either to look like nut, a
disinformer, a credible source or anything -- taken into consideration at
first. We had a consultant come to me and tell me this story. At first, I was
quite skeptical about it. I knew a lot of the facts, because they are pretty
much matters of record, but had always thought that the reason there was a
cloud of -- shall we say -- controversy about the exact origins of William
Shockley's transistor was that it stemmed perhaps from a prehistory that AT&T
didn't care to disclose. I didn't have any idea, up until the time that the
consultant came to me and raised these issues, that it might in fact be
related to the Roswell incident. I originally thought [the origin] was
something like German rocket scientists....
RENSE: How did this consultant come to you?
SHULMAN: I had known the consultant years ago. We had met each other in the
hinterlands of AT&T. I've worked on and off in AT&T contracts over the course
of a couple of decades. And about a year ago, in my capacity as the
chairperson of the American Computer Science Foundation, I was asked to
review materials that pertained to an ongoing investigation of telephone
company practices that were pertinent to the success of the computer
industry, during the course of which I happened to come across some fairly
strong allegations that were made by the consultant in the dominion of that
specific investigation. I was not at that time informed of the possibility of
an alien technology transfer. It was not until he came to me personally and
suggested it that I said to him, "Well, you're going to have to show me some
bonafide evidence before I even consider this." About six months later he
came back to me with what appeared to me to be... some evidence that might
suggest in fact that the transistor came from some kind of a project
involving investigation into an alien technology of some kind.
RENSE: Can you elaborate on that evidence at all?
SHULMAN: I can tell you that I have seen what appears to be some notes from
someone. However, I cannot verify their authenticity, so I'd really not like
to describe them in any detail. Frankly, Jeff, I grow concerned about leading
people in the wrong direction. They did give me the appearance of a lab
notebook, of a lab-keeper's notebook. In fact, they did appear to describe or
have an actual memorandum referring to a disinformation campaign in late 1947
at AT&T. But again, they could have been a complete forgery. They could have
been anything. They might have been legitimate too. At that particular
juncture, I said to him, "OK, this now looks like it's fairly conceivable it
might have happened, if in fact this is bonafide." So he suggested to me, Why
don't we at the American Computer Science Foundation post some kind of white
paper on the subject? I said we really can't do that. He asked me why, and I
said to him that it was because American Computer Science Foundation carries
the weight of its membership companies, etc., all of which might lend a
greater weight, in essence underwriting the credibility of this story in a
way that I would not intend it to. I would prefer that the information
somehow stand on its own. Well, he pestered me for a couple of months. We
were talking over coffee, reviewing the whole thing, and he suggested, "Why
don't you put it on your American Computer Company web site?" I said I can't
do that, because it might [reflect badly on ACC]. So he said -- and I'll be
blunt with you here -- "Why don't you make it look humorous? That way, you
have a plausibly deniable excuse." I said, "It IS humorous, in a way, because
if you look at it, you have a company -- if in fact they did obtain
technology from a technology transfer source -- that's been running around
for fifty years trying to hide that fact." That's funny. Why would anybody do
that? It struck me at that particular moment that AT&T would have been better
off admitting it. So I said, "OK, why don't we make it appear in its proper
light -- as outrageous and/or funny -- and put it on the ACC web site and see
if we get any reaction at all from anybody who reads it. Perhaps if it
strikes a chord, somebody will contact us and tell us whether this is
ridiculous or not." Initially, we did not expect anyone from your
investigative arena to even notice the story. At least I didn't. The
consultant may have, but I did not. I initially thought that people would see
it in passing and would say, hmm, how interesting, how humorous, or whatever.
RENSE: You had no idea of the potential scope of this?
SHULMAN: Well, interestingly, exactly what I thought might happen did happen
-- that is, it struck a chord with somebody and they wrote us. Sure enough,
the first week someone wrote us and said, "Yes, my father worked for
AT&T/Bell Labs in 1947, and in the early '60s took me to see a UFO." I was
flabbergasted, absolutely floored. You could have knocked me over with a
feather at that moment. Not because I was skeptical, but in the context of
how ridiculous it makes AT&T look, I found it to be humorous. What, are they
crazy? Why didn't they come out with it in 1947? The world would have been in
their debt. AT&T would have been the greatest company that ever lived. Why
would they hide it?
It was then that the full import of the suggestion of profiteering began to
occur to me. If in fact this were true, the profiteering aspect was something
that none of us considered. If people were ready to make billions and
billions of dollars for 200 years on this kind of technology, and it came
from an "alien source," they would keep it a secret -- because if it came
from outside of AT&T, it wouldn't belong to AT&T. It hadn't even dawned on
us, because we were looking at it from the perspective of how amazing the
story is, how earthshaking, and how silly it would be to keep it a secret --
until we began to realize who was in the business of profiting from this kind
of technology.
RENSE: Do you have any relationship with Bell Labs now, Jack?
SHULMAN: Not really. They call us every once in a while to look at buying
equipment, but I am no longer personally doing any consulting for Bell Labs.
RENSE: Does the consultant?
SHULMAN: Occasionally. He or she does communications-related consulting in
the defense industries, and very specifically his or her identity is being
withheld for security reasons.
RENSE: Has the consultant expressed to you any surprise at the amount of
internet interest in this story?
SHULMAN: He and several of our public relations consultant clients said that,
frankly, it will do quite well as a story on the internet because it will
serve to brighten up the interest of some very frustrated people. This
information will give people in your investigative field some leverage in
dealing with the whole subject. Even if the entire story might not be 100
percent accurate for whatever reason, the facts described in our story are
materially largely true. For instance -- and it's been interesting to see how
many people have reacted adversely to this suggestion -- if you take a look
at the part about the Nike-Ajax missile bases, and the anti-aircraft guns
that preceded them, in and around AT&T down in Red Bank, outside of
Crawford's Corners, up in Murray Hill and over in Holmdel, it's almost
shocking to discover that, while New York City and New Jersey sat undefended,
AT&T had both anti-aircraft and then anti-missile batteries constructed
around them in the 1940s and 1950s. This is painfully humorous. It actually
hurts to consider that AT&T and Bell Labs are more important than the
citizens of our country. So I'm thinking, wow, there must be more than just
the labs there. Because I know something about the research community, and I
don't know that there is anything at AT&T from 1947 to 1997 that was
irreplaceable. Whereas, when I think of places like the Applied Physics
Laboratory, Cold Springs Harbor, Lawrence Livermore -- there are projects
going on there that are not reproducible, and I'm not sure they all have
Nike-Ajax missile bases around them.
RENSE: Concerning the allegations about Bell Labs, then, would you say that
you are a conduit for someone else's information?
SHULMAN: Yes, we are providing a forum. To date, only Motorola from the AT&T
arena has tried to dispute it. AT&T appears to be remaining mute on the
subject. And Lucent has remained mute, although I must tell you that our
relationship with Lucent on the technical support side -- because we support
some of Lucent's products on the AT&T phone systems -- has been less than
warm since August 15. We've actually been hung up on a few times.
RENSE: But have you had anyone call up and tell you, Jack, you've really
stepped across the boundary here?
SHULMAN: No, not thus far. We've gotten a couple of nasty letters from people
who didn't provide a return email address. But we're just trying to provide a
forum for people to hear these facts and either disprove them or prove them.
There's nothing worse, in my view, than something like this that's left open
to conjecture indefinitely, because it does nothing but hurt the people who
try to consider it, and I think it hurts the country to some degree. I think
it weakens our country. The fact that people will continuously arrive at the
conclusion, for instance, that either the DoD, or the president, or someone
like that is not disclosing facts to them that they ought to disclose, leads
to the kind of thinking that undermines our democratic system. It tends to
erode our confidence in government, and I think our confidence in government
really needs to be reinforced.
RENSE: Is American Computer consciously part of a larger coordinated campaign
of public disclosure or education aimed at revealing things about the alleged
alien presence on earth?
SHULMAN: No. Not unless you call ACC's own campaign that broader one. Nobody
came to us other than this consultant.
RENSE: So would you say that Jack Shulman, as a matter of conscience and
patriotism, independently decided to put this on his web site?
SHULMAN: Conscience, yes, simply because I thought that the facts deserved
disclosure and consideration. The public should know. Even if they're not
true, the fact is they appear to have some degree of plausibility, so they
should be considered on their own weight.
By the way, I was caught completely off guard by Colonel Corso's book. I did
not know the book existed until Jared Anderson called here and spoke to John
Schwartz, one of my VPs, who got me on the phone immediately and said, "Did
you know there's a book that describes transfers of technology from either
Roswell or some other crash to AT&T?" That was the first I heard of it.
As for what you call patriotism: We are our government, Jeff. The government
is us. We have this perception of a dyspeptic, detached entity with X-Files
guys running around in it, Men-in-Black running around in it, abusive IRS
guys running around in it -- all those reasons are used by people who are
insurrectional in their thinking. I don't happen to share those views. I
happen to love this country and the people who live here, and I think that if
they have a gripe or a beef, it deserves to be aired. And this is one of
those that appears to deserve to be aired.... I raised that very issue in a
letter to, dare I say, Secretary of Defense William Cohen. I stated my
concern that -- what do they say, "Sooth the savage beast"? -- I'm concerned
that a "savage beast" will emerge eventually from the disinformation, lack of
information, strangely conflicting or compelling stories, and the lack of a
basic kind of town-hall sit-down to discuss these matters. I mean, how
expensive is it for the government to respond to a million FOIA requests a
year, compared with one concerted effort to gather all the information, keep
it pure, break down a few barriers that might be left over from some nameless
classified project....?
RENSE: It sounds like you don't subscribe to the idea of a fifty-year,
coordinated cover-up of the UFO subject.
SHULMAN: I think I would have to see actual evidence of a coordinated
cover-up. It's not that I don't subscribe to it. It's that I don't as yet see
evidence of anything other than bureaucracy, technical deficiencies in
requests [for information], a disinclination on the part of the government to
discuss the matter. I think, if anything, I'd call it a fifty-year
disinclination, rather than cover-up.
RENSE: But the reasons for that "disinclination" are the key...
SHULMAN: That's correct. That's one of the things we raised in the Shadowlake
Invitation page on our web site [an open letter to the Secretary of Defense,
Joint Chiefs of Staff and other top officials to participate in an open forum
on the subject of UFOs.]
RENSE: That letter has caused a lot of reaction. Who wrote that?
SHULMAN: It was written by American Computer Company. You have people working
here, including myself, who are less than inclined to seek the public
spotlight on this issue. We are not what you'd call publicity hounds.
RENSE: I understand. What is your personal opinion about the ET issue, vis a
vis our military and our government?
SHULMAN: My personal opinion is a very troubled one. I have a degree of
personal integrity that forbids my [drawing conclusions] until I've seen the
absolute facts. I have not concluded one way or the other. But I am inclined
to believe that it is more likely that there is some shred of truth to
visitation than that there is no shred of truth.
RENSE: Do you expect any more information from your consultant to come
through ACC's web site?
SHULMAN: I can't say at this moment. We have a plan in place, that we're
considering, to raise the ante a little bit to try to generate some kind of
reaction out of the Department of Defense that might lean toward the
town-hall, public-forum type of meeting. But I really don't want to reveal
any more about this now.
RENSE: Is the consultant's agenda, in your opinion, personal, or is he or she
being directed by any agency?
SHULMAN: The consultant does not work, to my knowledge, on this particular
story for any agency, because that would probably violate the consultant's
security oath. The consultant has been advised, and has advised us, that the
information that he or she has given us is "allowed" to be given to us by
whatever agency he or she consults to, because the information was obtained
other than through their employment by the U.S. government. Meaning, the guy
worked at AT&T, came across this information, and was not working for the
federal government at the time, so the federal government cannot prevent him
or her from releasing it to us. But to be very distinct here... the federal
government is not particularly happy that the information is being given out.
RENSE: How do you know that?
SHULMAN: That's a comment from the consultant. He said, "I don't think
they're happy that I'm talking. I don't think they're upset, but I don't
think they're happy."
RENSE: To summarize: Would you say that you think the information given by
the consultant is credible and believable? This seems to go without saying,
or you wouldn't have put it on your web site.
SHULMAN: "The information" is rather broad. There are a lot of different
parts to this, and some feel more accurate to me than others.
RENSE: On balance, would you say that ACC's web postings on this subject are
important?
SHULMAN: That's been said to me. Again, we did not do it to attract this kind
of publicity. We did it because we thought we would attract some interest
from someone, somewhere, who might know whether it's true or not -- meaning
other than from sources that the consultant has, such as past contacts with
John Morton [formerly of Bell Labs], William Shockley, others at AT&T and
Defense who were involved with him at the time. The problem is, too many
people are trying to read into it, Jeff. If it's true, it's true -- if it's
not, it's not. I was not there in 1947. I cannot swear if it is or isn't. A
complete charade could be presented to me, and I could be fooled if it were
presented properly. It could be suggested that the consultant is a bold-faced
liar, or that he has had information given to him that is untrue but looks
very plausible and believable at the level of detail that we presently know.
RENSE: Thanks very much for your time.
[Jeff Rense has invited Jack Shulman to be a live guest on "Sightings on the
Radio," where many of the foregoing issues might be explored in greater
depth. No date for that interview has yet been announced. Meanwhile, CNI News
will continue to pursue the ACC/Bell Labs/Roswell story.]
Shon Howell
Wholeflaffers Å.S.Å. at nos...@newsranger.com wrote on 12/27/03 1:22 AM:
Okay, no more pretending that Jeff Rense has any credibility.
no name
There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by going
into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the only
ones who can hear you in space.
~An Admirer~
PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if you'd
just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo admit
thsat they aliens are on Mars.
Bats
>snippets from the TeeVee on the way to the kitchen!
Gee, that's quite a lot of detailed info for "only a few snippets"!
Them aliens must have been busy on your memory - or something.
John Baker
"no name" <oo...@doobie.com> wrote in message
news:bscruvka9me8k83lh...@4ax.com...
<sigh> The effects of drug abuse can be really sad sometimes....
no name
I take no drugs, you twit.
>
>
>
no name
Are you inferring the sale of drugs by the CIA paid in part for the missions
to Mars?
>
>
>
Fred Garvin
Go away you stupid fuckstain.
Fred Garvin
>><sigh> The effects of drug abuse can be really sad sometimes....
>
> Are you inferring the sale of drugs by the CIA paid in part for the
> missions to Mars?
He inferring that you're s stupid bastard.
He's right.
no name
[...]
>Go away you stupid fuckstain.
\Error in your reasoning noted.
Perhaps this would help:
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/f/fallacies.htm#Ad%20Hominem
A fallacy is a kind of error in reasoning. The alphabetical list below
provides explanations and examples of 157 of the most common fallacies.
Fallacies should not be persuasive, but they often are. Sometimes reasoners
produce a fallacy unintentionally, but on other occasions the intent is to
mislead others. The vast majority of the commonly identified fallacies
involve arguments, although some involve explanations, or definitions, or
other products of reasoning. Sometimes the term "fallacy" is used even more
broadly to indicate any false belief or cause of a false belief. The list
below includes some fallacies of this sort, but most of its fallacies
involve errors of reasoning, and among the errors of reasoning, the emphasis
is on errors in arguing informally in natural language.
no name
[...]
>He inferring that you're s stupid bastard.
Ad hominem alert!
>
>He's right.
He's got a faliure of reasoning.
DrPostman
Then sadly, you have no excuse. At least addiction would have
explained a lot.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com
"Shake it like a polaroid picture."
- Andre 3000 of Outkast
no name
>On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:44:06 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:43:24 GMT, "John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"no name" <oo...@doobie.com> wrote in message
>>>news:bscruvka9me8k83lh...@4ax.com...
>>>> Dear NASA,
>>>>
>>>> There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
>>>> technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by going
>>>> into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
>>>>
>>>> You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the only
>>>> ones who can hear you in space.
>>>>
>>>> ~An Admirer~
>>>>
>>>> PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if you'd
>>>> just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo admit
>>>> thsat they aliens are on Mars.
>>>
>>><sigh> The effects of drug abuse can be really sad sometimes....
>>
>>I take no drugs, you twit.
>
>Then sadly, you have no excuse. At least addiction would have
>explained a lot.
You have NO humor what so ever. Grow a grin, will ya fella?
pragmatist
We need something to replace the Zetas don't we?
Otherwise what would we do for agravation?
-Pragmatist
"I refuse to be intimidated by reality anymore." - Lilly Tomlin - 'Trudy`.
DrPostman
Wipe the foam from your's first.
DrPostman
wrote:
Nancy hasn't quite gone away yet.
Laura
"DrPostman" <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message
news:pcusuvor1mhpk4okm...@4ax.com...
> On 27 Dec 2003 20:45:07 -0800, ilsd...@netscape.net (pragmatist)
> wrote:
>
> >"Bats" <Ba...@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.27...@nomail.com>...
> >> >At least I'm pretty sure NASA admitted that. I only heard a few
> >> >snippets from the TeeVee on the way to the kitchen!
> >>
> >> Gee, that's quite a lot of detailed info for "only a few snippets"!
> >> Them aliens must have been busy on your memory - or something.
> >
> >We need something to replace the Zetas don't we?
> >Otherwise what would we do for agravation?
> >-Pragmatist
> >"I refuse to be intimidated by reality anymore." - Lilly Tomlin -
'Trudy`.
>
>
> Nancy hasn't quite gone away yet.
>
She's still as active as ever. She just changes her story whenever facts
don't quite seem to fit :-)
And there are still plenty of poor people with a trunk full of canned food
and camping gear, ready to head for the hills.
DrPostman
Yep, it seems that idiots abound.
Pietro Sommavilla
Hey ! Laura ! I mean...Sarah ! are you still around ?
judoka_61
Chosp
Then perhaps you should start.
Pietro Sommavilla
no name
>
>"no name" <oo...@doobie.com> wrote in message
>news:o7oruvk0a6quc9vpu...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:43:24 GMT, "John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"no name" <oo...@doobie.com> wrote in message
>> >news:bscruvka9me8k83lh...@4ax.com...
>> >> Dear NASA,
>> >>
>> >> There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
>> >> technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by
>going
>> >> into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
>> >>
>> >> You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the
>only
>> >> ones who can hear you in space.
>> >>
>> >> ~An Admirer~
>> >>
>> >> PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if
>you'd
>> >> just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo
>admit
>> >> thsat they aliens are on Mars.
>> >
>> ><sigh> The effects of drug abuse can be really sad sometimes....
>>
>> I take no drugs, you twit.
>
>Then perhaps you should start.
What and make the world' drug cartel more wealthy than they are? We'll
never get to Mars taking drugs. So I don't.
>
>
no name
wrote:
Thanks, that's quite true. And here's a shocker for our Usenet hecklers:
They can't win by lying. It's counterproductive to the Universe. If a
truth is known, to deny it and cover it up sets in motion a chain of events
which will destroy them.
It's the law of the Universre. God hates liars.
Chosp
You will never get to Mars under any circumstances.
Drugs may be your only option.
no name
Well my advice to NASA then is start taking the drugs the CIA is selling on
the streets, 'cause that's the ONLY way they're gonna get to Marz, bucko.
Ugly Bob
"Pietro Sommavilla" <judo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd27f7c5.03122...@posting.google.com...
No, she left ages ago.
Pietro Sommavilla
> On 28 Dec 2003 07:59:15 -0800, judo...@hotmail.com (Pietro Sommavilla)
> wrote:
>
> >Fred Garvin <Gar...@Truss.net> wrote in message news:<bsl49n$4f6$4...@216.221.129.15>...
> >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:37:29 -0500, no name wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear NASA,
> >> >
> >> > There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
> >> > technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by going
> >> > into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
> >> >
> >> > You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the only
> >> > ones who can hear you in space.
> >> >
> >> > ~An Admirer~
> >> >
> >> > PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if you'd
> >> > just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo
> >> > admit thsat they aliens are on Mars.
> >>
> >>
> >> Go away you stupid fuckstain.
> >
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/judoka_61/Sock_Puppets.html
> Thanks, that's quite true. And here's a shocker for our Usenet hecklers:
...you welcome
> They can't win by lying. It's counterproductive to the Universe. If a
> truth is known, to deny it and cover it up sets in motion a chain of events
> which will destroy them.
> It's the law of the Universre. God hates liars.
God hates nobody..rather each of us choose our future lesson..of life.
Don't forget that in past "we" was like ..them.
This material world is part of the cosmic drama a fight between the
good and the evil...so I guess, we should forgive those people that
hate the truth, they will learn their lesson (maybe they need another
1000 life in this planet)
I hope.
judoka_61
Fred Garvin
BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAburpHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHbeltchHAHAHAHAH!!!
Fred Garvin
>>
>>You will never get to Mars under any circumstances. Drugs may be your
>>only option.
>
> Well my advice to NASA then is start taking the drugs the CIA is selling
> on the streets, 'cause that's the ONLY way they're gonna get to Marz,
> bucko.
(Sarcasm mode on)
I'd like to thank the parents and teachers of the world for doing such a
great job with the children.
(Sarcasm mode off)
no name
God is a metaphor.
no name
Quit whining and do something about it. Do you children take drugs? Do
you?
no name
wrote:
God is a metaphor.
>rather each of us choose our future lesson..of life.
Each os us is a living example of our 'God'.
>Don't forget that in past "we" was like ..them.
>This material world is part of the cosmic drama a fight between the
>good and the evil...
Good and evil is a false dichotomy created by the human mind.
>so I guess, we should forgive those people that
>hate the truth, they will learn their lesson (maybe they need another
>1000 life in this planet)
>I hope.
There is nothing to forgive. Forgiveness is only understanding.
Laura
"Pietro Sommavilla" <judo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd27f7c5.03122...@posting.google.com...
Huh? I've only ever gone by the name of Laura. Never Sarah :-)
You're probably mistaking me for someone else.
OhBrother
O'
Pietro Sommavilla
>>Laura aka Sarah wrote:
>>>Hey ! Laura ! I mean...Sarah ! are you still around ?
>>Huh? I've only ever gone by the name of Laura. Never Sarah :-)
You're >>probably mistaking me for someone else.
....PoOoP !!!
> Don't mind Pietro, he's reality challenged.
>
> O'
Hey ! I told you already..you (a couple of punk) and your sock-puppets
get pay to do this "musical"...it will not work anymore so give up.
judoka_61
Pietro Sommavilla
Ok,then let's understand..them.
judoka_61
Jim Phillips
> Dear NASA,
>
> There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
> technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by going
> into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
>
> You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the only
> ones who can hear you in space.
>
> ~An Admirer~
>
> PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if you'd
> just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo admit
> thsat they aliens are on Mars.
Nowhere in the above is there any quote from NASA where they admit
ETs are on Mars. Are you a habitual liar, or is this a special case?
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
Joel: "So, what do you want for Christmas?"
Crow: "I want to decide who lives and who dies."
no name
no name
>On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, no name wrote:
>
>> Dear NASA,
>>
>> There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
>> technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by going
>> into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
>>
>> You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the only
>> ones who can hear you in space.
>>
>> ~An Admirer~
>>
>> PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if you'd
>> just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo admit
>> thsat they aliens are on Mars.
>
> Nowhere in the above is there any quote from NASA where they admit
>ETs are on Mars. Are you a habitual liar, or is this a special case?
This is a special case. ;-)
Jim Phillips
Ah, but how am I to believe you? You've shown that you can lie, so
I'll need more evidence than just your word. Call me a skeptic. ;)
no name
>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, no name wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:45:35 -0500, Jim Phillips <jphi...@bcpl.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, no name wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear NASA,
>> >>
>> >> There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
>> >> technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by going
>> >> into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
>> >>
>> >> You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the only
>> >> ones who can hear you in space.
>> >>
>> >> ~An Admirer~
>> >>
>> >> PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if you'd
>> >> just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo admit
>> >> thsat they aliens are on Mars.
>> >
>> > Nowhere in the above is there any quote from NASA where they admit
>> >ETs are on Mars. Are you a habitual liar, or is this a special case?
>>
>> This is a special case. ;-)
>
> Ah, but how am I to believe you?
The person I dated who was a big wig at NASA told me that NASA has many
pictures of extraterrestrial craft on and near Mars. This person also told
me that NASA has NO explanation for their missing and malfunctioning Mars
vehicles and they are certain their Mars missions are deliberately being
tampered with. We even discussed the cost of the lost missions. We also
discussed the fact that many of the NASA employees are fearful of the
aliens. I was asked if I was fearful, and I told them I got tired of being
fearful.
Also my State Department contacts also verified that the Mars missions were
being tampered with or taken by the aliens. The SD also said that the
aliens find it quite amusing. The SD also said there was a correlation --
seems any mission is space which is not STRICTLY for scientific inquiry is
being tampered with or removed -- BUT none of those missions resulted in the
death of any astronauts.
> You've shown that you can lie,
I've deliberately lied twice in the past year, and in both instances they
were not on these newsgroups -- they were about personal matters and had
nothing to do with aliens or NASA. In both instances the lies were told to
protect someone's personal safety.
>so I'll need more evidence than just your word. Call me a skeptic. ;)
That's fine. :)
Pietro Sommavilla
>>Nancy hasn't quite gone away yet.
>She's still as active as ever. She just changes her story whenever facts
>don't quite seem to fit :-)
>And there are still plenty of poor people with a trunk full of canned food
>and camping gear, ready to head for the hills.
Hey ! Laura ! I mean...Sarah ! are you still around ?
> Huh? I've only ever gone by the name of Laura. Never Sarah :-)
> You're probably mistaking me for someone else.
OhBrother
"Pietro Sommavilla" <judo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd27f7c5.03122...@posting.google.com...
news:<RBTHb.24786$T2.2...@fe1.columbus.rr.com>...
> > Don't mind Pietro, he's reality challenged.
> >
> > O'
>
> Hey ! I told you already..you (a couple of punk) and your sock-puppets
> get pay to do this "musical"...it will not work anymore so give up.
>
> judoka_61
KOoK mEltd0wnN ph@se 2, out come the accusations of paid debunkers. Seems
to be on the same trajectory as the QueenZ herself.
O'
no name
> paid debunkers.
The US State Department admits AAV and the alien newsgroups are nothing but
paid debunkers, hecklers, trollers, and psychological operatives.
The CIA also admits they're paid to post here. So? What else did you
expect?
I'm not bring paid to post here.
DrPostman
Sommavilla) wrote:
How high can you piss up a rope?
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com
"Shake it like a polaroid picture."
- Andre 3000 of Outkast
no name
[...]
>How high can you piss up a rope?
Not as high as Mars. And that's where the aliens are going to take their
genetically modified humans if Bush blows up the world.
no name
And that time is getting very, very close. Actually it's not *if* but when,
Bush (world's power elite) in the most haughty, arrogant manner possible,
without even trying to cover hus tracks, attacked the USA and has caused 2
major wars which have left the USA in financial shambles.
But they can't have Mars.
John Baker
"Pietro Sommavilla" <judo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd27f7c5.03122...@posting.google.com...
Where's Planet X, Pietro? It's running a bit late, wouldn't you say?
>
> judoka_61
John Baker
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:43:24 GMT, "John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"no name" <oo...@doobie.com> wrote in message
> >> Dear NASA,
> >>
> >> There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
> >> technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by
going
> >> into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
> >>
> >> You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the
only
> >> ones who can hear you in space.
> >>
> >> ~An Admirer~
> >>
> >> PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if
you'd
> >> just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo
admit
> >> thsat they aliens are on Mars.
> >
>
> I take no drugs, you twit.
Well then, what *is* your excuse?
> >
> >
> >
>
no name
>
>"no name" <oo...@doobie.com> wrote in message
>news:o7oruvk0a6quc9vpu...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:43:24 GMT, "John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"no name" <oo...@doobie.com> wrote in message
>> >news:bscruvka9me8k83lh...@4ax.com...
>> >> Dear NASA,
>> >>
>> >> There is only one God -- the God of all -- mother nature. Science and
>> >> technology are your trusted alliance and you've discovered this by
>going
>> >> into space. You could allow peer review of your Mars data.
>> >>
>> >> You've been praying to our little grey pals all along -- they're the
>only
>> >> ones who can hear you in space.
>> >>
>> >> ~An Admirer~
>> >>
>> >> PS: And just think how many sucessful Mars missions you'd have if
>you'd
>> >> just admit the truth to the people who pay your salaries. And alsoo
>admit
>> >> thsat they aliens are on Mars.
>> >
>> ><sigh> The effects of drug abuse can be really sad sometimes....
>>
>> I take no drugs, you twit.
>
>Well then, what *is* your excuse?
I'm a whistle blower. And it's the right thing to do.
I highly recommend it to anyone who gives a damn about their children.
no name
>Well then, what *is* your excuse?
I'm a whistle blower. And it's the right thing to do.
DrPostman
They blew up your brain first, didn't they?
no name
>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:55:40 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:40:18 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>How high can you piss up a rope?
>>
>>Not as high as Mars. And that's where the aliens are going to take their
>>genetically modified humans if Bush blows up the world.
>
>
>They blew up your brain first, didn't they?
No they didn't. The aliens are only doing what the power elite planned to
do for themselves. Except the aliens are taking who *they* want to take, not
the rich and powerful
DrPostman
You don't get out much, do you?
Pietro Sommavilla
..call me Kook or give to me a kook award every day will not change
what I'm think of you...even a little child can understand that
puppets like you anglesea,DrPostman,Sarah..got paid to fucking around
in the net.
judoka_61
Pietro Sommavilla
> > ....PoOoP !!!
> > > Don't mind Pietro, he's reality challenged.
> > >
> > > O'
> > Hey ! I told you already..you (a couple of punk) and your sock-puppets
> > get pay to do this "musical"...it will not work anymore so give up.
> Where's Planet X, Pietro? It's running a bit late, wouldn't you say?
why don't you ask djavinen he still need a slenth to decipher an image...
hey ! I'm kidding that's just a .. tennis ball.
judoka_61
Pietro Sommavilla
> Where's Planet X, Pietro? It's running a bit late, wouldn't you say?
http://www.geocities.com/judoka_61/Belive_13.html
judoka_61
Pietro Sommavilla
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:08:34 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:29:34 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:55:40 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:40:18 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>[...]
> >>>
> >>>>How high can you piss up a rope?
> >>>
> >>>Not as high as Mars. And that's where the aliens are going to take their
> >>>genetically modified humans if Bush blows up the world.
> >>
> >>
> >>They blew up your brain first, didn't they?
> >
> >No they didn't. The aliens are only doing what the power elite planned to
> >do for themselves. Except the aliens are taking who *they* want to take, not
> >the rich and powerful
>
>
> You don't get out much, do you?
Maybe,you can start to talk ..about the "good & evil" aliens issue...
....?....
judoka_61
Pietro Sommavilla
...who's that ? anglesea ? or DrPostman ? ...punk-puppet !
no name
>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:08:34 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:29:34 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:55:40 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:40:18 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>>How high can you piss up a rope?
>>>>
>>>>Not as high as Mars. And that's where the aliens are going to take their
>>>>genetically modified humans if Bush blows up the world.
>>>
>>>
>>>They blew up your brain first, didn't they?
>>
>>No they didn't. The aliens are only doing what the power elite planned to
>>do for themselves. Except the aliens are taking who *they* want to take, not
>>the rich and powerful
>
>
>You don't get out much, do you?
All the time, just got back.
no name
wrote:
[...]
>Maybe,you can start to talk ..about the "good & evil" aliens issue...
It's important to emember 'good' or 'evil' are labels, so we need to define
the meaning of thre labels first. I like to start with the dictionary
definition of the labels, in this case 'good' and 'evil'.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Good as noun:
1 a : something that is good b (1) : something conforming to the moral order
of the universe (2) : praiseworthy character : GOODNESS c : a good element
or portion
2 a : advancement of prosperity or well-being <the good of the community>
<it's for your own good> b : something useful or beneficial <it's no good
trying>
3 a : something that has economic utility or satisfies an economic want b
plural : personal property having intrinsic value but usually excluding
money, securities, and negotiable instruments c plural : CLOTH d plural :
something manufactured or produced for sale : WARES, MERCHANDISE <canned
goods> e plural, British : FREIGHT
4 : good persons -- used with the
5 plural a : the qualities required to achieve an end b : proof of
wrongdoing <didn't have the goods on him -- T. G. Cooke>
- for good also for good and all : FOREVER, PERMANENTLY
- in good with : in a favored position with
- to the good 1 : for the best : BENEFICIAL <efforts to restrict credit were
all to the good -- Time> 2 : in a position of net gain or profit <wound up
$10 to the good>
Evil as a noun:
Date: before 12th century
1 a : the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b : a cosmic evil
force
2 : something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity
djarvinen
Pietro: Laura and Sarah are *not* the same person. You are just gonna
have to trust me on this one.
DJ
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preface email addie with 'd' to defeat anti-spaminator
Roger Wilco
quantium Physics and beyond
I
Quantium bomb
A quantum bomb at such a magnitude that it collapse all dimensions
around us and is a infinite chain reaction every opposing reaction has
an unseen opposite reaction ( refraction )of light. Wave Length -
Gravity -
Light - mass - Wave Lengths.( THEY ARE ALL INTERCHANGEABLE )"
Over the past century, physicists have unlocked the secrets behind
radio and television, nuclear energy and the power of the sun. Now
they're seeking the ultimate prize: a "theory of everything" that
could reveal a bizarre realm of inter dimensional wormholes and time
warps.
SUCH A THEORY would give us the ability to "read the mind of God,"
says Cambridge cosmologist Stephen Hawking. And in Hawking's opinion,
there's a 50-50 chance that someone will discover the Holy Grail of
physics within the next 20 years.
Beginning in the 1920s, a generation of scientists defined the
small scale universe as a collection of fuzzy phantoms. These
subatomic particles couldn't be precisely located in space and time,
but their interaction could be described in statistical terms.The
equations that describe the gravitational field are completely
different from those for electromagnetism and subatomic interactions.
But one bizarre approach is gaining popularity. It turns out that the
equations of quantum theory can mesh perfectly with the theory of
relativity. Now in the 2003 we know the quantum address of all matter
in
our quantum tunnel.
This article is based on material from "Hyper space" and "Visions" by
Michio Kaku. 12-01-03
-------------------------------------------------------
He apparently emailed this to Art bell and Art read it on the air
to Kaku
last night and Kaku said it was stupid. "That doesn't make any
sense," he said; when Art pressed him further, Kaku said "It's in
defiance of the laws of physics."
I was actually quite impressed by Kaku on last night's show. When he
sticks to actual physics and the history of same, he seems quite
intelligent. He had some interesting things to say about nuclear
reactor accidents and how they happened.
Art Bell
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/ 10-15-2003
-------but-------------------but------------------but-------------------------
According to the physicists in the USA and Austria who have come
up with a new, improved
solution to this dastardly challenge of probing without interacting,
the answer is 'yes'. The 'superbomb' conundrum
above was posed in 1993, by physicists A. Elitzur and L. Vaidman, to
illustrate the problem of 'interaction-free'
measurements. It is a restatement of the old quantum-theory chestnut:
the observer and the observed are inextricably
linked. Elitzur and Vaidman proposed that, far from foiling attempts
at interaction-free measurement, quantum theory
makes them possible. Conventional thinking says that, if you want to
inspect the bombs, there's no option but to
bounce at least one photon off them. Yet according to quantum theory,
because light is both wave and particle,
a photon can have a ghostly influence on itself. A beam of light that
is split in two and then recombined by a system
of mirrors will generate interference effects - even if only one
photon passes through the apparatus at a time. Elitzur
and Vaidman showed that, because of this 'self-interference', a primed
superbomb could be detected with a one in two chance
even without the photon actually striking it. This is all very well as
far as it goes - but the option of being blown
up in half of the measurements is none too attractive. Now Paul Kwiat
from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in
New Mexico, and colleagues, have improved the odds from one in two to
almost one in four. As they explain in Physical
Review Letters(1) they have improved on Elitzur and Vaidman's
solution, with the help of another strange quantum-mechanical
effect: the 'quantum Zeno effect'. This trick is named after Zeno, the
Greek philosopher of the fourth century BC renowned
for his relish of paradoxes. His take on the 'measurement problem' has
entered folklore as the adage that 'a watched
pot never boils'. In the quantum world, this can acquire some truth:
in some situations, repeated measurements made
on a quantum system can prevent it from changing its state. This is
the quantum Zeno effect. It operates even if the
interaction between the probe and the system is extremely weak. The
interaction can then be inferred from the
invariance of the system. The effect holds even in the case of
vanishingly small interaction strengths, if the
measurements are made often enough. Now, Kwiat and colleagues report
that, with just six such measurements,
a single photon of laser light could detect a particular quantum
system two times out of three without being
absorbed. By combining Elitzur and Vaidman's beam-splitting
arrangement with an arrangement of polarizing filters to
bring about the quantum Zeno effect, the researchers figured that they
could, in principle, make interaction-free
measurements as reliably as they liked. In practice, the limited
number of repeat measurements in their set-up gave
them a hypothetical probability of interaction-free detection of 85
per cent. Experimentally, the efficiency
was a little less - about 74 per cent, or three out of four - because
of losses in the light signal within the apparatus.
But the researchers claim that increasing the number of sequential
measurements to 100 would increase
the practical efficiency to more than 93 per cent. So there is hope
yet for the quantum detective.
(1) References Kwiat, P. G., White, A. G., Mitchell,
J. R., Nairz, O., Weihs, G., Weinfurter, H. & Zeilinger, A.
High-Efficiency Quantum Interrogation Measurements via
the Quantum Zeno Effect Physical Review Letters 83,
4725 - 4728 1999.| Homepage: http://prl.aps.org/ |
Post a follow-up to this message
Advance Technology
Mark and x advance technology then bring it back in time to the x
give it to the researchers and then go to the future and do the same
thing
Advance technology beyond area 51
Build a quantum lab and mark off area X develop future theory
technology give it a project number and pass it on and on so in the
future we can quantum leap
technology back in time. two lab area x. build a quantum reinstatement
area. fiber optic cable on a super computer..
64 bit processor run like 100 million zeta hz
Data encryption 360 degrees rotation document 90 degrees and
encryption on every angel then change it two binary code and fold it
over like a
piece of paper then having the one's and zero cancel each other out.
if you written a very long letter and then change it two binary code
it would look like this.
01010101010101010101010
10010101010101010101010
01010101001010101010010
00010101000101010101010
10010101010100101010101
would equal = 01
01010101010100001100101
01001010101010101010111
11110111001101010101010
01010101010101010101010
10101010101010101010101
If you took the piece of paper and folded it and folded it and folded
it the 0 and 1 would cancel each out and if you keep folding the piece
of paper too the smallest you would have 4 numbers left if 1+1 =
nothing and 0 + 0 = nothing 1+0=1 and 0+1+0 01 now if the key new the
folding times you could send 2 bytes over the internet and unzip a 100
zetabyte program you computer could store all the programs ever
written but just need the key to unzip then you could us this for SETI
for signals or can you imagine a computer processor that would be 1.8
Hz but run like 100 million zeta hz you could use the new 64 bit
process second side to unzip while the front side processes. or use
this for the matrix or quantum computing or supercomputer. 64 bit. 1+1
= nothing and 0 + 0 = nothing 1+0=1 and 0+1+0 dont forrget to use <
and > signes 0>1+1<0. You could use this transmite a signal to space
that would never be decrypted or encryted to space.
If numbers go on too the end of time then that states there are
infinit
solutions to infinit problems and infinit problems to infint solutions
so maybe one day we will find it in time.
"Infint Ideas"
Parllel universe have diffrent speed of light 128 168 300 299
thats how you find diffrent universe i'm from the planet earth that is
the 7th from the sun stuck on one that the planet is 3rd from the sun
the speed of light is 128 and 32 dimentions and its 8 and 4 for rtd2
so i invented this for a message to get back thaks penatagon!!!!!!!
4
32 |
|
128 |
8----------------|
this is the formula for time travel and how to build a hypergate!!
alt.devilbunnies
alt.fan sailor moon
Just think if you could take any person on this earth in any demention
and find out what they new anytime in space time
is that why they say the are more powerful than 3 black holes.
we are more powerful than 6 ( yes 6 on the top of the page )
OhBrother
The problem Pietro, is the noise level you generate with your steady stream
of supposed questions in which you try to constantly introduce the topic of
alien involvement. Try for one minute to set aside your sci-fi channel
notions and think about it rationally. On one side you have legions of true
believers armed with ''photos'', abduction stories, theories and
predictions. On the other you have people who have spent many years of
their lives obtaining educations and who, by virtue of their committment to
science, attempt to keep an open mind, but who also have ''first
principals'' to guide their thinking.
Up pops a Loon who shouts "There's Aliens!" to which the question comes back
"You're kidding, where are they". The Loon thinks for a moment, and since
his mind is uncluttered by little issues such as credibility of evidence, he
immediately screams ''foul'', (or in your case ''PUNKS!'').
Albeit, I have created a black and white image here, nevertheless the
process is typical. The harder the ''debunker'' presses the ''Loon'' for
actual facts, concrete models of what is happening, the harder the ''Look''
screams "debunkers", "CIA", etc. (this area has been very well pioneered by
our friend Art Wholeflaffer over on AAV, so I'll leave you to do the
citations yourself).
In any case, eventually the Non-Loon questioner gets sick of the evasions
and lies and basically resorts to telling the ''Loon'' that he's full of
excrement. On the other hand, the Loon starts making lists of 'debunker
puppets' and 'useful idiots' to somehow justify his inability to convince
anyone of the 'great mysterious plot' that he is so convinced exists.
So you see, being a Loon merely tags you as a clueless, UFO-religion
iconoclast whose mind is totally reactive and focused on the never-never
land of flying saucers, zooming mystery planets, time warps, prehistoric
mammoths with bellies full of jujubees. The fact that you can cut and paste
clip art into your web page (poorly at that) merely points out that your
pathetic attempts at humor are on par with your ability to differentiate
reality from fantasy and think rationally.
In short, it sucks to be you.
O'
PS: Sock puppets are second and third net-identities created mostly like
Loons. So Pietro, Judoka_61, blaster and your other dozen or so
'identities' seem to point the finger more in your direction than in anyone
elses.
no name
[...]
>"There's Aliens!"
<snip of the rest of this masterfully written propoganda>
There's only one problem you have with this pal:
There's an extraterrestrial craft sitting underground at Groom Lake.
It was left on the runway at Holloman AFB in 1973 by the aliens.
This factoid can be verified by any numerous world political and government
figures, to wit :Henry Kissinger, George Bush Jr. and Sr., so on and so
forth.
Want proof? You talk with the gentlemen above, or go see it for yoursself,
or better yet remote view Groom Lake.
All your yammering and protesting and trying to make people look like
'loons', kooks and other name calling can not dispute the facts above.
And I'm sure Henry Kissinger would resent being called a 'loon'.
no name
[...]
>"There's Aliens!"
<snip of the rest of this masterfully written propaganda>
There's only one problem you have with this pal:
There's an extraterrestrial craft sitting underground at Groom Lake.
It was left on the runway at Holloman AFB in 1973 by the aliens.
This factoid can be verified by any numerous world political and government
figures, to wit :Henry Kissinger, George Bush Jr. and Sr., so on and so
forth.
Want proof? You talk with the gentlemen above, or go see it for yourself,
Wally Anglesea™
Sommavilla) wrote:
Yep, we get paid to fuck you over. Ain't you jealous?
--
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
DrPostman
Sommavilla) wrote:
Where's my gawdamn money?
OhBrother
lying.
Prove me wrong.
O'
DrPostman
Bad troll, go spank yourself!
DrPostman
Sommavilla) wrote:
You got an anal probe at the age of 11, right?
DrPostman
Sommavilla) wrote:
The only evil aliens are those who work without a green card.
DrPostman
Why do they keep institutionalizing you?
OhBrother
alt.fish.that.got.away, they'll truly appreciate them.
Do you really have to make things up to get the attention you desire.
Remote viewing indeed. What proof do you have that remote viewing is
anything more than taking a gedanken journey in your imagination. I'll bet
your great buddies with Ingo Swann and you bend spoons too. Really
pathetic.
O'
no name
fallacies:
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/f/fallacies.htm#Introduction
A fallacy is a kind of error in reasoning. The alphabetical list below
provides explanations and examples of 157 of the most common fallacies.
Fallacies should not be persuasive, but they often are. Sometimes reasoners
produce a fallacy unintentionally, but on other occasions the intent is to
mislead others. The vast majority of the commonly identified fallacies
involve arguments, although some involve explanations, or definitions, or
other products of reasoning. Sometimes the term "fallacy" is used even more
broadly to indicate any false belief or cause of a false belief. The list
below includes some fallacies of this sort, but most of its fallacies
involve errors of reasoning, and among the errors of reasoning, the emphasis
is on errors in arguing informally in natural language.
[...]
> Try for one minute to set aside your sci-fi channel
>notions and think about it rationally.
Logical Fallacy: strawman
>On one side you have legions of true
>believers armed with ''photos'', abduction stories, theories and
>predictions.
Logical fallacy: Loaded language, false dichotomy
>On the other you have people who have spent many years of
>their lives obtaining educations and who, by virtue of their committment to
>science, attempt to keep an open mind, but who also have ''first
>principals'' to guide their thinking.
Logicical fallacies: Ad Verecundiam, false dilemma
>
>Up pops a Loon who shouts
Logical fallacy: Ad hominem
>"There's Aliens!" to which the question comes back
>"You're kidding, where are they". The Loon thinks for a moment, and since
>his mind is uncluttered by little issues such as credibility of evidence, he
>immediately screams ''foul'', (or in your case ''PUNKS!'').
Logical fallacies: Ad hominem, begging the question, false analogy
>
>Albeit, I have created a black and white image here,
Yes you have. 'Black and White' is a logical fallacy of false dilemma
>nevertheless the
>process is typical. The harder the ''debunker'' presses the ''Loon'' for
>actual facts, concrete models of what is happening, the harder the ''Look''
>screams "debunkers", "CIA", etc. (this area has been very well pioneered by
>our friend Art Wholeflaffer over on AAV, so I'll leave you to do the
>citations yourself).
Logical fallacies: Guilt by association, ad hominem, and several others.
<snip rest>
>In short, it sucks to be you.
In short is sucks to have your faulty reasoning abilities.
no name
Aliens don't get jealous.
no name
>On 30 Dec 2003 09:31:44 -0800, judo...@hotmail.com (Pietro
>Sommavilla) wrote:
>
>>"OhBrother" <Nob...@noplace.com> wrote in message news:<qS0Ib.25643$T2....@fe1.columbus.rr.com>...
>>> "Pietro Sommavilla" <judo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fd27f7c5.03122...@posting.google.com...
>>> > "OhBrother" <Nob...@noplace.com> wrote in message
>>> news:<RBTHb.24786$T2.2...@fe1.columbus.rr.com>...
>>> [snip]
>>> > > Don't mind Pietro, he's reality challenged.
>>> > >
>>> > > O'
>>> >
>>> > Hey ! I told you already..you (a couple of punk) and your sock-puppets
>>> > get pay to do this "musical"...it will not work anymore so give up.
>>> >
>>> > judoka_61
>>>
>>> KOoK mEltd0wnN ph@se 2, out come the accusations of paid debunkers. Seems
>>> to be on the same trajectory as the QueenZ herself.
>>>
>>> O'
>>
>>..call me Kook or give to me a kook award every day will not change
>>what I'm think of you...even a little child can understand that
>>puppets like you anglesea,DrPostman,Sarah..got paid to fucking around
>>in the net.
>
>
>Where's my gawdamn money?
In your bank account.
no name
>On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:16:28 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:06:39 GMT, "OhBrother" <Nob...@noplace.com> wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>"There's Aliens!"
>>
>><snip of the rest of this masterfully written propoganda>
>>
>>There's only one problem you have with this pal:
>>
>>There's an extraterrestrial craft sitting underground at Groom Lake.
>>It was left on the runway at Holloman AFB in 1973 by the aliens.
>>This factoid can be verified by any numerous world political and government
>>figures, to wit :Henry Kissinger, George Bush Jr. and Sr., so on and so
>>forth.
>>
>>Want proof? You talk with the gentlemen above, or go see it for yoursself,
>>or better yet remote view Groom Lake.
>>
>>All your yammering and protesting and trying to make people look like
>>'loons', kooks and other name calling can not dispute the facts above.
>>And I'm sure Henry Kissinger would resent being called a 'loon'.
>>
>
>
>Bad troll, go spank yourself!
Not a troll. Except it flushes out you trolls and debunkers every time
ecause it's quite true and you can't refute it so all you can do is commit
the logical fallacy of misdirection or trolling.
no name
>On 30 Dec 2003 12:21:35 -0800, judo...@hotmail.com (Pietro
>Sommavilla) wrote:
>
>>DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message news:<ku13vvcofh45mis24...@4ax.com>...
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:08:34 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:29:34 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:55:40 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:40:18 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>[...]
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>How high can you piss up a rope?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Not as high as Mars. And that's where the aliens are going to take their
>>> >>>genetically modified humans if Bush blows up the world.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>They blew up your brain first, didn't they?
>>> >
>>> >No they didn't. The aliens are only doing what the power elite planned to
>>> >do for themselves. Except the aliens are taking who *they* want to take, not
>>> >the rich and powerful
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't get out much, do you?
>>
>>Maybe,you can start to talk ..about the "good & evil" aliens issue...
>
>
>The only evil aliens are those who work without a green card.
I think it's safe for everyone to kill file you, you're just a troll.
no name
Logical fallacy of changing the subject, clouding the issue, etc ad nauseum.
>
>O'
>
>
OhBrother
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:06:39 GMT, "OhBrother" <Nob...@noplace.com> wrote
> A bunch of not so craftfully written propaganda fraught with logical
> fallacies:
>
> http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/f/fallacies.htm#Introduction
>
> A fallacy is a kind of error in reasoning. The alphabetical list below
>
> >In short, it sucks to be you.
>
> In short is sucks to have your faulty reasoning abilities.
> >
> >O'
> >
> >PS: Sock puppets are second and third net-identities created mostly like
> >Loons. So Pietro, Judoka_61, blaster and your other dozen or so
> >'identities' seem to point the finger more in your direction than in
anyone
> >elses.
> >
> >
>
first to use that post. I'll resist cutting and pasting the equally funny
"how to identify an internet kook" or perhaps the "kook's credo".
You make statements about groom lake, area 51 and remote viewing without
blinking an eye. And then you try to pick apart a description of exactly
what is happening in these threads. I'm afraid you need to deal with the
log in your eye before you criticize others for having specks.
I assume your many veiled attempts to identify yourself as a 'true ufo
insider' is a lead up to a book, website or some other flim-flam effort.
Sadly, AAV is littered with the remains of many such as you who have tried
to 'bring the truth of the UFO brothers' to mankind.
O'
no name
>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:33:10 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:13:13 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:08:34 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:29:34 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:55:40 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:40:18 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How high can you piss up a rope?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not as high as Mars. And that's where the aliens are going to take their
>>>>>>genetically modified humans if Bush blows up the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They blew up your brain first, didn't they?
>>>>
>>>>No they didn't. The aliens are only doing what the power elite planned to
>>>>do for themselves. Except the aliens are taking who *they* want to take, not
>>>>the rich and powerful
>>>
>>>
>>>You don't get out much, do you?
>>
>>All the time, just got back.
>
>
>Why do they keep institutionalizing you?
That would be a lie, and I don't lie.
OhBrother
Ahem, remember 'remote viewing', 'groom lake', 'buried under area 51'? I
think you've merely identified yourself on this one.
> >
> >O'
> >
> >
>
no name
]...]
>Pretty worn out attempt at dismissing the issues raised. You're not the
>first to use that post. I'll resist cutting and pasting the equally funny
>"how to identify an internet kook" or perhaps the "kook's credo".
>
>You make statements about groom lake, area 51 and remote viewing without
>blinking an eye. And then you try to pick apart a description of exactly
>what is happening in these threads. I'm afraid you need to deal with the
>log in your eye before you criticize others for having specks.
>
>I assume your many veiled attempts to identify yourself as a 'true ufo
>insider' is a lead up to a book, website or some other flim-flam effort.
>Sadly, AAV is littered with the remains of many such as you who have tried
>to 'bring the truth of the UFO brothers' to mankind.
None of the above is relevant to the fact that there's an extraterrestrial
saucer at Groom Lake.
>
>O'
>
>
no name
Your assumptions are all your own, and irrelevant to the fact that there's
an extraterrestrial sauce at Groom Lake.
>
>> >
>> >O'
>> >
>> >
>>
>
no name
All of your prejudices and name calling and dispatiry is irrelevant tothe
fact that there's an alien saucer at Groom Lake.
Deal with it.
KittyKat
is that the same 'Henry Kissinger' who's picture was in a Cosmo
Centerfold back in late 60's???
no name
I don't remember that.
http://www.nobel.se/peace/laureates/1973/kissinger-bio.html
Henry Alfred Kissinger was the 56th Secretary of State of the United States
from 1973 to 1977, continuing to hold the position of Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs which he first assumed in 1969 until
1975. After leaving government service, he founded Kissinger Associates, an
international consulting firm, of which he is chairman.
Dr. Kissinger was born in Fuerth, Germany, on May 27, 1923, came to the
United States in 1938, and was naturalised a United States citizen on June
19, 1943. He received the BA Degree Summa Cum Laude at Harvard College in
1950 and the MA and PhD Degrees at Harvard University in 1952 and 1954
respectively.
From 1954 until 1971 he was a member of the Faculty of Harvard University,
both in the Department of Government and at the Center for International
Affairs. He was Associate Director of the Center from 1957 to 1960. He
served as Study Director, Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy, for the
Council of Foreign Relations from 1955 to 1956; Director of the Special
Studies Project for the Rockefeller Brothers Fund from 1956 to 1958;
Director of the Harvard International Seminar from 1951 to 1971, and
Director of the Harvard Defense Studies Program from 1958 to 1971. (He was
on leave of absence from Harvard from January 1969 to January 1971).
Secretary Kissinger has written many books and articles on United States
foreign policy, international affairs, and diplomatic history. Among the
awards he has received are the Guggenheim Fellowship (1965-66), the Woodrow
Wilson Prize for the best book in the fields of government, politics and
international affairs (1958), the American Institute for Public Service
Award (1973), the International Platform Association Theodore Roosevelt
Award (1973), the Veterans of Foreign Wars Dwight D. Eisenhower
Distinguished Service Medal (1973), the Hope Award for International
Understanding (1973), the Presidentia1 Medal of Freedom (1977) and the Medal
of Liberty (1986).
He has served as a consultant to the Department of State (1965-68), United
States Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (1961-68), Rand Corporation
(1961-68), National Security Council (1961-62), Weapons Systems Evaluation
Group of the joint Chiefs of Staff (1959-60), Operations Coordinating Board
(1955), Director of the Psychological Strategy Board (1952), Operations
Research Office (1951), and Chairman of the National Bipartisan Commission
on Central America (1983-84).
From 1943 to 1946 Dr. Kissinger served in the U.S. Army Counter-Intelligence
Corps and from 1946 to 1949 was a captain in the Military Intelligence
Reserve.
He married Ann Fleischer in 1949 and was divorced in 1964. There were two
children, Elizabeth and David. In 1974 he married Nancy Maginnes.
Selected Bibliography
By Kissinger
Diplomacy. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1994. (A historical analysis of
modern diplomacy including a defense of his policies during the Vietnam
war.)
Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy. New York: Harper, 1957.
The White House Years. Boston: Little Brown, 1979. (Memoirs, covering
November 1968-January 1973.)
A World Restored: Metternich, Castlereagh and the Problems of Peace 1812-22.
Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1957. (Kissinger's doctoral dissertation.)
Years of Upheaval. Boston: Little Brown, 1982. (Memoirs, covering January
1973 to the resignation of President Nixon.)
Other Sources
Hersh, Seymour M. The Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House.
New York: Summit Books, 1983. (An indictment, based on extensive research.)
Isaacson, Walter. Kissinger. A Biography. London: Faber and Faber, 1992.
(Critical, but balanced.)
Schulzinger, Robert D. Henry Kissinger: Doctor of Diplomacy. New York:
Columbia Univresity Press, 1989. (Scholarly.)
From Nobel Lectures, Peace 1971-1980, World Scientific Publishing Co.,
Singapore
DrPostman
Q.E.D. motherfucker.
DrPostman
Please do.
DrPostman
>Your assumptions are all your own, and irrelevant to the fact that there's
>an extraterrestrial sauce at Groom Lake.
What flavor?
DrPostman
>Your assumptions are all your own, and irrelevant to the fact that there's
>an extraterrestrial sauce at Groom Lake.
Do they use the sauce with this recipe?
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html
no name
Henry Kissinger Knows There's An Extraterrestrial Saucer At Groom Lake
no name
no name
no name
Lastearthling
>
> >Maybe,you can start to talk ..about the "good & evil" aliens issue...
>
> the meaning of thre labels first. I like to start with the dictionary
> definition of the labels, in this case 'good' and 'evil'.
>
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
>
> Good as noun:
>
> 1 a : something that is good b (1) : something conforming to the moral order
> of the universe (2) : praiseworthy character : GOODNESS c : a good element
> or portion
> 2 a : advancement of prosperity or well-being <the good of the community>
> <it's for your own good> b : something useful or beneficial <it's no good
> trying>
> 3 a : something that has economic utility or satisfies an economic want b
> plural : personal property having intrinsic value but usually excluding
> money, securities, and negotiable instruments c plural : CLOTH d plural :
> something manufactured or produced for sale : WARES, MERCHANDISE <canned
> goods> e plural, British : FREIGHT
> 4 : good persons -- used with the
> 5 plural a : the qualities required to achieve an end b : proof of
> wrongdoing <didn't have the goods on him -- T. G. Cooke>
> - for good also for good and all : FOREVER, PERMANENTLY
> - in good with : in a favored position with
> - to the good 1 : for the best : BENEFICIAL <efforts to restrict credit were
> all to the good -- Time> 2 : in a position of net gain or profit <wound up
> $10 to the good>
>
> Evil as a noun:
>
> Date: before 12th century
> 1 a : the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b : a cosmic evil
> force
> 2 : something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity
My reply:
Considering that there are at least some crop circles that defy
rational explanation, I would say, "good."
I say this because it shows an effort to "peacefully" correspond or
make contact via intellectual communication.
However, what we deem as "good" and "bad" by definitions stated, are
very "now" limiting. I think in all fairness the concepts of "long
term good" and "long term bad" need also to be brought up.
Humanity as we know it may be indeed "progressing" or "evolving" or
rather readying for a new dimension of existance. One that may
involve the incorporation of other beings. This leads me to believe a
"long term bad" for human kind as the dominant life force on this
planet.
John Baker
"DrPostman" <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message
news:ku13vvcofh45mis24...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:08:34 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:29:34 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:55:40 GMT, no name <oo...@doobie.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:40:18 GMT, DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>[...]
> >>>
> >>>>How high can you piss up a rope?
> >>>
> >>>Not as high as Mars. And that's where the aliens are going to take
their
> >>>genetically modified humans if Bush blows up the world.
> >>
> >>
> >>They blew up your brain first, didn't they?
> >
> >No they didn't. The aliens are only doing what the power elite planned
to
> >do for themselves. Except the aliens are taking who *they* want to take,
not
> >the rich and powerful
>
>
> You don't get out much, do you?
Not without his nurse, anyway. <G>
OhBrother
operatives' know about. <snicker>. Does your mother and father know you're
trolling newsgroups with tall tales?
I count a half dozen of the same posts about henry kissinger's bio. Pretty
much Spam/Troll tactics - if noone listens, flood the newsgroups with
irrelevant posts. Name dropping is another one of those naughty troll
practices too.
When do you have your KoOk meltdown rant scheduled? I'm looking forward to
reading about how you're disgusted with mankind after years of trying to
save them from the invisible alien menace, how the government has erased all
record of your brilliant scientific achievements, how you really aren't
yourself but a reincarnation of someone who lived in 1942 and had your soul
transplanted so you could go through the stargate. How alien ships are
hiding behind the moon waiting for the right minute to attack and only you
stand between them and total world domination.
Straighten your tinfoil hat and go to bed.
>
> >
> >O'
> >
> >
>
Sir NewYear Gilligan
wrote:
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>> >
>> >O'
>> >
>> >
>>
>