Carter wins Nobel Peace Prize

[Twist]

Like his politics or not, you have to admire this man and his dedication to
humanity!
There are few "Great" people in this world, I would think Good Ole Jimmy
fits the bill..
Well done, Mr. President...

[Lee Fairbanks]

Yep, he deserved it.

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[PAPADOC]

He was a goofball and time hasnt mellowed his ability to be a
goofball.

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001
www.papadoc.net
Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the
10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in
more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."

[Twist]

Facts are facts. Look at his accomplishments without bias and you have to
admit he fits the bill for a Nobel prize winner. Like the man or not, his
actions speak louder than words.
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[Dusty Rhodes]

He is an Atlanta Braves fan, Fuck him! Nobel prize my ass :^)

Go SF Giants!

Dusty Rhodes

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[Twist]

Remember "Billy Beer"? Wonder what happened to Billy..,..still farming
peanuts I guess!
Man, he rode out his 15 minutes of fame on his brother's shirt tail didn't
he? LOL!!!
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[Michael Wright]

I was a bit young to follow and understand his politics, but I will say in
recent years he has certainly been a very positive influence in many peoples
lives. A reward definitely long overdue for someone who I really think
tries to make a better world.

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[Rudi]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:51:40 GMT, "Michael Wright"
<mike....@stopspam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>A reward definitely long overdue for someone who I really think
>tries to make a better world.

> Like his politics or not, you have to admire this man and his dedication
>to humanity!

I think this choice in itself was nice, but somewhat unimaginative.
Yes, I respect JC's dedication to human values and his idealism; but I
think this nomination was more a political statement against GWB.
(Jimmy C has been a vocal critic of GWB's Iraq policies)

[Lange_666th]

But at least he got a bit more brains then baby Bush.

Baby Bush, the one molecule brain president. Jeez, that you guys could vote
for such a moron i'll never understand.

--
Lange,
666th Black Brigade
http://www.666th.com
ICQ: 15439346

--
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666th Black Brigade
http://www.666th.com
ICQ: 15439346

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[JD]

Thus spake PAPADOC <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> on Fri, 11 Oct 2002
14:10:35 GMT, as he held forth on "Re: Carter wins Nobel Peace
Prize"

>He was a goofball and time hasnt mellowed his ability to be a
>goofball.
>
>PAPA DOC

He may not have been the most effective Prez in US history, but a
goofball?...

Carter is perhaps the most intelligent man who ever held the
office. His problem is that he is unable or unwilling to delegate.

[PAPADOC]

I voted for him. In the end I couldn't wait for him to leave. His
position on the malaise in the US, Oil Price controls, Iran and a host
of other little fun things just made me breath a sigh of relief when
he left.

Also I don't put a lot of stock into who may or may not have been the
most intelligent President, you don't get to be President by being a
dummy, your values may suck but generally you know which way is up.
Also this entire intelligence issue is a smoke screen for some to
critique Presidents when the policies are difficult to attack or they
don't have anything better to offer. What was the quote in Forrest
Gump, smart is as smart does..?

I mean goofball in a relative way...I didn't like what he stood for
and every time he made a decision I ended up wondering why anyone
would come up with that solution. In the end I wondered exactly how
did I come to vote for him.

PAPA DOC

..
>
>Carter is perhaps the most intelligent man who ever held the
>office. His problem is that he is unable or unwilling to delegate.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[PAPADOC]

Exactly how do you come by this wonderful insight...have you talked to
both people...in depth?

I do know that had Carter been President when 9/11 occured NOTHING
would have happened...except the US apologizing to everyone in the
world for being alive.

Bush grasped early on, right off it would seem that we were at war and
the government best get up to speed quickly. Carter would have
apologized to Bin Laden....if your version of smart is Carter then I
will take Bush's version all day long.

The Nobel Committee was making a political statement at the expense of
Bush. Fuck them....the European Left hurries along the path to making
themselves irrelevent.

PAPA DOC

>But at least he got a bit more brains then baby Bush.
>
>Baby Bush, the one molecule brain president. Jeez, that you guys could vote
>for such a moron i'll never understand.
>
>--
>Lange,
>666th Black Brigade
>http://www.666th.com
>ICQ: 15439346

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[nobody special]

"Twist" <hah...@yearight.noway> wrote in message

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> Remember "Billy Beer"? Wonder what happened to Billy..,..still farming
> peanuts I guess!

He died back in the late 80s, so maybe he's pushing up peanuts by now...

[JD]

Thus spake PAPADOC <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> on Fri, 11 Oct 2002

18:57:45 GMT, as he held forth on "Re: Carter wins Nobel Peace
Prize"

>I mean goofball in a relative way...

Yeah, I hear you. My respect for the man comes more from what he
did before becoming president and what he's done since. I just get
an itch every time I hear someone refer to him as a dumb peanut
farmer. That's more a reflection or application of the southern
boy stereotype than any insight into the man himself. He is
extremely intelligent... brilliant even. But as you point out...
that does not always translate into brilliant deeds or decisions.

[Birkemose]

"PAPADOC" spat his spew

>
> Exactly how do you come by this wonderful insight...have you talked to
> both people...in depth?

<snipped some unbelieveable drivel>

Sheesh.... Days were better when you concentrated on flightsims and left
your "Im a nedneck.. let's bomb everybody" attitude at home..

Bimo

[HockeyTownUSA]

How old is that codger anyhow?

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[S. Brown]

78 :)

"HockeyTownUSA" <ma...@comcast.net> wrote in
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[Twist]

Well, I'm not sure if it was a pre-meditated act against George W. but now
that it's done Jimmy will be a bit of thorn in his side...........Hawk's and
Dove's playing in the noon day sun..........Who's day will it be?
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[Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand]

Yea lets all the peoiple in the US just forget that we are at war and
that there are a bunch of towelheadedmurders looking to kill us. Its
just our redneck imagination....

PAPA DOC

[Hawkeye]

I voted for Carter. Thought he had what it takes, but twenty percent
inflation rates and the fiasco in Iran got me to rethinking my
beliefs. Then everyone screaming that the world was gonna end if
Reagan got in, then seeing and hearing all the trumped up garbage
about how the economy was doing terrible, the homeless were in the
millions, and seeing that it was actually the opposite happening after
Reagan got in removed the blinders from my eyes and I began to see the
light, then Slick Willy showed up and the democrats embraced him
wholeheartedly and I left the party for good. I'll say this for
Carter, he's good at growing peanuts and wringing his hands, but
that's about it.
Back to flight sims.

Hawkeye

[Bob "KnightRyder" Nielsen]

then seeing and hearing all the trumped up garbage
> about how the economy was doing terrible, the homeless were in the
> millions, and seeing that it was actually the opposite happening after
> Reagan got in removed the blinders from my eyes

Yeah, Hawkeye, but you gotta remember, most of that garbage was spouted by
the left-wing media in this country....I was much the same as you, until I
started watching Fox News Channel and listening to Rush Limbaugh, and once I
actually thought about what they were saying (as opposed to letting the
media brainwash me and tell me what to think), I realized that there was a
lot of truth in what they were saying!

[Devon Hill]

I hope your not stating this from Canada where we have the most idiotic
moral relativising wimp of a leader in the Free world, Prime Minister
cretin...........the absolute worst leader by far in the Free
World...........a gutless multicultural pussy!!!

Devon Hill
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[Twist]

Towelheaded? Crap, my wife's one of them!!! Every time she gets out of the
shower she wraps a towel around her head. I knew she was doing more in there
than showering. She was converting to Towelism!!!
Sheesh, PD can you get more bigoted I don't think you're speaking it
clearly?
emote...roll-eyes
"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[Lange_666th]

Ever wondered why, PD?

--
Lange,
666th Black Brigade
http://www.666th.com
ICQ: 15439346

"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[PAPADOC]

Bigoted..? Calling the enemies of this country TowelHeadedMurderers is
bigoted...? Exactly what do you call them...Mr. Bin Laden? Mr.
Atta...? Exactly what do you call people who rejoice in killing
civilians..? Exactly what do you call a sect in a religion that revels
in stoning adulterers even when its proven that the women was
raped...? Exactly what do you call a sect of a religion that cannot
decide whether to drop a wall on a Gay person or to throw the wall at
him in the form of stoning?

Really misunderstood arabs..? It was all a big misunderstanding they
didnt really try to kill 20,000 people.

I know its very hard to concieve of a group of people so dedicated to
killing you in such creative ways but then again its hard to believe
that you wouldnt get it yet.

There are plenty of muslims that deserve respect...those arent the
ones we are fighting. Radical islamists are the common enemy.

PAPA DOC

>Towelheaded? Crap, my wife's one of them!!! Every time she gets out of the
>shower she wraps a towel around her head. I knew she was doing more in there
>than showering. She was converting to Towelism!!!
>Sheesh, PD can you get more bigoted I don't think you're speaking it
>clearly?
>emote...roll-eyes

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[PAPADOC]

Yea its all a big game...cause none of this really matters. If we win
the war or lose the war its all a big ass game. Your thoughts dont
matter, my thoughts dont matter, whether we are killed or not killed
it doesnt really matter, cause its all the same...there is no good or
evil in the world its all just the same.

PAPA DOC

PS Only problem with that is when you look up and some towel headed
murderer is flying the jet YOU are on with your family into a building
filled with people....then you might, right before you hit, understand
that occasionally it matters what you do.

>Well, I'm not sure if it was a pre-meditated act against George W. but now
>that it's done Jimmy will be a bit of thorn in his side...........Hawk's and
>Dove's playing in the noon day sun..........Who's day will it be?

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[PAPADOC]

Yea I like the bits where he called the Dictators of N.Korea, China,
Soviet Union just really misunderstood people who cared for Human
Rights as much as we did. Or the bit where he said that all of us were
the same in different ways.....

Yea he was fucking brilliant.

PAPA DOC

>Facts are facts. Look at his accomplishments without bias and you have to
>admit he fits the bill for a Nobel prize winner. Like the man or not, his
>actions speak louder than words.

[Tim Harrison]

*snip redneck rampage*

> Atta...? Exactly what do you call people who rejoice in killing
> civilians..?

err...Yanks?

[Twist]

****shivers**** The South shall rise again, right PD?

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[TRF]

His Habitat for Humanity effort was about the only thing he did that was
worth a shit.

As President he was a total failure, one of our worst. A huge
embarrassment. A poster boy for failed liberal policies.

Wish he would just go away.

Cheers,

TRF

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> Like his politics or not, you have to admire this man and his dedication
to
> humanity!
> There are few "Great" people in this world, I would think Good Ole Jimmy
> fits the bill..
> Well done, Mr. President...
>
>

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[Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand]

So predictable.....

>> Atta...? Exactly what do you call people who rejoice in killing
>> civilians..?
>
>err...Yanks?

Yea we are such the killers...fool.

PAPA DOC

[Alun]

In message
<hVxp9.182765$q41.1...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, Twist
<hah...@yearight.noway> writes

>Like his politics or not, you have to admire this man and his dedication to
>humanity!
>There are few "Great" people in this world, I would think Good Ole Jimmy
>fits the bill..
>Well done, Mr. President...
>
>

My friend and thoroughly nice guy Sir John Sulston just got the Nobel
Prize for Medicine (with a couple of equally brilliant colleagues). I am
chuffed beyond belief that such a wonderful human being has been
recognised in this way. Well done John and all the others whose selfless
work to better mankind has been acknowledged.
--
Alun
I read a report that said the typical symptoms of stress were eating too much,
drinking too much, impulse buying, and driving too fast. Who are they kidding?
That's my idea of a perfect day.

[Hawkeye]

Rush is a little too liberal for my tastes. ;)

Hawkeye

[Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand]

Not really but here let me see if I can guess what our guilt is...

>Ever wondered why, PD?

1. We dont like stoning women who are raped by men.
2. We dont like cutting off the hands of people who steal.
3. We arent very fond of encouraging our children to blow themselves
up in a bar full of people who they dont like because of their
religion.
4. We dont dance in the streets when 3,000 people are murdered.
5. We dont think its a very good idea to burn and destroy everything
not written or made by Mohammed.
6. We dont think that a woman is lower than a slave in rights. (a male
slave can convert to islam and become more free than a woman)
7. We dont think that Slavery is a great idea...(Sudan still practices
it mainly against christians) the rest of the Arab nations may still
be practicing it underground. The House of Saud practiced it till
about 30 years ago.
8. We dont think that freedom of religion is a bad idea.
9. We arent afraid of freedom of speech.
10. We think that everyone should have the right to pursue happiness.
11. We think that a rational justice system is a good idea and
constantly work towards perfection.
12. We think that electing our representatives makes for better
government than having God decide who its gonna be.
13. We dont think that education is a bad thing.
14. We dont think that drinking is a crime punishable by death.
15. We dont disenfranchise 50% of our population.
16. We arent afraid of pregnant women.
17. We dont think that Jews run the world.
18. We dont think that Hitler was onto something special.
19. We dont think we want to have to decide whether its better to drop
a wall onto a gay or to just stone him.

Well the list is long and I dont think I need to cover all of it right
now. But its obvious that we are mortal threat to their dream of a
world that is completely muslim. We woo their young away and we wooo
their women away...we make their men seem incompetent and impotent.
Life is a bitch for a young radical muslim.

PAPA DOC

[Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand]

The south will rise again...?? What the fuck do you know about the
south....and what the hell does the that stupid ass statement have to
do with towelheadedmurdering scum killing innocent civilians and
wanting to kill millions more...?

PAPA DOC

[PAPADOC]

Bada bing...

PAPA DOC

>
>As President he was a total failure, one of our worst. A huge
>embarrassment. A poster boy for failed liberal policies.
>
>Wish he would just go away.
>
>Cheers,
>
>TRF
>
>"Twist" <hah...@yearight.noway> wrote in message
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>> Like his politics or not, you have to admire this man and his dedication
>to
>> humanity!
>> There are few "Great" people in this world, I would think Good Ole Jimmy
>> fits the bill..
>> Well done, Mr. President...
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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[Vern Pellerin]

Ok. Come on Doc, we should just admit it. He's got us. We've been found
out. We Americans are always hijacking planes, blowing ourselves up to kill
innocent civilians, and constantly trying to torture, gas, or nuke everyone
who doesn't listen to Billy Graham.

We Americans want to take over the world, so that we can rob, beat, rape,
pillage, and plunder all over the globe!!! We don't really want peace and
freedom, we want to dominate, control, torture, steal, and destroy. We love
to kill entire families, and then burn their houses to the ground. We're
taught from 3 years old on up, that there's nothing sweeter than the sight
of blood running down our fingers.

[and for certain people in the middle east who might consider using this post
as even MORE justification for your psycho-freak hatred of America, this whole
message is called SARCASM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

[phil]

heh funny, yeah "we" sure do care about human rights....Like that time we
droped a second nuke when the first one would have done...or like the time
we used agent orange in vietnam...or what about that time we gave sadam
chemical weapons to use against iran...what about are continuing support of
Saudi Arabia, when in most cases its laws are just as harsh as the
taliban's. Dont throw stones in a glass house dude.....It makes you look
stupid.

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[Lange_666th]

That's not what i asked PD, now redo your homework on my question.
You're right on what radical islam is all about but it has nothing to do
with why the Al Quada flew a couple of planes into buildings.

--
Lange,
666th Black Brigade
http://www.666th.com
ICQ: 15439346

"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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[Twist]

What I know about the South is taught very openly in Canada. Why are you so
surprised. You did have a civil war didn't you? You are sure looking silly
in this thread PD. To lump all terrorist into one description "towelheads"
is to say that anyone who wears a turban or whatever should be denegrated by
your bigotry!
Calm down and don't let your emotions make you look foolish.
The only hope for mankind is to do away with the very mentality YOU are
showing here. After all it's what "your towelheads do to you". The
terrorists lump all N.Americans into one "towelheaded lump of their own
description"........Don't fight like them, you only sink to their level.

"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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[Birkemose]

"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" wrote...

> 1. We dont like stoning women who are raped by men.

No, You prefer the familymembers using rifles or saturday night specials

> 2. We dont like cutting off the hands of people who steal.

No, You sent them all to jail, or simply let them rot in the gutter

> 3. We arent very fond of encouraging our children to blow themselves
> up in a bar full of people who they dont like because of their
> religion.

No, You teach your children to shoot other children and teachers instead

> 4. We dont dance in the streets when 3,000 people are murdered.

No, you make TV shows, that way you dont need to get your fat ass outside

> 5. We dont think its a very good idea to burn and destroy everything
> not written or made by Mohammed.

No, Simply bomb everything or everybody not agreeing with Mr Bush

> 6. We dont think that a woman is lower than a slave in rights.

No, but blacks are

> 7. We dont think that Slavery is a great idea

No, but thats only because the south lost that damn war.... right ?

> 8. We dont think that freedom of religion is a bad idea.

That obviously excludes Islam

> 9. We arent afraid of freedom of speech.

And that has brought you Ricky Lake..... yikes !!!

> 10. We think that everyone should have the right to pursue happiness.

Even if it takes shooting a man or two....

> 11. We think that a rational justice system is a good idea and
> constantly work towards perfection.

Sure, the "OJ Simpson" case was a great step forward in rational justice

> 12. We think that electing our representatives makes for better
> government than having God decide who its gonna be.

Sure, But should the people place more votes on ex a democrat candidate, you
have a real clever system of making sure the republican is elected anyway

> 13. We dont think that education is a bad thing.

No, As long as the majority of poor black people doesnt get any

> 14. We dont think that drinking is a crime punishable by death.

No, Neither is drinking and driving... right ?

> 15. We dont disenfranchise 50% of our population.

No, You killed them when they still were called "indians"

> 16. We arent afraid of pregnant women.

Erhhh ??? You lost me on that one !!!

> 17. We dont think that Jews run the world.

Who does ?

> 18. We dont think that Hitler was onto something special.

No, Neither does KKK, your NeoNazis or other US extremists

> 19. We dont think we want to have to decide whether its better to drop
> a wall onto a gay or to just stone him.

No, You settled on injections.. right ?

Bimo

[nobody special]

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you're misinformed

[nobody special]

"Birkemose" <A...@mail.dk> wrote in message
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> "Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" wrote...
>
>
> > 1. We dont like stoning women who are raped by men.
>
> No, You prefer the familymembers using rifles or saturday night specials

not true

>
> > 2. We dont like cutting off the hands of people who steal.
>
> No, You sent them all to jail, or simply let them rot in the gutter

Sure, convicted thieves belong in jail. Where else would you want them?

> > 3. We arent very fond of encouraging our children to blow themselves
> > up in a bar full of people who they dont like because of their
> > religion.
>
> No, You teach your children to shoot other children and teachers instead

I wonder how I missed those lessons while growing up. I feel so cheated.

>
> > 4. We dont dance in the streets when 3,000 people are murdered.
>
> No, you make TV shows, that way you dont need to get your fat ass outside

Surely you can do better than that. Or maybe not.

>
> > 5. We dont think its a very good idea to burn and destroy everything
> > not written or made by Mohammed.
>
> No, Simply bomb everything or everybody not agreeing with Mr Bush

Odd... the DNC headquarters was still standing last time I checked. So is
your hovel, I'm guessing.

>
> > 6. We dont think that a woman is lower than a slave in rights.
>
> No, but blacks are

Wrong again- American blacks control more wealth than blacks anywhere else
in the world.

> 7. We dont think that Slavery is a great idea
>
> No, but thats only because the south lost that damn war.... right ?

You betcha... we were willing to fight and die to end that institution. If
it's relevance that you're after, your time would be better spent stomping
out modern slavery in the Sudan and elsewhere, I'd think.

> > 8. We dont think that freedom of religion is a bad idea.
>
> That obviously excludes Islam

Nonsense...there are plenty of mosques around here along with veiled women
in the shopping malls. You really don't know what you're talking about, do
you?

> > 9. We arent afraid of freedom of speech.
>
> And that has brought you Ricky Lake..... yikes !!!

Ok, you finally got one right. bound to happen sooner or later I suppose.

> > 10. We think that everyone should have the right to pursue happiness.
>
> Even if it takes shooting a man or two....

Huh? Do try to make sense, would you?

> > 11. We think that a rational justice system is a good idea and
> > constantly work towards perfection.
>

> Sure, the "OJ Simpson" case was a great step forward in rational justice.

Trial by jury is a good system, but imperfect. Unfortunately "rational
justice" won't be achieved when we apparently had an irrational jury pool.
Or would you have prefer we implement sharia? I sure wouldn't.

> > 12. We think that electing our representatives makes for better
> > government than having God decide who its gonna be.
>
> Sure, But should the people place more votes on ex a democrat candidate,
you
> have a real clever system of making sure the republican is elected anyway

Nope. You don't understand our system at all, do you?

> > 13. We dont think that education is a bad thing.
>
> No, As long as the majority of poor black people doesnt get any

Sure they do. I attended majority black elementary schools in Chicago and
did just fine. Fortunately, I studied and took advantage of the resources
available to me and to those 'poor black people' you referred to. They
could as well, and some do.

> > 14. We dont think that drinking is a crime punishable by death.
>
> No, Neither is drinking and driving... right ?

Drinking and driving is not a capital offense here. Do you have a point?

> > 15. We dont disenfranchise 50% of our population.
>
> No, You killed them when they still were called "indians"

Nice attempt at a subject change, but I am curious- do you also condemn the
slaughter of innocent farmers and settlers by indians?

> > 16. We arent afraid of pregnant women.
>
> Erhhh ??? You lost me on that one !!!

Easily done, I'm sure.

> > 17. We dont think that Jews run the world.
>
> Who does ?

A bunch of radical mohammedans, based on their propaganda.

> > 18. We dont think that Hitler was onto something special.
>

> No, Neither does KKK, your NeoNazis or other US extremists.

There are nuts all over the place, and someone posting from Denmark is
surely aware of the rise of neo-naziism in your own country. Luckily, the
klan in the US is just a bunch of disgruntled trailer park losers whose only
purpose seems to be appearances on the Springer show. Well, that and
serving as a democrat senator I guess.

> > 19. We dont think we want to have to decide whether its better to drop
> > a wall onto a gay or to just stone him.
>
> No, You settled on injections.. right ?

Wrong, or did you seriously believe that homosexuality was a capital offense
in the US? Based on your post, maybe you truly are that misinformed.

[nobody special]

"Twist" <hah...@yearight.noway> wrote in message

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> What I know about the South is taught very openly in Canada.

(snipped)

Do they also teach you how Canada and England were supportive of the South?
Just curious.

[Gus]

Did Carter fly a plane?

"Twist" <hah...@yearight.noway> wrote in message

[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
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> Yea I like the bits where he called the Dictators of N.Korea, China,
> Soviet Union just really misunderstood people who cared for Human
> Rights as much as we did. Or the bit where he said that all of us were
> the same in different ways.....
>
> Yea he was fucking brilliant.

YAWN. It's sad when someone displays so "brilliantly" an utter lack of
ability to think objectively (and I say this while conscious of the fact
that we probably agree on a lot of politics.) A classic fool's maneuver.

[PAPADOC]

Then you dont know shit...as is evidenced by your thoughts.

>What I know about the South is taught very openly in Canada. Why are you so
>surprised.

> You did have a civil war didn't you? You are sure looking silly
>in this thread PD. To lump all terrorist into one description "towelheads"
>is to say that anyone who wears a turban or whatever should be denegrated by
>your bigotry!

No only a fool multiculturist-post modernist nitwit would come up with
that line of thought. Dont worry I know that they teach that as well
in school and it takes a special sort to see though that nonsense.
You know the type that say a murderer and a cop who shoots the
murderer are the same because they both kill. I specifically dont do
that....its why God gave a person judgement.

>Calm down and don't let your emotions make you look foolish.

I will NOT calm down....I take Halsey's attitude to heart....instead
of "Kill Japs Kill Japs Kill more Japs" I say "Kill Terrorists, Kill
Terrorists Kill More Terrorists do your job right and send all the
towelheadedmurderers to hell"

>The only hope for mankind is to do away with the very mentality YOU are
>showing here. After all it's what "your towelheads do to you". The
>terrorists lump all N.Americans into one "towelheaded lump of their own
>description"........Don't fight like them, you only sink to their level.

Fuck that advice...Kill Terrorists. Keep killing them till they decide
being a terrorist just isnt a very rewarding career.

PAPA DOC

[PAPADOC]

It has everything to do with why they flew airplanes into those
buildings...unless your tin foil beenie tells you otherwise.

PAPA DOC

>That's not what i asked PD, now redo your homework on my question.
>You're right on what radical islam is all about but it has nothing to do
>with why the Al Quada flew a couple of planes into buildings.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[PAPADOC]

Save your postmodernist-multiculturist-guilt trips for some air headed
girl you are trying to impress. It just makes you look dumb to anyone
who pays attention.

PAPA DOC

>Bimo

[John Pancoast]

Yep.

John

"TRF" <tr...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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[phil]

Only in an econonmical sence, aka they needed the souths ability to produce
raw material, if they had joined in the war on the souths side, their people
would have thrown them out of office.
"nobody special" <nos...@nospam4me.com> wrote in message
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[Birkemose]

Then _you_ save your redneck dumbass shit for the proper forums.
I didnt bring this crap inhere.. you did !
Punk !!

Bimo

"PAPADOC" wrote...

[Lange_666th]

Mmm, i'm getting a bit sick of you calling me names like fool, tin foil
beenie etc... just because i have another opinion. Shows you are "not"
mature PD!!
Also your answer shows that you don't know what you're talking about and
that US indoctrination did his work on your brain. So here ends our little
discussion i'm affraid.

--
Lange,
666th Black Brigade
http://www.666th.com
ICQ: 15439346

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

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[PAPADOC]

You havent produced an opinion yet all you have produced is lovely
backhanded slurs against my country.

>Mmm, i'm getting a bit sick of you calling me names like fool, tin foil
>beenie etc... just because i have another opinion. Shows you are "not"
>mature PD!!

I keep waiting to hear an opionion on the other side that makes any
sense...sometimes Im almost moved to give you some good debating
points for the no war scenario. There are a couple that dont consist
of assigning guilt where it doesnt lie.

>Also your answer shows that you don't know what you're talking about and
>that US indoctrination did his work on your brain. So here ends our little
>discussion i'm affraid.

Im afraid that I wont be missing much in regards to your reasoning.
Though you are the one who issued the challenge to me regarding what
my country did to deserve to die in the thousands....you figure you
cannot sustain your reasoning under the harsh glare of daylight so you
bow out.

PAPA DOC

[PAPADOC]

No you save your bullshit morality for your own countrymen...and dont
try and apply it to people you cannot understand. You dont know shit
about rednecks, you dont know shit about americans all you know is
that shit they taught you in school that makes you feel so superior
because its so coooool. Oooh Im sooo cool because I know that you
cannot know anything, Im so cool because I know that there is no black
or white, Im so philosophical because I know that murderers and the
cops that shoot them exist on the same morality plane because they
both kill. And you bought all that shit....fool.

And you certainly dont know shit about Carter...who would have sold
your candy ass down the river to look good with the baddest ugliest
sorts of monsters, just to insure his place in history.

And you are the one who came into this thread and commented on my post
so try and keep up.

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[PAPADOC]

Ah a true intellect...school me. What is not objective about my
assesement of Carter....

PAPA DOC

>YAWN. It's sad when someone displays so "brilliantly" an utter lack of
>ability to think objectively (and I say this while conscious of the fact
>that we probably agree on a lot of politics.) A classic fool's maneuver.
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[Lange_666th]

>
> Im afraid that I wont be missing much in regards to your reasoning.
> Though you are the one who issued the challenge to me regarding what
> my country did to deserve to die in the thousands....you figure you
> cannot sustain your reasoning under the harsh glare of daylight so you
> bow out.
>

It was the name calling i didn't like PD, it was not needed since i didn't
even offended you. It seems that you can't even control yourself when some
people reply on your messages. If you would talk to me like that face to
face i would kick yer ass but since you're a bit to far away, you can call
yourself lucky...:-)
BTW, you're not worth it anyway...

[Lange_666th]

> Im so philosophical because I know that murderers and the
> cops that shoot them exist on the same morality plane because they
> both kill. And you bought all that shit....fool.

Again the namecalling PD and not to me this time. So inmature! How old are
you btw? 11? maybe even 12? Don't tell me that you're older then 12. Time to
grow up son...

[JohnnyChemo]

He is a great example of what (Lenin, Marx, Kruschev? I forget who said
it) was meant by the 'useful idiots' of the west.

[phil]

Please excuse the lack of proper grammar in the last post....I posted it
very late at night, when I shouldnt have. I will now correct all mistakes
because if I leave them It will bother me to no end.

heh' Funny, yeah "we" sure do care about human rights....like that time we

droped a second nuke when the first one would have done...or like the time

we used Agent Orange in Vietnam...or what about that time we gave Sadam
chemical weapons to use against Iran...what about our continuing support of

Saudi Arabia, when in most cases its laws are just as harsh as the

Taliban's. Dont throw stones in a glass house dude.....It makes you look
stupid.

Again, sorry about the grammar I feel like a big fat dummy head. :)

"phil" <n...@spam.org> wrote in message
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[nobody special]

"JohnnyChemo" <johnn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> He is a great example of what (Lenin, Marx, Kruschev? I forget who said
> it) was meant by the 'useful idiots' of the west.

you're spot on here (and it was Lenin :-)

[PAPADOC]

You still havent responded with anything other than disparaging
remarks about my country. I knew if I called your reasoning out that
you would fold like a house of cards....

PAPA DOC

>Again the namecalling PD and not to me this time. So inmature! How old are
>you btw? 11? maybe even 12? Don't tell me that you're older then 12. Time to
>grow up son...

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[JeffC]

<...sigh...> Anecdotal, selective evidence to "prove" a point that you
already believe *a priori* anyway - the calling card of the subjectivist.

It's just SO tedious and predictable....

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

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[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

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> Ah a true intellect...school me. What is not objective about my
> assesement of Carter....

It's just so painfully obvious how mindlessly conservative you are. Since
you believe your petty examples prove that Carter was not very bright, I
don't suppose some counterexamples by some of your Republican heroes would
prove the exact opposite and change your mind, now would it?

[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

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>
> Fuck that advice...Kill Terrorists. Keep killing them till they decide
> being a terrorist just isnt a very rewarding career.

Good Lord you are ignorant. Could someone possibly be more wrong about
anything important? I'm *almost* speechless at your knee-jerk responses.

Listen carefully - terrorists are like kamikazes - their task is *supremely*
rewarding to them - *especially* if they die.

[PAPADOC]

hehe...Sheesh I knew that I was in the company of a certified legend
in his own mind.

Those items certainly were not subjective, they are a matter of public
record. As for objective benchmarks of his intelligence there are
plenty....no one contested my brief list so why bother posting all of
his nonsense. He was a bother when he was around and he is not worth
the effort.

If he deserves the Nobel Peace prize then it means nothing. Course
Arafat was also awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...ummm a trend.

PAPA DOC

><...sigh...> Anecdotal, selective evidence to "prove" a point that you
>already believe *a priori* anyway - the calling card of the subjectivist.
>
>It's just SO tedious and predictable....

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[PAPADOC]

Good lord are you pretentious.

>Good Lord you are ignorant. Could someone possibly be more wrong about
>anything important? I'm *almost* speechless at your knee-jerk responses.

It worked for Halsey....

>Listen carefully - terrorists are like kamikazes - their task is *supremely*
>rewarding to them - *especially* if they die.

Good then lets oblige those fuckers....kill them in great big
droves...

The Japanese were far more committed and terribly more brave and they
got tired of dying. This war wont be won by holding hands and singing
cumbaya, it will be won by killing all the most committed of them and
making the rest know that God is certainly not on their side. (they
believe he is)

[Hawkeye]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:49:49 GMT, PAPADOC <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by>
wrote:

I'd help ya out here Doc, but you seem to be holding your own just
fine. Salute!!!!!

[Allan Mayer]

In article <vAbq9.24542$uF6....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "phil"
<n...@spam.org> writes:

>heh funny, yeah "we" sure do care about human rights....Like that time we
>droped a second nuke when the first one would have done...or like the time
>we used agent orange in vietnam..

Ya know ???? I bet you were not even alive, and or in
the govt, or civil service then........ Or in any function that
could have brought about change. But .... many many years
later it's easy to second guess what decisions people before
you have made.

The second bomb, was more of proof that we would use any
and all we had to make them surrender. Remember, they didnt
right away surrender after the first one was dropped !
My parents, and every one of my friends, and others
who were alive, and fought then, all are in agreement, dropping
both bombs was a good idea... It was their war, and their
decision. Not for us to judge, we were not there, having already
lost family members years before the first one was dropped.....

Agent orange, well it did do what it was supposed to do....
VN was a war fought by politicians, and fought badly by them.
Militarly we fought the war very well (we won here) considering
that the politicians forced the military to fight with one hand tied
behind their back (s) Micro management by the politicians was
proved to be a disaster here... As a result, many Americans, and
many many Vietnamiese paid the price.

Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html

"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."

[Sledge]

phil wrote:
>
> Please excuse the lack of proper grammar in the last post....I posted it
> very late at night, when I shouldnt have. I will now correct all mistakes
> because if I leave them It will bother me to no end.
>
> heh' Funny, yeah "we" sure do care about human rights....like that time we
> droped a second nuke when the first one would have done...or like the time
> we used Agent Orange in Vietnam...or what about that time we gave Sadam
> chemical weapons to use against Iran...what about our continuing support of
> Saudi Arabia, when in most cases its laws are just as harsh as the
> Taliban's. Dont throw stones in a glass house dude.....It makes you look
> stupid.
>
> Again, sorry about the grammar I feel like a big fat dummy head. :)

You are. And it aint your grammar that displays this. It's your
inability to master the obvious.

Sledgehammer

[Sledge]

Carter was a very nice guy. Very smart too. But, he was a dismal failure
as President. Additionally, smarts does not equal 'right' or 'correct',
in this world. After all. how many physicists are proponents of white
supremacy (or to go to the super-set, how many educated people support
fascist ideologies, in one form or another).

I don't begrudge Carter his Nobel Prize. He's an old man, who has worked
hard for his chosen causes.

But he aint right, in his ideological view, and he wasn't a good
president.

Those who suggest otherwise are properly viewed as 'revisionist'. Or
simply too young, or unsophisticated.

Sledgehammer

PS. If enough terrorist get dead, without any appreciable movement
toward their goal, the appeal will diminish greatly. Especially so, if
other, positive, incentives arise. Simply put, they'll get sick of
dying, and go on to run limo companies, sub shops, etc.

[Bob Lionel]

Funny, Lange, he's more educated than you are. Unlike you, Mr. Bush actually
KNOWS how to fly a fighter. Sometimes it's better not to suck on Slick
Willy's Johnson so hard, it takes the oxygen away from the vital areas of
the brain......

"Lange_666th" <lange@pandora.-scratch_this-.be> wrote in message
news:3OEp9.156921$8o4....@afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
> But at least he got a bit more brains then baby Bush.
>
> Baby Bush, the one molecule brain president. Jeez, that you guys could
vote
> for such a moron i'll never understand.

>
> --
> Lange,
> 666th Black Brigade
> http://www.666th.com
> ICQ: 15439346
>
>
> --
> Lange,
> 666th Black Brigade
> http://www.666th.com
> ICQ: 15439346
>
>

> "PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

> news:70ndqugrs73r60jd9...@4ax.com...
> > He was a goofball and time hasnt mellowed his ability to be a
> > goofball.
> >
> > PAPA DOC

> >
> > >Like his politics or not, you have to admire this man and his
dedication
> to
> > >humanity!
> > >There are few "Great" people in this world, I would think Good Ole
Jimmy
> > >fits the bill..
> > >Well done, Mr. President...
> > >
> >

[Birkemose]

"PAPADOC" wrote...

> No you save your bullshit morality for your own countrymen...and dont
> try and apply it to people you cannot understand.

Hey... start by taking this shit to the proper forums, or are you afraid to
get your sorry ass kicked ?

You see punk... I actually _do_ keep my "bullshit morality" for my own
countrymen.... you dont see me posting crap about arabs, muslims, jews or
anybody else inhere.
What I do, is commenting on your redneck attitudes, that really has no place
here.

Bimo

[PAPADOC]

Nope that's not what you did...you tried to make a smart comment then
decided you werent up for it. That bullshit morality you have is only
good for impressing air headed bimbos late at night in some smoky bar.
And most of them wont be impressed either.

Your attempt at moral equivalence shows the corruption you suffered in
school. You should ask for your money back.

PAPA DOC

>What I do, is commenting on your redneck attitudes, that really has no place
>here.
>
>Bimo
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[phil]

The mistakes of history should be judged ruthlessly lest we forget and make
the same mistake again....I imagine japan was more worried about cleaning up
the mess from the first explosion and saving any survivors at the time, than
fight a stupid war...will I ever know personaly what happened 100%...no, the
history books are written by the winners and the losers plight is often
ignored in those books....

"Allan Mayer" <azzz...@aol.com> wrote in message
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[PAPADOC]

You didnt hear the man he wasnt talking about history books he was
talking about what the people who were there believed was correct.
The Japanese were be far the most committed, dedicated warriors we
have ever faced....their entire nation was committed. These were
people that had never been invaded, who didnt know failure and loss.
Rather than face the shame of defeat entire populations threw
themselves off of cliffs. We in the west dont understand that type of
commitment...they would have fought.

PAPA DOC

>The mistakes of history should be judged ruthlessly lest we forget and make
>the same mistake again....I imagine japan was more worried about cleaning up
>the mess from the first explosion and saving any survivors at the time, than
>fight a stupid war...will I ever know personaly what happened 100%...no, the
>history books are written by the winners and the losers plight is often
>ignored in those books....
>

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[Vern Pellerin]

>If he deserves the Nobel Peace prize then it means nothing. Course
>Arafat was also awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...ummm a trend.

Ouch.

[Vern Pellerin]

In article <Dvtq9.24569$rC.8...@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "JeffC" <jcon...@nc.rr.take.out.com> wrote:
>
>"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
>news:23ejqug9jqp3eba4h...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Fuck that advice...Kill Terrorists. Keep killing them till they decide
>> being a terrorist just isnt a very rewarding career.
>
>Good Lord you are ignorant. Could someone possibly be more wrong about
>anything important? I'm *almost* speechless at your knee-jerk responses.

I'm almost speechless at your stupidity. If you don't want to kill some
freaks who are hell-bent on killing innocent civilians, what ARE we supposed
to do? Should we send them flowers everytime they kill civilians? Would you
prefer that we just accept their ideas and their domination? Should we all go
back to living in the stone age? Should we completely cover up our women and
then beat them into submission? Should we just give up our right to freedom
of religion, and be forced to pray 5 times a day or face severe punishment if
we don't? Should we completely give up ALL of our rights and freedoms and just
become their slaves? Are you an extremist muslim yourself? Go check out
Afghanistan. See for yourself if it's better or worse now that the Taliban is
gone. Jeeez those people are happy now. There's a ton of rebuilding to do,
but damn those people are glad to be rid of theTaliban freaks that you want us
to succumb to.

[Vern Pellerin]

In article <2upkqugghsrstmat8...@4ax.com>, PAPADOC <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote:
>Good lord are you pretentious.
>
>>Good Lord you are ignorant. Could someone possibly be more wrong about
>>anything important? I'm *almost* speechless at your knee-jerk responses.
>
>It worked for Halsey....
>
>>Listen carefully - terrorists are like kamikazes - their task is *supremely*
>>rewarding to them - *especially* if they die.
>
>Good then lets oblige those fuckers....kill them in great big
>droves...
>
>The Japanese were far more committed and terribly more brave and they
>got tired of dying. This war wont be won by holding hands and singing
>cumbaya, it will be won by killing all the most committed of them and
>making the rest know that God is certainly not on their side. (they
>believe he is)
>
>PAPA DOC

The Japanese did Kamikaze attacks ONLY on MILITARY targets. The extremist
muslim freaks generally prefer civilians, because they can't fight back.
They wrap their faces in thick scarves when TV cameras are running, because
they know that what they stand for is completely shameful. They know that
the rest of the civilized world would gladly hunt down the blood-thirsty
little psycho terrorist beasts, if they didn't hide like cockroaches.

[Vern Pellerin]

In article <rvLq9.42230$Fz.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, "phil" <n...@spam.org> wrote:
>The mistakes of history should be judged ruthlessly lest we forget and make
>the same mistake again....I imagine japan was more worried about cleaning up
>the mess from the first explosion and saving any survivors at the time, than
>fight a stupid war...will I ever know personaly what happened 100%...no, the
>history books are written by the winners and the losers plight is often
>ignored in those books....

All it takes is two simple words, "We surrender". Amazing how fast those two
words came after the second bomb exploded. The U.S. was responsible for the
1st bomb. But the Japanese were solely responsible for the second bomb. It
didn't have to be dropped. And it never would have, had they just made a
phone call and uttered those 2 words a day sooner.

[Allan Mayer]

In article <rvLq9.42230$Fz.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, "phil"

<n...@spam.org> writes:

>I imagine japan was more worried about cleaning up
>the mess from the first explosion and saving any survivors at the time, than
>fight a stupid war.

There is your BIG problem...
You IMAGINE what must have happened !!!!

There is pleanty of written material about what the japanese
govt was doing beofre during and after both bombs were
dropped, please read some before you make such stupid statements
like the one above.... Your imigination is not a statement of clear fact
And your ignorance is glaring when you make such statements !!!!!

History, and reality are there for everyone (inc. you) to see
The Japanese military was NOT ready to surrender AFTER the first
fission weapon was used. At the very end, they were trying to
*kidnap* the emporer, and keep him from making his speech. They were
willing, almost wanting an American invasion, if only in the dreams
of one big massive bloodletting of US troops would somehow make
the US lose intrest in total, and complete victory, and give in.
But their military was not interested in civillians, except in their
casualty figures, in determining how powerfull the weapon was......

If you insist in ruthlessly judging the mistakes of history, please
examine it totally, and espically the times where appeasement
has actually increased the human suffering
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And in this examination, you will also find that all city states/countries
that have been successfull, have ALL had large military forces ready
to be used, and been willing to use them !!!!!!

[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

news:kjpkqus390kvjdht4...@4ax.com...

> hehe...Sheesh I knew that I was in the company of a certified legend
> in his own mind.
>
> Those items certainly were not subjective, they are a matter of public
> record. As for objective benchmarks of his intelligence there are
> plenty....no one contested my brief list so why bother posting all of
> his nonsense.

More non sequiturs.

> If he deserves the Nobel Peace prize then it means nothing.

Where did I say he deserves the Nobel Prize? You're so close minded and so
utterly lack objectivity you can't even keep track of the essence of the
argument.

[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

news:tkdmqu8a03ssrsv2e...@4ax.com...

> Nope that's not what you did...you tried to make a smart comment then
> decided you werent up for it. That bullshit morality you have is only
> good for impressing air headed bimbos late at night in some smoky bar.

And your brand of bullshit is good for impressing..... who?

> And most of them wont be impressed either.

And neither are we.

[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

news:2upkqugghsrstmat8...@4ax.com...

> Good lord are you pretentious.
>
> >Good Lord you are ignorant. Could someone possibly be more wrong about
> >anything important? I'm *almost* speechless at your knee-jerk responses.
>
> It worked for Halsey....
>
> >Listen carefully - terrorists are like kamikazes - their task is
*supremely*
> >rewarding to them - *especially* if they die.
>
> Good then lets oblige those fuckers....kill them in great big
> droves...

I'm all for it.

> The Japanese were far more committed and terribly more brave and they
> got tired of dying.

No they didn't. They got tired of having atomic bombs dropped on their
civilian targets, and realizing that there was nothing to gain from it.
Kamikazes have to
a) be willing
b) accomplish something

See?

> This war wont be won by holding hands and singing
> cumbaya, it will be won by killing all the most committed of them and
> making the rest know that God is certainly not on their side. (they
> believe he is)

You are right about the first part, and hopelessly wrong about the second.
It makes about as much sense as believing the 9/11 attacks will convince
Americans that we're all a bunch of infidels and it might break our will.

[JeffC]

"Vern Pellerin" <vpel...@flarenchaffsan.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> The Japanese did Kamikaze attacks ONLY on MILITARY targets. The extremist
> muslim freaks generally prefer civilians, because they can't fight back.
> They wrap their faces in thick scarves when TV cameras are running,
because
> they know that what they stand for is completely shameful.

God, more hopeless ignorance.

> They know that
> the rest of the civilized world would gladly hunt down the blood-thirsty
> little psycho terrorist beasts, if they didn't hide like cockroaches.

Well DUH! If you had to fight an army 10,000 times your size and might,
what the hell would YOU do?

[JeffC]

"Sledge" <ham...@theidiots.com> wrote in message
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>
> Carter was a very nice guy. Very smart too. But, he was a dismal failure
> as President. Additionally, smarts does not equal 'right' or 'correct',
> in this world. After all. how many physicists are proponents of white
> supremacy (or to go to the super-set, how many educated people support
> fascist ideologies, in one form or another).
>
>
> I don't begrudge Carter his Nobel Prize. He's an old man, who has worked
> hard for his chosen causes.
>
> But he aint right, in his ideological view, and he wasn't a good
> president.
>
> Those who suggest otherwise are properly viewed as 'revisionist'. Or
> simply too young, or unsophisticated.

And you're implying I suggested anything other than PAPADOC has a hopeless
lack of objectivity and balance?

[JeffC]

"Vern Pellerin" <vpel...@flarenchaffsan.rr.com> wrote in message

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> In article <Dvtq9.24569$rC.8...@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "JeffC"
<jcon...@nc.rr.take.out.com> wrote:
> >
> >"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
> >news:23ejqug9jqp3eba4h...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> Fuck that advice...Kill Terrorists. Keep killing them till they decide
> >> being a terrorist just isnt a very rewarding career.
> >
> >Good Lord you are ignorant. Could someone possibly be more wrong about
> >anything important? I'm *almost* speechless at your knee-jerk responses.
>
> I'm almost speechless at your stupidity. If you don't want to kill some
> freaks who are hell-bent on killing innocent civilians, what ARE we
supposed
> to do?

And I am at yours. Where on earth did you get the ignorant idea that I
don't want to kill every last one of them? Did you actually read the words
I wrote?

Some of you guys are unbelievable.

[Vern Pellerin]

For one thing I wouldn't join a group of freaks hell bent on killing
civilians. Then I wouldn't have to worry about hiding. Well DUH!

[Vern Pellerin]

In article <CrXq9.23037$VQ.8...@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "JeffC" <jcon...@nc.rr.take.out.com> wrote:
>
>And I am at yours. Where on earth did you get the ignorant idea that I
>don't want to kill every last one of them? Did you actually read the words
>I wrote?
>
>Some of you guys are unbelievable.

So you DO want to kill every last one of them? But you're slamming PD for
saying we should kill every one of them? You confuse me. Make up your mind,
do you want the enemy dead or not? Should we send Barbara Streisand over to
sing them to death? You never answered the question about what YOU would do
to solve the problem. You're slamming everyone, but not coming up with any
solutions yourself. How would YOU deal with these freaks? What's YOUR
solution to save the world?

[PAPADOC]

At least we know where I stand....which is far more than can be said
of you. You are one of those ever so clever people that stand on the
sidelines shouting discouragement to everyone just for the fun of it
since this is all a game.

Its not a game.

PAPA DOC

>And your brand of bullshit is good for impressing..... who?
>

>And neither are we.

[PAPADOC]

Their will to fight was broken...however it was done it happened. If
its possible to do it with the Japanese its certainly possible to do
it with thise towelheadedmurderers.

>No they didn't. They got tired of having atomic bombs dropped on their
>civilian targets, and realizing that there was nothing to gain from it.
>Kamikazes have to
>a) be willing
>b) accomplish something

But they didnt mind the firebombing of their civilian targets...? What
happened is they knew they were absolutely never gonna get ahead of
the curve again and that it was impossible to win. That broke their
spirit.

>See?

All I see is you acting some college professor who thinks he knows
everything.

>> This war wont be won by holding hands and singing
>> cumbaya, it will be won by killing all the most committed of them and
>> making the rest know that God is certainly not on their side. (they
>> believe he is)
>
>You are right about the first part, and hopelessly wrong about the second.
>It makes about as much sense as believing the 9/11 attacks will convince
>Americans that we're all a bunch of infidels and it might break our will.

War is about terrible damage done to a enemy to try and make them give
up. If you think that we could never give up you are dreaming. Give
the US a couple of nuke attacks and a bio attack and we would withdraw
from the world until they managed to get over here to finally subdue
us. And if you think thats not possible consider that without us there
is basically nothing between them and the world.

Essentially its not only possible to break the will of the most
committed opponent, Japan for example, its what a war of Self Defense
is all about.

The US can have its will broken...any country or people can have thier
will broken. The only differences is how much they can stand before
they break.

The Al Queda and the Radical Islamists murderers will break before we
do....

[phil]

Please give links and/or quotes with links to support your claims from
credible sources....(As in stuff I could use in a graduate level history
thesis)

"Allan Mayer" <azzz...@aol.com> wrote in message

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[Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand]

Do your own research smart boy....

PAPA DOC

[phil]

Burden of proof is left to the prosecution.... not so smart guy......
"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[Very3]

it always amazes me this kinda european mentality where they look on the bright
side of tyrants and terrorists. its this placating mentality we have seen there
thru history. they just dont learn they repeat the same mistakes. and here we
are in a modern age and words like mass graves and ethnic cleansing STILL goes
on over there in fairly recent history. they need to work on their own country.

[PAPADOC]

Not a court of law genius....we dont have to do your research.

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

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> At least we know where I stand....which is far more than can be said
> of you. You are one of those ever so clever people that stand on the
> sidelines shouting discouragement to everyone just for the fun of it
> since this is all a game.

It's quite easy to know exactly where I stand if you'd bothered to read what
I wrote. But you didn't - you just heard the parts you wanted to hear.

Why exactly is this argument a game for me but not you? What makes you
think this is fun? Are you implying that you are somehow "on the playing
field" and I'm on the sidelines? What sort of "discouragement" am I
shouting?

I'm telling you you're a close-minded ignoramus capable of only
one-dimensional thinking, and incapable of thinking with objectivity. You
like to make sweeping generalizations and conclusions based on anecdotal
evidence, you like selective research, and you suffer from knee-jerk,
emotional responses to complicated problems that take a lot more thought.
If you find that discouraging, that's your problem to fix.

Ironic, isn't it, that you share some of the problems that those radical
religious elements that you (and I, BTW) think should be wiped from the face
of the earth?

[JeffC]

"Vern Pellerin" <vpel...@flarenchaffsan.rr.com> wrote in message

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> >
> >> They know that
> >> the rest of the civilized world would gladly hunt down the
blood-thirsty
> >> little psycho terrorist beasts, if they didn't hide like cockroaches.
> >
> >Well DUH! If you had to fight an army 10,000 times your size and might,
> >what the hell would YOU do?
>
> For one thing I wouldn't join a group of freaks hell bent on killing
> civilians. Then I wouldn't have to worry about hiding. Well DUH!

Oh really? So if the shoe were on the other foot, and you had a cause you
believed in, rather than fighting you'd hide like a cockroach? Let's say
these Al Qaeda terrorists actually outnumbered us 10,000 to 1. Now how
would you handle it, big shot?

[JeffC]

"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message

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>
> But they didnt mind the firebombing of their civilian targets...?

Did the English "mind" when they were getting bombed? Did the Germans
"mind" Did the Vietnamese "mind"? Did we "mind" the destruction of the
twin towers?

> What
> happened is they knew they were absolutely never gonna get ahead of
> the curve again and that it was impossible to win. That broke their
> spirit.

You're missing the point. That kind of thing rarely breaks a country's
spirit. That kind of flawed thinking has failed over and over.

> All I see is you acting some college professor who thinks he knows
> everything.

I don't know everything, but I know you couldn't be objective about this
issue no matter how hard you try.

> >You are right about the first part, and hopelessly wrong about the
second.
> >It makes about as much sense as believing the 9/11 attacks will convince
> >Americans that we're all a bunch of infidels and it might break our will.
>
> War is about terrible damage done to a enemy to try and make them give
> up.

Who was damaged more in WW II - Poland or England? Russia or Hungary? And
which of those countries gave up?

> If you think that we could never give up you are dreaming.

Another one of your non sequiturs. Where did this come from?

OK, I'll play your game. If you really believe we should not fight back
against Al Qaeda, you're an idiot!

[JeffC]

"Vern Pellerin" <vpel...@flarenchaffsan.rr.com> wrote in message

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> In article <CrXq9.23037$VQ.8...@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "JeffC"
<jcon...@nc.rr.take.out.com> wrote:
> >
> >And I am at yours. Where on earth did you get the ignorant idea that I
> >don't want to kill every last one of them? Did you actually read the
words
> >I wrote?
> >
> >Some of you guys are unbelievable.
>
> So you DO want to kill every last one of them? But you're slamming PD for
> saying we should kill every one of them? You confuse me.

You're confused because you're not too bright and you don't read. Of course
I've never disagreed with PD about that.

> Make up your mind,
> do you want the enemy dead or not? Should we send Barbara Streisand over
to
> sing them to death? You never answered the question about what YOU would
do
> to solve the problem. You're slamming everyone, but not coming up with
any
> solutions yourself. How would YOU deal with these freaks? What's YOUR
> solution to save the world?

When he said "Good then lets oblige those fuckers....kill them in great big
droves..." and I replied "I'm all for it", just what exactly about that
confused you as to what I think we should do?