OT: Payback for the USS Cole
11Bee
the same as a PC sim?
Regarding the article below, it doesn' t make up for all those sailors who
got killed on the Cole but it's a start. I hope those f---ing bastard who
got zapped today burn in hell!
11Bee
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A missile fired by an unmanned CIA (news - web sites)
drone aircraft hit a car believed to be carrying suspected al Qaeda members
in Yemen Sunday and killed several occupants, a U.S. official said Monday.
The official, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters the American
military was not involved in the attack, which reports from the capital
Sanaa said killed six alleged al Qaeda members. They included Qaed Senyan
al-Harthi, a key suspect in a bombing attack on the U.S. warship Cole in
Aden two years ago, according to Yemen's news agency.
PAPADOC
Was the U.S. right to execute terror suspects without a trial?
I guess no one has alerted them that we are at war...being down in
Atlanta I can see how they might miss it.
PAPA DOC
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001
www.papadoc.net
Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the
10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in
more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."
John Williams
11Bee wrote:
>
> When are they going to do a Predator sim? Actually, isn't flying one about
> the same as a PC sim?
Whoah spooky - I just had the same thought and posted it below!
R. Jones
wrote:
>CNN has a poll asking the stupidest question yet...
>Was the U.S. right to execute terror suspects without a trial?
>
>I guess no one has alerted them that we are at war...being down in
>Atlanta I can see how they might miss it.
>
>PAPA DOC
>
>
You know that word "WAR" Does not have the meaning as it use to.
WW I, WWII, Vietnam WAR, Korea WAR Now them was WARS !!
Now we have war on drugs, war on crime, war on poverty
war on 4 guys wearing rags ON their heads sitting in a car.
War that word is used to easy now days. We are not at war
not for real. We are at PAY BACK !! Which I will add there
is nothing wrong with getting some pay back. But this is not WAR
Ivan Jozic
God, not all this again..
Ivan Jozic
>
> WW I, WWII, Vietnam WAR, Korea WAR Now them was WARS !!
>
> Now we have war on drugs, war on crime, war on poverty
>
> war on 4 guys wearing rags ON their heads sitting in a car.
>
> War that word is used to easy now days. We are not at war
>
> not for real. We are at PAY BACK !! Which I will add there
>
> is nothing wrong with getting some pay back. But this is not WAR
>
Well said.
Birkemose
Papadoc and the other old ladies inhere havent a clue to what youre talking
about
Bimo
"R. Jones" <jone...@juno.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:s2ufsuset1cdmbptk...@4ax.com...
Birkemose
> CNN has a poll asking the stupidest question yet...
> Was the U.S. right to execute terror suspects without a trial?
>
> I guess no one has alerted them that we are at war...being down in
> Atlanta I can see how they might miss it.
Hey Snothead....
The only thing you're at war with is your own gen-pool !!
Paul Grunwald
"When you care enough to send the very best"
and
"Long distance, it's the next best thing to being there"
Sean Long
CNN are practically cheering for the bad guys. Fucking liberal spin-freaks.
Sean Long
eagl
"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
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John Williams
Sean Long wrote:
>
> How can you have an "execution" if nobody was in custody?
Oh the irony...
Sean Long
It is certainly not a "conventional" war, but we DO have an enemy who has a
large organization with the declared intent of destroying America. They
have demonstrated not only the willingness to kill arbitrary US and
worldwide citizens, but also the ability to cause mass casualties.
Are you saying that a forceful response involving both reactionary and
preemptive strikes against the forces and equipment of an enemy organization
is something other than "war"?
We're not dealing with a few random criminals, or even a loose association
of criminals intent on criminal activity. The U.S. faces a very large
non--governmental organization supported by both governmental and other
non-governmental organizations who intends to destroy our entire nation.
Sounds like war to me. Shooting four of the enemy in a vehicle is no
different than us sending out P-38's to intercept an enemy general officer
in a transport/bomber formation. If they're the enemy, we kill them and
break their stuff wherever and whenever we find them, and it doesn't matter
if their equipment is a tank or a bicycle.
If we find Bin Laden boinking the ladies in a whorehouse or riding a goat
down the street, we blow his shit up too, because he is an enemy combatant,
not merely a common criminal. That's the difference, and that's why it's a
war.
And that's why it wasn't an "execution", regardless of how the liberal
fuckups at CNN try to twist it.
Sean Long
eagl
"R. Jones" <jone...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Richard
I guess any weapon confers god-like powers, but there is something
different and to me quite frightening about these Predator hits - the
technological power that allows pinpoint control against a moving
target, combined with some blend of diplomacy, espionage, betrayal,
bribery or coercion that allows someone to make the decision with
absolute certaintly that yes, that is the person we are are after.
The technical aspect is one thing - the organization that put the red
dot on his forehead is quite another.
Birkemose
> What would YOU call it?
I think pretty much anybody else in this world calls it TERRORISM !!!
Europa have had its share, and have delt with it in most cases.... I dont
think this have ever included bombing other countries !!
Pretty much everybody on this side of the pond knows, that US calls it war,
and not terrorism, because Mr Bush needs to get attantion away from domestic
problems.
Bimo
Birkemose
> I guess any weapon confers god-like powers, but there is something
> different and to me quite frightening about these Predator hits - the
> technological power that allows pinpoint control against a moving
> target, combined with some blend of diplomacy, espionage, betrayal,
> bribery or coercion that allows someone to make the decision with
> absolute certaintly that yes, that is the person we are are after.
> The technical aspect is one thing - the organization that put the red
> dot on his forehead is quite another.
Even if I basicly understand your concerns, I dont think it is any different
thatn pointing a simple rocket launcher and pressing fire... just more
high-tech !
The bottom line is still... if ex USA does such a thing, why cant ex Libya
do the excact same thing against a US target ?
Bimo
Allan Mayer
<A...@mail.dk> writes:
>The bottom line is still... if ex USA does such a thing, why cant ex Libya
>do the excact same thing against a US target ?
Let them try, please by all means.
Then they too can feel some more iron rain......................
Dont like how the US does things ??? too bad.
Get over it already, there is nothing you can do about it !
Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html
"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
11Bee
"Birkemose" <A...@mail.dk> wrote in message
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>>
> The bottom line is still... if ex USA does such a thing, why cant ex Libya
> do the excact same thing against a US target ?
>
> Bimo
My poor misguided European friend...
Let me explain this. Libya CAN do the same thing to a US target. There
isn't much the US or anyone else can do to stop a determined person from
taking out a chosen target. However, they will then face the consequences.
This minor fact keeps them (so far at least) from following through with the
act.
Please go back to entertaining us with your X-Files theory that George is
just blowing away these poor Arabs to keep all of us ignorant Americans from
focusing on our terrible economic situation (Hey - I just bought a house and
got a hefty raise at work. Man, the economy is just killing me).
11Bee
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
highest building. I would ask you to shoot yourself but all of you
have allowed the governments to disarm you.
>The bottom line is still... if ex USA does such a thing, why cant ex Libya
>do the excact same thing against a US target ?
>
>Bimo
You dumb fuck they do much worse....like I have said before they
started it and we will finish it...like Bush said. They started this
but we will finish it at a time and in a fashion which we choose.
PAPA DOC
Chuck C.
news:3dc847b5$0$241$edfa...@dread11.news.tele.dk:
Hmmmmmm, listen to Sean or another dumbass European. Easy choice.
Chuck
--
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Benjamin Franklin
BeeFlow
capability to continue trading damaging blows.
Normally the damage from the first strike occurs in the imagination of some
individual who blames another for his misfortune--whether true or not.
After that, support-rallying, strike events and damages multiply until one
or the other (group, by now) is unable to continue.
For some reason, Lybia has elected not to continue, at this time.
Shortly, the game will have the same effect on other players, who will sink
back into some of the oldest and most ignoble dust on the planet.
"Birkemose" <A...@mail.dk> wrote in message
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>
PAPADOC
>What would YOU call it?
I would call it a good shot...
Hey Abib did you hear that...?? No Salami I didnt here nothing what
did you hear...????
BOOOOOOOM
Camera pans to a grease spot.
Notice that when the Israelis fire a hellfire at a car the car is in
flames...but when the US fires a Hellfire at a car all thats left is a
big grease spot. Hummmm are we selling them the good stuff or keeping
it for ourselves.
Sean you still flying F-15E's or are you retired to just typing
letters and grading students...?
Keep safe and give them hell.
PAPA DOC
Vern Pellerin
Oh God, another America hating dipshit post. I used to think that Bush was a
dumb-ass, but after hearing elitist euro-trash terrorist appeasers, Bush is
starting to look like a certified genius.
Don't worry, when terrorism eventually hits their snobby neighborhood, they'll
come begging America to save their pathetic whiney asses:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20021030.shtml
PAPADOC
that I get easy shots like you. You really are fixated on
pricks...gotta make sure that I dont drop any soap around you.
>"PAPASMUCK" couldnt get it up, and got back to uselessnet to vomit:
>Hey Snothead....
>The only thing you're at war with is your own gen-pool !!
Guess what its gonna get a whole lot worser before it gets better for
those towelheadedmurderers....lots.
Here is what Halsey has to say on the matter of killing.
"KILL JAPS KILL JAPS KILL JAPS
Do your job well so we can kill more japs."
Thats exactly the spirit we are approaching this killing of
terrorirsts and islamictowelheadedmurderes.
PAPA DOC
Ivan Jozic
interpretations.. I mean, yes, you can understand it as such because a lots
of Muslim fundamentalist want to make US suffer.. But, except for 9.11.,
other attacks did not take place on US soil and you can't say that the
population of US is under constant threat and feels the effects of this
(apart from more power to the government agencies, some economic problems
due to the atack and such)..
I mean, when I was in war as a kid, there were grenades falling all over the
place and I was in constant fear whether I, my parents, etc. will even
survive.. It is not easy to know that your parents are going to work every
day inspite of grenades and you wonder will they survive and start preparing
yourself for the fact that they might be dead.. Pretty bad stuff when you're
a kid..
"Chuck C." <nony...@all.com> wrote in message
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Chuck C.
news:aqarfd$9u4$1...@bagan.srce.hr:
> I think the problem is that the meaning of war has different
> interpretations.. I mean, yes, you can understand it as such because a
> lots of Muslim fundamentalist want to make US suffer.. But, except for
> 9.11., other attacks did not take place on US soil and you can't say
> that the population of US is under constant threat and feels the
> effects of this (apart from more power to the government agencies,
> some economic problems due to the atack and such)..
>
> I mean, when I was in war as a kid, there were grenades falling all
> over the place and I was in constant fear whether I, my parents, etc.
> will even survive.. It is not easy to know that your parents are going
> to work every day inspite of grenades and you wonder will they survive
> and start preparing yourself for the fact that they might be dead..
> Pretty bad stuff when you're a kid..
>
>
snip
Thanks for the post Ivan, interesting and valid perspective.
Sean Long
> Sean you still flying F-15E's or are you retired to just typing
> letters and grading students...?
T-37 instructor still, but I'm now my commander's executive officer and I
also instruct in the Pilot Instructor Training course as well.
Sean Long
eagl
PAPADOC
Towel Headed Murderers, Cole, Anthrax, Attempted Bombing of LAX....and
on and on I think that characterizing WTC 9/11 as the only attack is
untrue. As well while your situation was undoubtedly dire being under
the threat of attack by Bio, Chem or Nuke attack in the states does
NOT mean we are all just sitting around whistling dixie.
PAPA DOC
>I think the problem is that the meaning of war has different
>interpretations.. I mean, yes, you can understand it as such because a lots
>of Muslim fundamentalist want to make US suffer.. But, except for 9.11.,
>other attacks did not take place on US soil and you can't say that the
>population of US is under constant threat and feels the effects of this
>(apart from more power to the government agencies, some economic problems
>due to the atack and such)..
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Dr Oddness Killtroll
bp wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:08:21 GMT, "11Bee"
> <no-spam...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > (Hey - I just bought a house and
> >got a hefty raise at work. Man, the economy is just killing me).
> >
> >11Bee
> HeHe
> You bought a house because the feds have had to lower the primes ,,how
> many times now?
Housing starts are at an alltime high. Prime rates havent been lowered in
quite a while. They're not the
> You got a rise because you are now doing the work of three laded off
> workers and probably doing it with less benefits.
Is he?
Do you know?
Or are you talking out of yer ass?
As usual?
> Just because a bad economy hasn't effected you yet doesn't mean you
> shouldn't give a shit about it.
Just becasue we dont have a bad economy, there is no reason for you to
refrain from hallucinating...
DrOk
PS The message 11Bravo intended was clear. We dont have a bad economy. Our
rate of growth has slowed. Yours, apparently, has been stagnant, prolly
since birth...
Christer Johansen
"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8f0hsugbjbncganha...@4ax.com...
Yeehaw and amen!
</sarcasm off>
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Christer Johansen wrote:
> Yeehaw and amen!
>
> </sarcasm off>
Its refreshing to see that the 'cowboy' notion is assumed, lockstep, in el
europa. Wouldnt want to be surprised/disappointed by some educated, forward
thinking, coming from the continent.
Lets face it, bellicosity, and an unwillingness to aquaint oneself with the
facts is considered a positive character trait in Europe.
DrOk
PAPADOC
>>Dont like how the US does things ??? too bad.
>>Get over it already, there is nothing you can do about it !
>
He is a moderate..
PAPA DOC
PAPADOC
Let me paraphrase Halsey who captures the spirit pefectly.
"Kill Terrorists Kill Terrorists Kill Terrorists
Do your job well so we can kill even more terrorists."
Stack those fuckers to the heavens...then pour bacon fat on them and
light them up..
PAPA DOC
>
>Yeehaw and amen!
>
></sarcasm off>
>
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Ivan Jozic
> the threat of attack by Bio, Chem or Nuke attack in the states does
> NOT mean we are all just sitting around whistling dixie.
>
> PAPA DOC
Yes, you have a point of course.. It's hard when smth like that is hanging
in the air waiting to happen.. Pretty bad stuff, though you have to admit
it's not so definitive. I sure hope smth like it never happens, but after
9/11 you just can't be sure what might happen next.. Man, that bio stuff is
dreadfull.. Why inventing such a thing when it's only use is an utter
destruction of the human race?
Mind you, they were also throwing some big chunks of smth resembling spider
web (it was some means of agent transportation) here which caused a lot of
panic, but fortunatelly the tests were negative.. It was scary, though.
Seing the pics of skin agents in "action" (or the nerve ones; don't know
which are worse) and thinking it might happen to all of us some day is
pretty worrying stuff. And that Russia leaking nukes now and then.. :(
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
that works with FEMA on evacuation plans and other fun bio, chem stuff
makes this much closer to home. Join that to my natural compulsion to
wrap my head around anything that might threaten my family makes for a
really fun time...not.
Worried me alot at first then I learned from the people like you and
the Brits and others that just because someone is trying to kill you
doesnt mean your life stops. The biggest problem is insulating the
children enough to not scare them to death while making sure they are
sensible.
Chuck C.
news:ianisu84gnrb3he48...@4ax.com:
> On 06 Nov 2002 01:04:43 GMT, azzz...@aol.com (Allan Mayer) wrote:
>
>>In article <3dc84905$0$226$edfa...@dread11.news.tele.dk>, "Birkemose"
>><A...@mail.dk> writes:
>>
>>>The bottom line is still... if ex USA does such a thing, why cant ex
>>>Libya do the excact same thing against a US target ?
>>
>>
>>Let them try, please by all means.
>>
>>Then they too can feel some more iron rain......................
>>
>>
>>Dont like how the US does things ??? too bad.
>>Get over it already, there is nothing you can do about it !
>
> Prime example of the problem right there.
>
With our recent elections, Europe's opinion just declined even more over
here.
Life just got harder for America haters.
Allan Mayer
writes:
>Prime example of the problem right there.
Not a problem for me.
You maybe, but definately not me.
And now with both houses of congress in the right hands,
more will get done :-)
Allan Mayer
writes:
>*PLONK*
>and I suggest everyone do likewise. It really cuts down on the "blow
>hard" post.
Your the one who needs plonking, you liberal appeasing, piece
of liberal crap.........
But keep at it, the more the USA does, the more I know you will be
pissed !!! And the better I will feel, and sleep at night...
And with both houses of congress in the right hands (!!!) it will be
even easier !!! Oh, I'm sure you like that too :)
Dr Oddness Killtroll
bp wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:57:08 -0500, Dr Oddness Killtroll
> <spasm...@rex.annex> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >bp wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:08:21 GMT, "11Bee"
> >> <no-spam...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > (Hey - I just bought a house and
> >> >got a hefty raise at work. Man, the economy is just killing me).
> >> >
> >> >11Bee
> >> HeHe
> >> You bought a house because the feds have had to lower the primes ,,how
> >> many times now?
> >
> >Housing starts are at an alltime high. Prime rates havent been lowered in
> >quite a while. They're not the
>
> Say again ? ;)
Housing
Starts
Are
At
An
All
Ttime
High.
Clearer now?
The Prime was lowered yesterday, for the first time in 9 months.
>
> >> You got a rise because you are now doing the work of three laded off
> >> workers and probably doing it with less benefits.
> >
> >Is he?
> >
> >Do you know?
> >
> >Or are you talking out of yer ass?
> >
> >As usual?
> >
> >> Just because a bad economy hasn't effected you yet doesn't mean you
> >> shouldn't give a shit about it.
> >
> >Just becasue we dont have a bad economy, there is no reason for you to
> >refrain from hallucinating...
> >
> Well than LET THE BOMBS FLY !!!
Gte back on your medicatoin.
Or stop playing hooky.
Childer.
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Allan Mayer wrote:
> In article <hknisu4iepm11uqnr...@4ax.com>, bp <6b...@comcast.net>
> writes:
>
> >*PLONK*
> >and I suggest everyone do likewise. It really cuts down on the "blow
> >hard" post.
>
> Your the one who needs plonking, you liberal appeasing, piece
> of liberal crap.........
You know what, Alan.
Its even worse than that.
They actually dont SEE the threat.
They dont beleive it exists!
Germany has the 3rd largest economy in the world.
And these idiots think themselves invulnerable.
And, additionally, envy us so much, they'll delude themeselves repeatedly...
Sorta makes you wonder why we fought WWII at all.
Except for the Brits...
Well, some of them, anyway...
DrOk
Bimo
> You are a treasure...Promise you wont go away....I mean it isnt often
> that I get easy shots like you. You really are fixated on
> pricks...gotta make sure that I dont drop any soap around you.
Ladies.. ladies...
Had I known you were this homofobic, I would ofcause have gone easier on
you...
I bet your bridge-club will be pretty upset if you get a heart-attack...
right ?
Wonder if Im a _real_ homo... hmm.... your wet dream will tell you :)
BTW... I feel I know you so much better now PapaSmuck... is it OK if I just
call you Smuck ?
Kisses
Bimo
Bimo
> You know what, Alan.
<snipped his drivel>
Who told you to surface, boy ?
Bimo
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Bimo wrote:
Hey, its another one o' the misguided from euro-centro!
I'm always here, whether you like it or not, aryan-el perfecto.
You'll get yours. In due time, you little libro-nazi. And come back for
more. You always do.
Now, goose step on to your next 'anti-globalization' riot. Go beat a
mercedes dealer, or sumpin'
I'm busy killing trees and drinking oil...
DrOk
PS Keep tellin' yerself its 'all the USA's fault. It'll make the
destruction of the Brandenbug Gate, or Tivoli, or Eiffel (sp?) Tower all
the more shocking, when Islamacists get around to it..
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Bimo wrote:
Hey larsy!
Thats the best you can do?
Shameful.
Held any late night candle burnings recently?
Pining for the old days, when teutons were boss?
Clik yer heels, and carry on, adolph...
DrOk
PAPADOC
saving yourself for the fight later on..?
Homophobic...??? Moi..??? Not hardly....growing up in New Orleans in
the French Quarter one would have to be truly demented to be
homophobic. Nah I just hate to see the little ones like you struggling
all alone in your closet. Come on out Im sure that there are a bunch
of people who would love to meet you.
And you can call me whatever your diddle heart chooses...Im amused at
your struggles to be insulting. More wood for the fire....throw it on.
PAPA DOC
>
>Kisses
>Bimo
Bimo
Tell you what !
Dr Snot...
You seem to be fixated on nazis. Take a piece of advice.
Go read some books on what the nazis did... that should cure your desire to
bomb people.
Smuck....
You at least upped yourself and stopped cursing... thats a plus
Sleep tight ladies..
Bimo out
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Shut up, you nazi...
DrOk
Scharmers
> In article <3dc84905$0$226$edfa...@dread11.news.tele.dk>, "Birkemose"
> <A...@mail.dk> writes:
>
> >The bottom line is still... if ex USA does such a thing, why cant ex Libya
> >do the excact same thing against a US target ?
>
>
> Let them try, please by all means.
>
> Then they too can feel some more iron rain......................
>
>
> Dont like how the US does things ??? too bad.
> Get over it already, there is nothing you can do about it !
Keep saying that, smackhead, until some group of fucks parks a North
Korean nuclear device next to the White House.
Of course, with the now-current occupants, the results might be an
improvement. It would certainly raise the mean intelligence level of
Washington D.C.'s citizens to something appoaching crack whores and
Marion Barry.
--scharmers
PAPADOC
you so consistent.?
>Keep saying that, smackhead, until some group of fucks parks a North
>Korean nuclear device next to the White House.
Ah I see we didnt defend ourselves for 20 years and we got 2 attempts
to knock down the WTC one of which was successful, an attack on the
Pentagon, an attempted attack on the Capitol, an attempted attack on
LAX, another attempted attack on 11 Airliners, bombings, shootings and
in general mayhem...but its gonna get worse now that we are defending
ourselves. I say if thats true we arent killing them quick
enough...speed it up.
>Of course, with the now-current occupants, the results might be an
>improvement. It would certainly raise the mean intelligence level of
>Washington D.C.'s citizens to something appoaching crack whores and
>Marion Barry.
A Marion Barry that lovely person who btw is a Demoncrat and such a
poster child he is. You know Scharmers I would be embarrassed to admit
that a person who has administered such a thorough asswhipping to me
was an idiot. I would want to make him out as some kind of god so at
least I would have an excuse. But nooooo Demoncrats just love losing
to people they think are idiots.
Lets see if thats true then what does that make demoncrats...?
PAPA DOC
>--scharmers
Dr Oddness Killtroll
bp wrote:
> No I wasn't asking about Housing Starts.
>
Ya, you were. Read the thread, you moron. Housing SALES are at an all time high, and housing
prices are nearly so too. Its a good thing, you jackanape.
> >
> >The Prime was lowered yesterday, for the first time in 9 months.
> >
> So you still claim the economy is fine ?
> Silly Feds look what they said:
Some feds are silly. So are you.
> >"June 27 — The Federal Reserve cut short-term interest rates by a quarter-point Wednesday,
> >easing up on the accelerator while giving no indication it sees signs of an imminent
> >rebound in the sluggish economy. "
Big deal. Sluggish in RATE of GROWTH.
Is a growing economy a healthy economy?
I know what it means. You dont. Are you honestly going to compete with ME regarding the state of
the US economy, you complete ignoramous?
Mwahahahahaha.
Bring it on, silly shilder...
>
> CHRIST !!! Don't they know the economy is fine ?!?!?!?
> <sarcasm off>
>
> Oh and this little tidbit
>
> " IT WAS THE SIXTH rate cut of the year,"
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
BFD.
> Maybe you should get off yours. It seem to be effecting your vision.
> It's almost like you have blinders on.
Heh.
I see the threat. I understand this world.
You dont.
Now, shut the fuck up, and go away, or I'll make you a project.
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
bp wrote:
> On 07 Nov 2002 13:39:53 GMT, azzz...@aol.com (Allan Mayer) wrote:
>
> >In article <hknisu4iepm11uqnr...@4ax.com>, bp <6b...@comcast.net>
> >writes:
> >
> >>*PLONK*
> >>and I suggest everyone do likewise. It really cuts down on the "blow
> >>hard" post.
> >
> >
> >Your the one who needs plonking, you liberal appeasing, piece
> >of liberal crap.........
> >
> >But keep at it, the more the USA does, the more I know you will be
> >pissed !!! And the better I will feel, and sleep at night...
> >
> >And with both houses of congress in the right hands (!!!) it will be
> >even easier !!! Oh, I'm sure you like that too :)
> >
> I don't even know what the hell your talking about. ;)
Thats been apparent for a long time...
Heh...
DrOk
<trolltrollertroll>
No.T...@here.com
<an...@annex.annex> wrote:
snipped a bit...
}Now, shut the fuck up, and go away, or I'll make you a project.
(...ominous music plays in the background...)
Avatar
Dr Oddness Killtroll
No.T...@Here.com wrote:
Hey Av!
;)
<ggg>
DrOk
Scharmers
> Lets see if thats true then what does that make demoncrats...?
People with less oil money to buy their way into elections.
Oh well, with Republicans in control of the White House I'm sure
things will swing back around in a few years. Most people do get
tired of seeing the rich get richer even when their attention is
diverted by the bread-and-circus methods of bogus "tax cuts" and
violent foreign expenditures.
Then again, if you're the proof, then we Americans are getting
stupider and more violent and pretty much deserve to ruled over by a
bunch of plutocrats.
BTW Your good bud Georgie Porgie decided to bow the U.S. out of the
international population control agreement, instead deciding that
preaching "teenage abstinence" to a bunch of 3rd-world wogs was the
answer to keeping global population down instead of proactive methods
like birth control education. So in your wise words "I say if thats
true we arent killing them quick enough...speed it up" well, I say
that we're going to have to accelerate that particular process because
there's going to be a lot more of "them". More forward, 21st-Century
Republican thinking.
--scharmers
--wars for water, not oil
Dusty Rhodes
>
> Oh well, with Republicans in control of the White House I'm sure
> things will swing back around in a few years. Most people do get
Lets see, recent study done of Congress showed that 5 out of the ten richest
Senators or Congressman, or both (can't remember exactly which it
encompasseded) ARE DEMOCRATS. Sounds like they are living as fat as the
Republicans. Plus they have Hollywood on their side and we all know how
much money is there. That is a tired ass, no leg havin', untrue argument!
Get something new, it backfired here, and it backfired during the election!
> BTW Your good bud Georgie Porgie decided to bow the U.S. out of the
> international population control agreement, instead deciding that
> preaching "teenage abstinence" to a bunch of 3rd-world wogs was the
> answer to keeping global population down instead of proactive methods
> like birth control education.
Yeah those methods were working really well weren't they? If they were,
then why was there a need for such an agreement? Teach methods that aren't
100%. Abstinence is a sure fire, 100%, never failed method of birth
control. Course then again Hollywood could cut the sexuality out of
Advertising, Movies, Music Video's and other media outlets that are directed
at young teens. Oh wait Hollywood is predominantly Democrat. They are
rich, do it for the money, yet Dubya is to blame?
> --scharmers
> --wars for water, not oil
With as dry as it has been in some places, War for Water might not be too
far off. Where is Kevin Costner?
Dusty Rhodes
PAPADOC
you move into the big leagues.
>People with less oil money to buy their way into elections.
Oh poor diddle demoncrats didnt have the brains to beat a bunch of
people they call idiots.
>Oh well, with Republicans in control of the White House I'm sure
>things will swing back around in a few years.
Yea the demoncrats are moving to the left as we speak, that will make
for the Republicans being a majority for a long long time. Demoncrats
have nothing worth fighting for except stealing from the rich. Only
problem with that tactic is most people in the US are considered rich
by their standards.
>Then again, if you're the proof, then we Americans are getting
>stupider and more violent and pretty much deserve to ruled over by a
>bunch of plutocrats.
Cant get away from calling a bunch of people who administered a
historic asswhipping on y'all a bunch of idiots. I guess for people
like you learning from your mistakes is impossible.
>BTW Your good bud Georgie Porgie decided to bow the U.S. out of the
>international population control agreement, instead deciding that
>preaching "teenage abstinence" to a bunch of 3rd-world wogs was the
>answer to keeping global population down instead of proactive methods
>like birth control education.
So I guess you are all for China's method of killing little girls that
are born into a family...? Eh..? Fucking leftists are the biggests
totalitarian thugs around...
Me I believe in growth for cutting down populaton growth. Make a
family rich and it loses the need to have a large family to sustain
itsefl. But that wont do for leftist thugs...y'all cannot get away
from that strong desire to control peoples lives.
PAPA DOC
>
>--scharmers
>--wars for water, not oil
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Scharmers wrote:
> PAPADOC <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message news:<87lmsugobosjo4142...@4ax.com>...
>
> > Lets see if thats true then what does that make demoncrats...?
>
> People with less oil money to buy their way into elections.
You hold the voting public in rather low esteem, scharmy. Are they sheep? Or are the sheep only the ones
that disagree with you?
> Oh well, with Republicans in control of the White House I'm sure
> things will swing back around in a few years. Most people do get
> tired of seeing the rich get richer even when their attention is
> diverted by the bread-and-circus methods of bogus "tax cuts" and
> violent foreign expenditures.
Is that what happens? Are you better off than 30 years ago?
> Then again, if you're the proof, then we Americans are getting
> stupider and more violent and pretty much deserve to ruled over by a
> bunch of plutocrats.
<smirk>
Clearly a troll, but I am reticent to respond with the requisite vitriol, as your image may be forever
besmirched...
> BTW Your good bud Georgie Porgie decided to bow the U.S. out of the
> international population control agreement,
Good thing, that...
> instead deciding that
> preaching "teenage abstinence"
Is this a bad thing?
> to a bunch of 3rd-world wogs
Displaying a rather low regard for the folks you suggest are the beneficiaries of your position.
> was the answer to keeping global population down instead of proactive methods
> like birth control education.
He wasnt against it, silly boy. He was against our funding it. There IS a difference.
> So in your wise words "I say if thats true we arent killing them quick enough...speed it up" well, I say
> that we're going to have to accelerate that particular process because
> there's going to be a lot more of "them". More forward, 21st-Century
> Republican thinking.
Try becoming familiar with your ideological opponents. Less you be perceived as just another of the silly
mass of the self indulgent.
Have a nice day.
:)
DrOk
<warsforpeacenotpeaceatallcosts>
Bimo
> --scharmers
> --wars for water, not oil
Wow.... not everyone gets all 3 ladies up at once...
Bimo
Allan Mayer
writes:
>I don't even know what the hell your talking about. ;)
Because you are too stupid !!!
Keep burying your head in the sand.
Allan Mayer
scha...@hotmail.com (Scharmers) writes:
>Keep saying that, smackhead,
What it is with you faggots anyway ?????
All ya want is to see the USA hurt in some way, and
not realize that the threat is aimed at your prople too !!!!!
You are better off just keeping to what you know.
Being a little homosexual..............
Lord Data
> Big deal. Sluggish in RATE of GROWTH.
>
> Is a growing economy a healthy economy?
>
>
> I know what it means. You dont. Are you honestly going to compete with ME regarding the state of
> the US economy, you complete ignoramous?
>
> Mwahahahahaha.
>
> Bring it on, silly shilder...
>
I'll bite. What is your opinion on underfunded pensions and the
expensing of options? Doesn't that bother you a little bit?
And a 50 point cut, that's a huge cut. Doesn't it worry you that it is
really starting to look like Japan? Deflation is a bitch, I tell ya.
Lord Data
>
>
> Christer Johansen wrote:
>
> > Yeehaw and amen!
> >
> > </sarcasm off>
>
> Its refreshing to see that the 'cowboy' notion is assumed, lockstep, in el
> europa. Wouldnt want to be surprised/disappointed by some educated, forward
> thinking, coming from the continent.
>
> Lets face it, bellicosity, and an unwillingness to aquaint oneself with the
> facts is considered a positive character trait in Europe.
>
> DrOk
>
>
>
It's refreshing to see that your hatred of Europe is still intact. At
least some things never change. Out of curiosity, have you ever been to
Europe? Where did it go wrong?
PAPADOC
remains to be seen if Bush will see this in time. Conventional wisdom
rarely understands deflation....and even more rarely understands what
to do about it. (Hint it has to do with reducing government spending)
But the most important item is keeping our eye on the terrorist ball
right now...wont do to have a booming economy if one of our cities
goes boom.
PAPA DOC
>I'll bite. What is your opinion on underfunded pensions and the
>expensing of options? Doesn't that bother you a little bit?
>
>And a 50 point cut, that's a huge cut. Doesn't it worry you that it is
>really starting to look like Japan? Deflation is a bitch, I tell ya.
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Allan Mayer
<inv...@invalid.com> writes:
>It's refreshing to see that your hatred of Europe is still intact. At
>least some things never change. Out of curiosity, have you ever been to
>Europe? Where did it go wrong?
I have, and a good start would be Nevill Chaimberlain in 1938...
This type of appeasment policy only serves to embolden those
who are bent on doing evil to civilized govts and people.
And this is what Americans see comming out of europe again today...
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Lord Data wrote:
> In article <3DCBEA1A...@annex.annex>, an...@annex.annex says...
> > Big deal. Sluggish in RATE of GROWTH.
> >
> > Is a growing economy a healthy economy?
> >
> >
> > I know what it means. You dont. Are you honestly going to compete with ME regarding the state of
> > the US economy, you complete ignoramous?
> >
> > Mwahahahahaha.
> >
> > Bring it on, silly shilder...
> >
>
> I'll bite. What is your opinion on underfunded pensions
What do corporate practices have to do with the economy, or Greenspans incetivising via cuts in cost
of money? Your question is irrelevant, except in the sense that it illustrates your biases.
I think pension funds should be sufficient to support current pensioners, and stable enough to
generate the wealth required to support future pensioners. Thats the normal approach...
> and the expensing of options? Doesn't that bother you a little bit?
Thats a different story, and some corporations do it, and some do not. Coirporate malfeasance is not
the cause of the current slow down. Although these types of offenses are egregious, and should be
pounished, they are commited by a tniy fraction of corporate officres, and do not have an apprciable
effect on the economy.
The stock market is not the economy.
>
> And a 50 point cut, that's a huge cut.
No, its no.
> Doesn't it worry you that it is really starting to look like Japan?
A debt based economy???? Are you serious? Clearly, you dont know what you're talking about. Japans
been in trouble for more than 11 years.
> Deflation is a bitch, I tell ya.
Sure is. So is The Plague. We arent seeing it here, though ('cept for those two poor folks from Iowa).
Just a slowing in the rate of growth.
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Lord Data wrote:
Well, given that you've not acquainted yourself with my posts, and position, well
enough to speak in an informed manner, about same, you deserve no response. But,
I will anyway, as I am generous.
I dont hold europe in poor regarding, just some of its inhabitants. Such as those
who paint with a wide 'cowboy' brush.
Been there, done that. You've to fix your own problems, and, there are those
amongst you who know what they are. Let them deal wit it, as you're, apparently,
too disinterested to aquiant yourself with these.
I will mention farm subsidies in France, and Blairs go 'round with Chirac
regarding same, 2-3 weeks ago. Thats a prime example. Has all the issues rolled
into one.
DrOk
Lord Data
>
>
> Lord Data wrote:
>
> > In article <3DCBEA1A...@annex.annex>, an...@annex.annex says...
> > > Big deal. Sluggish in RATE of GROWTH.
> > >
> > > Is a growing economy a healthy economy?
> > >
> > >
> > > I know what it means. You dont. Are you honestly going to compete with ME regarding the state of
> > > the US economy, you complete ignoramous?
> > >
> > > Mwahahahahaha.
> > >
> > > Bring it on, silly shilder...
> > >
> >
> > I'll bite. What is your opinion on underfunded pensions
>
> What do corporate practices have to do with the economy, or Greenspans incetivising via cuts in cost
> of money? Your question is irrelevant, except in the sense that it illustrates your biases.
>
> I think pension funds should be sufficient to support current pensioners, and stable enough to
> generate the wealth required to support future pensioners. Thats the normal approach...
Well yes, that's the theory. The fact is that a lot of pensions are
under funded because of ther huge losses in the stock market. The stock
market isn't coming back to the levels we've seen in the last years.
Well, it might, but I wouldn't bet on it. Don't you think this will have
an economic impact?
> > and the expensing of options? Doesn't that bother you a little bit?
>
> Thats a different story, and some corporations do it, and some do not. Coirporate malfeasance is not
> the cause of the current slow down. Although these types of offenses are egregious, and should be
> pounished, they are commited by a tniy fraction of corporate officres, and do not have an apprciable
> effect on the economy.
>
Whether it is malfeasant or not is debatable as it wasn't clearly
forbidden, but in the end this will have an impact. As the pensions,
this will directly impact the bottom lines of companies. You still think
influence the economy somehow?
> The stock market is not the economy.
It is a reflection of the economy, sometimes distorted, I'll give you
that, but a reflection anyway.
> >
> > And a 50 point cut, that's a huge cut.
>
> No, its no.
The prime rate is 1.25% in the US and 4% in Europe. Which side of the
Atlantic do you think capitals will be flowing in the coming month.
Looked at the exchange rate of the dollar against the euro lately?
>
> > Doesn't it worry you that it is really starting to look like Japan?
>
> A debt based economy???? Are you serious? Clearly, you dont know what you're talking about. Japans
> been in trouble for more than 11 years.
So somehow the US are above anything and there is no way it could
happen. Well, maybe you do know things we don't. Do the right thing for
your country and offer your help to the Fed. It looks like they're
struggling at the moment.
>
> > Deflation is a bitch, I tell ya.
>
> Sure is. So is The Plague. We arent seeing it here, though ('cept for those two poor folks from Iowa).
> Just a slowing in the rate of growth.
>
That is a possibility, but between deflation and stagflation, I'm not
sure I like any of the outcomes.
Lord Data
>
>
> Lord Data wrote:
>
> > In article <3DC979CC...@rex.annex>, spasm...@rex.annex says...
> > >
> > >
> > > Christer Johansen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yeehaw and amen!
> > > >
> > > > </sarcasm off>
> > >
> > > Its refreshing to see that the 'cowboy' notion is assumed, lockstep, in el
> > > europa. Wouldnt want to be surprised/disappointed by some educated, forward
> > > thinking, coming from the continent.
> > >
> > > Lets face it, bellicosity, and an unwillingness to aquaint oneself with the
> > > facts is considered a positive character trait in Europe.
> > >
> > > DrOk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It's refreshing to see that your hatred of Europe is still intact. At
> > least some things never change. Out of curiosity, have you ever been to
> > Europe? Where did it go wrong?
>
> Well, given that you've not acquainted yourself with my posts, and position, well
> enough to speak in an informed manner, about same, you deserve no response. But,
> I will anyway, as I am generous.
Well thank you Majesty. We're not worthy.
> I dont hold europe in poor regarding, just some of its inhabitants. Such as those
> who paint with a wide 'cowboy' brush.
>
> Been there, done that. You've to fix your own problems, and, there are those
> amongst you who know what they are. Let them deal wit it, as you're, apparently,
> too disinterested to aquiant yourself with these.
>
Interesting... Somehow you know all about Europe, what our problems are
and how we should solve them. However, there is no way the opposite
would be possible. Yes, interesting...
> I will mention farm subsidies in France, and Blairs go 'round with Chirac
> regarding same, 2-3 weeks ago. Thats a prime example. Has all the issues rolled
> into one.
Coming from you I was expecting a bit more than just that. You really
didn't put much effor into it. Nevermind.
>
> DrOk
>
>
>
Lord Data
@aol.com says...
1938??? We're in 2002. Don't you think it's time to move on?
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Lord Data wrote:
> In article <3DCFE3F7...@annex.annex>, an...@annex.annex says...
> >
> >
> > Lord Data wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3DCBEA1A...@annex.annex>, an...@annex.annex says...
> > > > Big deal. Sluggish in RATE of GROWTH.
> > > >
> > > > Is a growing economy a healthy economy?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know what it means. You dont. Are you honestly going to compete with ME regarding the state of
> > > > the US economy, you complete ignoramous?
> > > >
> > > > Mwahahahahaha.
> > > >
> > > > Bring it on, silly shilder...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'll bite. What is your opinion on underfunded pensions
> >
> > What do corporate practices have to do with the economy, or Greenspans incetivising via cuts in cost
> > of money? Your question is irrelevant, except in the sense that it illustrates your biases.
> >
> > I think pension funds should be sufficient to support current pensioners, and stable enough to
> > generate the wealth required to support future pensioners. Thats the normal approach...
Are any pensioner not getting thier pensions? If you exclude Enron (and, their criminal liability will end
up in jail time, and payment of these pensions, largely by the guilty), the answer is no.
Pesions are being paid, future pensions will be too.
> The stock market isn't coming back to the levels we've seen in the last years.
Never? It isnt? Who's you're adviser? You should fire him/her for providing such information. The market
will return. It always does. Study this.
> Well, it might, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Apparently not. Your loss, in the long term You should, however, with some portion of your income, depending
upon your age. You, too, if lucky, will reach retirement age. Prepare for it.
> Don't you think this will have an economic impact?
The stock market not coming back, or pensions not getting paid in the future? Since both of these are
uninformed speculation, I wont attempt to evaluate the impact.
> > > and the expensing of options? Doesn't that bother you a little bit?
> >
> > Thats a different story, and some corporations do it, and some do not. Coirporate malfeasance is not
> > the cause of the current slow down. Although these types of offenses are egregious, and should be
> > pounished, they are commited by a tniy fraction of corporate officres, and do not have an apprciable
> > effect on the economy.
> >
>
> Whether it is malfeasant or not is debatable as it wasn't clearly
> forbidden,
What is determined to be malfeasnce will be remedied.
> but in the end this will have an impact. As the pensions, this will directly impact the bottom lines of
> companies.
Which companies, and how? Your taking a rather general topic, and trying to draw an conclusion, based upon
the perceived wrong doings of some, small portion, of the custodians of pensions.
In my state, the pension fund lost 200 million last month, but that doesnt mean it will be unable to pay
future pensions.
> You still think influence the economy somehow?
You've not proved anything, lordy. Except maybe your lack of mastery of a somewhat complex aspect of
corporate accounting...
> > The stock market is not the economy.
>
> It is a reflection of the economy,
No, its a reflection of the averages calculated to provide the index. Its simply NOT the economy.
> sometimes distorted, I'll give you that, but a reflection anyway.
>
> > >
> > > And a 50 point cut, that's a huge cut.
> >
> > No, its no.
>
> The prime rate is 1.25% in the US and 4% in Europe.
Yes, so?
> Which side of the Atlantic do you think capitals will be flowing in the coming month.
Point being? You said .5% was large. It isnt.
> Looked at the exchange rate of the dollar against the euro lately?
So what?
As an aside, which economy is more healthy, the US, or anywhere else in the world?
> >
> > > Doesn't it worry you that it is really starting to look like Japan?
> >
> > A debt based economy???? Are you serious? Clearly, you dont know what you're talking about. Japans
> > been in trouble for more than 11 years.
>
> So somehow the US are above anything and there is no way it could
> happen.
Japan has a debt based economy. Do you understand this? Or even what it means? Apparently not.
> Well, maybe you do know things we don't.
Yes, quite. Japans economy has a unique set of problems. Thats was your example, not mine.
> Do the right thing for your country and offer your help to the Fed.
I agree with the Fed. They are doing the right thing by trying to stimulate spending. No?
> It looks like they're struggling at the moment.
Does it?
No accounting for points of view, I suppose. Some are informed, soem are not.
> > > Deflation is a bitch, I tell ya.
> >
> > Sure is. So is The Plague. We arent seeing it here, though ('cept for those two poor folks from Iowa).
> > Just a slowing in the rate of growth.
> >
>
> That is a possibility, but between deflation and stagflation, I'm not sure I like any of the outcomes.
Niether are happening, or are going to happen, now. In the US. I cannot speak for europe.
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Lord Data wrote:
> Well thank you Majesty. We're not worthy.
Who's 'we'? You got a mouse in yer pocket?
> > I dont hold europe in poor regarding, just some of its inhabitants. Such as those
> > who paint with a wide 'cowboy' brush.
> >
> > Been there, done that. You've to fix your own problems, and, there are those
> > amongst you who know what they are. Let them deal wit it, as you're, apparently,
> > too disinterested to aquiant yourself with these.
> >
>
> Interesting... Somehow you know all about Europe, what our problems are
> and how we should solve them.
Some folks are more informed than others. Your psost prove this. Stop whining, and
disabuse yerself of yer biases...
> However, there is no way the opposite would be possible. Yes, interesting...
Not quite correct. I know more than YOU do. Do you represent all of europe? I certainly
hope not...
> > I will mention farm subsidies in France, and Blairs go 'round with Chirac
> > regarding same, 2-3 weeks ago. Thats a prime example. Has all the issues rolled
> > into one.
> Coming from you I was expecting a bit more than just that.
I suspect you dont understand my point. That disagreement has all the polemicals needed
to understand whats wrong with europe. Not surprising.
Europe will convince itself that the US 'is' whatever selfserving characterization
serves them, and move away from us. Until they (you) need us, again.
Its just envy, mostly. And an adolescent fixation with unworkable socialist agendas...
> You really didn't put much effor into it.
heh...
Since you offered nothing, what right have you to expect more content than has been
supplied?
> Nevermind.
I never compleed you to introduce yerself into the thread to begin with. I never did
'mind'
Bye
DrOk
Lord Data
>
>
Apologies for the formatting. My newsreader won't quote the whole thread
so I snipped a little bit.
> Are any pensioner not getting thier pensions? If you exclude Enron (and, their criminal liability will end
up in jail time, and payment of these pensions, largely by the guilty),
the answer is no.
> Pesions are being paid, future pensions will be too.
I never implied wouldn't be paid. It is reasonnable to expect that they
will, although there is a stronger risk that they won't than a few yers
ago. The real issue is that money will have to be diverted from the
economy to make up for the loss.
> Which companies, and how? Your taking a rather general topic, and
trying to draw an conclusion, based upon
the perceived wrong doings of some, small portion, of the custodians of
pensions.
A few examples that come to mind are IBM, GM, Ford amongst others. IBM
just issued some stock to make up for the difference which is the right
thing to do, but think about it. If every company does it, then the
stocks they hold will be diluted and therefore worth less. Ah what a
nightmare.
I'm not sure how interested you are in the subject (it's plain boring to
be honest), but here is the link for the IBM story.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ft/021106/1035873062061_2.html
> In my state, the pension fund lost 200 million last month, but that doesnt mean it will be unable to pay
future pensions.
I have no idea what your state is, but is all relative. For instance a
200 million loss for the CALPERS pension fund would be considered heroic
in the current market conditions.
I'll give you my opinion since you didn't ask for it. I think a lot of
pension fund would benefit in behaving a little bit more like hedge
funds. I might be completely wrong, but I hear a lot of pension funds
aren't allowed to use hedging instruments like options or not even
shorting. If that it's true, it would be a shame as it would sure come
in handy in markets like the one we're experimenting
> You've not proved anything, lordy. Except maybe your lack of mastery of a somewhat complex aspect of
corporate accounting...
I'm sorry if I sounded like I was trying to prove anything. This was
certainly not my intention. I have nothing to prove to you and even if I
did, would you really care? I was merely pointing the fact that things
aren't as black or white as you would like to believe.
And there is the fact that any poster who contradicts your views is
certain to get abuse. And let me tell you, you bring abuse to a whole
new level. It's almost an art with you. So there is a little bit of
teasing as well, but nothing bad really.
I think that in real life you're probably not the right wing bigot that
you like to portray yourself as and I was really curious to have a one
to one discussion via e-mail, but you declined it, which is fair enough.
can't blame you on that.
And yes, I had to endure corporate accounting lessons in school. And it
is far from being complex. Apparently it can even be creative at certain
firms.
<Reagarding the expensing of stocks options>
> What is determined to be malfeasnce will be remedied.
As I said, there was nothing illegal about it and at present, expensing
is only a recommendation, not an obligation. It think that although
painful, it's a good thing. It was simply not acceptable and who knows,
we might even see tech companies paying real salaries instead of
worthless stock options (unless you happened to be in management that
is). Which reminds me of a funny story with my stock options, but I'll
spare you this time.
> No, its a reflection of the averages calculated to provide the index.
Its simply NOT the economy.
I'll have to pass on this one as I'm not really sure what index you're
referring to.
>> The prime rate is 1.25% in the US and 4% in Europe.
>Yes, so?
> Which side of the Atlantic do you think capitals will be flowing in the coming month.
Point being? You said .5% was large. It isnt.
> Looked at the exchange rate of the dollar against the euro lately?
So what?
> As an aside, which economy is more healthy, the US, or anywhere else in the world?
I'm not going to into details as I don't want to bore you to death, but
a prime rate at 1.25% has serious consequences on things like money
market funds and other liquid markets. If you were a saver (I know, not
very common in the US, but let's pretend for the sake of it), where
would you put your money? In the US or in Europe? Look at the exchange
rate and you have the answer.
I can only speak for the US and Europe which are the economies that I'm
familiar with. A few might argue that China is booming right now.
As which economy is healthier, well, objectively I would say Europe,
although if it gets ugly in the US, I wouldn't swear to that. We're in a
globalized world after all. I could give you all the reasons in the
world as to why, but that wouldn't change your opinion, so I guess we'll
move on.
> Japan has a debt based economy. Do you understand this? Or even what it means? Apparently not.
The US too. Deal with it.
> Well, maybe you do know things we don't.
> Yes, quite. Japans economy has a unique set of problems. Thats was your example, not mine.
That's still not good enough to avoid stagflation or deflation.
> Do the right thing for your country and offer your help to the Fed.
> I agree with the Fed. They are doing the right thing by trying to stimulate spending. No?
If you were representative of the total population of the US, then yes,
I would agree, it worked. Go out, max out your credit cards like there
is no Tomorrow. Unfortunately, it looks like not everybody agrees.
If you're have the slightest interest in economics or finance, I'd
recommend you listen to this guy:
http://aegeancapital.com/freeservices/archives1/Guests/Hussman/pg1.htm
Very impressive.
> That is a possibility, but between deflation and stagflation, I'm not sure I like any of the outcomes.
> Niether are happening, or are going to happen, now. In the US. I cannot speak for europe.
I wish that it doesn't, but if it doesn, you heard it here first!
This concludes this rather long post. This also the time for me to bid
adieu. I just don't have more time to follow the group. I'd like to
apologize to the group for my lack of contribution. After all, my only
posts were VERY OT.
Good luck to all in these troubled times.
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Lord Data wrote:
> In article <3DD00A69...@annex.annex>, an...@annex.annex says...
> >
> >
>
> Apologies for the formatting. My newsreader won't quote the whole thread
> so I snipped a little bit.
>
> > Are any pensioner not getting thier pensions? If you exclude Enron (and, their criminal liability will end
> up in jail time, and payment of these pensions, largely by the guilty),
> the answer is no.
>
> > Pesions are being paid, future pensions will be too.
>
> I never implied wouldn't be paid.
Then, whats the problem?
> It is reasonnable to expect that they
> will, although there is a stronger risk that they won't than a few yers
> ago.
The risk is minimal, provided conservative investing methods are employed. In some cases (my state,
massachusetts,) they have not been. or at least not uniformly.
> The real issue is that money will have to be diverted from the
> economy to make up for the loss.
No, this isnt the real issue. It is rational to presume that pension funds will continue to pay pensions, in the
future, as they are now, if prudent, conservative, investment strtegies are employed by those managing the
pensions, and those managing the securities these pensions funds are invested into.
> > Which companies, and how? Your taking a rather general topic, and
> trying to draw an conclusion, based upon
> the perceived wrong doings of some, small portion, of the custodians of
> pensions.
>
> A few examples that come to mind are IBM, GM, Ford amongst others. IBM
> just issued some stock to make up for the difference which is the right
> thing to do, but think about it.
Yes, thats one method.
> If every company does it,
Every company wont, for obvious reasons.
> then the stocks they hold will be diluted and therefore worth less. Ah what a
> nightmare.
I dont think any CFO and CEO would agree to issue stocks to pensioners, at the risk of making those same stocks
worthless. The Board would stand for it, and, typically, those guys hold a large amount of stock too.
> I'm not sure how interested you are in the subject (it's plain boring to
> be honest), but here is the link for the IBM story.
I am. I will read the link, given time. Thanks.
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ft/021106/1035873062061_2.html
>
> > In my state, the pension fund lost 200 million last month, but that doesnt mean it will be unable to pay
> future pensions.
>
> I have no idea what your state is, but is all relative. For instance a
> 200 million loss for the CALPERS pension fund would be considered heroic
> in the current market conditions.
Yes, my point exactly. Losses will be incurred, when the rate of growth slows, but they will reverse again,
eventually. The stock market always rises, in the long term. Pension funds are invested, mostly, with long term
in mind.
> I'll give you my opinion since you didn't ask for it. I think a lot of
> pension fund would benefit in behaving a little bit more like hedge
> funds. I might be completely wrong, but I hear a lot of pension funds
> aren't allowed to use hedging instruments like options or not even
> shorting. If that it's true, it would be a shame as it would sure come
> in handy in markets like the one we're experimenting
Well, markets like todays are not the norm, so, fund rules should not be modified to address current situations.
It becomes more risky. Essentially, proper allocation balance, best fund, or stock, in sector, and simple
prudence, are the keys to a succesful LT investment.
> > You've not proved anything, lordy. Except maybe your lack of mastery of a somewhat complex aspect of
> corporate accounting...
>
> I'm sorry if I sounded like I was trying to prove anything. This was
> certainly not my intention. I have nothing to prove to you and even if I
> did, would you really care? I was merely pointing the fact that things
> aren't as black or white as you would like to believe.
I dont beleive they're black and white, and please excuse the somewhat harsh tone. However, you should not (not
'you', but the generic pension fund manager) modify your behavior, to act in a more risky fashion, because the
market is throttleing nowadays. You need to be aware of this possibility, and insure against it, via prudent
investment, and, be mindful of changes in the sectors you've invested in, so you may act preemptively, to
address what has happened in the last 18 mo. Lets face it, a cigar store indian (a wooden statue) could have
made money in the market between 91 and 99/00. It was wise to back out, and get spread out, to minimize risk, by
about Sept 00. Thoise who did so, didnt take a serious hit. Those who stayed in tech, and never got out, got
killed. Fund managers need to see sort of this coming. Many did not becasue thier companies were also handling
the investment banking for those same big chip companies that thier fundds were invested in.
My gripe is, and has always been with the adviser, who always advise 'buy', so that the stock goes up. No matter
what. All thios talk of a 'new economic paradigm, where pe or peg was 200 as opposed to 20 was nuts, or worse.
Greensoan warned against 'irrational exuberance' a while back. Many folks didnt listen.
> And there is the fact that any poster who contradicts your views is
> certain to get abuse.
Not true. Only folks who bring a challenge to the table. The post to which I responded, regarding europe, was
insulting to the US. I wasnt addressing you, directly. Read the thread.
I regret responding to you seriously, now, as you've proved unworthy of my benevolence.
<place magnificent orchestral music here>
> And let me tell you, you bring abuse to a whole
> new level. It's almost an art with you. So there is a little bit of
> teasing as well, but nothing bad really.
Yes. I pride myself in my ability to abuse those who earn it. Are you among them?
> I think that in real life you're probably not the right wing bigot
Yes, you are. Using terms like 'bigot', when I've not posted a single bigoted word, qualifies you as one of the
knee-jerk morons. Lets see whats next...
> that
> you like to portray yourself as and I was really curious to have a one
> to one discussion via e-mail, but you declined it, which is fair enough.
> can't blame you on that.
I dont discourse, via email, with nearly anyone in this group. I have not desire to converse outside this forum,
regarding these topics.
We've strayed from the issue, I see...
No matter.
> And yes, I had to endure corporate accounting lessons in school.
Bookeeping, or accounting?
> And it is far from being complex.
6 and 8 column worksheets isnt the equivalent of understanding the complex, and arcane tax laws that govern
business accounting. Suggesting this isnt complex is ludicrous.. Defining expenses, can, indeed, be challenging.
> Apparently it can even be creative at certain firms.
>
> <Reagarding the expensing of stocks options>
>
> > What is determined to be malfeasnce will be remedied.
>
> As I said, there was nothing illegal about it and at present, expensing
> is only a recommendation, not an obligation. It think that although
> painful, it's a good thing. It was simply not acceptable and who knows,
> we might even see tech companies paying real salaries instead of
> worthless stock options
I get a real salary. And stock options. Negotiation is the way to insure decent compensation. Stock options were
a boon to those who cashed in before 99-00, no?
Cant have it both ways. You simply need to know when to get out. When the price will be right. Essentially, you
need to 'market time'. Which is a no no, but, thats the way it is. Else the options kill you, when you become
vested, etc.
> (unless you happened to be in management that
> is). Which reminds me of a funny story with my stock options, but I'll
> spare you this time.
Paid a bunch of taxes, when you became vested, and hadda sell? See above. Common story. No one can insulate you
against the vagaries of the market...
> > No, its a reflection of the averages calculated to provide the index.
> Its simply NOT the economy.
>
> I'll have to pass on this one as I'm not really sure what index you're
> referring to.
DJIA
> >> The prime rate is 1.25% in the US and 4% in Europe.
>
> >Yes, so?
>
> > Which side of the Atlantic do you think capitals will be flowing in the coming month.
>
> Point being? You said .5% was large. It isnt.
>
> > Looked at the exchange rate of the dollar against the euro lately?
>
> So what?
>
> > As an aside, which economy is more healthy, the US, or anywhere else in the world?
>
> I'm not going to into details as I don't want to bore you to death, but
> a prime rate at 1.25% has serious consequences on things like money
> market funds and other liquid markets.
Yes. It makes them less attractive as investments. Obviously.
> If you were a saver (I know, not
> very common in the US, but let's pretend for the sake of it),
I am. It is common, amongst some segments. Now, if its Japan, then...
> where would you put your money? In the US or in Europe? Look at the exchange
> rate and you have the answer.
If I were to invest in that manner. I dont. I dont invest in money funds. Not now.
> I can only speak for the US and Europe which are the economies that I'm
> familiar with. A few might argue that China is booming right now.
> As which economy is healthier, well, objectively I would say Europe,
Incorrect.. The US has the healthiest economy in the world, currently.
<shakes head>
>
> although if it gets ugly in the US, I wouldn't swear to that. We're in a
> globalized world after all. I could give you all the reasons in the
> world as to why, but that wouldn't change your opinion, so I guess we'll
> move on.
You're not making sense, here. It seems to me that you're the one who doesnt understand.
> > Japan has a debt based economy. Do you understand this? Or even what it means? Apparently not.
>
> The US too. Deal with it.
A 'debt based economy'???!!!???!!!???
<shakes head again>
You, quite evidently, dont understand what that is. Its a fundimental difference in the way...
Never mind.
> > Well, maybe you do know things we don't.
>
> > Yes, quite. Japans economy has a unique set of problems. Thats was your example, not mine.
>
> That's still not good enough to avoid stagflation or deflation.
Again, this doesnt make sense. Their problems are BUILT INTO thier economy. Ours are not. Why did the rest od
Asia, go bad, a few years ago, and then recover, while Japan went from bad to bad?
> > Do the right thing for your country and offer your help to the Fed.
>
> > I agree with the Fed. They are doing the right thing by trying to stimulate spending. No?
>
> If you were representative of the total population of the US, then yes,
> I would agree, it worked. Go out, max out your credit cards like there
> is no Tomorrow. Unfortunately, it looks like not everybody agrees.
>
<shakes head>
Consumer confidense is down, a bit, over two months ago. However,lets ee what the Christmas season brings. I
strongly suspect things are substantially less severe than you suggest.
> If you're have the slightest interest in economics or finance, I'd
> recommend you listen to this guy:
I do. And I understand it too.
> http://aegeancapital.com/freeservices/archives1/Guests/Hussman/pg1.htm
>
> Very impressive.
>
I'll read the link.
>
> > That is a possibility, but between deflation and stagflation, I'm not sure I like any of the outcomes.
>
> > Niether are happening, or are going to happen, now. In the US. I cannot speak for europe.
>
> I wish that it doesn't, but if it doesn, you heard it here first!
And, if it doesnt? There are NO strong indications of either stagnation, OR deflation, in the economy. Quite the
contrary. Our rate of GROWTH has slowed.
But, its still a GROWING economy.
Reactionary economic practices are never advisable. You can NEVER react to the market, and make money, in the
long run.
PS took a look at Hussmans site. Be careful of what you read there. I rely, to a significant degree, on Lawrence
Kudlow and Jim Cramer. Scope them out.
Allan Mayer
<inv...@invalid.com> writes:
>1938??? We're in 2002. Don't you think it's time to move on?
>
Thats just my point.
It IS 2002, and I see the europeans balking at dealing with
Iraq, and the way the un has done nothing about the problem
for 11 years, yes it's no wonder that Americans are suspicious
of europe now. The same bending over in the face of aggression
as was in the past, makes us wonder............
Scharmers
> In article <MPG.183a1afe3...@news.clara.net>, Lord Data
> <inv...@invalid.com> writes:
>
> >1938??? We're in 2002. Don't you think it's time to move on?
> >
>
> Thats just my point.
> It IS 2002, and I see the europeans balking at dealing with
> Iraq, and the way the un has done nothing about the problem
> for 11 years, yes it's no wonder that Americans are suspicious
> of europe now. The same bending over in the face of aggression
> as was in the past, makes us wonder............
> Allan
Where do the Europeans get their oil, sport?
You should probably read up on, say, the history of Israel. The
Europeans almost always sided with the Arabs during this 60+ years of
turmoil. It's not "bending over in the face of aggression", it's
pragmatism. The Europeans do not have two large oceans isolating them
from the rest of the world. The Europeans do not have much oil left
in their territory. Etc.
"Bending over in the face of aggression"...bullshit. Iraq is not Nazi
Germany. Iraq is not the Sudenland 1938. Iraq has not been rebuilding
a formidable Luftwaffe. Iraq does not have a cadre of
forward-thinking generals (no Iraqi Guderian, for example), or
expansively-trained troops. Iraq is a crap third-world piece of shit
run by a tinpot dictator. A patsy. Perfect for America to sharpen
their claws on with minimal risk.
But Iraq has OIL. Europe needs oil. Therefore, Europe tends to try
to slide around the issue when big bad America starts beating its
chest. Duh, airhead.
--scharmers
Vern Pellerin
>"Bending over in the face of aggression"...bullshit. Iraq is not Nazi
>Germany.
You're right, Iraq is NOT Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany probably NEVER got
as close to having nukes as Iraq. Therefore, Iraq is far more dangerous, due
solely to weapons of mass destruction. If not to us, certainly dangerous to
other countries within striking distance of Iraq's weapons, be-it Israel or
whom-ever.
Confidential
You don't need to capture a corps. Fucking right wing Radicals will never
learn. :)
I guess that now that the Pub have total control they may find time to get
Congress to actually declare war on Al Quaeda. Or should they just declare
Bush king and continue the Monarchy?
"Sean Long" <sl...@sw.rr.com> wrote in message
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> How can you have an "execution" if nobody was in custody? The fuckups at
> CNN are practically cheering for the bad guys. Fucking liberal
spin-freaks.
>
> Sean Long
> eagl
>
> "PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
> news:kfoesuguou1mn9gl5...@4ax.com...
> > CNN has a poll asking the stupidest question yet...
> > Was the U.S. right to execute terror suspects without a trial?
> >
> > I guess no one has alerted them that we are at war...being down in
> > Atlanta I can see how they might miss it.
> >
> > PAPA DOC
>
>
Confidential
doing their duty or just being tourist. I think that the USA should take
out guys like Osoma Bin Ladin when they get the opportunity. I know that
Osoma is always looking up and wondering when the next Hellfire Missile we
be aimed in his direction. He is a marked man. Dead man walking who has to
hide under the skirts of old Women to survive. He is smart like a fox but
he will be dead like a corps sooner or later. And his follower will find
the same fate.
Japan once declared war on the USA and forced us to defend ourselves. We
have fought the British, French, American Indians, Germans and the Japanese
and survived a 40 year cold war with Russia. I don't think we will have too
much trouble wiping out a few Muslims extremist.
"Ivan Jozic" <ijo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aqarfd$9u4$1...@bagan.srce.hr...
> I think the problem is that the meaning of war has different
> interpretations.. I mean, yes, you can understand it as such because a
lots
> of Muslim fundamentalist want to make US suffer.. But, except for 9.11.,
> other attacks did not take place on US soil and you can't say that the
> population of US is under constant threat and feels the effects of this
> (apart from more power to the government agencies, some economic problems
> due to the atack and such)..
>
> I mean, when I was in war as a kid, there were grenades falling all over
the
> place and I was in constant fear whether I, my parents, etc. will even
> survive.. It is not easy to know that your parents are going to work every
> day inspite of grenades and you wonder will they survive and start
preparing
> yourself for the fact that they might be dead.. Pretty bad stuff when
you're
> a kid..
>
>
> "Chuck C." <nony...@all.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns92BDDE329265...@204.127.202.16...
> > "Birkemose" <A...@mail.dk> wrote in
> > news:3dc847b5$0$241$edfa...@dread11.news.tele.dk:
> >
> > > "Sean Long" wrote...
> > >
> > >> What would YOU call it?
> > >
> > > I think pretty much anybody else in this world calls it TERRORISM !!!
> > >
> > > Europa have had its share, and have delt with it in most cases.... I
> > > dont think this have ever included bombing other countries !!
> > >
> > > Pretty much everybody on this side of the pond knows, that US calls it
> > > war, and not terrorism, because Mr Bush needs to get attantion away
> > > from domestic problems.
> > >
> > > Bimo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hmmmmmm, listen to Sean or another dumbass European. Easy choice.
> >
> > Chuck
> > --
> > Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
> > Benjamin Franklin
>
>
Confidential
your muslim neighbors.
"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Having a Mother In Law who is a doctor for the City in NO and a wife
> that works with FEMA on evacuation plans and other fun bio, chem stuff
> makes this much closer to home. Join that to my natural compulsion to
> wrap my head around anything that might threaten my family makes for a
> really fun time...not.
>
> Worried me alot at first then I learned from the people like you and
> the Brits and others that just because someone is trying to kill you
> doesnt mean your life stops. The biggest problem is insulating the
> children enough to not scare them to death while making sure they are
> sensible.
>
> PAPA DOC
>
> >
> >Yes, you have a point of course.. It's hard when smth like that is
hanging
> >in the air waiting to happen.. Pretty bad stuff, though you have to admit
> >it's not so definitive. I sure hope smth like it never happens, but after
> >9/11 you just can't be sure what might happen next.. Man, that bio stuff
is
> >dreadfull.. Why inventing such a thing when it's only use is an utter
> >destruction of the human race?
> >
> >Mind you, they were also throwing some big chunks of smth resembling
spider
> >web (it was some means of agent transportation) here which caused a lot
of
> >panic, but fortunatelly the tests were negative.. It was scary, though.
> >
> >Seing the pics of skin agents in "action" (or the nerve ones; don't know
> >which are worse) and thinking it might happen to all of us some day is
> >pretty worrying stuff. And that Russia leaking nukes now and then.. :(
> >
>
Confidential
"Birkemose" <A...@mail.dk> wrote in message
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> "Richard" wrote
>
> > I guess any weapon confers god-like powers, but there is something
> > different and to me quite frightening about these Predator hits - the
> > technological power that allows pinpoint control against a moving
> > target, combined with some blend of diplomacy, espionage, betrayal,
> > bribery or coercion that allows someone to make the decision with
> > absolute certaintly that yes, that is the person we are are after.
> > The technical aspect is one thing - the organization that put the red
> > dot on his forehead is quite another.
>
> Even if I basicly understand your concerns, I dont think it is any
different
> thatn pointing a simple rocket launcher and pressing fire... just more
> high-tech !
>
> The bottom line is still... if ex USA does such a thing, why cant ex Libya
> do the excact same thing against a US target ?
>
> Bimo
>
>
Very3
You don't need to capture a corps. Fucking right wing Radicals will never
learn. :)
I guess that now that the Pub have total control they may find time to get
Congress to actually declare war on Al Quaeda. Or should they just declare
Bush king and continue the Monarchy?>>>
my view is the sooner we invade Iraq the better. as the Iraqi citizens will
wave american flags and kiss american troops after we liberate them despite the
creepy left wing and euoprean world war 3 doomsday predictions.
we arent supposed to bomb afganistan. we bomb and they welcome us as liberators
from the sick taliban, we arent supposed to bomb the serbians, we did, and we
were welcomed as liberators and we stopped ethnic cleansing once again in
europe, we werent supposed to have the gulf way and we had arabs waving
american flags and kissing american troops. its soooo obvious what thenoutcome
will be on a Iraq invasion. those peace protesters and odd little european
types are always wrong.
Sean Long
"Confidential" <NotAva...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hey dumb fuck Sean Long
> You don't need to capture a corps. Fucking right wing Radicals will
never
> learn. :)
Who the fuck are you? "Confidential" asswipe. Suck my hairy nutsack, and
learn to spell. "Corps" (pronounced CORE) would be a group of people. I
suspect you were looking for "Corpse", meaning "dead body".
Tuck your little fuckwit shit-for-brains self back in your cave and
hibernate early this year. You're 2 weeks late responding to the thread,
and apparently you didn't notice that even CNN backed off fast when they
realized they'd screwed the pooch on this story.
A day late and way more than a dollar short, maybe you should troll the AOL
forums as that seems a little more your speed. Go hang out with the other
inbreds. Ask the two servicemen shot in the face and shoulder in Kuwait two
days ago if they think it's a fucking war. Better yet, put on a uniform and
defend your worthless fucking life and the lives of others, if you're not
too damned self-centered and rightous about how the fucking enemy deserves
anything but to be hunted down and shot on sight.
Bring it on bitch. Better yet, put on a turban, grab an AK, and give me a
chance to shove some GBU goodness up your "Confidential" ass.
Sean Long
eagl
Dusty Rhodes
Do you think you were a little rough on him Sean? ROFLMAO
Dusty Rhodes
"Sean Long" <sl...@sw.rr.com> wrote in message
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Sean Long
"Dusty Rhodes" <james...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> LMAO, I saw this one coming!
>
> Do you think you were a little rough on him Sean? ROFLMAO
A week and a half after I make a post, some anonymous moron comes back and
starts off by calling me a dumb fuck... I'm not really sure as I'm in quite
a bit of pain from a back injury, but I think I was pretty restrained. I
didn't actually threaten him did I? That would have been over the top I
think.
Sean Long
eagl
Confidential
"Sean Long" <sl...@sw.rr.com> wrote in message
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Confidential
him off. I bet his blood pressure shot up to 200/100 and his neck veins
were bulging out. I caught him like a beached Wale. :)
"Dusty Rhodes" <james...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Confidential
immediately after you post it duck fuck. I will read any post anytime I
feel like it and respond any time I feel like it and YOU can't do one
fucking thing about it. Put that is your crack pipe and smoke it.
Oh boy I almost got threatened by some idiot sitting in front of his
commodore computer who's can't even spell.
Sean: When you start attacking people expect to get attacked in return. No
you didn't attack me personally but you attacked those that are dear to me
and that invoked the Fuck YOU response. I respond in kind sir.
"Sean Long" <sl...@sw.rr.com> wrote in message
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Confidential
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/11/23/saudi.fbi.911/index.html
Maybe we should target Saudi Arabia before we target Iraq!
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Dusty Rhodes
new nick from now on SARGE, because you are the lowest form of TROLL allowed
to actually live and breath. It is obvious that your posting here is only
to cause shit. I guess whale shit only know how to cause shit, SARGE.
Dusty Rhodes
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Dusty Rhodes
Funny how a fuckstick like you can hide behind a computer, using a name
confidential and spout your SARGE, knowing that no one knows who you are.
Brave soul you are SARGE. Why don't you run off and play until your nuts
drop into your sack little boy. You are outclassed, outmanned, and
outgunned.
Dusty Rhodes
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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Alrighty then, where to start with this collection of nonsense...lets
bring out the decoder ring to see if any sense can be made of it.
>Hey dumb fuck Sean Long
Alrighty we will assume that you dont know that currently Sean is in
the Air Force, training pilots to fly, or that he was formerly flying
F-15E's dropping big surprises on bad guys.
> You don't need to capture a corps. Fucking right wing Radicals will never
>learn. :)
Either capture them or kill them. Thats the only two options those
fuckers get.
>I guess that now that the Pub have total control they may find time to get
>Congress to actually declare war on Al Quaeda. Or should they just declare
>Bush king and continue the Monarchy?
What is the Pub..? Why do you think that Bush is a Monarchy now..?
PAPA DOC
Confidential
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Confidential
Let the fight begin.
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Very3
I didnt write any of the above crybaby.
Mitchell Holman
>>Read the latest news about the Saudi Govt funding the 911 hijackers.
>>http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/11/23/saudi.fbi.911/index.html
>>Maybe we should target Saudi Arabia before we target Iraq!
>
Bush advisers cashed in on Saudi gravy train
Boston Globe
Tuesday, December 11, 2001
Many of the same American corporate executives who
have reaped millions of dollars from arms and oil
deals with the Saudi monarchy have served or currently
serve at the highest levels of U.S. government, public
records show.
Those lucrative financial relationships call into
question the ability of America's political elite
to make tough foreign policy decisions about the
kingdom that produced Osama bin Laden and is perhaps
the biggest incubator for anti-Western Islamic terrorists.
These intricate personal and financial links have led to
virtual silence in the administration on Saudi Arabia's
failings in dealing with terrorists like bin Laden, said
Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public
Integrity, a Washington, D.C.-based government watchdog group.
``It's good old fashioned `I'll scratch your back, you scratch
mine.' You have former U.S. officials, former presidents, aides
to the current president, a long line of people who are tight
with the Saudis, people who are the pillars of American society
and officialdom,'' said Lewis.
``So for that and other reasons no one wants to alienate the
Saudis, and we are willing to basically ignore inconvenient
truths that might otherwise cause our blood to boil. We
basically look away,'' he said. ``Folks don't like to stop
the gravy train.'' Big Saudi money also makes its way back
to Texas and the Bush family. The family of Saudi Arabia's
longtime U.S. ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul
Aziz, gave $1 million to the Bush Presidential Library in
College Station, Texas.
http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/americas_new_war/saud12102001.htm
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Scharmers
> Ok SARGE. And expect to get back what you dish out (whale shit) IN SPADES.
>
> Funny how a fuckstick like you can hide behind a computer, using a name
> confidential and spout your SARGE, knowing that no one knows who you are.
> Brave soul you are SARGE. Why don't you run off and play until your nuts
> drop into your sack little boy. You are outclassed, outmanned, and
> outgunned.
>
> Dusty Rhodes
SCARY
:O
--scharmers
Confidential
That will be the day. LOL. Only thing you can do is try to make something
out a name found on your computer. That is pathetic mate. Grow some balls
and learn some real class.
Screwball
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