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Bob "KnightRyder" Nielsen
you notice the music?? From "Crimson Tide..."
Bob
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To all who would make America a joke:
Although fickle sympathizers fade away and those who take delight in their
self appointed moral superiority point a judgmental finger in our faces --
this will never cause those who love this great land to forget or retreat.
Let our fair weather friends turn to ridicule, jealousy and hatred as their
empty words and promises dissolve into pale excuses and accusations. We are
millions upon millions who are committed to live for liberty or not live at
all.
To those who mock our open society which refuses to hide it's faults; we
would rather own up to our sins than be with those who ridicule from a
veiled sense of inferiority, who delude themselves with an altered account
of history.
America didn't become great because it was founded by fools and simpletons
or inhabited by cowards. We fought for our freedom and continue to fight.
If we fall, it will be when God allows it and not by terrorist who are
driven by the winds of hell and certainly not by the opinions of those who
lack integrity and resolve.
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Stocky
> Thanks for that one.
>
> To all who would make America a joke:
>
> Although fickle sympathizers fade away and those who take delight in their
> self appointed moral superiority point a judgmental finger in our faces --
> this will never cause those who love this great land to forget or retreat.
>
> Let our fair weather friends turn to ridicule, jealousy and hatred as their
> empty words and promises dissolve into pale excuses and accusations. We are
> millions upon millions who are committed to live for liberty or not live at
> all.
>
> To those who mock our open society which refuses to hide it's faults; we
> would rather own up to our sins than be with those who ridicule from a
> veiled sense of inferiority, who delude themselves with an altered account
> of history.
>
> America didn't become great because it was founded by fools and simpletons
> or inhabited by cowards. We fought for our freedom and continue to fight.
> If we fall, it will be when God allows it and not by terrorist who are
> driven by the winds of hell and certainly not by the opinions of those who
> lack integrity and resolve.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY.
And Americans do exactly that each and every time- we are not fools
who do not know what we have in this country compared to the
experiments of other countries.
There was a lesson for the rest of the world to learn in WW2- The
evening of 12-7-42 we were in the last inning with 2 outs and a 2-0
count on our batter missing 1 leg, a left arm in a sling and a broken
right hand facing a war hardened, well trained, experienced enemy with
a carefully thought out battle plan and advanced weapons. The
expectation was that we were "soft", decadent, overweight,
undertrained, ill-prepared, with antiquated weapons with no will to
fight or win any war.
Something happened- history explained, and I speak American, not
Japanese now.
In 1776 our country embarked on a great experiment- the people rule
here- those simple minded peasants without the brains or will to know
what is best for our country- or so it was thought. To this day we are
in a learning experience- making mistakes, doing wrong things,
changing things we find wrong, adding things we find necessary, and to
the great surprise of many still "rolling along" in "let's roll" mode.
We are willing to "pay the price" of freedom with our blood, sweat,
and oceans of tears whenever, and wherever necessary- too bad we have
to do it so often but after all the talk is done we give terrible
swift justice to those requiring it.
When will they learn??? We will teach them as long as it takes.
Colin
I watched the highly emotive clip right through, The music really gets to
you! also does the wrongness of it all, reading the text without the
overused "Enya" dubs makes much less sense, Enya has apparently had her
music used without permission a few times with these plentiful dubs.
I see the original post as wanting to troll up support for Americas want to
punish Iraq as an easy victim.
DONT get me wrong, Terrorism is a wrongness, even America supporting IRA
terrorism after Sept 11th is clearly wrong, but even in New York fund
raising dinners for Gerry Adams (representing the IRA)are still held to this
day, why are Americans sometimes supporting Terrorism in Europe (Belfast)
and expect the world to follow??
All respect to the victims of attacks on America last year, and I really
mean that (it wasn't just Americans) but why have no real lessons been
learned?
I thought America showed commendable and remarkable restraint immediate
after Sept 11th, nearly a year later the world (The world is not
America)looks upon America as war a mongering way, supporting Terrorism in
North Ireland is not really a good idea.
Colin
isn't the Enya soundtrack one, my comments still stand though, very powerful
piece of music again probably used in the wrong context without permission,
this piece of music was used in the film "The Rock" if I remember correctly
(this time :) I just hope if America attacks Iraq (and you will be on your
own this time) it isn't with such gung ho music in the background.
Attacking Iraq will be seen in history as one of Americas biggest blunders
if they go ahead with it this time.
Once again it would be a start to American credibility if America were seen
to stop funding the IRA, even just stop Gerry Adams going into New York for
fund raising dinners would be a start with my respect against Americas so
called stance against the axis of evil (when it suits them) when it doesn't
hurt them.
Been meaning to get this of my chest for a while, I know this is not
directly flight sim related, but if others can get away with some of the
recent hundred long shite bandwidth wasting ego OT posts on here then this
post has room too.
Aaron Turner
Organization:
Colin <Se7en...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
: Once again it would be a start to American credibility if America were seen
: to stop funding the IRA,
To be fair it is NOT America funding the IRA, but a very few citizens of
that country that choose to do so.
Aaron Turner
Colin
"Aaron Turner" <ag...@york.ac.uk> wrote in message
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America still lets Gerry Adams into the USA for IRA Terrorist fund raising
dinners in New York though, bizarrely just shortly after September 11th last
year, despite pleas from our government to not let this representative of
mass murder do this, these requests from the British government were
ignored, what a kick in the teeth that was to the USA's best allies.
Diarmid Logan
If you actually read a few newspapers you would know that the
Provisional IRA has been on a ceasefire since 1997 and has even
decommissioned some of its weapons (unlike the Loyalists who continue
to terrorize the indigenous Irish Nationalist community). Remember it
is the colonial policies of the British in the north of Ireland that
made the Provisional IRA necessary in the first place. If the British
would only end their colonial regime in the Six Counties, the PIRA
would soon disappear.
Colin
"Diarmid Logan" <diarmi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Colin" <Se7en...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> > "Aaron Turner" <ag...@york.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> > > -98861.news.dfncis.de>
> > > Organization:
> > >
> > > Colin <Se7en...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > > : Once again it would be a start to American credibility if America
were
> > seen
> > > : to stop funding the IRA,
> > >
> > > To be fair it is NOT America funding the IRA, but a very few citizens
of
> > > that country that choose to do so.
> >
> > America still lets Gerry Adams into the USA for IRA Terrorist fund
raising
> > dinners in New York though, bizarrely just shortly after September 11th
last
> > year, despite pleas from our government to not let this representative
of
> > mass murder do this, these requests from the British government were
> > ignored, what a kick in the teeth that was to the USA's best allies.
>
> If you actually read a few newspapers you would know that the
> Provisional IRA has been on a ceasefire since 1997
If you would actually stop reading whets been printed in the papers you
would realise the IRA have a ceasefire every other day for years and that
Americans still fund IRA terrorism.
The bottom line is America still lets Gerry Adams into the USA for fund
raising terrorist dinners despite protests from the British Government, you
can not deny this.
Ceasefire since 1997 ... nope.
American involvement in IRA terrorism before and after this date ... Yes.
Allan Mayer
diarmi...@yahoo.com (Diarmid Logan) writes:
> If the British
>would only end their colonial regime in the Six Counties, the PIRA
>would soon disappear.
Another way to look at it, is if the UK just let the Loyalists
crush the IRA (which they could do) the IRA would be gone
too ......
Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html
"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
Replacement Tommel <
><akogk0$1kclhe$1@ID->98861.news.dfncis.de>, "Colin" wrote:
>
>If you would actually stop reading whets been printed in the papers you
>would realise the IRA have a ceasefire every other day for years and that
>Americans still fund IRA terrorism.
>
>The bottom line is America still lets Gerry Adams into the USA for fund
>raising terrorist dinners despite protests from the British Government, you
>can not deny this.
>
And Prince Charles hung around Bin Laden's family a lot (they were frequent
contributors to one of HRH Prince's trust funds). In fact, if not for the
involvement of Clinton and Mitchell, there probably wouldn't have been a Good
Friday agreement - it's one of the FEW things Clinton managed to do right when
he was President.
>Ceasefire since 1997 ... nope.
>
>American involvement in IRA terrorism before and after this date ... Yes.
>
>
If you would read the newspapers you would realise that the largest contributer
of weapons to the IRA (we won't mention the UVF ijits for now) is in fact Libya.
In fact the largest cache of IRA weapons ever seized was a Libyan trawler -
seems as if ol' Khadaffi was still a little upset because the British were angry
about the Libyans killing a female bobby a few years back.
-Tom
"Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil." - Law School advice
Replace Tomel <
<20020830153939...@mb-ce.aol.com>, azzz...@aol.com wrote:
>
>In article <6d220a72.02083...@posting.google.com>,
>diarmi...@yahoo.com (Diarmid Logan) writes:
>
>> If the British
>>would only end their colonial regime in the Six Counties, the PIRA
>>would soon disappear.
>
>
>Another way to look at it, is if the UK just let the Loyalists
>crush the IRA (which they could do) the IRA would be gone
>too ......
>
That's funny.
I asked one of my buddies, a Royal Marine, why the press rarely talked about the
Loyalist gangs. His reply was that they were so goddamn inept that they weren't
even worth talking about and that a pack of blue haired ladies could take them
on and beat them.
There's no easy solution to the troubles - 95% of the folks there just want to
live in peace, it's the other 5% that screw it up for everyone else... Parnell
had it right - Ireland for the Irish - both Catholic and Protestant.
Colin
me and I had to release somehow, I have some great American friends that may
or may not be reading this, the last thing I want to do is offend them.
The fact stands that America refused requests shortly after Sept 11th last
year from the British Government to let Gerry Adams into New York for fund
raising dinners, I wish they had just complied with this request, it's not
really a big thing to ask especially in light of what so recently happened
in that very city prior to Adam's visits.
The whole terrorism thing is a complex can of worms though, not just IRA
terrorism but global.
Shit happens I guess, and we wont solve these problems on a flight sim
newsgroup.
Scharmers
GUINNESS IS YUMMY!!!!!
--scharmers
Vern Pellerin
to defend it. Verbally as well as militarily.
2) If we had more flight sims to talk about, there would probably be less
political debate right now.
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Bulgers boys met just beyond the 12 mile limit, off Massachusetts, and
then sailed across the N Atl, to within 6 miles of the coast of Ireland,
before the shipment was intercepted by the Brits?
How were Irish American (I am one, Catholic too,) Organized Crime
Figures (Bulgers been on the 10 most wanted for more than 5 years)
thwarted from profiting by being intermediaries between Libya and the
Provos?
The US Government told the Brits about it.
Just like the Brits know all the principle parties in Noraid, the NY
operation that collects 90% of the funds that go to the Provos.
It aint the US, Colin, its a small, misguided segment of the citizenry.
Tony Blair isn't too upset about Adams...
I wonder why?
DrOk
Messenger
The others are streaming video and should be fine with dial-up connections.
Plan to be there for some time....
Regards
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Gavin Bennett
terrorist groups are glorified gangsters, state quite simply that murder,
armed robbery and drug dealing is a crime, and arrest em.
I like that idea.
No one's fighting for liberation. No one is fighting for colonialism.
Everyone is fighting for a bit of the very rich Irish drug trade. End. Of.
Story. And all it needs is some romantic mush headed drunks in the US to
stop fucking sending these arseholes money.
Gavin
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Dusty Rhodes
subject, Gavin gets my nod of belief.
Dusty Rhodes
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Dr Oddness Killtroll
Agreed. However, its the remnants of the Irish mush heads that are the
fire, even if the Noraid idiots (and again, I'm an Irish-Am Catholic)
are supplying the fuel.
Ultimately, the Irish problem (question, in the old days) is just that,
and Irish one. The Provos are far from the power and influence hey once
had. Its now the work of the Irish people to put this to rest.
That being said, I agree that the Noraid contributors are mush heads
(but maybe not drunks...)
DrOk
Allan Mayer
<araquael@die//spam//.sympatico.ca> writes:
>the whole kith and kaboodle of
>terrorist groups are glorified gangsters, state quite simply that murder,
>armed robbery and drug dealing is a crime, and arrest em.
>
>I like that idea.
Even further...
All the terrorists around the world, and all the crime, makes them
just that, common crimminals, all of them. (Bin Laden, etc.)
And this has been a trait of mankind for ages, and is just
more visable today becasue of rapid communication.
Not only that, it's just that as technology gets better, they use it.
But the basic end result is only one of several endings...
Always violence, and (if attainable) personal gain for the
perpetraitors. Alwyas innocent people killed, Always govt.
response.
Look at the past two thousand years of world history..........
Gavin Bennett
If they ever catch Bin Laden, the obvious thing to do would be a big show
trial, followed by execution. NAAAAAAH. Sod that. The main complaint
against him is in NYC. So you drag him into the skankiest, smallest
criminal court in the jurisdiction. You put him as case #11 of the morning,
between the junkie mugger and the rapist. You give him a 15 minute hearing,
then dump him in a holding jail for, oh, 2-3 years. You give him a court
appointed lawyer. Give him a bog standard trial. Then, because he is a
foreign citizen, you say, well we can't execute you (or find some very
mundane excuse). And then give him life without parole; have him break
rocks or work in the laundry. No dying for a cause, no epic final gestures,
no nothing. A straighforward processing through a western judicial system;
thank you, god bless, and fuck off.
Terrorists are criminals. Murder is murder. Theft is theft, extortion is
extortion.
Gavin
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Maddog
>
> http://www.americatriumphant.com/
Thanks for the link. A very good site.
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You seem to think that America is pushing for "punishing" Iraq. You are
wrong. America's fight is directed at Sadaam Hussein, not his country. Once
he is dead, the war ends.
I have the rare privelege of working with a guy who is from Iraq. He left
the same year the Gulf War started. His family is still there. He has told
us guys at work some pretty scary tales. The guy is an animal, and not
exactly sane.
You should probably realize that the US IS going to go into Iraq, whether
anyone else in the world cares or not. You are either with us, or against
us.
Lately, I find that I am really tending to dislike anyone from outside of
the US. Right after 9/11 all the other countries were showing sympathy for
us, stating that they were "there" for us. A few months later, half of them
say they can "identify" with why the terrorists did what they did. Strange
that just a year after the worst terrorist attack in the history of the
world, many of our so-called friends choose not to stand with us. So many
times has our country come to the aid of our brother nations. The reason we
were attacked on 9/11 is that we came to the aid of the Kuwaitis. Not
because of US policies, but because US troops violated Saudi holy ground.
The rest of the world can go f*ck itself.
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to hear that this Gerry Adams has been able to draw money from some
sympathizers here. I understand your criticism just as I'm sure you'll
understand my concern over terrorist who are British citizens targeting the
US of whom only some are being "tortured" in Cuba.
As I understand it, the cause of the IRA cooks down to the wealthier
Protestant land owners controlling the government while the poorer Catholics
are demanding better representation. That "One man, One vote" thing the
Catholics had been going on about. British troops were inserted to
suppress the violence using the legitimate reasoning of rule and order but
the IRA sees it as a backing of the Protestant control. This all should
sound familiar; the names have changed but the scenario is the same....
I'm very concerned with those who appear to have set aside the horrendous
loss of life on 9-11 and the potential to enter complacency on the issue. I
know you vehemently see terrorism as wrongness but many of us here are
taking it even more seriously and believe we're in for more terrorism. We
are feeling the need to strike before we get struck again but there are some
here who are taking your position against this policy. Not nearly as
numerous as what you have there though.
As for me trolling for support for a war against Iraq, that wasn't actually
my purpose. The anniversary of the most successful terrorist attack against
the US is upon us. The people who died are being forgotten here, although
not nearly so much as it appears they are abroad. Also, I pray there will be
no war as my son will likely be pulled into it. One way to avoid that war
would be if the UN would make good on the Gulf war contingencies agreed
upon.
I believe you when you say the US will have to go it alone. I don't think
Tony Blair can convince your population of a dire need to enforce the
conditions of the UN's probation on Saddam Hussein regarding the
inspections. Plainly Iraq has defied the UN on this matter and the
persistent violations regarding the no-fly zone is just another example of
his intentions. These issues are enough that the United Nations should
enforce the conditions of the 1991 resolutions rather than look away.
Please consider what happened in Europe when Hitler defied the Treaty of
Versailles. The best argument we have against a US invasion of Iraq is that
Hitler clearly was not only arming Germany for aggression but was actively
conquering nations. Iraq had only conquered Kuwait and was heading for
Saudi Arabia. He doesn't appear to have the armament, man power or morale
to do this now. Given his track record, could he be considered a candidate
to use other means? All he has to do is allow the UN inspectors back in and
George W will have to recant. You and I will both be happy.
As for the US making its biggest historical blunder: Only after the actual
or imminent attacks by Hitler's Third Reich were the nations willing to
enter a united confrontation. This was a mistake (great BLUNDER) that cost
millions of lives. I know all of this is hindsight but now that the US is
considering being proactive in a situation that smells similar, we are being
criticized.
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PAPADOC
fucker...I do realize that some of those countries have indeed gone
toe to toe with us against the towel headed murdering scum. We should
never forget that Britain, Australia, notably put boots on the ground
right next to ours just as soon as we asked them to.
For reference had we responded as quickly in WW2 we would have been
fighting at Dunkirk. Or maybe backing up Polish Army Cav Horse
Charges. I pretty much agree that many nations can kiss my ass but
some of them we gratefully thank for helping to protect those we love.
PAPA DOC
>The rest of the world can go f*ck itself.
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001
www.papadoc.net
Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the
10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in
more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."
squibb
arrest him?
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Colin
> If Mr. Adams is a criminal, than why doesn't your righteous government
> arrest him?
If only it were that easy, why don't you arrest Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein
? Or more to my point the Gangster (terrorist sympathisers) in the USA that
Gerry Adams deals with, the circumstances are just the same.
Fact remains the USA still refused British Government requests to not let
Gerry Adams into New York for fund raising dinners shortly after September
11th last year, despite pleas from the British (That were the first to help
you guys) to not let him do this.
I'm sickened by Terrorism, one of the worst attacks of Terrorism happened in
America last year, I was sickened to my very soul when I saw the news that
day, I still am, but America isn't so innocent and needs to get it's own
house in order before dictating how other nations should feel about
terrorism, many of those nations have been feeling actual terrorism on
native soil for decades, many times with American funded terrorism.
Very3
allows us to experience a great tragedy, yet given 6 months later we get over
it and actually now are getting to the point some dont see why saddam should
be taken out. I mean, after 9/11, americans still dont get it. we expect that
from europeans who always seem to have a inferiority complex when it comes to
the USA but from americans? it will cost lives someday.
and then the crying starts again.
Diarmid Logan
> In article <6d220a72.02083...@posting.google.com>,
> diarmi...@yahoo.com (Diarmid Logan) writes:
>
> > If the British
> >would only end their colonial regime in the Six Counties, the PIRA
> >would soon disappear.
>
>
> Another way to look at it, is if the UK just let the Loyalists
> crush the IRA (which they could do) the IRA would be gone
> too ......
Actually the British have collaborated with the Loyalists in their
desire to kill Catholics, even in killing Catholics who were not in
the Provisional IRA.
squibb
name, that he would be noticed and arrested. If Mr. Adams (isn't/wasn't he
an MP?) was hiding in a cave and traveling by horse, finding him would be a
little more difficult. I didn't know that Ireland was as remote and
undeveloped as Afghanistan, or that Adams is the dictator of a fascist,
police state. I've seem Adams on TV news with people I thought were
representatives of the UK. I guess I was wrong about that.
Why would anyone need a visa to enter the USA? Fly to Mexico/Canada, and
just walk in. Millions have. Unfortunately, the immigration services in
the USA is still a joke.
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PAPADOC
on the way to visit the grandchildren. Ooh boy my mom got searched 2
times on the way from Las Vegas wanded, shoes off, bag dumped out,
fucking amazing.
We have alot of Posers fighting the war stateside.
PAPA DOC
>Why would anyone need a visa to enter the USA? Fly to Mexico/Canada, and
>just walk in. Millions have. Unfortunately, the immigration services in
>the USA is still a joke.
>
>
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Vern Pellerin
>Yea but watch out if you are a 71 year old Grandma with a sick husband
>on the way to visit the grandchildren. Ooh boy my mom got searched 2
>times on the way from Las Vegas wanded, shoes off, bag dumped out,
>fucking amazing.
>
>We have alot of Posers fighting the war stateside.
>
>PAPA DOC
In the airport, was she praying 5 times a day while facing Mecca?
Tell mom to put the Koran away before going though the security checkpoint.
:-)
PAPADOC
parents. But hey at least it gives those morons at Airport Security
the feeling that they are doing somethng other than looking stupid.
Messenger
that of his supporters, he has taken the path of most resistance.
Everything I've seen regarding his demeanor and composure causes me to
respect him more. He is by far the most credible and reasonable spokesman
regarding the war on terrorism. Far, far better than GW imho. If Blair
concedes that no action should come then I will go along with it. For now,
he says to go slowly and that seems reasonable. To forget the 1991 Gulf war
concessions is indefensible.
His latest statement in the news was that the European sentiment of taking
action against Saddam Hussein is just plain anti-Americanism. He stated
that his convictions aren't based on some blind loyalty to the US (I'm sure
he has heard no end of that) and that he would never concede to actions
against Hussein for such a reason. I believe him because politically it
would behoove him to join the cacophony of dissension.
If Tony Blair represents the majority opinion of Great Britain's
Commonwealth then the US is not alone -- but I'm not seeing it here.
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Colin
>
> Tony Blair isn't too upset about Adams...
>
> I wonder why?
I'll tell you why, he is a puppet, all politicians and world leaders are
puppets, Bush is a puppet ... a muppet too, a pure clown on the world stage.
Tony Blair is a puppet, I know I'm pissed of with terrorism of all kinds, if
I had money to throw around I'd give it to charity or something worthwhile,
nothing can change the fact some ignorant Americans think misguided beliefs
about Ireland are worth spending dollars on, they don't see the end
result...often innocent children and bystanders guts blown against a wall.
When I was made redundant from the Oil rig fabrication industry in Scotland
a couple of years ago I had the chance to work in the Harlem and Wolve yard
in Belfast where the Titanic was built, this should have been an easy
migration with my considerable fabrication and welding skills, when I heard
from some of my m8's about story's about waking up to find a bullet under
your pillow (honestly) I decided staying in Scotland was a better idea.
One thing became clear from talking to my ex Oil yard work mates, some Irish
are as bad as Bin Laden, America used to support Bin Laden, America still
supports IRA ... Go Figure.
satujinn
> > If Mr. Adams is a criminal, than why doesn't your righteous government
> > arrest him?
>
> If only it were that easy, why don't you arrest Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein
> ? Or more to my point the Gangster (terrorist sympathisers) in the USA that
> Gerry Adams deals with, the circumstances are just the same.
Osama doesn't hold fund raisers in the UK. If he did, we'd have him
in custody. It's not even close to the same thing.
Colin, Why is the British government in Ireland at all?
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
> >
> > Tony Blair isn't too upset about Adams...
> >
> > I wonder why?
>
> I'll tell you why, he is a puppet, all politicians and world leaders are
> puppets, Bush is a puppet ... a muppet too, a pure clown on the world stage.
<smirk>
Ya, Ok. He doesnt agree with you (apparently not pink enuf...) so he, and the
whole ilk are puppets.
Huh?
Theres a medical-technical term for this sort of self delusion. Get used to
living in a world where your via arent paramount.
> Tony Blair is a puppet, I know I'm pissed of with terrorism of all kinds, if
> I had money to throw around I'd give it to charity or something worthwhile,
> nothing can change the fact some ignorant Americans think misguided beliefs
> about Ireland are worth spending dollars on, they don't see the end
> result...often innocent children and bystanders guts blown against a wall.
Get over Erie. Everyone else is. Are you a prod from Belfast? I mean, whats your
gripe? This seems personal, for you. Or a very bad troll...
>
> When I was made redundant from the Oil rig fabrication industry in Scotland
> a couple of years ago I had the chance to work in the Harlem and Wolve yard
> in Belfast where the Titanic was built, this should have been an easy
> migration with my considerable fabrication and welding skills, when I heard
> from some of my m8's about story's about waking up to find a bullet under
> your pillow (honestly) I decided staying in Scotland was a better idea.
Well, Its almost 'turn about is fair play', in that it was teribly tough for a
Catholic to get a job there from 1880 tp the 1970's.
But thats an observation, and not a justification. It sucked for my ancestors,
and it may have sucked for you, had you worked there.
> One thing became clear from talking to my ex Oil yard work mates, some Irish
> are as bad as Bin Laden, America used to support Bin Laden, America still
> supports IRA ... Go Figure.
Ya. Go ahead.
Here is some sage advise. "Dont beleive everthing people tell you".
Bye.
DrOk
Messenger
leaders that have the character to stand up against the world's tyrannical
governments and terrorist as "puppet", "muppet" and "clown". Take your
place next to the extremist because I'm certain they are in agreement with
you about Blair and Bush as well as all of America and Israel. If you are
really "pissed off by terrorism of all kinds" then support those who are
fighting it instead of casting insults along side those who are doing it.
Among other things, you are ignorant regarding this Gerry Adams you so hate.
That became evident when you compared apprehending him to the illusiveness
of Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Although he has been arrested twice and
jailed for several years by your government he never came to trial. Besides
making very public appearances he was a member of the British Parliament
from 1972 - 1982 and I see nowhere that he has gone into hiding. Most
Americans do not even know who he is let alone understand or believe the
suspicions that follow him. Adams has always denied links to the IRA and
there is no proof of it. If it is true then you can criticize your own
government for covering it up and leave mine out of your diatribe. Your
accusation that America supports the IRA is just a lie to buoy your
anti-Americanism and pathological jealousy.
Comparing Adams to Laden and Hussein is as asinine as connecting the back
stabbing association of Bin Laden to the US help in ousting communism as
proof of US hypocrisy. If you think you have presented a valid argument
that America is hypocritical in its war on terrorism with this analogy then
"Go Figure" yourself.
It's too bad you and your m8s don't spend your time lambasting the enemies
of democracy rather than it's champions. America has always paid a lethal
price for freedom home and abroad and your affronts only confirms your
character and not that of America.
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Colin
"Dr Oddness Killtroll" <an...@annex.annex> wrote in message
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>
>
> Colin wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Tony Blair isn't too upset about Adams...
> > >
> > > I wonder why?
> >
> > I'll tell you why, he is a puppet, all politicians and world leaders are
> > puppets, Bush is a puppet ... a muppet too, a pure clown on the world
stage.
>
> <smirk>
>
> Ya, Ok. He doesnt agree with you (apparently not pink enuf...) so he, and
the
> whole ilk are puppets.
>
> Huh?
>
> Theres a medical-technical term for this sort of self delusion. Get used
to
> living in a world where your via arent paramount.
<snipped the rest of his shite>
Oh, Fuck Off with your self centred ill considered time wasting elaborate
replies and twattish post dissections, I want to get this straight, I'm not
anti American, American government makes wrong decisions all the time, the
rest of the world has to live with that and deal with it.
That is not right.
America is still a great country, I have great American friends, America
makes massive goofs with policies in other countries (IRA) so does our
country, we are far from perfect, but America pisses me off because so
called foreign policy from America such as forthcoming actions against Iraq
will have massive knock on effects worldwide, I have every right to be
concerned.
You and the other guy that responded to my post can wibble away as much as
you like, I'd hazard a guess both of you are armchair generals with no real
military experience apart from Falcon 4 and a few other games, Yup I can
guess you guys are computer sim generals with no real military experience.
especially none in real life Belfast. and you would run a mile if you
thought you were going to Iraq.
Once you have seen a body splattered against a wall by a bomb you will think
differently, the fact this person was killed by American sponsored IRA still
makes me sick, I cant help that.
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
>
>
> Oh, Fuck Off with your self centred ill considered time wasting elaborate
> replies and twattish post dissections,
Leave it to the Irish to get all 'holier than thou, and 'Ive been
injured more' and all that. I quite familiar with the tendency, as I'm
Irish too.
I almost got mad at you...
But then you said 'twattish'
And I realized your just speaking through the intoxication of feigned
victim hood.
> I want to get this straight, I'm not
> anti American, American government makes wrong decisions all the time, the
> rest of the world has to live with that and deal with it.
In your judgment( such as it is) As far as your views are concerned. ZI
say, Ya, no kidding. Thats what wrong with you. You think that
artificial separation of US citizens from policy actually means
something.
It doesn't.
Its a meaningless distinction, that 'I like Americans, just not their
govt-policy-Army-fillintheblank' stuff.
And, again, the problem of the Provos is an Irish one. Singularly. It
may have been instigated by the brits centuries ago, but, since '69, its
just been about hate between Irishmen.
>
> That is not right.
>
???
Umm, Boo Hoo?
Ya. It is right. You're quite dramatic.
Get over yourself.
> America is still a great country, I have great American friends, America
> makes massive goofs with policies in other countries (IRA) so does our
> country, we are far from perfect, but America pisses me off because so
> called foreign policy from America such as forthcoming actions against Iraq
> will have massive knock on effects worldwide, I have every right to be
> concerned.
Positive knock on effects, you snipe. And, 18 months after the fact,
when some semblance of reason seems to be descending upon the ME, I
challenge you to poke your head out, and say something like "wow, turned
out kinda different than I expected".
But, you wont.
>
> You and the other guy that responded to my post can wibble away as much as
> you like, I'd hazard a guess both of you are armchair generals with no real
> military experience apart from Falcon 4 and a few other games, Yup I can
> guess you guys are computer sim generals with no real military experience.
I spent 13 years in the US Army.
> especially none in real life Belfast. and you would run a mile if you
> thought you were going to Iraq.
>
So, you've been shot at?
Let me give you some advice; when you get shot at, run.
It's doctrine.
Getting shot hurts.
A lot.
After a while.
At first it feels like you got hit with a baseball bat. And the area
goes all numb.
Least thats the way it happened to me.
Its pretty scary.
> Once you have seen a body splattered against a wall by a bomb you will think
> differently, the fact this person was killed by American sponsored IRA still
> makes me sick, I cant help that.
Ya, whatever. Ya almost got me going there. But, I realized your not
worthy. I hold a coin, and I always will. You likely have no idea what
that means.
The IRA is your problem.
I hope you stay sick. It'll be good for ya.
At least it might help your acting...
Meanwhile, we'll separate saddam, and his power clique, from control, in
Iraq, and help them formulate something new. Who knows, maybe the kurds
will get their won state.
You can just stay at home and smoke dope.
DrOk
Messenger
intended to remember the murder of 3,010 innocent people is a matter of
record ("When did this start becoming an American newsgroup?"). You then
used the stolen thread for your accusations and insults against the US and
its citizens. Now you're reaping replies that you don't like, telling us to
"Fuck Off".
You've made the sporadic violence in Northern Ireland paramount to the
massive loss of life on September 11th 2001 beyond reason in your mind
because it's not primarly American deaths. I realize you can't get the
vision of "a body splattered against a wall" out of your head and blaming
the US for it must somehow help you cope but there are legitimate ways to
help yourself rationalize why it's happening and who is truly responsible.
You apparently cannot fathom the magnitude of carnage that occurred in one
day or the copious despair that fell upon all of us nor the images of
workers sorting through wreckage to uncover thousands of dismembered bodies.
A decent human being wouldn't be using this thread to wag a self
righteous finger in America's face. I doubt anyone can help you get off
your obsession for one minute to realize that you are not the center of the
universe and other people may have grief on a scale greater than your own.
So tell us more about this self centered ill we have....
The only reason I respond to you at all is because it is loathsome to watch
an allied country's citizen rally animosity against the US in the wake of
the worst injustice we've known. My respite is to say what I think of it
and now that you've made it personal that I hold an opinion of you just a
few notches off mohammed atta.
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"Weaver" <dr...@forgot.com> wrote in message
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> lol
>
> you must have missed my warning about Colin
>
> carry on :)
At least I don't grovel like you do Weaver, that's all your posts I have
ever read amount to, just grovelling little tacked on snippets to try and
fan the flames or appease your newsgroup heroes.
If you have a problem with me, mail me direct or stay out of it.
Colin
I'm wasting my time with you and others like you, that think you are news
group celebrity's.
PS, you just posted out of your arse again, but Weaver licked it clean, so I
guess it's OK now :))
Colin
> That you hijacked the original thread (Real Americans) which initially
> intended to remember the murder of 3,010 innocent people is a matter of
> record ("When did this start becoming an American newsgroup?"). You then
> used the stolen thread for your accusations and insults against the US and
> its citizens. Now you're reaping replies that you don't like, telling us
to
> "Fuck Off".
Read my reply's once more, first understand my anger, then understand my
comments I have written about not being Anti American, try and digest that.
Some American foreign policy pisses me off, the world is not a perfect
place, shit happens.
I am not scared to admit I cried when I learned of the disaster that took
place in America just over a year ago, it still sickens me, not only
Americans were killed there, you have no idea how I and my friends at work
showed respect when asked shortly after the disaster and also on 11/09/02
this year, I am not your scapegoat, but at the same time I have had built up
feelings about American foreign policy hypocrisy that needed to be vented,
this newsgroup in particular has always seemed to be fair game for American
propaganda. Be it right or wrong, some Americans on here have tried to
justify IRA Terrorism or to try to explain it ( without having any first
hand experience of it ) .....I'm numb by this, Whatever. I'm not going to
plod away with people who know nothing about the true troubles in Ireland.
Shit happens global now, and I wish the world were a better place.
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Tantrums in the morning...
I love it...
> At least I don't grovel like you do Weaver, that's all your posts I have
> ever read amount to, just grovelling little tacked on snippets to try and
> fan the flames or appease your newsgroup heroes.
No. You're wrong. The difference between Weaves and yourself is that he's
mature, civilized, and understands the world in its complextity. You, on the
otherhand, are self abosrobed, smitten with your ouw passionate
misunderstandings, simplifications, and self serving misrepresentaions of the
truth.
I'm not his hero, and he's not mine.
We're grown ups.
You, on the other hand are a yo-yo.
And and angry little fool.
Please post ~~something~~ which disproves this (obviously wide spread)
impression.
> If you have a problem with me, mail me direct or stay out of it.
Consider the fact that he was posting to me, in response to a comment, made
to him, while responding to your hystreical bile. I'm sure he is not proud of
your self indulgent example of what being a Briton is. I dont think he feels
a need to communicate with you.
You're a child.
C'mon back if you want further abuse. You've earned it.
Love and Kisses.
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
> I'm wasting my time with you and others like you, that think you are news
> group celebrity's.
What the fuckj is wrong with you, you toddler. This is a forum whjere folks
assume avatars, and engage in lively, spiritred debates about whatever the fuck
they want. If you are notmup to it, move on. But dont display jealousy, or some
warped inference that some
> PS, you just posted out of your arse again, but Weaver licked it clean, so I
> guess it's OK now :))
You're a lot of talk. And, with far too many scatalogical references for any
normal person. Do you have a shit-thing going? Whats up with all this arse
licking you seem to be so concerned about? If your gonna quit, girly, quit and
walk away. If you want to learn by the forge, stick around and play. But stop
crying 'no fair', and talking about 'rules' and such.
This is usenet.
Ease up with the ass references. It makes normal people wonder if you have a
fixation.
I'm sure you'll return, as your ego is so damaged, that this stuff mean
something to you. You're incapable of walking, and staying quiet.
So, when you'r feeling brave again, please do feel free to run into the stone
wall. Again. It's something you're apparently welll practiced at.
Bring your arse with you, so you have something to fall back on, when the fire
gets hot.
<smooch>
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
frustrations.
Somehow, I think your 'arse' plays a role in this.
Under 'extreme pressure', and all that.
Now, go cry in your coffee, about how misunderstood you are. Again. You're THAT
type, right?
Have a happyhappy, colly...
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Weaver wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:06:21 -0400, Dr Oddness Killtroll
> <an...@annex.annex> wrote:
>
> > I dont think he feels
> >a need to communicate with you.
>
> Nah I missed it annex, but you can see what I meant
> about the angry toddler now I think :)
Yes. Quite.
He's 'off'...
DrOk
Colin
> > At least I don't grovel like you do Weaver, that's all your posts I have
> > ever read amount to, just grovelling little tacked on snippets to try
and
> > fan the flames or appease your newsgroup heroes.
>
> No. You're wrong. The difference between Weaves and yourself is that he's
> mature, civilized, and understands the world in its complextity. You, on
the
> otherhand, are self abosrobed, smitten with your ouw passionate
> misunderstandings, simplifications, and self serving misrepresentaions of
the
> truth.
>
> I'm not his hero, and he's not mine.
>
> We're grown ups.
Weaver has been stalking me for some time, do a search on google, I don't
know about you, but Weaver is far from grown up.
>
> You, on the other hand are a yo-yo.
Yeah, whatever, and you are the epitome of wisdom, I really don't think so.
> And and angry little fool.
I get angry from time to time, that's human, you are making a judgment call
after reading a few of my posts, you don't know me, and I certainly wouldn't
like to get to know you, having said that I'd either kick ten shades of shit
out of you or get to like ... despite our differences.
> Please post ~~something~~ which disproves this (obviously wide spread)
> impression.
OK, that's me done with you, I personally invite you to take this debate to
our email, we are going nowhere here, perhaps you want to leave it on
Usenet? some people are semi- professional arguers on the net, often these
people have spent some time on a group and made many posts that make the
poster seem special? You seem like that kind of showboat person, you have
the right name for it.
Just you do or reply with whatever you thinks right m8, or if you get a bit
of spare time why not go sign up for front line fighting in Iraq or
wherever, alternatively try living in Belfast for a few months and
experience the ignorance USA sponsored terrorism has first hand.
Take it easy.
Colin
news
> > group celebrity's.
>
> What the fuckj is wrong with you, you toddler. This is a forum whjere
folks
> assume avatars, and engage in lively, spiritred debates about whatever the
fuck
> they want.
Is it really, I've been using this group for near 10 years :)) Avatars
indeed, you really are quite cute. I say it like is in the real world and
dont tolerate avatar nonsense ( hence my real name) dream on dude.
> If you are notmup to it, move on. But dont display jealousy, or some
>warped inference that some.
It's not that I'm bothered being up for it ( assuming that's what you meant
when you wrote "notmup to it" ) but you are right down there on my list of
priority's of things to get done, and even people to reply to on the
Internet.
Jealousy? warped inference ? what are you gibbering about now?
This argument is getting personal now Mr Dr (snigger) even my long term
stalker Weaver is siding with you, what say we take it to email or drop it?
Bottom line is....Thank god my American friends are nothing like you, You
are a very poor ambassador for your country.
Colin
>
> Somehow, I think your 'arse' plays a role in this.
>
> Under 'extreme pressure', and all that.
>
> Now, go cry in your coffee, about how misunderstood you are. Again. You're
THAT
> type, right?
>
> Have a happyhappy, colly...
>
> DrOk
Are you on drugs or a glue sniffer? I read this post of yours twice and
still don't see your point? .... "Have a happyhappy colly"...WTF? Maybe
it's as well you are a Sim General instead of the people in charge of your
country that press buttons that drop or fire bombs.
Colin
>If you think you have presented a valid argument
> that America is hypocritical in its war on terrorism with this analogy
then
> "Go Figure" yourself.
America *is* hypocritical on it's war on terrorism, that's all there is to
it.
Messenger
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Colin wrote:
> <snip>
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
Stop making promises you dont keep. If you're donr, be done.
> I personally invite you to take this debate to
> our email, we are going nowhere here, perhaps you want to leave it on
> Usenet?
I'd prefer to leave this on usenet. As I said earlier.
Do you REALLY want to take this to mail? I mean, imagine the increased
vulnerability. Klez and such.
Had you thought of that?
Hmmm.... I wonder...
> some people are semi- professional arguers on the net, often these
> people have spent some time on a group and made many posts that make the
> poster seem special?
I'm feeling bad for you now...
No one makes you feel special, huh?
Thats a sorry thing...
Here's a hint. Or two.
Never take it seriously.
Have a thesis which you can support, in depth.
Concerning the first, you do, and the second, you dont.
But, since you're leaving, thats of little consequence now...
> You seem like that kind of showboat person, you have
> the right name for it.
Ya, my moniker is somewhat over the top. But quite precise. You're a prime
example. But, since you're leaving...
> Just you do or reply with whatever you thinks right m8,
Thatks for the enabling comment. I'm certain I would not have fealt comfortable
posting, otherwise.
> or if you get a bit
> of spare time why not go sign up for front line fighting in Iraq or
> wherever,
I did already. Spent 13 years in the service. Got shot too.
How about you?
> alternatively try living in Belfast for a few months and
> experience the ignorance USA sponsored terrorism has first hand.
>
Now THATS funny. But, since you're 'done' hear, I'm sure you dont need to know
why.
>
> Take it easy.
I always do. Maybe you should take some of your own advice.
See ya again, colly...
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
> > > I'm wasting my time with you and others like you, that think you are
> news
> > > group celebrity's.
> >
> > What the fuckj is wrong with you, you toddler. This is a forum whjere
> folks
> > assume avatars, and engage in lively, spiritred debates about whatever the
> fuck
> > they want.
>
> Is it really,
Yes.
> I've been using this group for near 10 years :))
Good for you. Get your watch yet?
> Avatars
> indeed, you really are quite cute.
Now, now, I know you like me, as you keep promising to go awy, but dont. I dont
want you to misunderstand, however. This is simply platonic.
> I say it like is in the real world and
> dont tolerate avatar nonsense ( hence my real name) dream on dude.
Are you of legal drinking age yet, 'dude'? And, as far as avatars are concerned,
who are you going to be tomorrow?
> > If you are notmup to it, move on. But dont display jealousy, or some
> >warped inference that some.
>
> It's not that I'm bothered being up for it ( assuming that's what you meant
> when you wrote "notmup to it" )
'Not up to it'. My bad
> but you are right down there on my list of
> priority's of things to get done, and even people to reply to on the
> Internet.
I hope you've taken care of all the important stuff, as you've responded to me
twice, aftyer claiming you were done here. This is getting boring...
> Jealousy? warped inference ? what are you gibbering about now?
It's english. Read it over and over. The meaning may, eventually, be revealled
to you. Maybe some ginko-biloba will help...
> This argument is getting personal now Mr Dr (snigger) even my long term
> stalker Weaver is siding with you, what say we take it to email or drop it?
ROFLMAO
"Stalker"???!!!
<GGGGGG>
Ok, so, you're funny...
Or paranoid...
Or simply too lazy to be original...
You're still a simp.
And, just so you understand, in this type of discourse, its ALWAYS personal...
> Bottom line is....Thank god my American friends are nothing like you,
How would you know?
> You
> are a very poor ambassador for your country.
Stop stealing my material. You've gotta be Nos...
Now, on to your next parting comment... (just promise you'll leave after that)
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
> >
> > Somehow, I think your 'arse' plays a role in this.
> >
> > Under 'extreme pressure', and all that.
> >
> > Now, go cry in your coffee, about how misunderstood you are. Again. You're
> THAT
> > type, right?
> >
> > Have a happyhappy, colly...
> >
> > DrOk
>
> Are you on drugs or a glue sniffer?
Are they mutually exclusive? If not, why construct such a distinction?
Are you a glue sniffing drugie?
> I read this post of yours twice and
> still don't see your point?
Ya. I know. Dont blame me...
> .... "Have a happyhappy colly"...WTF?
I am goading you, silly...
> Maybe
> it's as well you are a Sim General instead of the people in charge of your
> country that press buttons that drop or fire bombs.
Losing your steam? Thats easy, when your equipted with a thimble full of water,
I suppose.
At least you didnt say 'arse' again. It brings to mind the fact, that you Brits
devined that Arts and Farces-Farts and Arses thing. Sort of undermines your
highly literate images. But then, so do your posts.
TTFN, light weight.
DrOK
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
No, its not. But dont you worry about it.
DrOK
RMoob98209
are trying to fly here....
Dr Oddness Killtroll
1. Earplugs, sincce you said 'shutup'...
2. Dont read the silly threads. I seldom read my own...
YMMV.
DrOk
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
brief outline will suffice.
PAPA DOC
Dusty Rhodes
council today regarding a resolution regarding Isreal. I don't know the
whole story as it just happened, but Isreal is protecting itself from
terrorist, yet the UN demands they pull out of Ramallah, and we don't VETO
it? That goes against what our stance on terrorism is IMHO, but I will wait
to hear more on it. I am a bit perturbed at the Bush admin in their
handling of the Isreal/Palestinian problem in that I don't believe we are
backing Isreal enough in it's fight against terrorist who are hitting them
several times a weak and wrecking havoc on their population. Can you
imagine what our response would be?
Dusty Rhodes
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Colin
"Dr Oddness Killtroll" <an...@annex.annex> wrote in message
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Yes it is, but you guys have been brainwashed with fine polished speeches,
but don't *you* worry about it, you wouldn't make an ounce of difference
when and if the push comes to the shove, newsgroup celebrities like *you*
hardly count, most of you are narrow minded quake players that occasionally
find time for F4, and even your military would probably say...NEXT!
You'll probably go banging the side of your armchair and clapping your hands
together with excitement next time the US strikes somewhere as watched on
CNN whilst scoffing hamburgers and quaffing Diet Coke ...OH Armchair
military expert, have an orgasm the next time a US bomb explodes somewhere,
I'm sure you will feel much better and content as an American after more
innocents are killed.....TWAT.
What a sheltered life you have led.
Colin
"Dr Oddness Killtroll" <an...@annex.annex> wrote in message
>
>
> Colin wrote:
>
> > > > I'm wasting my time with you and others like you, that think you are
> > news
> > > > group celebrity's.
> > >
> > > What the fuckj is wrong with you, you toddler. This is a forum whjere
> > folks
> > > assume avatars, and engage in lively, spiritred debates about whatever
the
> > fuck
> > > they want.
> >
> > Is it really,
>
> Yes.
>
> > I've been using this group for near 10 years :))
>
> Good for you. Get your watch yet?
>
> > Avatars
> > indeed, you really are quite cute.
>
> Now, now, I know you like me, as you keep promising to go awy, but dont. I
dont
> want you to misunderstand, however. This is simply platonic.
OK Lets clear this up, I said I was done with you, I never said I was going
away ( or awy as you put it ) presumably this is some sort of trailer trash
american lingo? no I'm not going awy, I have been using this group off and
on for a long time, I think the group has went to the dogs in recent times,
largely because of twats like you and Papa Doc that you and Weaver share
grovelling rights about.
I'm dynamic, I'll please myself as and when I'll reply to this group that
wankers like you try to control.
You are a twat, it might be a while before I can find time to respond to you
again, if I ever do.
PAPADOC
anything without our consent....and our armies. Its a feel good
mechanism for nations and politicians like Gore and Clinton that
allows them to check off the box that says they are doing something
about whatever the issue of the week is. Its a poser
orginization...run by posers for posers.
The only problem is that these people we are fighting are not posers.
They are crazed fanatics who understand that when you fight posers you
get in their face right off and wait for them to back down. Clinton
did when the WTC was attacked in 93 and again he backed down in 95
when again those towel headed murderers attacked us in Ok.
We are in a fight for our lives..I know its hard to see this since we
havent been deprived of much yet, except security. But make no mistake
these people are quite intent on killing us and all of our
familes...the time for posing is done. All this time we thought that
just posing as the strongest nation in the world would actually deter
them. But it wont work....all those lofty words and terrible looks
will now have to be backed up. All those checks our mouths were
writing have to be paid. Are we up to it.
I have no doubt that our service men and women will fight bravely and
win every battle that they come against. But you have to wonder after
hearing the nonsense going on in the Democratic party whether they
will get sold out from behind. The democrats backed away from the two
previous attacks on our soil because they didnt want to face the truth
of the mountain we must climb to win. Now when someone (Bush) steps up
to fight the fight they were afraid of fighting now all they have left
is to carp from behind. The Democrats argue that Bush is pushing this
because of the Election....I would reverse their logic on them. To the
Democrats the election is so important that they would take a chance
on Saddam attacking us rather than lose the focus they were hoping
for.
Israel is our ally in this fight...much more than is obvious. They and
Britain might be the only two powerful allies we have but thats
enough. We wont let Israel die...and Saddam knows that.
PAPA DOC
Colin
"Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3d91017a...@news.west.cox.net...
> brief outline will suffice.
>
> PAPA DOC
Wake up and smell the coffee, America supporting the IRA is hypocritical of
your great country, America supports terrorism in other country's too and I
bet you guys wished you had not supported Bin Laden at one point.
American foreign policy has always suited Americas self interests, just as
the forthcoming attacks against Iraq will, lots of oil reserves with control
of Iraq, nice move Yanks, you are helping make a fairly stable world very
unsteady.
Lots of people global are pissed off with what you guys do in other
countries, you have to understand this, last year or so you had a spy plane
flying up and down the Chinese coast (would you tolerate the Chinese doing
this to your coast?) planes bumped and a Chinese fighter pilot was killed,
your guys got home OK, your guys shouldn't have even been there IMHO, you
were just baiting them ...I could go on.
I'm amazed how you guys trust your politicians and worship Bushes every
word, I'm from the UK and Tony Blair is his Poodle, the majority of UK
people are against what you Yanks want to do in Iraq, we know it's about oil
more than anything else, most of us Brits realise Blair is wrong to be
Bushes Poodle, Blair will have his poodle little arse kicked next election
and he knows it, no Iron Lady resolve like Maggie Thatcher here (Feck her as
well, but at least she knew what was right and wrong) Blair will be seen as
a whimpering puppet to the USA, that will be his failing legacy.
Bottom line ... America *is* hypocritical on it's war on terrorism.
PAPADOC
IRA but thats a very different kettle of fish. And even these factions
are backing away from the terrorists. Also to compare the IRA with the
Al Queda is ridiculous beyond compare....
>
>Wake up and smell the coffee, America supporting the IRA is hypocritical of
>your great country, America supports terrorism in other country's too and I
>bet you guys wished you had not supported Bin Laden at one point.
Nope fighting the Soviets was a great idea. That we misread Bin Laden
isnt such a big deal...its an unknowable proposition....some of the
others that we supported did indeed turn out to be men of honor who
remembered their debts. That Bin Laden is a snake motherfucker is just
the way life is sometimes.
>American foreign policy has always suited Americas self interests, just as
>the forthcoming attacks against Iraq will, lots of oil reserves with control
>of Iraq, nice move Yanks, you are helping make a fairly stable world very
>unsteady.
Enlightened self interest guides everything we do. The reason Europe
is such a sad sack of shit is because they will never understand that
basic fact. But that doesnt answer two of your most incredible
statements.....incredibly stupid.
1. We need the oil reserves...muahahaha. I dont know if you have taken
a look at the price of oil recently but its the same exact price it
was in 19 fucking 75. If you paid attention in economics you would
understand that supply is NOT a problem. We are currently AWASH in
oil. Who gives a fuck about Arab oil...the Europeans. Thats why you
sad sacks of shit are so willing to bear any burdern sustain any
insult from the Towel Headed Fanatics. YOU NEED THEM.
2. Fairly STABLE...???? Are you hallucinating..? Thugs for governments
throwing around WMD's isnt what I call stable. The middle east is the
biggest pile of shit on the planet...those governments are the worst
sorts of corrupt nonsense oppressing their people and threatening the
US. Well there is a new sheriff in town and he is pissed as hell.
>Lots of people global are pissed off with what you guys do in other
>countries, you have to understand this, last year or so you had a spy plane
>flying up and down the Chinese coast (would you tolerate the Chinese doing
>this to your coast?) planes bumped and a Chinese fighter pilot was killed,
>your guys got home OK, your guys shouldn't have even been there IMHO, you
>were just baiting them ...I could go o
What the rest of the world needs to understand is that the majority of
the US doesnt give a fuck about what they think. Even less so since
9/11. The rest of the world better wake up and smell the
coffee....BUSH is moderating our response.
PAPA DOC
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
> "Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand" <pleg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3d91017a...@news.west.cox.net...
> > Exactly how is America hypocritical about its war on terrorism. A
> > brief outline will suffice.
> >
> > PAPA DOC
>
> Wake up and smell the coffee, America supporting the IRA is hypocritical of
> your great country, America supports terrorism in other country's too and I
> bet you guys wished you had not supported Bin Laden at one point.
We never did, you ignorant simp. We supported the Muhajadin against USSR. I wont
bother to explain further, as fine distinctions, and actual, complex, facts,
are, evidiently, not your strong suit.
> American foreign policy has always suited Americas self interests, just as
> the forthcoming attacks against Iraq will, lots of oil reserves with control
> of Iraq, nice move Yanks, you are helping make a fairly stable world very
> unsteady.
Heheheh... Just keep sleeping late, pothead. The world will be more stable when
we're done.
Just as an amusing side-question. How do you judge the reletibe stability of the
world? I would like to hear your analysis...
> Lots of people global are pissed off with what you guys do in other
> countries,
I like that statement. Its amusing in its doctrinaire simplicity. Spoken like a
true Poli-Sci Sophmore, at some (Liberal Arts) college...
> you have to understand this, last year or so you had a spy plane
> flying up and down the Chinese coast (would you tolerate the Chinese doing
> this to your coast?) planes bumped and a Chinese fighter
Hehehehe...
How long did we tolerate USSR flying down our coasts?
Ever heard of Cuba, and Bear bombers?
> pilot was killed,
> your guys got home OK, your guys shouldn't have even been there IMHO, you
> were just baiting them ...I could go on.
Sort of like how they baited Japan, and Taiwan, by firing ballistic missle over
their country?
Or do you beleive Taiwan is "Part of Greater China" (doesnt that "greater China"
thing bother you too? And, if not, why not?), or should the folks that live in
Taiwan decide their own fate?
> I'm amazed how you guys trust your politicians and worship Bushes every
> word,
Do we, and do we?
We had an election a while ago. It was pretty close, if you care to recall. How
many Americans "trust your politicians and worship Bushes every word,"
Reasonable people would conclude that this was significantly less that HALF the
voting public. But, I'm sure this numbers stuff is too complex for you...
> I'm from the UK and Tony Blair is his Poodle,
No, he's a labour party leader with a brain. I love how you liberals turn into
Naziis when you dont get your way.
You VOTED for Tony, no?
> the majority of UK
> people are against what you Yanks want to do in Iraq,
No, thier not. You dont even know the diverse feeling of your own countrymen...
They may be concerned. We all are. We run the risk of serious casualties. But,
if Saddam decides he wants to use WMD, or allow some other idiotic Islamicist to
do the same, we (and you, and the rest of the world) may suffer horendous
casualties.
But, I'm sure you disagree. Its 'all about oil', right?
> we know it's about oil
Ooops, got ahead of myself.
You ARE a cretin, you know...
[snip rant to get to required 'arse' reference..
> his poodle little arse kicked
Be careful, someone may call PETA...
> and he knows it,
A Labour party member with a brain? I bet he wins again.
> no Iron Lady resolve like Maggie Thatcher here
True. Maggioe was Iron. Greatest PM since Winston. You agree, no?
<ggg>
> (Feck her as well, but at least she knew what was right and wrong)
Now THATS rude...
> Blair will be seen as a whimpering puppet to the USA, that will be his failing
> legacy.
No, he wont. But you may continue to hallucinate...
> Bottom line ... America *is* hypocritical on it's war on terrorism.
No, we're not, and you incapable of detemining this, as YOU are ignorant, and
ilinformed.
But, thats Ok. Its afree country (Britain, that is...)
TTFN,
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
> "Dr Oddness Killtroll" <an...@annex.annex> wrote in message
> news:3D8F2810...@annex.annex...
> >
> >
> > Colin wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > >If you think you have presented a valid argument
> > > > that America is hypocritical in its war on terrorism with this analogy
> > > then
> > > > "Go Figure" yourself.
> > >
> > > America *is* hypocritical on it's war on terrorism, that's all there is
> to
> > > it.
> >
> > No, its not. But dont you worry about it.
>
> Yes it is,
No, we're not. Sayiong its so, and then provideing a warped, misinformed,
decription of the problem in question, does not replece fact.
> but you guys have been brainwashed with fine polished speeches,
Brainwashed? Is everyone who doesnt hold your view "Brainwashed". Thier is a
clinical definition for such anti-social views.
> but don't *you* worry about it
We do. You neednt. Get back to class...
> , you wouldn't make an ounce of difference
> when and if the push comes to the shove, newsgroup celebrities like *you*
> hardly count,
Cool. I'm a celebrity in the eyes of a deluded child.
Now, I'm complete...
<teeheehee>
> most of you are narrow minded quake players that occasionally
> find time for F4, and even your military would probably say...NEXT!
Some of us served before you were born. as an aside, whats a "narrow minded
quake player".
Just wondering who you're trying to insult now...
[snip rant]
Reason tells me that I should disregard such juvenile, and ill considered
comments.
Have you ever served? If not, why do you feel the right to judge? Again, I have.
; What a sheltered life you have led.
Mwahahahahahah...
If you only knew, sprout...
<chuckle>
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Colin wrote:
> "Dr Oddness Killtroll" <an...@annex.annex> wrote in message
> news:3D8F26B5...@annex.annex...
> >
> >
> > Colin wrote:
> >
> > > > > I'm wasting my time with you and others like you, that think you are
> > > news
> > > > > group celebrity's.
> > > >
> > > > What the fuckj is wrong with you, you toddler. This is a forum whjere
> > > folks
> > > > assume avatars, and engage in lively, spiritred debates about whatever
> the
> > > fuck
> > > > they want.
> > >
> > > Is it really,
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > I've been using this group for near 10 years :))
> >
> > Good for you. Get your watch yet?
> >
> > > Avatars
> > > indeed, you really are quite cute.
> >
> > Now, now, I know you like me, as you keep promising to go awy, but dont. I
> dont
> > want you to misunderstand, however. This is simply platonic.
>
> OK Lets clear this up,
Your not capable of clearing anything up. You've abdicated reason.
> I said I was done with you,
But, then you respond to my posts. Are you Ok?
> I never said I was going
> away ( or awy as you put it )
Oh well. I spelt it wrong. Too bad spelled isnt recognized as the proper
spelling in GB. WTF is spelt?. Now we're even...
> presumably this is some sort of trailer trash
> american lingo?
Watching too many low rent US talk shows? I dont, and you shouldnt either. It
warps your sense of what a country you obviously know nothing about, is made of.
How do you feel about the French?
> no I'm not going awy,
Now, that looks Welsh...
> I have been using this group off and
> on for a long time, I think the group has went to the dogs in recent times,
> largely because of twats like you and Papa Doc that you and Weaver share
> grovelling rights about.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
Thats just SO sad...
<sobosobosob>
> I'm dynamic, I'll please myself
Does your own 'arse' cme into play here (excuse the turn of phrase, it just
seems apropriate)?
> as and when I'll reply to this group that wankers like you try to control.
I dont control who you resond to, wankerette.
Or, do I?
Hmmmm...
> You are a twat,
I like them. Its genetic. You?
In fact, you have this general tendancy to focus on bodily orifices, below the
waistline.
Why?
> it might be a while before I can find time to respond to you again, if I ever
> do.
OK. But I'm learning not to trust you, as you stated similar on numerous
occasions.
Are you playing with your dosages?
Talk to you again, simpy!!!
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
As you can see, while Colin is verbose, there aint much there. The ususal
liberal euro-trash Amer bashing. He knows how he wants to feel about himself,
and what his peers expect of him, idealogically, so he simply assumes some
version of the party line. The 'many people in the world are pssied at US...'
dogma, but no meat...
Its a sign of the times. Affluence doesnt require dilligence, and clear
thinking, anymore...
Instead, it allows folks to choose ideological foundations, as if they were
attending a buffet. And the liks of Gore, Billary (maybe biliary would be more
precise), etc, pander to them. I find it amusing, and a bit alarming, that some
staunch libs in GB would turn on Blair, so viciously, when he is showing some
good sense.
I say "Bully to the Labour Party" for choosing someone who can 'harbor
apparently contradictory views or philosphies'. Sign of an educated,
intelligent, sophisticated leader.
On another note, I hope you and the family are well.
Later,
DrOk
Phil Young
wrote:
>America does NOT support the IRA. Factions inside the US support the
>IRA but thats a very different kettle of fish. And even these factions
>are backing away from the terrorists. Also to compare the IRA with the
>Al Queda is ridiculous beyond compare....
>
So, can you or we ask that nice Mr. Bush to control his militants,
please ??
Cheers,
Phil Young
Phil Young
<an...@annex.annex> wrote:
>
>I say "Bully to the Labour Party" for choosing someone who can 'harbor
>apparently contradictory views or philosphies'. Sign of an educated,
>intelligent, sophisticated leader.
>
Firstly, congratulations on spelling it 'labour', are you sure that
you're American ??
Secondly, 'apparently' is a bit of a weasel word - would you respect
anybody who actually did harbour contradictory views in public. I'm
sure we're all hypocrites to some extent in private, but in public is
just being stupid, no ?
Thirdly, you've mention being in the (USA) services and being shot.
Can I ask where (geographically and physically), I'm just being nosey.
Cheers,
Phil Young
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Phil Young wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:15:02 -0400, Dr Oddness Killtroll
> <an...@annex.annex> wrote:
>
> >
> >I say "Bully to the Labour Party" for choosing someone who can 'harbor
> >apparently contradictory views or philosphies'. Sign of an educated,
> >intelligent, sophisticated leader.
> >
>
> Firstly, congratulations on spelling it 'labour', are you sure that
> you're American ??
Hmmmm.... Damned by faint praise. Thats what's wrong with you elitist
liberals. You make unfounded assumptions, and apply them to whole groups of
people you hardly know.
Thats called prejudice.
I am certain that I am an American, and I am certain that I will do due
diligence, regarding parties I dont agree with, to include quite a bit more
than the proper spelling of thier name. But it starts there...
Now, on to cases...
> Secondly, 'apparently' is a bit of a weasel word
Apparently is a word which suggests nothing more than whats on the surface.
Mr Blair has made other statements that I dont agree with.
> - would you respect
> anybody who actually did harbour contradictory views in public.
Actually is a weasel word. What can you say, using 'actually', that hasnt
equivalent meaning, without using same?
And, yes, I would.
For example.
1. Abortion is killing.
2. The right to choose to have an abortion is, and should be, protected by
law.
Thats the prevalent view of middle of the road Republicans in the states.
I bet you didnt know that. You'll probably tell me I am wrong. But, given
that you assume Americans cant spell labour (again, WTF is up with
'spelt'???) I submit that you need to look inward, a bit more. Its called
remonstration. Mao was a champion of that. Its all over his little Red
Book. Required reading, in my Army days...
I'm not wrong.
Go figure...
> I'm
> sure we're all hypocrites to some extent in private, but in public is
> just being stupid, no ?
Well, just because someone doesnt agree with you, does that automatically
characterize them as a hypocrite? You're on the fringe, you know. Even in
GB...
> Thirdly, you've mention being in the (USA) services and being shot.
Yes.
> Can I ask where (geographically and physically), I'm just being nosey.
Why do you ask?
In Iraq. In the lower thigh, just above the knee. 7.62 mm round.
Caught a tiny fragment in the upper right arm too. Both were in and out
wounds.
Pass your test?
Now, have you served?
> Cheers,
>
> Phil Young
Cheers AND Beers, M8
DrOK
<Abn>
Phil Young
<an...@annex.annex> wrote:
>
>
>Phil Young wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:15:02 -0400, Dr Oddness Killtroll
>> <an...@annex.annex> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I say "Bully to the Labour Party" for choosing someone who can 'harbor
>> >apparently contradictory views or philosphies'. Sign of an educated,
>> >intelligent, sophisticated leader.
>> >
>>
>> Firstly, congratulations on spelling it 'labour', are you sure that
>> you're American ??
>
>Hmmmm.... Damned by faint praise. Thats what's wrong with you elitist
>liberals. You make unfounded assumptions, and apply them to whole groups of
>people you hardly know.
>
>Thats called prejudice.
>
>I am certain that I am an American, and I am certain that I will do due
>diligence, regarding parties I dont agree with, to include quite a bit more
>than the proper spelling of thier name. But it starts there...
>
>Now, on to cases...
Most Americans would spell it 'labor' (like 'color' for instance). I
was just interested that you by either accident or design managed
'labour'. Actually they prefer 'new labour' to avoid being confused
with socialists.
>
>> Secondly, 'apparently' is a bit of a weasel word
>
>Apparently is a word which suggests nothing more than whats on the surface.
>Mr Blair has made other statements that I dont agree with.
>
>> - would you respect
>> anybody who actually did harbour contradictory views in public.
>
>Actually is a weasel word. What can you say, using 'actually', that hasnt
>equivalent meaning, without using same?
>
It's not so much a weasel word as superfluous -, I'm meaning actually
in the sense of a real example. 'Apparently' could mean for instance
if I were shown a mocked up photo of Tony Blair shagging a shetland
pony, I could say without fear of contradiction that 'Tony Blair
appears to shag Shetland ponies' - after all I wouldf have a photo to
'prove' it.
'Actually' implies a stronger sense of proof - see ing the photo, i
couldn't say 'TB actually shags shetland ponies' because, only having
a possibly mocked up photo, I couldn't say for certain.
Okay, have it your way - 'would you respect anybody who did harbour
contradictory views in public' is just as good
>And, yes, I would.
>
Hm....
>For example.
>
>1. Abortion is killing.
I'm not qualified to judge, can you try a less emotive example ?
>2. The right to choose to have an abortion is, and should be, protected by
>law.
>
Well that is something I would agree with, but not being female I
don't feel entiltled to an opinion that influences anybody else.
>Thats the prevalent view of middle of the road Republicans in the states.
>I bet you didnt know that.
No I didn't, but I'm glad to hear it. We generally only get to hear
extremist views from the USA as headlines - I think some bloke who
murdered an abortion clinic doctor is currently fighting extradition
from France (?) on the grounds of self-defence or something strange
>You'll probably tell me I am wrong.
No, why would I do that, don't be so defensive.
>But, given
>that you assume Americans cant spell labour (again, WTF is up with
>'spelt'???)
I would expect most Americans to spell 'Labour' as in the party as
'labor' since that is the accepted american spelling of the word. I
was impressed that you didn't. But then i was also impressed that you
knew where bradfors was, life is full of surprises.
>I submit that you need to look inward, a bit more. Its called
>remonstration. Mao was a champion of that. Its all over his little Red
>Book. Required reading, in my Army days...
>
>I'm not wrong.
>
>Go figure...
>
I don't follow this bit, sorry.
>> I'm
>> sure we're all hypocrites to some extent in private, but in public is
>> just being stupid, no ?
>
>Well, just because someone doesnt agree with you, does that automatically
>characterize them as a hypocrite? You're on the fringe, you know. Even in
>GB...
No, I never said otr implied that. Somebody saying one thing and
doing the other is hypocritical, it's a good working definitlion.
Agreeing with me or not is irrelevant. How did you get onto agreeing
with me or not ??
Remember you said....
>I say "Bully to the Labour Party" for choosing someone who can 'harbor
>apparently contradictory views or philosphies'. Sign of an educated,
>intelligent, sophisticated leader.
.....not me.
>
>> Thirdly, you've mention being in the (USA) services and being shot.
>
>Yes.
>
Okay.
>> Can I ask where (geographically and physically), I'm just being nosey.
>
>Why do you ask?
>
Just interested, i've never met or talked to anybody what has been
shot. I've worked with people whove been impaled though, but that was
through their own inattention, falling off a mast.
>In Iraq. In the lower thigh, just above the knee. 7.62 mm round.
>Caught a tiny fragment in the upper right arm too. Both were in and out
>wounds.
>
Okay.
>Pass your test?
What test ?
>Now, have you served?
>
No. Do I pass your test ? I don't think it's a requirement to post
here you know. My brother is in the process of serving at the moment
if that helps.
Was it 'friendly fire' ? - most of the UK servicemen killed in the
Gulf War (v1) were killed by Americans as it happens, mostly based
about 15 miles from here by coincidence (Coventry based regiment).
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Phil Young
>
>Cheers AND Beers, M8
>
>DrOK
><Abn>
<Abn> ???
You know, that was quite civil. I really don't know how to think of
you (or your Avatar) at the meoment - you're good at this
Cheers, with a half frozen face and freshly filled tooth,
Phil Young
>
Phil Young
wrote:
>spelt2 Pronunciation Key (splt)
>v.
>A past tense and a past participle of spell1.
>
>Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
>Fourth Edition
>Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
>Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Don't forget 'spilt'. or 'dealt'. or 'felt'.
Can't think of any more at the moment.
Cheers,
Phil Young
Mark Mahoney
Phil Young wrote:
[snip]
> Most Americans would spell it 'labor' (like 'color' for instance).
No.
Most Americans would speel the word that = work as labor.
Most Americans would spell the name of your more liberal polotical party (not
MOST, but 'more) Labour. Thats because most Americans are literate. Surprised?
> I
> was just interested that you by either accident or design managed
> 'labour'.
By design.
> Actually they prefer 'new labour' to avoid being confused
> with socialists.
Your choices are yours...
> >
> >> Secondly, 'apparently' is a bit of a weasel word
> >
> >Apparently is a word which suggests nothing more than whats on the surface.
> >Mr Blair has made other statements that I dont agree with.
> >
> >> - would you respect
> >> anybody who actually did harbour contradictory views in public.
> >
> >Actually is a weasel word. What can you say, using 'actually', that hasnt
> >equivalent meaning, without using same?
> >
>
> It's not so much a weasel word as superfluous -,
weasel=superfluous.
> I'm meaning actually
> in the sense of a real example. 'Apparently' could mean for instance
> if I were shown a mocked up photo of Tony Blair shagging a shetland
> pony,
Snip bit to clarify for irony oversensitive Brit.
I meant it literally. Not as a snipe.
> I could say without fear of contradiction that 'Tony Blair
> appears to shag Shetland ponies' - after all I wouldf have a photo to
> 'prove' it.
I suppose you do, and, therefore could. Are you a friend of collys? Now its
about bestiality. I bet you say 'arse' soon...
> 'Actually' implies a stronger sense of proof - see ing the photo, i
> couldn't say 'TB actually shags shetland ponies' because, only having
> a possibly mocked up photo, I couldn't say for certain.
Drop the semantic nonsense. I applaud Blair. Whats your view?
> Okay, have it your way - 'would you respect anybody who did harbour
> contradictory views in public' is just as good
Its better. Its less verbose, and therefore less suceptable to nonsensical
subjective-connotative interpretation-thingmes.
Now, whats your point?
About Iraq, terrorism, and Blair, I mean. Not the common language that separates
us.
>
> >And, yes, I would.
> >
>
> Hm....
>
> >For example.
> >
> >1. Abortion is killing.
>
> I'm not qualified to judge, can you try a less emotive example ?
No. Its a perfect example. In what way have you become disqualified from
judging? Are you a convict? Or among the disceased?
> >2. The right to choose to have an abortion is, and should be, protected by
> >law.
> >
>
> Well that is something I would agree with, but not being female I
> don't feel entiltled to an opinion that influences anybody else.
Ya, I thought so. Is there ANY case where you may be qualified to judge? The
killing aspect, I mean.
The entity IS alive, at the time of the abortion, no? Given this, how can it be
anything but. This is not a moralistic judgement, mind you, but a willingness to
be overt about the compexities of life.
It is killing.
Is it wrong?
Thats where the debate resides. And the debate revolves (simply) around the
rights of the unborn vs. the rights of the mother. Its not a clear, easily
resolved dilemma.
Since you're not American, why do you feel qualified to judge our actions?
No need to answer, but I think you understand the point I am illustrating.
The answer is that we all judge everything all the time. The question is 'what
weight should be placed on one judgement vs another'?.
The answer is: Society decides.
> >Thats the prevalent view of middle of the road Republicans in the states.
> >I bet you didnt know that.
>
> No I didn't, but I'm glad to hear it.
Glad to provide some information.
> We generally only get to hear
> extremist views from the USA as headlines
Why? Whats wrong with your choice of news sources? Its not as if they're
limited. I watched TB in the pit, last night (taped replay). He was stellar.
If you see polemicals its often because you are polemical.
> - I think some bloke who
> murdered an abortion clinic doctor is currently fighting extradition
> from France (?) on the grounds of self-defence or something strange
He's already back. He'll get his.
> >You'll probably tell me I am wrong.
>
> No, why would I do that, don't be so defensive.
I'm not being defensive. I'm being combative. I can reduce, and increase, the
gain, as I see fit. Consider it reduced, for the moment.
> >But, given
> >that you assume Americans cant spell labour (again, WTF is up with
> >'spelt'???)
>
> I would expect most Americans to spell 'Labour' as in the party as
> 'labor' since that is the accepted american spelling of the word. I
> was impressed that you didn't. But then i was also impressed that you
> knew where bradfors was, life is full of surprises.
Yes. Quite. As I said, family studied there. Plus I've been exposed to some of
your countrymen, etc.
I read all of Le'Carre works too ;)
> >I submit that you need to look inward, a bit more. Its called
> >remonstration. Mao was a champion of that. Its all over his little Red
> >Book. Required reading, in my Army days...
> >
> >I'm not wrong.
> >
> >Go figure...
> >
>
> I don't follow this bit, sorry.
I know about Mao too. And his ideology, his writings, his political foundation.
And the spellings of his countries party names. Or, I did, at least. This an
indirect reference to your surprise regarding Labour vs labor.
> >> I'm
> >> sure we're all hypocrites to some extent in private, but in public is
> >> just being stupid, no ?
> >
> >Well, just because someone doesnt agree with you, does that automatically
> >characterize them as a hypocrite? You're on the fringe, you know. Even in
> >GB...
>
> No, I never said otr implied that.
It seemed so.doing
> Somebody saying one thing and the other is hypocritical,
> it's a good working definitlion.
Agreed.
> Agreeing with me or not is irrelevant. How did you get onto agreeing
> with me or not ??
We'll see. Provide some support for your contention.
> Remember you said....
>
> >I say "Bully to the Labour Party" for choosing someone who can 'harbor
> >apparently contradictory views or philosphies'. Sign of an educated,
> >intelligent, sophisticated leader.
"Apparently conflicting ".
Its an ancient defenition for the base quality of superior intellect. You should
know this.Its not my construct. It is very old indeed.
> .....not me.
Yes. I presumed you were educated enough to be familiar with the quote, and
would not be predisposed to go on some semantic wild goose chase.
> >
> >> Thirdly, you've mention being in the (USA) services and being shot.
> >
> >Yes.
> >
>
> Okay.
>
> >> Can I ask where (geographically and physically), I'm just being nosey.
> >
> >Why do you ask?
> >
>
> Just interested, i've never met or talked to anybody what has been
> shot.
Its not a reccomend experience.
> I've worked with people whove been impaled though, but that was
> through their own inattention, falling off a mast.
Boats a large metal, wood, or plastic, holes in the water, into which one throws
his or her money.
Also, ist a good idea to avoid over imbibing while sailing, AND to avoid travel
when the weather guy says 'gale'.
That being said, my sympathies go out to your friend. I hope he, or she, ahs
recoveed.
>
> >In Iraq. In the lower thigh, just above the knee. 7.62 mm round.
> >Caught a tiny fragment in the upper right arm too. Both were in and out
> >wounds.
> >
>
> Okay.
>
> >Pass your test?
>
> What test ?
>
> >Now, have you served?
> >
> No.
Its is a reccomended exp.
> Do I pass your test ?
Excuse my acerbic tone.
> I don't think it's a requirement to post
> here you know. My brother is in the process of serving at the moment
> if that helps.
Yes, it does. Good luck to him. I appreciate family members concerns, in a case
such as this. What branch does he serve with, and is he overseas?
> Was it 'friendly fire' ?
Most assuredly not.
> - most of the UK servicemen killed in the
> Gulf War (v1) were killed by Americans as it happens, mostly based
> about 15 miles from here by coincidence (Coventry based regiment).
Yes. I am familiar with the event. Apaches misidentified some of your
(Crusader?)Infantry Fighting Vehicles as Iraqi. That was a horrid mistake. My
sympathies to your countrymens families.
>> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Phil Young
> >
> >Cheers AND Beers, M8
> >
> >DrOK
> ><Abn>
>
> <Abn> ???
Airborne. I was a Paratrooper in the 101st Abn Div (also in the 173 Abn Brgd and
the 82nd Abn Div, previouly.)
> You know, that was quite civil. I really don't know how to think of
> you (or your Avatar) at the meoment - you're good at this
Av is very civil, and does not persue combative discourse. He is an American,
and has his views, but he isnt looking to 'tangle', as I often am. I wouldnt
want you to think ill of him on my account.
> Cheers, with a half frozen face and freshly filled tooth,
Dentists are fun. But there is nothing like a toothache gone. It allows for such
niceeties as sleep and food. I hope you regain your facial function soon enough!
;)
Cheers agin, but stay away from the (notso) cold Brit beer until the novcaine
wears off!
Later Phil,
DrOK
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Ummmmmm....
> Most Americans would speel the word that = work as labor.
Most Americans speeling is not quite so atrocious.
>
> Most Americans would spell the name of your more liberal polotical party
See ablove...
DrOk
Phil Young
<Ma...@MarkDMahoney.com> wrote:
>
>
>Phil Young wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Most Americans would spell it 'labor' (like 'color' for instance).
>
>No.
>
>Most Americans would speel the word that = work as labor.
>
>Most Americans would spell the name of your more liberal polotical party (not
>MOST, but 'more) Labour. Thats because most Americans are literate. Surprised?
>
Fairly surprised. In fact I made an error in saying 'Most Americans
would...' when in fact I don't know what most americans would do.
>> I
>> was just interested that you by either accident or design managed
>> 'labour'.
>
>By design.
Okay.
>
>> Actually they prefer 'new labour' to avoid being confused
>> with socialists.
>
>Your choices are yours...
>
Their choices, I prefer to be known as a socialist to avoid being
confused with (new) labour.
>> >
>> >> Secondly, 'apparently' is a bit of a weasel word
>> >
>> >Apparently is a word which suggests nothing more than whats on the surface.
>> >Mr Blair has made other statements that I dont agree with.
>> >
>> >> - would you respect
>> >> anybody who actually did harbour contradictory views in public.
>> >
>> >Actually is a weasel word. What can you say, using 'actually', that hasnt
>> >equivalent meaning, without using same?
>> >
>>
>> It's not so much a weasel word as superfluous -,
>
>weasel=superfluous.
No, superfluous=oxymoron, weasel=implies sophistry (sort of)
>
>> I'm meaning actually
>> in the sense of a real example. 'Apparently' could mean for instance
>> if I were shown a mocked up photo of Tony Blair shagging a shetland
>> pony,
>
>Snip bit to clarify for irony oversensitive Brit.
>
>I meant it literally. Not as a snipe.
Okay then. But I'm loosing track of who I'm 'talking' to - are you
Dr.OK ?
>
>> I could say without fear of contradiction that 'Tony Blair
>> appears to shag Shetland ponies' - after all I wouldf have a photo to
>> 'prove' it.
>
>I suppose you do, and, therefore could. Are you a friend of collys? Now its
>about bestiality. I bet you say 'arse' soon...
>
arse... oh bugger.....er. no not bugger.... I mean damn it, yes that's
safer, phew.
>> 'Actually' implies a stronger sense of proof - see ing the photo, i
>> couldn't say 'TB actually shags shetland ponies' because, only having
>> a possibly mocked up photo, I couldn't say for certain.
>
>Drop the semantic nonsense. I applaud Blair. Whats your view?
>
Traitor (him not you that is). Smirking traitor in fact.
Star-fucker, no moral compass whatsever.
There was a fantastic interview shown recently, where it turns out
that Labour had accepted a 110k UKP donation from a pornographer, and
the interviewer got to go thorough the list of the man's jazz-mags.
"So, Prime Minister, were you aware of the contents of 'Fat and Forty'
?? or 'Big and Bouncy', ??? etc." The man could squirm for England,
it was hilarious.
>> Okay, have it your way - 'would you respect anybody who did harbour
>> contradictory views in public' is just as good
>
>Its better. Its less verbose, and therefore less suceptable to nonsensical
>subjective-connotative interpretation-thingmes.
>
>Now, whats your point?
>
I've lost the thread at this point, and the will to live is rapidly
fading...
>About Iraq, terrorism, and Blair, I mean. Not the common language that separates
>us.
>
>>
>> >And, yes, I would.
>> >
>>
>> Hm....
>>
>> >For example.
>> >
>> >1. Abortion is killing.
>>
>> I'm not qualified to judge, can you try a less emotive example ?
>
>No. Its a perfect example. In what way have you become disqualified from
>judging? Are you a convict? Or among the disceased?
>
Okay, you're right but the question is badly put. Abortion is
definitley killing, but so is squashing a fly, or treating drinking
water. The important question is whether abortion is killing a
person, which is what I'm not qualified to judge, not being a doctor
or a lawyer. Personally I'd say it isn't up to the point where the
foetus could survive independantly of it's mother - wherever that
point may be.
>> >2. The right to choose to have an abortion is, and should be, protected by
>> >law.
>> >
>>
>> Well that is something I would agree with, but not being female I
>> don't feel entiltled to an opinion that influences anybody else.
>
>Ya, I thought so. Is there ANY case where you may be qualified to judge? The
>killing aspect, I mean.
>
>The entity IS alive, at the time of the abortion, no? Given this, how can it be
>anything but. This is not a moralistic judgement, mind you, but a willingness to
>be overt about the compexities of life.
>
>It is killing.
>
Agreed
>Is it wrong?
>
If the foetus is a person, yes it is wrong. If the foetus isn't a
person, no it isn't wrong.
>Thats where the debate resides. And the debate revolves (simply) around the
>rights of the unborn vs. the rights of the mother. Its not a clear, easily
>resolved dilemma.
>
Clearly.
>Since you're not American, why do you feel qualified to judge our actions?
>
>No need to answer, but I think you understand the point I am illustrating.
>
I think you have to try and judge others actions on what you would be
able to justify yourself doing in the same circumstances, which is
going to be always distorted by your own experiences or perceptions.
>The answer is that we all judge everything all the time. The question is 'what
>weight should be placed on one judgement vs another'?.
>
Yes.
>The answer is: Society decides.
>
But that decision may or may not be correct. You may not even be able
to know what correct is. probably not in real-life cases
>> >Thats the prevalent view of middle of the road Republicans in the states.
>> >I bet you didnt know that.
>>
>> No I didn't, but I'm glad to hear it.
>
>Glad to provide some information.
>
Okay
>> We generally only get to hear
>> extremist views from the USA as headlines
>
>Why? Whats wrong with your choice of news sources? Its not as if they're
>limited. I watched TB in the pit, last night (taped replay). He was stellar.
>
>If you see polemicals its often because you are polemical.
Because it's the nature of the media. I know about Jeffery Dalmer
(sp) because his actions were extreme. I know nothing about his
brothers and sisters (if he had any) because they didn't do anything
media worthy.
>
>> - I think some bloke who
>> murdered an abortion clinic doctor is currently fighting extradition
>> from France (?) on the grounds of self-defence or something strange
>
>He's already back. He'll get his.
>
Good.
>> >You'll probably tell me I am wrong.
>>
>> No, why would I do that, don't be so defensive.
>
>I'm not being defensive. I'm being combative. I can reduce, and increase, the
>gain, as I see fit. Consider it reduced, for the moment.
>
Yes, combative would have been a better choice.
>> >But, given
>> >that you assume Americans cant spell labour (again, WTF is up with
>> >'spelt'???)
>>
>> I would expect most Americans to spell 'Labour' as in the party as
>> 'labor' since that is the accepted american spelling of the word. I
>> was impressed that you didn't. But then i was also impressed that you
>> knew where bradfors was, life is full of surprises.
>
>Yes. Quite. As I said, family studied there. Plus I've been exposed to some of
>your countrymen, etc.
>I read all of Le'Carre works too ;)
>
That was it, i forgot how it came up.
>> >I submit that you need to look inward, a bit more. Its called
>> >remonstration. Mao was a champion of that. Its all over his little Red
>> >Book. Required reading, in my Army days...
>> >
>> >I'm not wrong.
>> >
>> >Go figure...
>> >
>>
>> I don't follow this bit, sorry.
>
>I know about Mao too. And his ideology, his writings, his political foundation.
>And the spellings of his countries party names. Or, I did, at least. This an
>indirect reference to your surprise regarding Labour vs labor.
>
Oh I see what you're getting at.
>> >> I'm
>> >> sure we're all hypocrites to some extent in private, but in public is
>> >> just being stupid, no ?
>> >
>> >Well, just because someone doesnt agree with you, does that automatically
>> >characterize them as a hypocrite? You're on the fringe, you know. Even in
>> >GB...
>>
>> No, I never said otr implied that.
>
>It seemed so.doing
>
Somebody who disagrees with me is somebody who disagrees with me.
Somebody who disagrees with another, and then does what it is they
disagreed about is a hypocrite. If (for example) a Doctor disagrees
with smoking but smokes themselves....
>> Somebody saying one thing and the other is hypocritical,
>> it's a good working definitlion.
>
>Agreed.
>
Bingo, we've actually agreed about something
>> Agreeing with me or not is irrelevant. How did you get onto agreeing
>> with me or not ??
>
>We'll see. Provide some support for your contention.
>
>> Remember you said....
>>
>> >I say "Bully to the Labour Party" for choosing someone who can 'harbor
>> >apparently contradictory views or philosphies'. Sign of an educated,
>> >intelligent, sophisticated leader.
>
>"Apparently conflicting ".
>
>Its an ancient defenition for the base quality of superior intellect. You should
>know this.Its not my construct. It is very old indeed.
>
>> .....not me.
>
>Yes. I presumed you were educated enough to be familiar with the quote, and
>would not be predisposed to go on some semantic wild goose chase.
>
No, I'm not very well read. Sciences rather than arts background.
C.P.Snow and all that. 'I studied to be an Engineer, and now I are
one'.
>> >
>> >> Thirdly, you've mention being in the (USA) services and being shot.
>> >
>> >Yes.
>> >
>>
>> Okay.
>>
>> >> Can I ask where (geographically and physically), I'm just being nosey.
>> >
>> >Why do you ask?
>> >
>>
>> Just interested, i've never met or talked to anybody what has been
>> shot.
>
>Its not a reccomend experience.
>
I'd think not. I assume it wasn't meant as a practical joke.
>> I've worked with people whove been impaled though, but that was
>> through their own inattention, falling off a mast.
>
>Boats a large metal, wood, or plastic, holes in the water, into which one throws
>his or her money.
Bloody good fun though.
>Also, ist a good idea to avoid over imbibing while sailing
Spoilsport, what if if's 'beer o'clock ???' mind you alchoholic
gastritis and sea sickness toghether don't make a good time.
>, AND to avoid travel
>when the weather guy says 'gale'.
>
>That being said, my sympathies go out to your friend. I hope he, or she, ahs
>recoveed.
>
Other sort of mast, the big sticky things with antennas on them. It
wasn't that bad, he slipped of a ladder and fell a couple of feet onto
a lightening spike (through the thigh, it missed anything important
luckily). Of course we were all about 500ft off the ground at the
time. I hate climbing.
>>
>> >In Iraq. In the lower thigh, just above the knee. 7.62 mm round.
>> >Caught a tiny fragment in the upper right arm too. Both were in and out
>> >wounds.
>> >
>>
>> Okay.
>>
>> >Pass your test?
>>
>> What test ?
>>
>> >Now, have you served?
>> >
>> No.
>
>Its is a reccomended exp.
>
I really don't think they'd want me. The Army hated National service
for example. I can see why it would be a good experience though.
>> Do I pass your test ?
>
>Excuse my acerbic tone.
>
Don't worry about it, I'll survive.
>> I don't think it's a requirement to post
>> here you know. My brother is in the process of serving at the moment
>> if that helps.
>
>Yes, it does. Good luck to him. I appreciate family members concerns, in a case
>such as this. What branch does he serve with, and is he overseas?
British Army, (Logistics Major) currently on secondment to the
Canadian Army. Probably looking at maps of middle-east countries
beginning with 'I' and booking ferries at the moment.
>
>> Was it 'friendly fire' ?
>
>Most assuredly not.
>
Odd phrase that in any case. 'Freindly fire' indeed.
>> - most of the UK servicemen killed in the
>> Gulf War (v1) were killed by Americans as it happens, mostly based
>> about 15 miles from here by coincidence (Coventry based regiment).
>
>Yes. I am familiar with the event. Apaches misidentified some of your
>(Crusader?)Infantry Fighting Vehicles as Iraqi. That was a horrid mistake. My
>sympathies to your countrymens families.
I thought it was A-10's, it was Warrior APCs. bad business, but
'these things happen'. They'll probably happen again, I expect,
whatever precautions are taken.
>
>>> Cheers,
>
>> >>
>> >> Phil Young
>> >
>> >Cheers AND Beers, M8
>> >
>> >DrOK
>> ><Abn>
>>
>> <Abn> ???
>
>Airborne. I was a Paratrooper in the 101st Abn Div (also in the 173 Abn Brgd and
>the 82nd Abn Div, previouly.)
>
Ah, okay. I don't like heights at all.
>> You know, that was quite civil. I really don't know how to think of
>> you (or your Avatar) at the meoment - you're good at this
>
>Av is very civil, and does not persue combative discourse. He is an American,
>and has his views, but he isnt looking to 'tangle', as I often am. I wouldnt
>want you to think ill of him on my account.
>
Okay then.
>> Cheers, with a half frozen face and freshly filled tooth,
>
>Dentists are fun. But there is nothing like a toothache gone. It allows for such
>niceeties as sleep and food. I hope you regain your facial function soon enough!
>
It was just a filling broken, so it didn't hurt at all until the
Dentist got started, ironically enough. I've stopped drooling now
(well no more than normal)
>;)
>
>Cheers agin, but stay away from the (notso) cold Brit beer until the novcaine
>wears off!
>
>Later Phil,
>
>DrOK
What a good post ! I feel all warm and fuzzy now ! (that's my avatar
speaking, shut up you puff !)
You'll probably want to reply to this, but to avoid boring everybody
to death I'll not reply to that post, I'll call it a draw.
See you on another thread,
Phil Y.
Dr Oddness Killtroll
donors to the IRA???!!!
<GGG>
You're not serious, right. I mean, you actually think people believe you, do
you.
Ok, its just an ineffective troll.
Better luck next time...
DrOk
"Richard P. Grant" wrote:
> In article <3d91c9d2...@news.west.cox.net>,
> PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by (PAPADOC) wrote:
>
> > America does NOT support the IRA. Factions inside the US support the
> > IRA but thats a very different kettle of fish. And even these factions
> > are backing away from the terrorists. Also to compare the IRA with the
> > Al Queda is ridiculous beyond compare....
>
> 567 million USD last year alone must show up on a balance sheet
> *somewhere*. That's one hell of a faction. Not to mention the hardware.
>
> And I'm curious as to why you think *comparing* those two terrorist
> groups is ridiculous.
>
> --
> Richard P. Grant 0x5F9559B1 MRC Lab of Mol Biol
> rpg 'at' mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk New: http://www.rg-d.com/BioLOG/
> -- 'There's your answer, Fishbob!' --
PAPADOC
effective at killing them there would be no British people by now.
Come back and talk to me about them when they kill 3031 of you at
once. Come back to me when one of them admits that he was disappointed
that he didnt kill 250,000 of you.
That they are terrorists is not for dispute...that they compare to the
Al Queda is beyond dispute...they dont.
PAPA DOC
Dr Oddness Killtroll
Thanks for the clarification. Dont misunderstand me, I know the word is
correct. I simply will not accept this.
This is wrong. And should be changed, less we confuse murder with
scottish skirts for men, etc (kilt-kilt)
Who do I contact (presumable at OED Central Command), to demand that the
language be made somewhat more rational?
Regards,
DrOk
<act>
Colin
"Richard P. Grant" <rp...@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:rpg14-29E854....@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> > IRA but thats a very different kettle of fish. And even these factions
> > are backing away from the terrorists. Also to compare the IRA with the
> > Al Queda is ridiculous beyond compare....
>
> *somewhere*. That's one hell of a faction. Not to mention the hardware.
>
> groups is ridiculous.
He thinks its ridiculous because even after apparently living in New York
(could be wrong about this?) Papa Doc goes through life aimlessly with
blinders on, when things happen in his back yard that he indirectly
contributed too....he'll shout like a bitch on heat, but when similar
atrocities aided and abetted by USA folk and Politicians towards people in
North Ireland....in the name of IRA support happen...and still fucking
happen..for Christ's sake...Papa Doc and co will try and conveniently sweep
these facts under the carpet with usual bullshit.
Colin
"Dr Oddness Killtroll" <an...@annex.annex> wrote in message
news:3D9309D3...@annex.annex...
> You have reliable data that shows that 567 Million was contributed from US
> donors to the IRA???!!!
>
> <GGG>
>
> You're not serious, right. I mean, you actually think people believe you,
do
> you.
>
> Ok, its just an ineffective troll.
>
> Better luck next time...
>
> DrOk
When you wake up and smell the coffee, when you realise the USA has been
supporting IRA for basically fun for years, you Dr Twat will realise *you*
are a troll, and you should be ashamed to be an American with such a
hypocritical background.
90% of the UK public are against your war mongering ways, that's 90% of 100%
in just the UK, you have support from nowhere else and deservedly so.
You are full of shit DrOK_Avatar, you style your life around flames on this
group, go fight a real battle, I heard you say once you have fought, but you
are full of shit.
Colin
"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
news:3d9322c...@news.west.cox.net...
> Because if the IRA was as serious about killing the British and as
> effective at killing them there would be no British people by now.
>
> Come back and talk to me about them when they kill 3031 of you at
> once. Come back to me when one of them admits that he was disappointed
> that he didnt kill 250,000 of you.
>
> That they are terrorists is not for dispute...that they compare to the
> Al Queda is beyond dispute...they dont.
>
> PAPA DOC
That America still supports IRA terrorism is beyond dispute, that America is
hypocritical on it's war against terrorism is far from beyond dispute, its
factual and shameful, every American should hang their heads in shame for
this disgrace your country still charades.
How many people have been killed in IRA troubles with American money Papa
Doc.... a lot more than 3031 you mention, but it doesn't matter does it,
because some concrete and steel towers never crumbled when these life's were
lost through American funded IRA terrorism, and it never happened in your
back yard....so I guess it doesn't really matter....huh?
Some American attitudes make me sick, I read recently of an American soldier
who raped a 13 year old girl in Kosovo, he anal raped her and told officers
... this is a third world country, we can get away with this shit, he got
away with a caution apparently, I'd have slit his throat there and
then...but that's me and my mood now.
I'm sure you will have a great Stars and Banners comeback PD, probably with
a grovelling arse licking comment from Weaver too ... But if you cant see
where Bush is leading us into madness by now I guess you never will.
Sunny
"Colin" <Se7en...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message news:3d940367$0$8514$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
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| That America still supports IRA terrorism is beyond dispute, that America is
It is from me, "some" Americans may support the IRA (Irish Americans?) and "some" may
support the other Irish religious fanatics. However, to state the "America" supports the IRA
is utterly ridiculous.
| hypocritical on it's war against terrorism is far from beyond dispute,
Bullshit, read my first statement again.
| its factual and shameful, every American should hang their heads in shame for
| this disgrace your country still charades.
How about the English sort out their own problems and stop blaming everyone else?
|
| How many people have been killed in IRA troubles with American money Papa
| Doc.... a lot more than 3031 you mention, but it doesn't matter does it,
| because some concrete and steel towers never crumbled when these life's were
| lost through American funded IRA terrorism, and it never happened in your
| back yard....so I guess it doesn't really matter....huh?
America does not have a monopoly on religious zealots, I have no doubt that there are
some misguided idiots in Australia (and elsewhere) that contribute funds to your
"Catholic v Protestant" carnage.
| Some American attitudes make me sick, I read recently of an American soldier
| who raped a 13 year old girl in Kosovo, he anal raped her and told officers
| ... this is a third world country, we can get away with this shit, he got
| away with a caution apparently, I'd have slit his throat there and
| then...but that's me and my mood now.
So you blame the whole USA for the actions of one scumbag?
(Post back and tell us how sick you feel the next time a UK soldier acts like a scumbag)
| I'm sure you will have a great Stars and Banners comeback PD, probably with
| a grovelling arse licking comment from Weaver too ... But if you cant see
| where Bush is leading us into madness by now I guess you never will.
I agree, Bush is leading us into madness. However, now that the UN travelling cocktail show
has failed to deal with Saddam Insane, what would you suggest?
The free world has fought many stupid wars, for far less reasons than the current obscenities
being perpetrated by these people. Turning the other cheeck will not work with these crazies.
PAPADOC
person slaps you hard upside the face to get your attention its a
significantly different thing than if he chops your head off because
he doesnt give a fuck about your attention.
The IRA want your attention....so they slap you upside the head.
The Al Queda dont give a fuck about my attention so they kill as many
as possible.
Big difference in motive.
PAPA DOC
>It's a bloody numbers game is it? Sheesh.
>
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PAPADOC
>That America still supports IRA terrorism is beyond dispute, that America is
>hypocritical on it's war against terrorism is far from beyond dispute, its
>factual and shameful, every American should hang their heads in shame for
>this disgrace your country still charades.
Hang my head in shame about people supporting terrorists...??? Not
likely...more likely is what I have been doing and that is writing my
representatives about what we can do to shut that sort of thing down.
Course that doesnt fit your view of existence. Nope dont like that
some Americans support people who blow up people and murder
indiscriminately....but Im sophisticated enough to know that this isnt
the government supporting the IRA.
>How many people have been killed in IRA troubles with American money Papa
>Doc.... a lot more than 3031 you mention, but it doesn't matter does it,
>because some concrete and steel towers never crumbled when these life's were
>lost through American funded IRA terrorism, and it never happened in your
>back yard....so I guess it doesn't really matter....huh?
The point stands that the IRA are not serious about killing the
British. That alot of British people have died just points out that
this dumb ass war has been going on for so many years. When they kill
3031 of you in 1 hour come back and whine to me.
>Some American attitudes make me sick, I read recently of an American soldier
>who raped a 13 year old girl in Kosovo, he anal raped her and told officers
>... this is a third world country, we can get away with this shit, he got
>away with a caution apparently, I'd have slit his throat there and
>then...but that's me and my mood now.
Yup in a country with 260 million people some scumbags exist...your
point? Oh I see your point is that you hate the US...big fucking deal.
>I'm sure you will have a great Stars and Banners comeback PD, probably with
>a grovelling arse licking comment from Weaver too ... But if you cant see
>where Bush is leading us into madness by now I guess you never will.
Bush is gonna finish this nonsense. And remember that Bush is
basically moderating a significant portion of this country. If I had
my way the Fucking War in Iraq would have been finished 2 months ago.
We would be starting on the War on Syria and Iran by now. Duck towel
headed fanatics...
PAPA DOC
PAPADOC
attacks. The point is the IRA dont kill that many people at a time
because they arent in the business of killing...they are in the
business of trying to win their point. They dont want to kill all the
British. The Al Queda do....
When you people will start acknowledging that fact perhaps I will
understand your points better. At this point it just looks like
America bashing to me and fuck that.
PAPA DOC
>Britons were killed in the WTC, Canadians too, in fact, people of many
>nationalities. I've seen a number of people post as if it was
>Americans that were the only victims of these attacks. You are wrong
>to take this attitude and I think you should show some repsect to
>*all* the victims by remembering that fact.
Dusty Rhodes
have told me from first hand knowledge that the IRA is no longer out to
prove a point. They are more akin to mobsters and thugs, and the drug trade
and the money that goes with that trade is what they are fighting over now.
Dusty Rhodes
"PAPADOC" <PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by> wrote in message
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Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
>No, but you obviously are because you missed my point completely.
Of course alot of nationalities died in the WTC thats obvious and
doesnt need to be restated every ten minutes. But the attack was
directed at Americans...they didnt give a fuck about killing Canadians
or the Indians or even muslims....all just lifes little extras. They
were after killing as many Americans as possible. And indeed they did
kill FAR more Americans than any other nationality.
You are an idiot because you make irrelevent points about somethiing
that is obvious.
PAPA DOC
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
killing as many People as possible or anything else. They are not in
the same business as the Al Queda since they are NOT trying to kill as
many people as possible.
PAPA DOC
Dr Oddness Killtroll
"Richard P. Grant" wrote:
>
> In article <3D9309D3...@annex.annex>,
> Dr Oddness Killtroll <an...@annex.annex> wrote:
>
> > You have reliable data that shows that 567 Million was contributed from US
> > donors to the IRA???!!!
>
> Last year alone.
>
> Yes, I have my sources. I'm not trolling.
>
Post 'em.
DrOk
Dr Oddness Killtroll
criminal?
Your just another child...
If you don't like the topics, don't post.
Get used to living on a planet where many don't agree with you. As
you've likely concluded, often its better just to keep your mouth shut.
Especially when you haven't anything worthwhile to say.
DrOk
Dameon wrote:
> No, you started that they killed 3000+ of *US*. You have stated it a
> number of times when having your spastic temper tantrums with people
> from outside the U.S. You are also an idiot for starting these OT
> posts in the first place.
Vern Pellerin
>On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:49:53 GMT, PAP...@jimbobs.drive.by (PAPADOC)
>wrote:
>
>>When they kill
>>3031 of you in 1 hour come back and whine to me.
>
>nationalities. I've seen a number of people post as if it was
>Americans that were the only victims of these attacks. You are wrong
>to take this attitude and I think you should show some repsect to
>*all* the victims by remembering that fact.
I've got an Iranian born co-worker (US citizen now) who, a few days ago, told
me that the majority of people who didn't go to work on Sept. 11 were Jews.
[insert jaw droping here] This guy has lived in the US for a long time now,
and he claims that he loves America. Yet, he actually believes that Jews knew
about the attack before it happened, and that most of the Jews didn't go to
the WTC to avoid the attack.
He also believes that Jews setup several TV cameras before the attack, to help
capture the attack on film, just to somehow make Arabs look bad. Huh???
He also believes a lot of conspiracy theories about the government. And no
amount of logic or reasoning can seem to get any common sense ideas through
his head. I'm telling you guys, the middle east is a royally screwed up
place. Not all middle eastern people are screwed in the head (I do have a few
other middle eastern co-workers who are FINE, and don't seem to have any such
extremely insane ideas), but lately I'm starting to realize that a huge
percentage of the young male population in the middle east is seriously
mentally screwed over.
Between the extreme religous Koran quoting zealouts who live by a code of
"convert them to Islam or torture & kill them", to the corrupt middle eastern
countries and governments who don't allow criticism of anything other than the
USA or Israel, they are breeding so much hatred in the Middle east, that the
world is a doomed place if we don't start taking some type of serious,
hard-core action to beat some common sense back into these freaks heads.
Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc., etc. All those countries need
to have their people re-educated without there EXTREMEST religion and hatred
of anything and everything "western". Those countries are all fertile
breeding grounds for hatred, intollerance, death, and destruction.
Colin
> Because if the IRA was as serious about killing the British and as
> effective at killing them there would be no British people by now.
>
> Come back and talk to me about them when they kill 3031 of you at
> once. Come back to me when one of them admits that he was disappointed
> that he didnt kill 250,000 of you.
>
> That they are terrorists is not for dispute...that they compare to the
> Al Queda is beyond dispute...they dont.
>
> PAPA DOC
Papa doctor, you really are quite thick, the issue here seems to be you can
sustain American involved in NI Terrorism so long as they don't go over the
score, for you that seems to be 3031 and at once, anything less than that
does not matter...HUH? Guess what Fart Breath, your American Government and
people have actively supported terrorism in my country for years, more than
3031 people have been killed because of what you support, you people compare
to Al Queda and more, I lose respect for this group day by day ....Jeez you
are so narrow minded Papa Doc.
Fuck Off with your hysterical shouts about 250,000 kills and where they came
from.
America seems more than eager to Nuke these days, multiply your hypothetical
250,000 with American war mongering ways with known factors and this figure
goes through the roof, You war mongering Yanks need to be stopped, are you
guys crazy? The UK have helped out before and were shafted, last time we
tried to bail you guys out in the Gulf War you cunts used us, We sent our
Tornadoes for the most dangerous missions, while you cowards sought the safe
night time missions that invariably went wrong, usually killing allied
soldiers or innocents .. occasionally killing an enemy soldier.
We also sent in our SAS, you bastards used us again for the most dangerous
missions, is it any wonder I don't shout Yup...whatever you say dude when
Bush talks out of his warmongering arse.
US training is pathetic, I guess one of the main reasons Europe is reluctant
to support USA is because of poor basic training in USA armed forces, who
wants to fight with an ally that sees moving targets as fair game ?, In the
Gulf War a Yank fired a button in an A10 and killed a friend of mine from
nearby Forres, his family have never FUCKING yet received any recognition
from the USA, I guess it's too bad for them and there son, casualties of
war, never happed in America and it wasn't an American killed...so it
doesn't matter.
Do you guys really spend much time wondering why Europeans are getting
pissed off with you?
PAPADOC
on thinking that because a vast minority of citizens support the IRA
with funds that this makes us all guilty.
Well then if that is the case then the fact that there are Imams in
Britain that collect cash for the Towel Headed Freaks to attack us
with, that this makes all the British complicit with the towel headed
freaks...?
Furthermore the point of counting the dead completely flew right over
your very low head. (Fart breath???? is that the best one of the
citizens from the country of literature can do?)
Allan Mayer
<Se7en...@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
>Do you guys really spend much time wondering why Europeans are getting
>pissed off with you?
No, because we really dont care.... if ya hadnt noticed !!!!!!!!!!!!
And just what exactly do you pissed off eurotrash want to do about
it exactly ????? Nothing ya say ????? thought not, as there is really
nothing ya can do. Unlike the US which can and will do whatever it
feels needs doing. Gee .... now I know why you erortrash types are
all pissed. You dont have shit compared to what we have here in the US !
Allan
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