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Mike S.

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Oct 22, 2003, 1:19:13 PM10/22/03
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Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?

Helmets?
Aero wheels?
Frame flex/comfort/materials?
Campy vs. Shimano?

Can you think of any that I've missed?

Mike


Durward McDonell

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Oct 22, 2003, 1:30:35 PM10/22/03
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Chain cleaning.
Shimmy.

And guns. Helmet wars inevitably lead to raging flamefests about
guns. This is one of the abiding mysteries of the universe.

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Durward McDonell dur...@his.com

David Reuteler

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Oct 22, 2003, 1:46:24 PM10/22/03
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Mike S. <mikeshaw2@coxdotnet> wrote:
: Campy vs. Shimano?

?

no argument here. this one has been settled.
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Tom Nakashima

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Oct 22, 2003, 1:49:18 PM10/22/03
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Funny,
years ago I remember a thread similar to this and somehow Meryl Streep was
involved.
Someone asked, "What does Meryl Streep have to do with bicycling?"

campagnolo vs. shimano
sew-ups vs. clinchers
shaved legs vs. non shaved legs
Kramer vs. Kramer

-tom


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Kirk Van Deraa

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Oct 22, 2003, 1:57:37 PM10/22/03
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Apparently the cost of your bike is of concern to many.
See "Critique requested" thread in this NG.

Also "How many gears is enough?" and "Will my new bike make me faster?"

Lewis Campbell

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Oct 22, 2003, 2:02:29 PM10/22/03
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How about Recumbents v DF bikes?

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Zog The Undeniable

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Oct 22, 2003, 2:05:37 PM10/22/03
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Mike S. wrote:

Whether different spoking patterns give a softer ride;
How a spoked wheel supports a hub

Harris

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Oct 22, 2003, 2:27:20 PM10/22/03
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Rotating weight
To grease or not to grease (BB tapers)
Colored tires
Threaded vs. threadless

Art Harris

Scott Mann

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Oct 22, 2003, 3:03:15 PM10/22/03
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"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message

> Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?

I would have to say frame material and ride quality. If I had a dime for
every time someone said "The ride quality on my Ti frame is the greatest! or
steel is so compliant!"

-Scott


Scott Mann

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Oct 22, 2003, 3:06:19 PM10/22/03
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> "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
>
> > Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments
around?
> >
> > Helmets?
> > Aero wheels?
> > Frame flex/comfort/materials?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Campy vs. Shimano?
> >
> > Can you think of any that I've missed?
>
> I would have to say frame material and ride quality. If I had a dime for
> every time someone said "The ride quality on my Ti frame is the greatest!
or
> steel is so compliant!"
>
> -Scott

What a dork that guy is! Frame flex was already on the list. :)


Scott Mann

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Oct 22, 2003, 3:07:43 PM10/22/03
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> "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
>
> > Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments
around?
> >
> > Helmets?
> > Aero wheels?
> > Frame flex/comfort/materials?
> > Campy vs. Shimano?
>
>

Trail damage caused/or NOT caused by mountain biking.


Scott Mann

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Oct 22, 2003, 3:09:12 PM10/22/03
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> "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
>
> > Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments
around?
> >
> > Helmets?
> > Aero wheels?
> > Frame flex/comfort/materials?
> > Campy vs. Shimano?
>
>
Carbs vs. protein. O.J. guilty or innocent.


ad6mj

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Oct 22, 2003, 3:23:52 PM10/22/03
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Durward McDonel wrote:
> "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> writes:
> And guns. -- Durward McDonell dur...@his.com

What's to argue about with guns??Except maybe what's the best way to
keep it from getting sweaty but accessible while riding? ;)

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Simon Brooke

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Oct 22, 2003, 4:35:04 PM10/22/03
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Durward McDonell <dur...@his.com> writes:

Helmet wars inevitably lead to raging flamefests to which other
controversial topics are drawn by pure gravitational attraction. Let a
helmet war spin up enough energy and it will pull in abortion, the
future of the State of Israel, hate speach, and much else besides.

In any case I can't understand why you USians get so excited about the
right to bare arms. We have t-shirts this side of the Atlantic too.

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Wise man with foot in mouth use opportunity to clean toes.
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ajames54

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Oct 22, 2003, 4:46:56 PM10/22/03
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Whip Snake...Fact or Fiction

Tied and Soldered spokes

Mail-order Bike parts

Mike S.

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Oct 22, 2003, 4:49:30 PM10/22/03
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> > Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments
around?
> > >
> > > Helmets?
> > > Aero wheels?
> > > Frame flex/comfort/materials?
> > > Campy vs. Shimano?
> > >
> > > Can you think of any that I've missed?
> >
> > Chain cleaning.
> > Shimmy.
> >
> > And guns. Helmet wars inevitably lead to raging flamefests about
> > guns. This is one of the abiding mysteries of the universe.
>
> Helmet wars inevitably lead to raging flamefests to which other
> controversial topics are drawn by pure gravitational attraction. Let a
> helmet war spin up enough energy and it will pull in abortion, the
> future of the State of Israel, hate speach, and much else besides.
>
> In any case I can't understand why you USians get so excited about the
> right to bare arms. We have t-shirts this side of the Atlantic too.
>

The thing that gets me is the US getting all excited about bare everything
else... I've seen some Euro TV...

Nope, can't show erect nipples (through a shirt) on TV. That's immoral.

Mike

Rick Onanian

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Oct 22, 2003, 4:51:07 PM10/22/03
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:35:04 GMT, Simon Brooke
<si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:

>Durward McDonell <dur...@his.com> writes:
>In any case I can't understand why you USians get so excited about the

Wow! I thought _I_ was the only one who thought there should be some
other term than "Americans".

>right to bare arms. We have t-shirts this side of the Atlantic too.

We're really proud of our biceps. They get a lot of exercise
bringing food from the plate to our mouths.
--
Rick Onanian

Carl Fogel

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Oct 22, 2003, 5:46:43 PM10/22/03
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Dear Durward,

Guns? Good Lord, you mean these fellows have guns?

My, I'd better watch whose toes I tread on around here
even more carefully or someone will plug me in the
back while I'm reaching for the "send" button.

I plan to sit with my back to the wall from now on.
Wild Bill didn't and look what happened to him.

Now stand back and nobody move--I'm getting up and
walking out of this post.

Carl Fogel

Jay Hill

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Oct 22, 2003, 6:44:51 PM10/22/03
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Harris wrote:
> Mike S. <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote:

> Colored tires

I don't remember seeing anyone defend these.

Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Oct 22, 2003, 6:55:50 PM10/22/03
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> Nope, can't show erect nipples (through a shirt) on TV. That's immoral.

I think that's a network thing, not an FCC thing.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training


Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Oct 22, 2003, 6:57:41 PM10/22/03
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> Can you think of any that I've missed?

Mike Vandeman. On the other group...

First new bike.

"How do I fix XXX, since I know no mechanical knowledge at all!"

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Jeff Wills

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"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:<k_ylb.72540$vj2.48006@fed1read06>...

<snip>

I avoid *all* cows, sacred and otherwise.

Jeff

Qui si parla Campagnolo

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Oct 22, 2003, 7:26:48 PM10/22/03
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mike-<< Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments
around?

Can you think of any that I've missed? >><BR><BR>

1 1/8 inch HS, threadless HS, compact geometry, carbon ass ends, boutique
wheels..does a hub hang from the spokes or is pushed up or centered(?)...

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
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Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
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Mike S.

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Oct 22, 2003, 7:31:01 PM10/22/03
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Y'all one of them thar Vetrenairians Like Aah seed on the TeeVee? The ones
that ain't meat eaters?

Mike


Mike S.

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'Spect I shoulda thought harder!

Mike


RWM

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Ginger or Mary Ann


Fred Marx

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Oct 22, 2003, 9:22:57 PM10/22/03
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Mary Ann
no contest

David L. Johnson

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Oct 22, 2003, 10:27:51 PM10/22/03
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:35:04 +0000, Simon Brooke wrote:

> In any case I can't understand why you USians get so excited about the
> right to bare arms. We have t-shirts this side of the Atlantic too.

Our bare arms are prettier.

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_`\(,_ | business.
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kh6...@pe.net

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Oct 22, 2003, 10:25:39 PM10/22/03
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Mike S. <mikeshaw2@coxdotnet> wrote:
: Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?

: Helmets?
: Aero wheels?
: Frame flex/comfort/materials?
: Campy vs. Shimano?

: Can you think of any that I've missed?

: Mike


These aren't big but they have caused some interesting threads.

Multi use Trails versus Biking on the road
Should one wear panties under one's bike shorts?
Flipping a bike upside down to change a flat versus not.

--------------------------------
Bob Masse' kh6...@PE.NET
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David Reuteler

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Oct 22, 2003, 10:43:30 PM10/22/03
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kh6...@pe.net wrote:
: Should one wear panties under one's bike shorts?

wow.
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reut...@visi.com

Sorni

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Oct 22, 2003, 10:56:00 PM10/22/03
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"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
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>
> The thing that gets me is the US getting all excited about bare everything
> else... I've seen some Euro TV...
>
> Nope, can't show erect nipples (through a shirt) on TV. That's immoral.

You've never seen "Friends"?

Bill "Rachel's are always saying hello" S.


Sorni

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> Flipping a bike upside down to change a flat versus not.

Front wheel no; rear wheel yes.

Bill "and you thought I'd be all over that 'panties' reference" S.


David Reuteler

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Oct 22, 2003, 11:12:14 PM10/22/03
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Sorni <so...@bite-me.san.rr.com> wrote:
: Bill "and you thought I'd be all over that 'panties' reference" S.

oh, was i baited? yawn.

let's redo it anyway.
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BVM

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Oct 22, 2003, 11:21:05 PM10/22/03
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On 22 Oct 2003 13:30:35 -0400, Durward McDonell <dur...@his.com>
wrote:

>"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> writes:
>> Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?
>>
>> Helmets?
>> Aero wheels?
>> Frame flex/comfort/materials?
>> Campy vs. Shimano?
>>
>> Can you think of any that I've missed?
>

>Chain cleaning.
>Shimmy.
>
>And guns. Helmet wars inevitably lead to raging flamefests about
>guns. This is one of the abiding mysteries of the universe.

Eventually the thread will end with Nazis.

BVM

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Oct 22, 2003, 11:24:55 PM10/22/03
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"HOLY COW!" -Harry Caray

Werehatrack

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Oct 23, 2003, 12:23:21 AM10/23/03
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I snickered at bright yellow ones a while back.

Since then, I ran into something far sillier. A guy with a red Honda
equipped with *far* too many bolt-on aftermarket excessories was in a
local tire shop asking if it was possible to get car tires in a color
other than black "because hey, they've got red tires for bikes and
like that, so why not for cars? Somebody's gotta be making them,
where can I get them?"

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it would be
intensely amusing to see such a vehicle's owner getting gently told
that no, they can't match the faded shade of red of the tire that just
failed, and if the owner wants all four tires to match, it will be
necessary to pay for three new ones to go with the one that's going to
be replaced under road hazard warranty. On the other hand, I'm not
sure I want to see technicolor skid marks on the highways; that would
be just too surreal.

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pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
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it's also possible that I'm busy.

Werehatrack

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Oct 23, 2003, 12:30:34 AM10/23/03
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:19:13 -0700, "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet>
may have said:

>Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?
>
>Helmets?
>Aero wheels?
>Frame flex/comfort/materials?
>Campy vs. Shimano?
>
>Can you think of any that I've missed?

Disc brake ejection, pointless Colnago frame frills, presta vs
schrader, build-it-yourself vs buy-it-assembled, road vs cross vs
mtb-with-slicks for commuting, light X vs light Y, cheap vs chic, and
probably a bunch of others that I just skipped for lack of interest.

Werehatrack

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:22:57 -0600, Fred Marx
<Fred...@GreasyChainrings.com> may have said:

>Mary Ann
>no contest

Ginger as a weekend, Mary Ann for long term. One needs a baseline for
true appreciation.

Mike S.

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Oct 23, 2003, 1:11:01 AM10/23/03
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> >> Colored tires
> >
> >I don't remember seeing anyone defend these.
>
> I snickered at bright yellow ones a while back.
>
> Since then, I ran into something far sillier. A guy with a red Honda
> equipped with *far* too many bolt-on aftermarket excessories was in a
> local tire shop asking if it was possible to get car tires in a color
> other than black "because hey, they've got red tires for bikes and
> like that, so why not for cars? Somebody's gotta be making them,
> where can I get them?"
>
> I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it would be
> intensely amusing to see such a vehicle's owner getting gently told
> that no, they can't match the faded shade of red of the tire that just
> failed, and if the owner wants all four tires to match, it will be
> necessary to pay for three new ones to go with the one that's going to
> be replaced under road hazard warranty. On the other hand, I'm not
> sure I want to see technicolor skid marks on the highways; that would
> be just too surreal.
>

They've got colored tires for motorycycles now too. Saw an ad in the back
of the magazines my little brother left with me after his summer vacation.

Have no idea whether they're actually good tires or not...

Also have seen car tires with colored stripes down the treads. Ummmm, yeah.

Mike

B. Sanders

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Oct 23, 2003, 2:09:19 AM10/23/03
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"Jay Hill" <jsh...@stic.net> wrote in message
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Love 'em! Black is boring.

-=B=-


Jeff Wills

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"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:<VqElb.72724$vj2.36349@fed1read06>...

OK, yew got me. My idee of a gormay meel is McDonalds.

jeff the lit.. umm... lit... umm... readable

Robert Strickland

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Oct 23, 2003, 6:29:21 AM10/23/03
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> >> Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments
around?
> >>
> >> Helmets?
> >> Aero wheels?
> >> Frame flex/comfort/materials?
> >> Campy vs. Shimano?
> >>
> >> Can you think of any that I've missed?
> >
> >Chain cleaning.
> >Shimmy.
> >
> >And guns. Helmet wars inevitably lead to raging flamefests about
> >guns. This is one of the abiding mysteries of the universe.
>
> Eventually the thread will end with Nazis.

That's the nice thing about the Nazis. They tend to show up at the end of
every argument.

Adam Rush

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Oct 23, 2003, 8:09:49 AM10/23/03
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> >Trail damage caused/or NOT caused by mountain biking.
> >
> Whip Snake...Fact or Fiction
>
> Tied and Soldered spokes

Forgive me for being a newbie here, but:
"TIED AND SOLDERED SPOKES"???

Appkiller

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<snip>
> In any case I can't understand why you USians get so excited about the
> right to bare arms. We have t-shirts this side of the Atlantic too.
<snip>

Silly, its about the right to arm bears. Bears need home protection too ;-)

App

Adam Rush

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Oct 23, 2003, 8:13:37 AM10/23/03
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> Helmets?
> Aero wheels?
> Frame flex/comfort/materials?
> Campy vs. Shimano?
>
> Can you think of any that I've missed? >><BR><BR>
>
> 1 1/8 inch HS, threadless HS, compact geometry, carbon ass ends, boutique
> wheels..does a hub hang from the spokes or is pushed up or centered(?)...

What are boutique wheels? Are they just expensive name-branded ones?

S. Anderson

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Oct 23, 2003, 8:01:14 AM10/23/03
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"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message
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>
> They've got colored tires for motorycycles now too. Saw an ad in the back
> of the magazines my little brother left with me after his summer vacation.
>
> Have no idea whether they're actually good tires or not...
>
> Also have seen car tires with colored stripes down the treads. Ummmm,
yeah.
>
> Mike

They're not. :-)

Cheers,

Scott..


Qui si parla Campagnolo

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Oct 23, 2003, 8:49:35 AM10/23/03
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adam-<< Forgive me for being a newbie here, but:
"TIED AND SOLDERED SPOKES"??? >><BR><BR>

Yikes...and a guy stopped next to me at a stop light, pointed at my shifters
mounted on my downtube and asked, "what are those things?"...

ajames54

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Oct 23, 2003, 8:53:14 AM10/23/03
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:32:21 GMT, Werehatrack
<rau...@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:22:57 -0600, Fred Marx
><Fred...@GreasyChainrings.com> may have said:
>
>>Mary Ann
>>no contest
>
>Ginger as a weekend, Mary Ann for long term. One needs a baseline for
>true appreciation.


No arguments on that one....
anyone who thinks otherwise is simply wrong...

ajames54

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On 23 Oct 2003 05:09:49 -0700, adam...@mail.com (Adam Rush)
wrote:

If you haven't heard about it count yourself lucky, You'll have
to do your own research on that one because I DO NOT want to be
accused of starting it up again...

jhuskey

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S. Anderson wrote:
> "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:EpJlb.72821$vj2.3-
> 883@fed1read06news:EpJlb.72821$vj2.3883@fed1read06...

> >
> > They've got colored tires for motorycycles now too. Saw an ad in the
> > back of the magazines my little brother left with me after his summer
> > vacation.
> >
> > Have no idea whether they're actually good tires or not...
> >
> > Also have seen car tires with colored stripes down the treads. Ummmm,
> yeah.
> >
> > Mike
> They're not. :-)
> Cheers,
> Scott..

:o

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Tom Nakashima

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Oct 23, 2003, 10:01:50 AM10/23/03
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One of the gals in our club saw them on my bike and called them; "Rabbit
Ears"
I almost had a cow.
-tom

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news.sonnet.com

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Duh! Of course your new bike will make you faster!!!!

MB

Mike S.

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"ajames54" <ajam...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Of course EVERYone knows that tied and soldered spokes make a wheel stiffer
by shortening the length of spoke that can bend...

To the OP of this question, do a google groups search, sit back and read the
vitriol.

Mike


Mike S.

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Oct 23, 2003, 11:16:31 AM10/23/03
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We've gotten a few doozies of questions that I always thought were basic
cycling knowledge!

Boutique wheels are those fancy-ass wheels that come pre-built from the
factory, usually carrying a hefty price tag.

Mike


Mike S.

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> >>Mary Ann
> >>no contest
> >
> >Ginger as a weekend, Mary Ann for long term. One needs a baseline for
> >true appreciation.
>
>
> No arguments on that one....
> anyone who thinks otherwise is simply wrong...


I'd bet that Ginger could teach a few of y'all things... Whether that's
good or bad is besides the point.

Mike


Tom Nakashima

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Oct 23, 2003, 11:37:32 AM10/23/03
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Ginger must be in her mid 70's now.
-tom


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Simon Brooke

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pete...@yahoo.com (Appkiller) writes:

You don't _need_ to arm bears. Who ever heard of a 'armless bear?

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Durward McDonell

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> Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?
[snip]

> Can you think of any that I've missed?

Sheldon: hairy/shaved
Fabrizio: bicycling god/poser wannabe

And at the risk of starting something... I used to lurk here
(pre-split, actually, so it was just r.b) more than 10 years ago, and
I seem to recall a whole discussion that amounted to
pro-Jobst/anti-Jobst. I don't know if that has recurred, but I'm glad
to see he didn't finally leave in disgust.

--
Durward "I'll go with hairy/god/pro" McDonell dur...@his.com

David Damerell

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Oct 23, 2003, 12:12:13 PM10/23/03
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Rick Onanian <spam...@cox.net> wrote:

><si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>>In any case I can't understand why you USians get so excited about the
>Wow! I thought _I_ was the only one who thought there should be some
>other term than "Americans".

'merkins is traditional on some parts of Usenet.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Distortion Field!

Werehatrack

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Oct 23, 2003, 12:34:59 PM10/23/03
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On 23 Oct 2003 12:02:33 -0400, Durward McDonell <dur...@his.com> may
have said:

>...at the risk of starting something... I used to lurk here


>(pre-split, actually, so it was just r.b) more than 10 years ago, and
>I seem to recall a whole discussion that amounted to
>pro-Jobst/anti-Jobst. I don't know if that has recurred, but I'm glad
>to see he didn't finally leave in disgust.

Minor mentions get made infrequently when Jobst's normal behavior gets
on somebody's nerves a little too much, but he has too many of the
right answers, so it seems that the majority opinion is that he is
someone up with which most would rather put.

Sorni

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"Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> top-posted in message
news:bn8sjq$21u$1...@news.Stanford.EDU...

> Ginger must be in her mid 70's now.

But Mary Ann is still 28.

Bill "and let's not even THINK about Mrs. Howell" S.


Prometheus

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Oct 23, 2003, 12:47:50 PM10/23/03
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> Also have seen car tires with colored stripes down the treads. Ummmm,
> yeah.

These are good. Pirelli P Zeros. VERY high performance tires. The "Rossos"
have a red stripe down them, the "Neros" have a yellow. The red ones are
better.

Mike
Mechanical Engineering 2006, Carnegie Mellon University
Remove nospam to reply.

Q.

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Oct 23, 2003, 1:07:31 PM10/23/03
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"Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message
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> One of the gals in our club saw them on my bike and called them; "Rabbit
> Ears"
> I almost had a cow.
> -tom

Girls are so CUTE (c:

C.Q.C.


David Reuteler

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Oct 23, 2003, 1:09:19 PM10/23/03
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David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
: 'merkins is traditional on some parts of Usenet.

typical british politeness, david. those of us who get out some know it gets
a whole lot worse than that.
--
david reuteler
reut...@visi.com

David Reuteler

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Oct 23, 2003, 1:14:10 PM10/23/03
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Werehatrack <rau...@earthweedslink.net> wrote:
: Minor mentions get made infrequently when Jobst's normal behavior gets

: on somebody's nerves a little too much, but he has too many of the
: right answers, so it seems that the majority opinion is that he is
: someone up with which most would rather put.

shit, man, that wasn't email. you posted that.

besides i'm fairly certain he started that aforementioned thread himself.
--
david reuteler
reut...@visi.com

Rick Onanian

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Oct 23, 2003, 2:04:02 PM10/23/03
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On 22 Oct 2003 16:09:57 -0700, jwi...@pacifier.com (Jeff Wills)
wrote:
>"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:<k_ylb.72540$vj2.48006@fed1read06>...

><snip>
>I avoid *all* cows, sacred and otherwise.

On behalf of the Esoteric c0wz' Society, I hereby officially flame
you. The cows will be by shortly to exact their revenge. Thank you
for calling, please wait for the beep.

>Jeff
--
Rick "Beep" Onanian

Rick Onanian

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Oct 23, 2003, 2:04:05 PM10/23/03
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On 22 Oct 2003 23:34:32 -0700, jwi...@pacifier.com (Jeff Wills)
wrote:
>"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:<VqElb.72724$vj2.36349@fed1read06>...
>> Y'all one of them thar Vetrenairians Like Aah seed on the TeeVee? The ones
>> that ain't meat eaters?
>>
>> Mike
>
>OK, yew got me. My idee of a gormay meel is McDonalds.

That thar McDonalds ain't no meat innyway. They done made dem
burgers otta Stah-ra-fome, an flaverred 'em with mint!

>jeff the lit.. umm... lit... umm... readable

(Everytime I've eaten at McDonalds, I've gotten burgers that taste
vaguely of mint, with no other flavor, and the consistency of
Styrofoam. I think the only way that people can eat that is loaded
with icky flavor-distractors like onions and ketchup...)
--
Rick Onanian

Mike S.

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Oct 23, 2003, 5:52:14 PM10/23/03
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"Prometheus" <msm...@nospam.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:2147483647.1066913270@msmiles.res.cmu.edu...

I don't think that's them. Wasn't there a Japanese or Korean Co. making
some too. I don't see your average rice rocket owner being able to afford P
Zeros...

Mike

B.C. Cletta

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Oct 23, 2003, 5:54:12 PM10/23/03
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"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:<k_ylb.72540$vj2.48006@fed1read06>...

> Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?
>
> Helmets?
> Aero wheels?
> Frame flex/comfort/materials?
> Campy vs. Shimano?
>
> Can you think of any that I've missed?

1. BIOREM vs Chuck Schmit
2. CarbonLord

B.C. Cletta

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Oct 23, 2003, 5:57:30 PM10/23/03
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"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:<k_ylb.72540$vj2.48006@fed1read06>...
> Hey guys, I got to thinking. What have been the biggest arguments around?
>
> Helmets?
> Aero wheels?
> Frame flex/comfort/materials?
> Campy vs. Shimano?
>
> Can you think of any that I've missed?

3. a hub "stands" on the spoke. or is it hang from?

Rick Onanian

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Oct 23, 2003, 5:57:49 PM10/23/03
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:01:50 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
<t...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>One of the gals in our club saw them on my bike and called them; "Rabbit
>Ears"

Hook 'em up to your TV and get local broadcasts...

>I almost had a cow.

Was it sacred?

>-tom
--
Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian

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Oct 23, 2003, 5:57:50 PM10/23/03
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On 23 Oct 2003 17:12:13 +0100 (BST), David Damerell

<dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>Rick Onanian <spam...@cox.net> wrote:
>><si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>>>In any case I can't understand why you USians get so excited about the
>>Wow! I thought _I_ was the only one who thought there should be some
>>other term than "Americans".
>
>'merkins is traditional on some parts of Usenet.

I like that one, but it's scarcely more accurate. Then again, who
(other than the occasional USian) would want to be a "Merkin"? Okay,
that'll do.
--
Rick "Merkin" Onanian

Ian S

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Oct 23, 2003, 7:00:27 PM10/23/03
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"Rick Onanian" <spam...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:j6dgpvk2ft6fcrn2i...@4ax.com...

> I like that one, but it's scarcely more accurate. Then again, who
> (other than the occasional USian) would want to be a "Merkin"?

Hmm, is that the reason for the name of the President (Merkin Muffley) in
Dr. Strangelove? After all, the names were all significant in that movie -
General Jack D. Ripper, General Buck Turgidson, Col. Bat Guano.


Werehatrack

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Oct 23, 2003, 7:01:13 PM10/23/03
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On 23 Oct 2003 17:14:10 GMT, David Reuteler <reut...@visi.com> may
have said:

>Werehatrack <rau...@earthweedslink.net> wrote:
>: Minor mentions get made infrequently when Jobst's normal behavior gets
>: on somebody's nerves a little too much, but he has too many of the
>: right answers, so it seems that the majority opinion is that he is
>: someone up with which most would rather put.
>
>shit, man, that wasn't email. you posted that.

Yup. Just got a new pair of Nomex shorts, had to give them a proper
test.

>besides i'm fairly certain he started that aforementioned thread himself.

The prospect boggles the mind...briefly.

A Muzi

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Oct 23, 2003, 10:15:57 PM10/23/03
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>>Eventually the thread will end with Nazis.
>
>
Robert Strickland wrote:
> That's the nice thing about the Nazis. They tend to show up at the end of
> every argument.


Right. That's how we know it is the end.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Mark Janeba

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Oct 24, 2003, 12:19:39 AM10/24/03
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A Muzi wrote:
> Robert Strickland wrote:
>
>> That's the nice thing about the Nazis. They tend to show up at the end of
>> every argument.
>
> Right. That's how we know it is the end.

How else would we know the thread had ended?

Mark Janeba

Qui si parla Campagnolo

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Oct 24, 2003, 9:10:33 AM10/24/03
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jwills-<< I avoid *all* cows, sacred and otherwise. >><BR><BR>

We have a local woman here in Boulder that's suing a cow for attacking
her...while she was running in a field, The cow was protecting her calf..I vote
for the cow....

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

H. M. Leary

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Oct 24, 2003, 9:58:23 AM10/24/03
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In article <8XYlb.37839$N94.19906@lakeread02>, "Ian S" <is51r...@cox.net>
wrote:

Greatest movie ever! This was our squadron film in the old days when I was
flying nukes.

Major Kong - Slim Pickens - B-52 Commander, Our Hero!

Pres. Merkin, WC Monte Markham, and of course Dr. Strangelove - Peter Sellers.

Do yuy remember P O E???
( Purity of Essence )

HAND

--
łFreedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darknessł

- Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution

Mike S.

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>
> We have a local woman here in Boulder that's suing a cow for attacking
> her...while she was running in a field, The cow was protecting her calf..I
vote
> for the cow....
>

You ARE kidding, right?

Mike

Carl Fogel

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Oct 24, 2003, 1:12:19 PM10/24/03
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"H. M. Leary" <miki...@forgedabit.net> wrote in message news:<mikie357-FE4477...@news.verizon.net>...

> In article <8XYlb.37839$N94.19906@lakeread02>, "Ian S" <is51r...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > "Rick Onanian" <spam...@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:j6dgpvk2ft6fcrn2i...@4ax.com...
> >
> > > I like that one, but it's scarcely more accurate. Then again, who
> > > (other than the occasional USian) would want to be a "Merkin"?
> >
> > Hmm, is that the reason for the name of the President (Merkin Muffley) in
> > Dr. Strangelove? After all, the names were all significant in that movie -
> > General Jack D. Ripper, General Buck Turgidson, Col. Bat Guano.
> >
> >
>
> Greatest movie ever! This was our squadron film in the old days when I was
> flying nukes.
>

Dear H.M.,

Rick's delicacy may have prevented him from
explaining things sufficiently. The use of
"merkin" to refer to us 'Mericans is not just
an imitation of our rugged accent.

Look the word up--I dare say no more.

Except that yeah, that's the sort of thing
only a bunch of limeys would dream up, much
less wear.

Carl Fogel

David L. Johnson

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Oct 24, 2003, 1:22:17 PM10/24/03
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:10:33 +0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

> We have a local woman here in Boulder that's suing a cow for attacking
> her...while she was running in a field, The cow was protecting her calf..I
> vote for the cow....

She's suing the cow? For what, a pound of flesh?

I don't suppose she mentioned how she came to be running in the field the
cow was grazing in, but I'm sure it must have been public property. If
someone runs around in my fields, I wouldn't mind if my cow (if Ihad one)
were to chase her off. But maybe Boulder is a different world....

--

David L. Johnson

__o | What is objectionable, and what is dangerous about extremists is
_`\(,_ | not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant.
(_)/ (_) | --Robert F. Kennedy

Ian S

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Oct 24, 2003, 1:44:13 PM10/24/03
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"Carl Fogel" <carl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Makes the President's name in Dr. Strangelove even more a propos!


Tom Nakashima

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Does the cow has to testify in court?
-tom

"Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message

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Mike S.

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> Does the cow has to testify in court?
> -tom

If she does, who gets to clean up the cow pies?

Mike


Rick Onanian

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On 24 Oct 2003 10:12:19 -0700, carl...@comcast.net (Carl Fogel)
wrote:

>> > Hmm, is that the reason for the name of the President (Merkin Muffley) in
>Rick's delicacy may have prevented him from
>explaining things sufficiently. The use of
>"merkin" to refer to us 'Mericans is not just
>an imitation of our rugged accent.

Actually, I had intended it simply as the imitation of our 'rugged'
accent. Read on...

>Look the word up--I dare say no more.

Drat! Now I remember! I had, in fact, forgotten about that.
Something bugged me about it, but I couldn't remember what; now I
do. I first read of it in a newspaper or magazine article about
weird products.

>Except that yeah, that's the sort of thing
>only a bunch of limeys would dream up, much
>less wear.

I'll put it slightly delicately, for the unknowing:
Fake hair down there, for women (they make it for men too, although
I don't recall if it is assigned the same term).

>Carl Fogel
--
Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:26:32 -0700, "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet>
wrote:

>> We have a local woman here in Boulder that's suing a cow for attacking
>> her...while she was running in a field, The cow was protecting her calf..I
>vote
>> for the cow....
>
>You ARE kidding, right?

Why should he be? I would vote for the cow too.

>Mike
--
Rick "OIC, kidding about the lawsuit, not the vote" Onanian

Rick Onanian

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Oct 24, 2003, 4:09:41 PM10/24/03
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:17 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
<david....@lehigh.edu> wrote:
>someone runs around in my fields, I wouldn't mind if my cow (if Ihad one)
>were to chase her off. But maybe Boulder is a different world....

Ah hah! Perfect! Guard cow, doubles as a lawnmower AND a fertilizer
manufacturer.

Actually, it's pretty gross to think that cows eat grass, crap
fertilizer, then eat the grass again.
--
Rick "Free methane heat, too" Onanian

David Damerell

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Oct 24, 2003, 4:27:52 PM10/24/03
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Rick Onanian <spam...@cox.net> wrote:
>I'll put it slightly delicately, for the unknowing:

Please don't be delicate, it's that that leads to these prolonged
subthreads about which side one "dresses".

>Fake hair down there, for women (they make it for men too, although
>I don't recall if it is assigned the same term).

It is; the term originates from an age when a full head of pubic hair was
seen as a sign of virility in men, and then common venereal diseases
caused one to lose it.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?

Carl Fogel

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Oct 24, 2003, 11:18:58 PM10/24/03
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vecc...@aol.com (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message news:<20031024091033...@mb-m03.aol.com>...

> jwills-<< I avoid *all* cows, sacred and otherwise. >><BR><BR>
>
> We have a local woman here in Boulder that's suing a cow for attacking
> her...while she was running in a field, The cow was protecting her calf..I vote
> for the cow....
>
> Peter Chisholm
> Vecchio's Bicicletteria
> 1833 Pearl St.
> Boulder, CO, 80302

Dear Peter,

Once again the effete university city of
Boulder, Colorado, shows its feeble colors.

All this loose talk in this thread about
women suing or eating mere cattle--bah!

Down south in Pueblo, women are made of sterner
stuff . . .

Well, rather than boast, here's today's front
page story with the link lest anyone accuse
me of making it up:

http://www.chieftain.com/friday/news/index/article/5

***

Accused cannibal could live in Pueblo
By PATRICK MALONE, THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

The possibility of accused cannibal Carolyn Blanton's
release into the Pueblo community isn't going unnoticed.

Blanton in 1993 was found not guilty by reason of insanity
for the murder, dismemberment and cannibalizing of Peter
Green in a case rooted in Alamosa.

She was committed to the Colorado Mental Health Institute
at Pueblo, where doctors now want to release her to live
unsupervised in Pueblo except for periodic checkups at the
nearby hospital.

The proposal raises questions about the state's repeated
claims that Pueblo, home of prisons and the state hospital,
is not a dumping ground for patients and inmates.

State Sen. Abel Tapia, D-Pueblo, said he expects some
community backlash.

"It's a concern in Pueblo with the hospital right in our
back yard.

I think it happens more than people want," Tapia said of
the release of patients and inmates into the Pueblo area.

"What makes it scarier is that we have people who are
functioning fine when they have medication and treatment
but those resources in the community are being depleted."

Tapia cited cuts to community mental health resources in
Pueblo during the last legislative session as the basis
for his concern.

"I had a long conversation with (Superintendent) Steve
Schoenmakers of the state hospital regarding releasing
patients into the community," Tapia said.

"It was explained to me that they are a hospital. Their
job is to treat people and ultimately release them as
functioning people in society."

Tapia said he was told that state hospital doctors are
convinced Blanton has progressed sufficiently to cope
adequately with the responsibility of living on her own.

Her release is also recommended only as part of a larger
treatment plan, he noted. She would be required to go
back to the hospital each week for four hours of mental
health treatment.

A hearing is scheduled Nov. 4 in Alamosa before District
Judge Pattie Swift to determine whether an independent
psychiatric evaluation is in order before Blanton is
released in Pueblo.

The hospital recommended Blanton's release, and also
recommended that she live in Pueblo so that ongoing
treatment from the hospital will be readily available.

Prosecutors in Alamosa oppose Blanton's release, just
as they did last year when she was granted off-campus
privileges. "We're not talking (about) a typical case,"
said Mike Gonzales, deputy district attorney in Alamosa.
"We're talking about a cannibal."

Blanton, 50, lives at the hospital now and has supervised
off-campus privileges. She is being treated with counseling
and medication for schizophrenia, according to published
reports.

***

Presumably, she will be able to feed and care for herself.

Ah, Monty Python . . .

Dear Sir, I am glad to hear that your studio audience
disapproves of the last skit as strongly as I. As a
naval officer I abhor the implication that the Royal
Navy is a haven for cannibalism. It is well known that
we now have the problem relatively under control, and
that it is the RAF who now suffer the largest casualties
in this area. And what do you think the Argylls ate in
Aden. Arabs? Yours etc. Captain B.J. Smethwick in a white
wine sauce with shallots, mushrooms and garlic.

"There is no cannibalism in the British Navy, absolutely
none, and when I say none, I mean there is a certain amount."
- Sir John Cunningham

Proud Colorado, home of Alferd Packer, Fremont's
failed expedition, and now Carolyn Blanton! While
Boulder sues cows, Pueblo finds substitutes!

Carl Fogel

Terry Morse

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Oct 25, 2003, 2:07:58 AM10/25/03
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H. M. Leary wrote:

> Pres. Merkin, WC Monte Markham, and of course Dr. Strangelove - Peter Sellers.

Um, that's Group Captain Lionel Mandrake. He's liable to give you
such a pranging for getting his name wrong, but sadly the string in
his leg is gone.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/

H. M. Leary

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Oct 25, 2003, 9:06:32 AM10/25/03
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In article <tmorse-6EE70D....@news.covad.net>,
Terry Morse <tmo...@spamcop.net> wrote:

Thanks Terry.

I really have to remember to engage brain before t toasting.......:)

This is the war room. Thereąs no fighting allowed here!

H. M. Leary

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Nov 1, 2003, 11:30:08 AM11/1/03
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In article <tmorse-6EE70D....@news.covad.net>,
Terry Morse <tmo...@spamcop.net> wrote:

I have to do pennance for this gregious error. Maybe more time aboard the łLeper
Colony.˛

As for the sting, remember The 100 Year Plan???

I have no idea what this has to do with bicycling.

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