Isn't it poetic Justice that a Company who had no regard for the many " Mom
& Pop Stores they put out of business many years ago when Wegmans introduced
the SUPER Store Concept to our area, they were not happy with just selling
good affordable products in a nice clean environment. They had to install
Drugstores, Video rental, and in some Dry cleaning not to mention all the
other " convinces" they offered that the small neighborhood stores couldn't
compete with and then had to close down.
Remember " Mister Smith" at your local hardware store, who knew you by name
when you came in to get a faucet washer for your 1930's built house that no
one else had? Remember when you forgot your wallet and " Mister Smith " said
" don't worry about it,I'll catch you next time you stop in for a cup of
coffee" Remember " Mister Jones " at the corner drug store who would stay
open later just because you called him with a prescription your doctor just
gave you at 7 pm?
Yes Wegmans has given much to Rochester ( its so nice to see that they give
a Million dollars to food link as a tax deduction ( hmm did that come from
the $1.00 that they ASK you for as you check out? )
Now Wegmans cries foul as The BIG BOX STORES have forced them to close an
over priced Hardware chain because Chase Pitkin cant compete with the
buying and advertising power of the Giants!!
TO BAD! Danny Wegman didn't feel sorry for " Mister Smith and Mister Jones"
and he doesn't care about you as he sits in his mega mansion on the lake.
Danny stop your sniveling and suck it up! you are a self serving capitalist
who has gotten what you deserve..
What goes around comes around!
Bob
I think I owe Hardcore Icon, or someone on the board here, an apology.
I remember they were saying how they would sometimes hear people have sour
grapes about the success of others, and I said that I rarely hear anything
but admiration for those who are successful. Well, apparently I was
definitely not 100% correct on that one because I certainly read the
statement below to be a negative towards someone successful. My advice is
if you don't like it, and you think you can do a better job, and that the
people will vote with their wallets(if they remember them) to shop again at
mom and pop grocery stores, then why don't you work together with others to
build and market some?
I may be very wrong when I say this - but is it possible that the
creation of the superstore with many services under one roof has opened the
possiblity of having small super specialty stores which push the quality
curve, or access to even more specialty products, even further? Just
throwing out ideas here, but was there a time when we had more options for
product purchases than we have now?
Sg
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Bob,
I think if you take a look at Trike MIke's post again, you'll see who
the true CAPITAList is. Must be a problem with his shift key or
something ;-)
Dick
So Danny is a capitalist...what does that make > you...a commy ?
( NO that makes me an American! )
I am glad that you chuckle when a local institution has to
> close. I myself feel for those employees who may not be able to get a job
> at one of the Wegmans stores.
( Aperently you also can not read! I stated that I felt Sorry for the
Employees!)
Wegmans was voted one of the top employers in the
> country and it wasn't because they don't deserve the award.
( My post wasnt about how Wegmans treats its employees)
( another reason I think uou cant read!)
They are daring
> enough to try new and different concepts in their stores and they don't
> dominate the grocery store market in this region because they don't know
> what they are doing.
( I dont think I made any reference to Wegmans busnisess savvy)
As far as donating, yes, they have donated millions to
> charity. Bob Wegman has made very generous donations to the local Catholic
> schools and Aquinas High School also.
(ow wonderful of them to do that.. in view of their over priced goods, they
should have plenty of cash left over after buying Cocaine to support Danny's
habit and give a little bit back to the community
of their needs taken care of )( and again many of Wegmans corporate
donations come from its customers giving a buck every time they are harrased
while checking out)
offers goods and
> services at competitive prices.( competitive prices? Hmm you are
> delusional)
I feel bad that the Wegmans organization cannot compete ( cant or WONT!? )
Home Depots that have popped up all over the county ( Dont forget walmart
and target)
count the mom and pop small corner grocery stores in your neighborhood...?
Perhaps you should read my post again before you make a PISS POOR REPLY!
Sorry for my poor use of CAPITAL leTTerS I didnt think this WaS a EngLish
ClaSS
BesT RegArDs
DICK
Bob
>Well it seems that Wegmans and Company have finally got a taste of their own medicine.
>I chuckled to myself...
>Danny stop your sniveling and suck it up! you are a self serving capitalist who has gotten what you deserve..
>...
>What goes around comes around!
I have no opinion. Met Danny a couple of times,
and didn't really like him, but maybe he was having
a bad day, i don't know. What i /do/ know is that
Wegmans is a pretty well-run company whose
regional expansion brings money into Rochester
from beyond.
I was a Grossmans guy until CP drove them under.
After that, i looked for a local hardware store, and
Lo And Behold, i found one. They closed about 5
years later, but Whatta You Know, i found another
one about a mile further away. I think i've been in
a Home Depot about twice in my life, and average
about 3 Chase Pitkin visits a year.
Buy local, and your money works for you even after
you spend it. My current hardware store is a Servistar
franchise, but is locally owned. Some of the profits
must go to the chain, but the lion's share stays here
in town.
For that matter, the last time i was in either a Wegmans
*or* a Tops was about 2 months ago. The butcher i
use makes a certain cut i needed, but they only chop
it on Tuesdays, and this was a Friday. Checked the
big Weggy and they had exactly one lonely cut of
what i needed.
We're lucky in that our local big grocery is locally-
owned (unlike many cities in the US). The profits
enhance our community. But spending money even
more "locally" than Weggys benefits me more directly.
SL
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No, actually it's British slang for cheap wine.
Thanks John for the information... I don't like Cheap wine, gives me the
schitz, I will in the future turn down any invitation from anyone offering
" Plonk"
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Correct about the specialty shops too.
Nice post.
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See also:
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/P/plonk.html
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>Finally someone who read the content and understood my post!
>
>
>"Scaly Lizard" <scaly...@nospampleaseyho.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:26:56 GMT, "Trike MIke"
>> <drop_yu...@home.com> wrote:
We're all in this together, bucko.
SL
Presentation says a lot about you, and sloppy presentation makes you come
off as either a child or someone who is not very intelligent. That may not
be true, but that's what sloppy presentation looks like.
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I hope my spelling and punctuation are correct
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>Your spelling and punctuation are still incorrect.
>
>Icon
He also continues to use "To bad" when he obviously means to say "Too bad" and
has made the same mistake numerous times already. One need not be a rocket
scientist to know this. Classical elementary education teaches us this simple
concept of the various uses of to/too/two at an early age. No doubt the same
people use "Irregardless" as well, and often insert it as often as they can into
a conversation. The mind boggles.
And yet, if everyone had paid attention in school the way you, Hardcore,
and I did, who would be left to make steel wool, flip burgers, or snake
out our sewer lines? I mean how could our economy survive universal
literacy? What are you, some kind of egalitarian or something???
Ok, so the guy wrote "to" instead of "too." I know that I have made my
share of grammatical errors over the years, in fact, I'm probably making one
right now and I don't even know it! The cool thing is that at least we know
what he means, so maybe getting side tracked with the grammer stuff kind of
makes the board less fun to discuss things on? Besides, don't we want a
lower and lower standard of education in this country? That way people will
lose the ability to critically think, and we can continue with the master
plan without opposition!
Suresh
This poor woman OBVIOUSLY meant two say that she has way too much time on
her hands. Or perhaps she is a proof reader for a major news paper.
Also, eye made know mention of " rocket scientist" but rather Rocket
Surgeon.
All in all, thank ewe all fore reading my post sew carefully, your attention
made me feel so good, perhaps, even to say it helped to erase the feelings
of abandondement that I felt as a child. Your psychoanalytical assumptions
of my personality, education and gawd knows what else are truly heart
warming.
"She who thinks of her self as wise is often thought of as a fool!" I
think that was a quote from Doctor Sigmund Floyd
Wrong... buzzzzzz!
I neither make steel wool, flip burgers, nor do I snake out sewer lines for
a living..
But I am sure people who look down their noses at such employed people most
likely use those peoples services!
OH my! What would all the SCHMART people do without someone to do those
dirty tasks that we find so distasteful?
Most engineers that I know couldn't engineer the coco puffs train let alone
blow the whistle.. or perhaps know a monkey wrench from a monkey ass!
In the words of a wise man.. We are all in this together ...
Then we're in agreement. I take it you missed the intended irony in my
post. Sorry about not being clearer.
>
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>> And yet, if everyone had paid attention in school the way you, Hardcore,
>> and I did, who would be left to make steel wool, flip burgers, or snake
>> out our sewer lines? I mean how could our economy survive universal
>> literacy? What are you, some kind of egalitarian or something???
>
>Wrong... buzzzzzz!
>
>I neither make steel wool, flip burgers, nor do I snake out sewer lines for
>a living..
>But I am sure people who look down their noses at such employed people most
>likely use those peoples services!
>OH my! What would all the SCHMART people do without someone to do those
>dirty tasks that we find so distasteful?
>
>Most engineers that I know couldn't engineer the coco puffs train let alone
>blow the whistle.. or perhaps know a monkey wrench from a monkey ass!
>
>In the words of a wise man.. We are all in this together ...
"We're all in this together, kid." -- Robert Deniro, in "Brazil"
(as Harry Tuttle, commando HVAC technician)
Wise guy indeed!
SL
Yes you are correct. It is the nature of business, because the consumer
drives the market in every respect.
But Capitalism is what made this country... not bigger government.... IMO...
Wal Mart is loved and hated by many people for legitimate reasons. But
all in all, they make a lot of money and do sell cheaper than most places.
Now with Home Depot, which used to be Builder's Square, they sell at
about the same prices as Lowe's does, and also Menard's in Wisconsin and
Minnesota.
It does not effect New York State much, but with more Home Depots
opening up, it seems that the former KMart franchise has taken off well,
in the "Wal Mart" tradition.
Nothing wrong with CP closing, those people who will be out of work can
all go to Home Depots to get jobs. They are opening up a new one in
Dansville, so.... you make the calcs...
What had happened to Big N's and Big M's? What about Loblaws and True
Value Hardware? TVH put a few mom and pop stores out of business also...
What about Blockbuster video stores, which compets with Hollywood video
and Wal Mart and Wegmans?
All these markets and products are always and will remain fluid. It is
the nature of buying and selling because we want what we want at the
lowest price possible.
Sears in Canada has cut 1,200 jobs, and it looks like the store in
Elmira is also going to cut jobs.
Sears products are very much overpriced. I know, I used to work at one.
Why should I buy a Dyson vacuum cleaner at Sears for 499.00 when I can
walk right over to Wal Mart and buy the same thing for 399.00?????? GADS
I saved 100.00 and still there is a markup on the thing!
Simple as pie....
>>
>>
> Yes you are correct. It is the nature of business, because the consumer
> drives the market in every respect.
> But Capitalism is what made this country... not bigger government....
> IMO...
>
> Wal Mart is loved and hated by many people for legitimate reasons. But
> all in all, they make a lot of money and do sell cheaper than most places.
> Now with Home Depot, which used to be Builder's Square,
Where on earth did you get that idea?
> they sell at
> about the same prices as Lowe's does, and also Menard's in Wisconsin and
> Minnesota.
> It does not effect New York State much, but with more Home Depots
> opening up, it seems that the former KMart franchise has taken off well,
> in the "Wal Mart" tradition.
The former KMart franchise Builder's Square has been obliterated.
> Nothing wrong with CP closing, those people who will be out of work can
> all go to Home Depots to get jobs. They are opening up a new one in
> Dansville, so.... you make the calcs...
>
> What had happened to Big N's and Big M's?
Big M's are still around. Big N / Neisners has been gone for a long
time - Kmart did that one.
> What about Loblaws and True
> Value Hardware?
Still in business... both. True Value is a HUGE co-op organization with
tremendous buying power.
TVH put a few mom and pop stores out of business also...
And a lot of them ARE mom and pop stores.
>
> What about Blockbuster video stores, which compets with Hollywood video
> and Wal Mart and Wegmans?
>
> All these markets and products are always and will remain fluid. It is
> the nature of buying and selling because we want what we want at the
> lowest price possible.
> Sears in Canada has cut 1,200 jobs, and it looks like the store in
> Elmira is also going to cut jobs.
> Sears products are very much overpriced. I know, I used to work at one.
> Why should I buy a Dyson vacuum cleaner at Sears for 499.00 when I can
> walk right over to Wal Mart and buy the same thing for 399.00?????? GADS
> I saved 100.00 and still there is a markup on the thing!
And now that Sears is owned by KMart, some of that particular dynamic
will change. Sears has tremendous deep price cuts on regular calendar
schedules.
>
> Simple as pie....
You would think so. I am surprised Wegmans did not offer up the C-P
chain for sale before announcing a complete shuddering.
Rob
The CP stores are in strips which Wegmans owns. Perhaps
they have a plan? I don't think they'd board up a couple million
square feet of their own retail space without having some sort
of plan for renting or re-using it. Maybe Rochester is about to
get Frye's, or maybe some dollar store chain is ready to go bigbox?
SL
Anyway, time to go and cut a couple hundred tons of cabbage! Good post!!
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Sort of... the "entity" which owns the food market business is different
from the "entity" that owns the real estate. Also, C-P is a tenant in
at least Pittsford, and there are several stand-alone C-P locations.
Perhaps
> they have a plan? I don't think they'd board up a couple million
> square feet of their own retail space without having some sort
> of plan for renting or re-using it. Maybe Rochester is about to
> get Frye's, or maybe some dollar store chain is ready to go bigbox?
>
> SL
Rob
But so what? It doesnt mean that everything will get better quickly, its
merely a shift in business. I still stand by my statement that the
consumer drives the market.
Have you ever gone to some store and asked for a particular product? Im
sure that at some time, it showed up on the side counter in one of those
stores.
Now here in Hornell, we are supposed to get a Target and Best Buy. It
will compete directly with Wal Mart just down the road. Will it hurt
sales? Most likely, but that is the nature of business, competition.
Home Depot is building in Dansville. It will hurt North Main Lumber in
Hornell, which is a private business in a defucnt shopping center. It
takes time for business to come in, build and grow and shift the dynamic
of an area, whether they are servie related, building related or
otherwise. Kmart moved out of Hornell a few years ago and now that
building is used by Alstom and TTA (train car manufacturing).
Take Geneve for instance. in the early sixties, American Can Corp was
king in the whole area, and it left for the south in 1964 (?) (if memory
serves) and lost hundreds of jobs. the city was depressed for the better
part of a decade. It took time for things to change. Now there are small
businesses and hotel chains and other manufacturing businesses centered
in Geneva and its business district. Now Geneva is starting to thrive
again.
In Phelp, Silver Floss Sauer Kraut was also king. Its gone now too, and
Seneca Foods is owned by a company based in Appleton Wisconsin.
And Vogt's doesnt deliever coal to homes anymore...
Ahhhh the good old days....
> trainfan1 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> And now that Sears is owned by KMart, some of that particular dynamic
>> will change. Sears has tremendous deep price cuts on regular calendar
>> schedules.
>>
>>>
>>> Simple as pie....
>>
>>
>>
>> You would think so. I am surprised Wegmans did not offer up the C-P
>> chain for sale before announcing a complete shuddering.
>>
>> Rob
>
> Home Depot was Builder's Square. It was reorganized in the early 90's
> and divulged from Kmart Corp.
You're crazy. The only thing close to your theory was merger talks
between Builder's Square & "Homebase", I think was the name of the company.
> I dont believe that the price model for Sears will change much or
> hardley at all. In particular with the Electrolux line, which makes
> garden tractors, is the same for for different stores. Lowes, CP Sears
> and Wal Mart sell the same design under different names. Poulan is what
> you may be familiar with. Craftsman is the Sears name of course, but
> they are mostly of the same design, just different features on the
> different sotre models.
And formerly AYP, & formerly Roper, w/ a very old tie-in to David
Bradley through the Sears connection... Product prefix 917...
> LIke I said I used to work for Sears now I work for Wal Mart.I didnt
> know that Home depot used to be Builder's Square
And you still don't. It wasn't. Home Depot opened as Home Depot. Period.
until I attended a
> marketing meeting one day and the question of competitive hardware came
> up.
Please tell us who was conducting that "marketing meeting" so we can set
them straight too...
Wal Mart actually owns about 40% of stock in Home Depot also.
> My ex-wife used to work for Builder's Square before and during the
> re-organization phase. My daughter works for Lowes in Milwaukee,
> Wisconsin. :)
> I think we have an idea of the business..
I am sorry, but I think you are clueless on the Home Depot issue.
http://www.homedepot.com/HDUS/EN_US/corporate/about/docs/THDTimeline.pdf
Rob
>
Chase-Pitkin is but a division of Wegmans, which is doing quite well, just
not the home and garden business. The employees of Chase-Pitkin will be
given an opportunity to join Wegmans. So many will come out of these
alright.
David
A private company bought Hechingers and Builders Square and merged them.
They failed about a year later.
Neither company ever had anything to do with Home Depot. The founders of
Home Depot came from Builders Emporium; maybe that is what you are thinking
of.
I am sorry I missed the thread on Chase Pitkin. They were poorly run
company and deserved to go out of business. I spent about $2,500/year at HD
and $25 at Chase Pikin. Their loss might actually help Rochester; maybe
somebody decent will move in.
or
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2073191C
> They were poorly run
> company and deserved to go out of business. I spent about $2,500/year at HD
> and $25 at Chase Pikin. Their loss might actually help Rochester; maybe
> somebody decent will move in.
>
>
I will miss the "Lifetime" power tool warranty, though. I guess we now
know who's "lifetime" it is... it's C-P!
Rob
If you're talking about the generic low-level clerks, people who stock
shelves, and those who chase after carts in the parking lot, sure. If
you're talking about the people who have specific experience related to
what Chase-Pitkin sells (for example the staff who do things like help
select and design kitchens and bathrooms), those people will have a much
harder time if they want to take jobs in grocery stores.
Phil and I were in Home Depot last week. I was bored and while there I
played with their job listings system. One thing I didn't appreciate
until I did that was how many jobs in a store like Home Depot (and
presumably Chase-Pitkin) are hidden. When you think about a store like
Chase-Pitkin, you think of the twenty-something know-nothings who
blankly point you at aisle three. Or you think of the older guys giving
sage home and garden advice that sometimes has little to do with what's
on the product shelves.
But aside from those people, there are a lot of people behind the scenes
handling logistics, security, planning, marketing, administration, human
resources, and so on. If those people can find work in Wegmans' grocery
stores is not something I would assume.
Just a thought since that was the first thing that we all thought of here
too....
Who knows.
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See http://www.btrca.com/print.html
"Greece - The Town Board granted Wegman's Food Markets a special use
permit to build a superstore on Latta Road, just south of the existing
Wegman's store. The current store will be converted into a Chase Pitkin
Home and Garden Store. According to the approved plans, Chase Pitkin
will be in the existing 88,000 square foot store, and the new store
would be 130,000 square feet. (3/16/05)"
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