[Discuss] LAMP like frameworks are dying. Time for the javascript age

[Luther Goh Lu Feng]

I got this link off twitter, and would like to share this article with
the community as I felt that it is a good read for web developers.

http://metamarketsgroup.com/blog/node-js-and-the-javascript-age/

"Three months ago, we decided to tear down the framework we were using
for our dashboard, Python’s Django, and rebuild it entirely in server-
side Javascript, using node.js."

"The Javascript age is about event streams. Modern web pages are not
pages, they are event-driven applications through which information
moves. The core content vessel of the web — the document object model
— still exists, but not as HTML markup. The DOM is an in-memory,
efficiently-encoded data structure generated by Javascript."

I hope to learn from everyone's opinion on this.

[VP]

I think the author is still in the honeymoon with his newly found
love: Node.js.

After the honeymoon, he will realize that the LAMP stack is not only
dead, it'll be around and kicking for a long time to come. The same
is uncertain for "javascript frameworks", which will find their places
nonetheless.

[pbreit]

I tend to agree that LAMP will thrive for quite some time.

But node.js and the article are interesting. The one thing I have witnessed with good success is returning tabular data as JSON and then using JavaScript to render the <table>. We used YUI for this with good results. We could easily return thousands of rows and then create tables that had real-time sorting, filtering and paging.

In general, JavaScript does seem like a reasonable choice at the server level (although I still prefer Python syntax).

I'm still not a fan of some of the "event streaming". It definitely makes sense in some situations. But I still like most things to have an address.

[Massimo Di Pierro]

I think node.js is fantastic. It is not a serverside framework and JS
is still not that friendly compared to python but for some
applications node.js is really fast. Erlang is better though.

On Apr 9, 3:35 am, Luther Goh Lu Feng <elf...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[cjrh]

On Apr 9, 10:35 am, Luther Goh Lu Feng <elf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I hope to learn from everyone's opinion on this.

It is pretty clear that the future belongs to javascript, as long as
that is the language that all browsers support. Expect javascript
JITs to improve. Expect the growth of more full-blown desktop-like
apps hosted in the browser (like the Ext JS desktop demo). Expect
people to begin to hate refreshing the page.

By including jQuery, web2py is ahead of the curve, or at least on par
with the other "traditional" frameworks. We could probably make AJAX
even easier if we tried. We probably should try. More support for
reducing page refreshes.

[JmiXIII]

"Expect the growth of more full-blown desktop-like
apps hosted in the browser (like the Ext JS desktop demo). Expect

people to begin to hate refreshing the page. " => +1

I really agree with this and I wish so much webbrowser could use
python as javascript....

[Albert Abril]

Just a question... is erlang a direct competitor to javascript with this paradigm?

2011/4/12 JmiXIII <sylvn...@gmail.com>

[Massimo Di Pierro]

http://blog.mysyncpad.com/post/2073441622/node-js-vs-erlang-syncpads-experience

On Apr 12, 12:45 pm, Albert Abril <albert.ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a question... is erlang a direct competitor to javascript with this
> paradigm?
>

> 2011/4/12 JmiXIII <sylvn.p...@gmail.com>