[web2py] monetize web2py anybody?
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mdipierro
May 23, 2010, 7:18:44 PM5/23/10
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I have some problems:
1) people ask me to contribute to more projects that I can handle.
2) I am good at kicking off a project (20% of the work) but I am not
the best person to bring it to production (the other 80%) of the work.
3) I want to delegate some of these projects to users I trust. I need
to better keep track of you, the users, your skills and interests.
You and I have some problems in common:
1) you are an individual or you own a small consulting company and
you find hard to compete for large projects
2) you want to use web2py but you need to sell web2py before you can
sell yoru services.
3) you need legal help (sample non-disclosure agreement, sample
contracts, etc.)
4) for large projects you need to find people who can help you with
development (you man need a designer, a coder, a system administrator,
a GAE expert, etc).
5) you want somebody else to handle advertising for you
I want to help. I want to help you find development jobs, network, and
compete for larger projects by providing some assistance.
I am about to create something like an association of web2py
professionals with a portal that provides web sites for members,
repository of legal forms, job posting, progress tracking, feedback
forms, etc. Here is the basic idea: we do not advertise web2py, we
advertise the association and its members. you find a client? you keep
all the money. You want to offer your client long term support or code
review? the association will sell that to the client directly
directly. You want to be listed as a member? Follow a code of conduct
(basically use approved tools and ask your clients to review your work
publicly). You already have a consulting company or an employer? You
can have the company listed as an associate under some conditions.
We can turn our group into a large international consulting
organization overnight. There would be no contract between the
association and you other than a code of conduct that you will have to
follow to be listed and that I am about to wrote. You can continue to
work as an individual or with your existing company. The association
will just help when you need help.
The association may also partner with some member to provide venture
capital in the form of code development (and perhaps money but not
immediately) for specific projects submitted to the association, in
exchange of shares.
I have already incorporated to do this. This will be independent and
complementary form web2py itself and web2py would not be the only tool
in the association approved toolkit.
For now the toolkit will include: web2py, ubuntu, postgresql, jquery,
and google app engine. You as an individual or a company can provide
services based on other tools but the association will endorse these
tools because we can easily find people skilled in them and you, as a
member, will be required to endorse these tools as good tools and
demonstrate your skills in some of them (not all of them).
web2py is a tool. We will all outlive web2py. But we have created
something important here. A community of skilled professional that
share some experience. I want to see this grow with web2py and beyond
web2py later. I want to see us compete with large consulting
companies. I want to do it using a new business model in which there
are no shareholders to take a cut of your work since they would not be
providing any means of production to you (you already own a laptop and
that is your office), yet I want to provide the other benefits that a
large corporation can offer (a single image, consistency,
reliability).
Not sure if there should be an admission criteria. I could use your
feedback about this.
Comments? Thought? You do not have to commit to anything now but who
is interested?
Massimo
1) people ask me to contribute to more projects that I can handle.
2) I am good at kicking off a project (20% of the work) but I am not
the best person to bring it to production (the other 80%) of the work.
3) I want to delegate some of these projects to users I trust. I need
to better keep track of you, the users, your skills and interests.
You and I have some problems in common:
1) you are an individual or you own a small consulting company and
you find hard to compete for large projects
2) you want to use web2py but you need to sell web2py before you can
sell yoru services.
3) you need legal help (sample non-disclosure agreement, sample
contracts, etc.)
4) for large projects you need to find people who can help you with
development (you man need a designer, a coder, a system administrator,
a GAE expert, etc).
5) you want somebody else to handle advertising for you
I want to help. I want to help you find development jobs, network, and
compete for larger projects by providing some assistance.
I am about to create something like an association of web2py
professionals with a portal that provides web sites for members,
repository of legal forms, job posting, progress tracking, feedback
forms, etc. Here is the basic idea: we do not advertise web2py, we
advertise the association and its members. you find a client? you keep
all the money. You want to offer your client long term support or code
review? the association will sell that to the client directly
directly. You want to be listed as a member? Follow a code of conduct
(basically use approved tools and ask your clients to review your work
publicly). You already have a consulting company or an employer? You
can have the company listed as an associate under some conditions.
We can turn our group into a large international consulting
organization overnight. There would be no contract between the
association and you other than a code of conduct that you will have to
follow to be listed and that I am about to wrote. You can continue to
work as an individual or with your existing company. The association
will just help when you need help.
The association may also partner with some member to provide venture
capital in the form of code development (and perhaps money but not
immediately) for specific projects submitted to the association, in
exchange of shares.
I have already incorporated to do this. This will be independent and
complementary form web2py itself and web2py would not be the only tool
in the association approved toolkit.
For now the toolkit will include: web2py, ubuntu, postgresql, jquery,
and google app engine. You as an individual or a company can provide
services based on other tools but the association will endorse these
tools because we can easily find people skilled in them and you, as a
member, will be required to endorse these tools as good tools and
demonstrate your skills in some of them (not all of them).
web2py is a tool. We will all outlive web2py. But we have created
something important here. A community of skilled professional that
share some experience. I want to see this grow with web2py and beyond
web2py later. I want to see us compete with large consulting
companies. I want to do it using a new business model in which there
are no shareholders to take a cut of your work since they would not be
providing any means of production to you (you already own a laptop and
that is your office), yet I want to provide the other benefits that a
large corporation can offer (a single image, consistency,
reliability).
Not sure if there should be an admission criteria. I could use your
feedback about this.
Comments? Thought? You do not have to commit to anything now but who
is interested?
Massimo
Vasile Ermicioi
May 23, 2010, 9:42:50 PM5/23/10
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I am at least interested :)
Kevin Bowling
May 23, 2010, 10:25:46 PM5/23/10
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Massimo, you are awesome. I wish my CS professors had the breadth and
tenacity that you have shown in this project with the full cycle from
design, to implementation, to community building.
Regards,
Kevin
tenacity that you have shown in this project with the full cycle from
design, to implementation, to community building.
Regards,
Kevin
b00m_chef
May 23, 2010, 10:29:05 PM5/23/10
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I am very interested in this. As soon as I am done with my current
task, I will get involved in this (next few months).
P.S. Consider YUI3 instead of jQuery, because you can use jQuery
plugins in YUI3 and YUI3 supports accessibility as part of its mandate
(support for disabled individuals). Alternatively, consider adding
YUI3 to the toolkit.
task, I will get involved in this (next few months).
P.S. Consider YUI3 instead of jQuery, because you can use jQuery
plugins in YUI3 and YUI3 supports accessibility as part of its mandate
(support for disabled individuals). Alternatively, consider adding
YUI3 to the toolkit.
Álvaro Justen
May 23, 2010, 11:15:11 PM5/23/10
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What about integrate this system with third-party ones? Like
getafreelancer, oDesk etc. So we don't need to start 'from scratch'
when dealing with trusting a programmer or not.
Please, let me know what I can do to help.
--
Álvaro Justen - Turicas
http://blog.justen.eng.br/
21 9898-0141
mdipierro
May 23, 2010, 11:20:59 PM5/23/10
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Getafreelancer is what some of my students use to get their homework
done. Does not resonate very well with me. :-(
Massimo
On May 23, 10:15 pm, Álvaro Justen <alv...@justen.eng.br> wrote:
done. Does not resonate very well with me. :-(
Massimo
On May 23, 10:15 pm, Álvaro Justen <alv...@justen.eng.br> wrote:
Jason Brower
May 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM5/23/10
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I think it is a great idea. It is going to have to look good. Really good. Business people want the look first not the functionality.
I would be willing to be a part of this group.
Best regards,
Jason Brower
Jason Brower
May 24, 2010, 1:01:25 AM5/24/10
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I totally understand. As a student that has seen some student cheat when
I failed the class, I certainly don't like the idea in that perspective.
But we don't turn off the internet when there are viruses. I say we
provide a reporting system to find these idiots rather than just keep
letting them pass by. Not sure the best way to implement it, but I
think it could be done.
BR,
Jason
I failed the class, I certainly don't like the idea in that perspective.
But we don't turn off the internet when there are viruses. I say we
provide a reporting system to find these idiots rather than just keep
letting them pass by. Not sure the best way to implement it, but I
think it could be done.
BR,
Jason
weheh
May 24, 2010, 1:08:19 AM5/24/10
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@mdp: Consider me in.
I agree with the toolset. I am moving from YUI to jQuery and the move
has gone well. I still use YUI to reset the grid.
I've already worked with a chosen few web2py-ers on various consulting
gigs. I thought the interactions were very positive and would like to
work with them some more if possible, as well as expand the circle.
This is a good community.
I position to my clients that I am not a one-man show, but rather a
program manager for a virtual company. I believe this resonates with
your idea. I agree with many of the points you make here. Need to
think about it some more to understand how to contribute.
I agree with the toolset. I am moving from YUI to jQuery and the move
has gone well. I still use YUI to reset the grid.
I've already worked with a chosen few web2py-ers on various consulting
gigs. I thought the interactions were very positive and would like to
work with them some more if possible, as well as expand the circle.
This is a good community.
I position to my clients that I am not a one-man show, but rather a
program manager for a virtual company. I believe this resonates with
your idea. I agree with many of the points you make here. Need to
think about it some more to understand how to contribute.
Adi
May 24, 2010, 4:03:19 AM5/24/10
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I'm in too. Is there any similar model working successfully? Might
help us.
help us.
dbb
May 24, 2010, 7:02:00 AM5/24/10
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Massimo:
First this is noble idea, we need a point man like you Massimo whom we
describe the function and put the money we are willing to pay for the
function at your disposal, you have a say whether the money is enough
or not enough and clarity of the task before contacting the
associate, then once everything is in order, the associate is
contacted, the description and the fee will be discussed and the
associate takes the description and performs the work and hand it to
Massimo and the fee will be paid by Massimo ( this one is sure, it is
Massimo who has the money and pays the associate). The description of
the work is in writing. All evaluations, conduct, rules, and etc must
be a joint task of all.
Debebe
> > > andgoogleapp engine. You as an individual or a company can provide
First this is noble idea, we need a point man like you Massimo whom we
describe the function and put the money we are willing to pay for the
function at your disposal, you have a say whether the money is enough
or not enough and clarity of the task before contacting the
associate, then once everything is in order, the associate is
contacted, the description and the fee will be discussed and the
associate takes the description and performs the work and hand it to
Massimo and the fee will be paid by Massimo ( this one is sure, it is
Massimo who has the money and pays the associate). The description of
the work is in writing. All evaluations, conduct, rules, and etc must
be a joint task of all.
Debebe
> > > services based on other tools but the association will endorse these
> > > tools because we can easily find people skilled in them and you, as a
> > > member, will be required to endorse these tools as good tools and
> > > demonstrate your skills in some of them (not all of them).
>
> > > web2py is atool. We will all outlive web2py. But we have created
> > > tools because we can easily find people skilled in them and you, as a
> > > member, will be required to endorse these tools as good tools and
> > > demonstrate your skills in some of them (not all of them).
>
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blackthorne
May 24, 2010, 7:16:20 AM5/24/10
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Eventually, I intend to open my small business and I'm not that
confident that I will ever get enough market by exclusively working
on IT security, my area. I don't neglect the possibility of including
web development not only as a way (become web is, for me, the most
powerful interface) but also as an end, even if not an exclusive one.
So, either way I will use web development and when it comes to fruit,
after intense research, I consider web2py the right one to get the
best juice.
as you all know, I'm an idiot (literally) with many good and bad
ideas always emerging and yet I only share about 10% on this ML so
that you
don't get too bored and I don't see my efforts dissolved. I had this
idea some time ago and I even started some work which could be used
to retrieve ideas on a possible implementation.
I do think this as a great idea and if it wasn't by Massimo I would
probably neglect it as he, with a Physics background and with his
intense workload still manages to keep web2py in constant evolution
with a very responsive attitude. However, web2py is growing at a rate
that goes beyond any programming wolverine and it's now much more
than a program. This is not just a great idea, it's a must, really!!
Best regards,
Francisco Gama T. R.
confident that I will ever get enough market by exclusively working
on IT security, my area. I don't neglect the possibility of including
web development not only as a way (become web is, for me, the most
powerful interface) but also as an end, even if not an exclusive one.
So, either way I will use web development and when it comes to fruit,
after intense research, I consider web2py the right one to get the
best juice.
as you all know, I'm an idiot (literally) with many good and bad
ideas always emerging and yet I only share about 10% on this ML so
that you
don't get too bored and I don't see my efforts dissolved. I had this
idea some time ago and I even started some work which could be used
to retrieve ideas on a possible implementation.
I do think this as a great idea and if it wasn't by Massimo I would
probably neglect it as he, with a Physics background and with his
intense workload still manages to keep web2py in constant evolution
with a very responsive attitude. However, web2py is growing at a rate
that goes beyond any programming wolverine and it's now much more
than a program. This is not just a great idea, it's a must, really!!
Best regards,
Francisco Gama T. R.
Richard
May 24, 2010, 7:31:56 AM5/24/10
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I am interested, and glad you brought this up again:
http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/226863714adbb7cb
http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/226863714adbb7cb
Albert Abril
May 24, 2010, 7:39:18 AM5/24/10
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I am interested too.
Still learning daily a bit more.
I'm planning to do a dental clinic management, but had a lot of work to do.
Regards.
Still learning daily a bit more.
I'm planning to do a dental clinic management, but had a lot of work to do.
Regards.
greenpoise
May 24, 2010, 8:52:37 AM5/24/10
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Count me in.
Dan
On May 24, 7:39 am, Albert Abril <albert.ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am interested too.
> Still learning daily a bit more.
> I'm planning to do a dental clinic management, but had a lot of work to do.
>
> Regards.
>
Dan
On May 24, 7:39 am, Albert Abril <albert.ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am interested too.
> Still learning daily a bit more.
> I'm planning to do a dental clinic management, but had a lot of work to do.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am interested, and glad you brought this up again:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/226863714a...
> > I am interested, and glad you brought this up again:
Leandro - ProfessionalIT
May 24, 2010, 9:37:56 AM5/24/10
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Massimo,
Despite being a product and not a tool, the business plan of OpenERP
is very interesting.
I think that "Regional/Country Departments" of the Association can
provide more global visibility to Web2Py.
IMHO, a business plan to this association can have a "certification
program" with three levels: bronze, silver and gold, and companies
like mine for example, offer my services to customers presenting my
"Web2Py certificate".
To have a [level] Certificate, your campany needs fill some
criterias...
what you think about this idea?
-- Leandro.
Despite being a product and not a tool, the business plan of OpenERP
is very interesting.
I think that "Regional/Country Departments" of the Association can
provide more global visibility to Web2Py.
IMHO, a business plan to this association can have a "certification
program" with three levels: bronze, silver and gold, and companies
like mine for example, offer my services to customers presenting my
"Web2Py certificate".
To have a [level] Certificate, your campany needs fill some
criterias...
what you think about this idea?
-- Leandro.
greenpoise
May 24, 2010, 10:06:56 AM5/24/10
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I think that rather than discriminating and hence giving competitive
advantage to one company over another would defy the purpose of it
all! I dont know what a good admission system would be like but I am
all up for a filter type rather than giving some competitive advantage
to ones more than others, that would be unfair.
On May 24, 9:37 am, Leandro - ProfessionalIT <lsever...@gmail.com>
wrote:
advantage to one company over another would defy the purpose of it
all! I dont know what a good admission system would be like but I am
all up for a filter type rather than giving some competitive advantage
to ones more than others, that would be unfair.
On May 24, 9:37 am, Leandro - ProfessionalIT <lsever...@gmail.com>
wrote:
greenpoise
May 24, 2010, 11:06:01 AM5/24/10
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by the way, I was referring to the idea of: "To have a [level]
Also, have you ever seen blender.org? They have good ideas themselves.
One for example is to pay certain amount ($200) if not mistaken if you
use blender for commercial purposes.
Just a thought.
dan
Certificate, your campany needs fill some
criterias... ".
Also, have you ever seen blender.org? They have good ideas themselves.
One for example is to pay certain amount ($200) if not mistaken if you
use blender for commercial purposes.
Just a thought.
dan
Jason Brower
May 24, 2010, 11:40:32 AM5/24/10
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I certainly didn't know about a commercial licence for Blender. Could
you show me the link to that?
Best Regards,
Jason Brower
you show me the link to that?
Best Regards,
Jason Brower
greenpoise
May 24, 2010, 1:36:40 PM5/24/10
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Oops, dual licensing was retracted. It had dual licensing not anymore.
My bad. I have been using blender for a long time and really never
checked back again on that one.
dan
My bad. I have been using blender for a long time and really never
checked back again on that one.
dan
GoldenTiger
May 24, 2010, 1:54:07 PM5/24/10
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Of course, I discovered web2py 1 month ago , and I feel as when I
discovered python, thanks to web2py I'm more excited than ever in my
life, and I know this is all the framework I want.
Now I'd like creating all the ideas that I was always dreaming ^^
I think some day everybody will use web2py and new frameworks will be
inspired in web2py.
I would like showing people at spain that this framework means
I have thousands of ideas every day to write with web2py, and ideas to
improve it ^^
the more creative i am more happy i feel
thanks a lot ^^
Juan Martinez
discovered python, thanks to web2py I'm more excited than ever in my
life, and I know this is all the framework I want.
Now I'd like creating all the ideas that I was always dreaming ^^
I think some day everybody will use web2py and new frameworks will be
inspired in web2py.
I would like showing people at spain that this framework means
I have thousands of ideas every day to write with web2py, and ideas to
improve it ^^
the more creative i am more happy i feel
thanks a lot ^^
Juan Martinez
yamandu
May 24, 2010, 5:19:11 PM5/24/10
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I am with you Massimo.
I am only on what can be don for this do not become a mess.
As it´s so innovative it´s natural that there be many doubts but also
many expectatives.
I am starting a small company, I am using web2py extensively.
So lets do it.
(handshake goes here)
I am only on what can be don for this do not become a mess.
As it´s so innovative it´s natural that there be many doubts but also
many expectatives.
I am starting a small company, I am using web2py extensively.
So lets do it.
(handshake goes here)
Giuseppe Luca Scrofani
May 24, 2010, 5:48:40 PM5/24/10
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Count me in! This is a very good idea. How I can contribute in this
starting phase? It is possible to make a list of the first task
involved in the creation of this business? A dedicated wiki, maybe?
starting phase? It is possible to make a list of the first task
involved in the creation of this business? A dedicated wiki, maybe?
Magnitus
May 25, 2010, 2:34:12 AM5/25/10
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I do not foresee looking for serious consulting work at least for the
next year or so (if I do, it will be limited time stuff to pay the
bills until my main venture takes off if my savings run out).
After my game is off, I'll see (it will depend on how well it does).
I will certainly have accumulated a fair amount of knowledge in
Web2py, Linux and Jquery by the time I'm done.
Thanks for pointing me out to jquery through Web2py btw. I started
looking at it and it will definitely cut down some of the work.
next year or so (if I do, it will be limited time stuff to pay the
bills until my main venture takes off if my savings run out).
After my game is off, I'll see (it will depend on how well it does).
I will certainly have accumulated a fair amount of knowledge in
Web2py, Linux and Jquery by the time I'm done.
Thanks for pointing me out to jquery through Web2py btw. I started
looking at it and it will definitely cut down some of the work.
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