open source organization again

[mdipierro]

Some of you may remember previous threads on creating an organization
to support web2py adoption and provide business support to the many
skilled people in this list. This does not exist yet, it will not be a
replacement for this group but more like a complement for those who
choose to be part of it.

So far I came up with this:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddjcrc9c_1c3nmn4dn

comments? suggestions? If you want edit access, just ask.

Can you share some of your previous contracts (anonymized)?

Can you help with a logo?

Massimo

[vince]

i think that's really necessary for web2py. without anyone providing
business support, cooperate won't trust web2py!

vince

[mdipierro]

Not quite correct. There are companies that provide web2py support.
Let's start another thread on this topic.

Massimo

[Kirby Turner]

I have some questions regarding the code of conduct. Is it okay post
the questions here in the user group or as comments in the document?

Also, it seems I can't get to the document today. Did the URL change?

-KIRBY

[Kirby Turner]

Found the URL in the other message with the subject "web2py google
docs".

-KIRBY

[mdipierro]

perhaps questions to the group is easier.

[Kirby Turner]

I read through the current draft of the organization charter and it
seems like a great start. But parts of the Code of Conduct seem too
restrictive especially for my situation. I am self-employed - been in
business for just over 5 years. I recently discovered web2py and
think its a great framework. Once I have gain some hands-on
experience (I'm currently working on a couple of solutions for my
company) I plan to promote it to my customers. So the "Organization"
is of interested to me.

To paraphrase parts of the Code of Conduct, the Code of Conduct
applies to interaction between members and its customers and does not
extend to customers of the employer unless the employer is willing to
abide to the code of conduct. The member agrees to inform the
Organization about his/her customers, and the member agrees to
recommend and provide software solutions that are based on open
standards and open source software technologies and are cross-
platform. And the member agrees to inform the Organization about his/
her customers.

In my situation I'm both the employee and employer. The majority of
my customers prefer I not share their names. In some cases this is
even written into the contracts. And while I always recommend the
best platforms/technologies for the customer's needs, which is more
and more based on open source technologies, I do not always provide
solutions that are cross-platform, based on open standards, or
leverage open source technologies. Unfortunately there are times -
more often then not - when my customer will control these types of
decisions and those decisions would focus me to go against the Code of
Conduct.

So while I like the spirit of the Code of Conduct, I feel it might be
too restrictive for my situation should I become a member of the
"Organization".

Possible solutions that might make the Code of Conduct sound less
restrictive include:

- Change wording from "The member agrees to recommend and provide" to
something like "The member agrees to recommend and provide when
possible".

- Change "The member agrees to inform the Organization about his/her
customers" to something like "The member agrees to inform the
Organization about his/her customers, with approval from the customer,"

Comments/thoughts?

-KIRBY

[mdipierro]

I agree.

[dhmorgan]

from Charter, goals section:
> 2. Certify the knowledge and ethical standards of its members

I'm wondering what that might look like.

- Daniel

[mmstud]

On 30 joulu, 18:55, dhmorgan <dharrimanmor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> from Charter, goals section:
>
> > 2. Certify the knowledge and ethical standards of its members
>
> I'm wondering what that might look like.

Thou shalt not condemn other coders.
And if coder requests help for one line, give him two.

But seriously, im interested to see, how this goes. Seems good so far.

[mdipierro]

We will have online tests. If members choose to take online tests,
results will be posted.
tests will be created by users and approved by users.
Massimo

[billf]

Re online tests: if it all takes off and membership is worth anything
won't someone sell the answers to (or offer to complete) online tests
for people unable to do it for themselves?

Sorry to be a wet blanket.

"Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get
you."

[mdipierro]

This is a good point but not something we really need to worry at the
beginning.
About 100 people on this list have contributed to web2py with
comments, questions, patches. The association should recognize this.
Once we form a core we may have a period when people sign up and take
online tests and we can make the tests random.
Once we start to see problems we can ask new members be sponsored by
existing members and tests be supervised by existing members.

Massimo

[billf]

OK - that's a good idea :-)