[videoblogging] Microsoft orders you to change your web-pages

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Michael Verdi

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Mar 30, 2006, 1:18:53 PM3/30/06
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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30643

Does this affect videobloggers? What do ActiveX controls do?

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Devlon

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Mar 30, 2006, 1:28:26 PM3/30/06
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ActiveX controls allow for embedding of media players, etc. (among other things)

This could be a really big drag....or just another reason for everyone
to switch to firefox ;)


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Michael Sullivan

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Mar 30, 2006, 1:38:23 PM3/30/06
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i've heard this like 3 times now over the course of a few years it seems.
i read this latest alert a few weeks ago and literally dismissed it until some noise erupts ;)

so yeah, is this for real this time?

Devlon

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Mar 30, 2006, 1:49:44 PM3/30/06
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On 3/30/06, Michael Sullivan <sulle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i've heard this like 3 times now over the course of a few years it seems.
> i read this latest alert a few weeks ago and literally dismissed it until
> some noise erupts ;)
>

yeah, it's hard to say these days, but here is some info:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1943847,00.asp

Markus Sandy

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Mar 30, 2006, 2:10:25 PM3/30/06
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they load your videos!!!

this looks like there's going to have to be some workarounds


Michael Verdi wrote:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30643

Does this affect videobloggers? What do ActiveX controls do?

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Devlon

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Mar 30, 2006, 2:12:34 PM3/30/06
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On 3/30/06, Markus Sandy <mar...@apperceptions.org> wrote:
> they load your videos!!!
>
> this looks like there's going to have to be some workarounds

I can think of one real easy one :)

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Charles Iliya Krempeaux

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Mar 30, 2006, 2:45:32 PM3/30/06
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Hello,


On 3/30/06, Michael Verdi <mic...@michaelverdi.com> wrote:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30643

Does this affect videobloggers? What do ActiveX controls do?

In IE, ActiveX controls let you play video right in your web page.  (So, no more doing that I suppose.)

What we really need is native/built-in Video (and Audio) support, built right into the browser.  (And not need plug-ins for it.)

Actually, what we really need is SMIL support.  (SMIL is a markup language similar to HTML, but adds video, audio, and timing.)  SMIL's actually a perfect fit for us vloggers, vidcasters, vodcasters, Internet TV makers, etc.



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T.Whid

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Mar 30, 2006, 2:35:00 PM3/30/06
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This is for real, I've been seeing the issue on some MSIE installs but
can't seem to pin down why some browsers exhibit the 'Click to run an
ActiveX control on this webpage" alert and some don't. I have tested
with the exact same versions on different machines and have seen
different behavior.

Here is Microsoft's official workaround:
http://tinyurl.com/8ntst

And here's some more info re: timetable etc:
http://tinyurl.com/rb9lg

Note, it's a problem not only with object tags but also embed tags and
applet tags. And if users have a certain advanced checkbox unchecked
(see the first url above) they'll see the alert anyway no matter what
web page authors do (except force their users to use another browser
of course).


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hpbatman7

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Mar 30, 2006, 3:49:02 PM3/30/06
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Yeah, it will be real easy to get the 95% or so of people who use IE
to just change............

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Enric

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Mar 30, 2006, 8:58:04 PM3/30/06
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According to the MSDN docs, you can still automaticaly load an embedded
object like quicktime, windows media, flash, etc. It needs to be
loaded through an external javascript file. The procedures and
examples are at:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/activating_activex.asp
http://tinyurl.com/aovax

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Enric

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Mar 30, 2006, 10:11:53 PM3/30/06
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Yea, I just downloaded IE 7 Beta 2 and saw the problem on a sample
page with embeded quicktime. According to the MSDN docs, you can

still automaticaly load an embedded object like quicktime, windows
media, flash, etc. It needs to be loaded through an external
javascript file. The procedures and examples are at:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dh...
http://tinyurl.com/aovax

vPIP is an external javascript that uses one of the procedures
Microsoft provides for automatically embedding. I tested it on IE 7
and it works as in IE 6 and Firefox.

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P.S. I mistakenly entered earlier a response through the google
groups view which doesn't show up on yahoo groups. So if your viewing
through google groups you'll see a prior similar responses.

--- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, T.Whid <twhid@...> wrote:
>
> This is for real, I've been seeing the issue on some MSIE installs but
> can't seem to pin down why some browsers exhibit the 'Click to run an
> ActiveX control on this webpage" alert and some don't. I have tested
> with the exact same versions on different machines and have seen
> different behavior.
>
> Here is Microsoft's official workaround:
> http://tinyurl.com/8ntst
>
> And here's some more info re: timetable etc:
> http://tinyurl.com/rb9lg
>
> Note, it's a problem not only with object tags but also embed tags and
> applet tags. And if users have a certain advanced checkbox unchecked
> (see the first url above) they'll see the alert anyway no matter what
> web page authors do (except force their users to use another browser
> of course).
>
>

> On 3/30/06, Devlon <duthied@...> wrote:

Michael Sullivan

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Enric

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Humm, haven't looked at Ajax. But if it can load the activex control
from an external javascript, it's supposed to work.

-- Enric

--- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Sullivan"


<sulleleven@...> wrote:
>
> and how about this-
>
http://blog.thinkphp.de/archives/43-AJAX-redesign-your-PHP-applications.html
>
>
> On 3/30/06, Enric <enric@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yea, I just downloaded IE 7 Beta 2 and saw the problem on a sample
> > page with embeded quicktime. According to the MSDN docs, you can
> > still automaticaly load an embedded object like quicktime, windows
> > media, flash, etc. It needs to be loaded through an external
> > javascript file. The procedures and examples are at:
> >
> >
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dh...
> > http://tinyurl.com/aovax
> >
> > vPIP is an external javascript that uses one of the procedures
> > Microsoft provides for automatically embedding. I tested it on IE 7
> > and it works as in IE 6 and Firefox.
> >
> > -- Enric
> > -====-
> >
> > P.S. I mistakenly entered earlier a response through the google
> > groups view which doesn't show up on yahoo groups. So if your viewing
> > through google groups you'll see a prior similar responses.
> >

> > --- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, T.Whid <twhid@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This is for real, I've been seeing the issue on some MSIE
installs but
> > > can't seem to pin down why some browsers exhibit the 'Click to
run an
> > > ActiveX control on this webpage" alert and some don't. I have tested
> > > with the exact same versions on different machines and have seen
> > > different behavior.
> > >
> > > Here is Microsoft's official workaround:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/8ntst
> > >
> > > And here's some more info re: timetable etc:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/rb9lg
> > >
> > > Note, it's a problem not only with object tags but also embed
tags and
> > > applet tags. And if users have a certain advanced checkbox
unchecked
> > > (see the first url above) they'll see the alert anyway no matter
what
> > > web page authors do (except force their users to use another browser
> > > of course).
> > >
> > >

> > > On 3/30/06, Devlon <duthied@> wrote:

T.Whid

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Mar 31, 2006, 10:45:41 AM3/31/06
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FYI,

In MSIE 7, the xmlhttprequest object will be built-in:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/01/23/516393.aspx

Enric

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Mar 31, 2006, 11:15:58 AM3/31/06
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Good move, making XMLHTTPRequest a native object of window.

-- Enric

--- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, T.Whid <twhid@...> wrote:
>
> FYI,
>
> In MSIE 7, the xmlhttprequest object will be built-in:
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/01/23/516393.aspx
>

> On 3/31/06, Enric <enric@...> wrote:
> > Humm, haven't looked at Ajax. But if it can load the activex control
> > from an external javascript, it's supposed to work.
> >
> > -- Enric
> >
> > --- In videob...@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Sullivan"

Michael Sullivan

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Mar 31, 2006, 3:58:37 PM3/31/06
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Actually, what we really need is SMIL support.

i  work with SMIL.
if interested you can see SMIL being used to render 'vodcast playlists' on vlogdir.com.
it converts RSS to SMIL, taking only the Quicktime compatible media enclosures (dependent on mime type specified in RSS at the moment) and inserting embedded hyperlinks to the permalinks (click the video).

most vodcasts use quicktime compatible media (especially since the viPod came out) so this helps.  As more people have better compressed mp4 video, i've even noticed buffer issues become less common. 

as much as i think smil is cool.... i'm also preparing an flv vodcast playlist generator, since this is a web based experience. 

sull

T.Whid

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