[UC] Goodbye
Joe Jamison
This is a sad day for me. I am withdrawing from the election, resigning
all offices which I currently hold as well as my membership in the UMCA
which dates from 1986 effective this date.
There have been too many implications by too many people to use legal
action for ?what? My God...it's a bike club...are you crazy?? I
personally don't know of anything that has transpired that would justify
that action, but I'm at the age where I couldn't recover from a
financial penalty if there was one and I can't trust you people to be
reasonable. I've 14 grandchildren who may need my support for college
and the risk isn't fair to them.
Don't bother to flame me or gloat that you finally drummed out one of
Hughes' cronies. I won't be reading it. I'm unsubscribing and I will
NOT take calls, or e-mail from ANY UMCA member. I'm done!
Joe Jamison
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mavis...@hotmail.com
I know Joe won’t be seeing this and I can’t e-mail him since he said he
doesn’t want to hear from any UMCA members.
Well, I’ll say how I felt anyway.
I really felt sorry to see Joe go like that. If I am him, I would only
bow out of the election and probably the offices due to arising
questions about the letter and stick around as long as I know I am being
honest with myself.
I think it’s awful that Joe was feeling the way he did because I know
how hurting it is to cut off all connections.
My personal experience:
When I was about 12, I stopped enjoying being around other deaf people.
For a decade, I am known all over the country (in the deaf world) as
somebody who tends to disappear for months at times. My disappearing
acts inevidently became famous.
Finally, I sort of became a deaf community ghost in 2004 when I stop
forcing myself to visit the deaf community centers and stuff like that.
Over the summer of 2006, the world’s only literal arts university for
the deaf (Gallaudet,) had a strike because they didn’t like the new
university president. They said she was “not deaf enough.” The reasons
are very complicated, but basically she doesn’t share the views of about
95% of the deaf people I know. Riots happened and some illegal things
were done. Finally, the new deaf Gallaudet president resigned. A
different deaf one was arranged and as I last heard, the students were
asking the new president to pardon the illegal things they did.
By that point, I knew that in order to be a better person myself, I will
need to leave the deaf community for real. It hurt because even through
I didn’t like being around them, I still love and care for them. I was
a member of the deaf community for two decades.
I was broken for six weeks after slowly drifting away the last 15 years.
How I felt for six weeks after I deleted three pages of e-mail
addresses is still fresh in my mind.
I can say it is probably feeling much worse for Joe and I am really very
sorry for him.
Joe, I hope you can still enjoy life. Please be well.
Mavis
UMCA
Joe is a good man. He's worked very hard on the JMC and on promoting events. He's given a tremendous amount to this sport.
It is absolutely outrageous that people would express such venom on the listserv that Joe would decide to resign.
Staiger, your malicious posts are a clear example of why RAAM refuses to allow you to officiate. They demonstrate why one year in RAAM your crew dumped all your gear out of the van, drove off and left you. You haven't done squat for the UMCA - and your vicious remarks have driven a fine man out of the UMCA.
Read through UltraCycling since 1998. Do you find any articles by Staiger? Do you find any programs she is helping as a volunteer . . . or even participating in?
I am very saddened that Staiger has driven Joe out of the UMCA; however, I support Joe's decision 100%. I've written him to thank him for all he has done and to let him know that I value our friendship above all. And I am very sorry that comments on the listserv have caused him to resign.
Cordially,
John
This is a sad day for me. I am withdrawing from the election, resigning
all offices which I currently hold as well as my membership in the UMCA
which dates from 1986 effective this date.
There have been too many implications by too many people to use legal
action for ?what? My God...it's a bike club...are you crazy?? I
personally don't know of anything that has transpired that would justify
that action, but I'm at the age where I couldn't recover from a
financial penalty if there was one and I can't trust you people to be
reasonable. I've 14 grandchildren who may need my support for college
and the risk isn't fair to them.
Don't bother to flame me or gloat that you finally drummed out one of
Hughes' cronies. I won't be reading it. I'm unsubscribing and I will
NOT take calls, or e-mail from ANY UMCA member. I'm done!
Joe Jamison
cheers,
John Hughes
Managing Director
UltraMarathon Cycling Association
PO Box 18028
Boulder, CO 80308-1028
dire...@ultracycling.com
www.ultracycling.com
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Anna Catharina Berge
Dear John Hughes.
Shame of you for accusing one member of 'driving' another member out of
UMCA and also publically insulting her. That is totally inappropriate on
this list, as well as on any list serve.
How many members have left the UMCA because of the mismanagement of the
UMCA?
Why do you claim that she has done nothing for others? She has
officiated and supported at least as much as many other ultracyclists.
She was elected by the membership to serve on the board. She has been a
very active board member.
Did Joe say that it was Cindi that drove him out? I beleive not. And if
it was well reknown that Cindi was such a malicious person that you
describe her to be, then why would Joe have been concerned about her
opinions and comments.
Cindi Staiger has been insulted when asking for documents and
information that she has legally right to, and now she is publically
insulted by you.
Please avoid such personal attacks on this list serve.
Cat.
Anna Catharina (Cat) Berge
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Rick Hays
Well to me the posts of a few people have have destroyed the value of this
forum. The constant attacks and the rationalizations have done me in. I
too am unsubscribing and from now on will rely on the Google group for
information about the sport. I will make a parting statement even though
the sides are drawn. I do have my ballot in hand. I won't abstain and then
complain. If my candidates lose I will accept that, as I believe in the
democratic process. This means that the elected board makes decisions and
the director advises and acts. That's the way it is supposed to work. See
you on google. Rick
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mavis...@hotmail.com
John Hughes,
Stuart Nibbelin told all of us to stop making personal attacks. So,
please stop doing that and focus on the arising questions about how UMCA
is governed.
We have lots of angry UMCA members. After the letter, I am now one of
the angry ones too, but I am trying to work in a positive direction. I
suggest you to be a good employee and focus on improving how UMCA should
be ran. Making the election a fair one again should be one of your
priorities.
Please be a gentleman and worth the $25,000 we pay you each year.
Thank you,
Mavis
john foote
Thanks for all your time and effort Joe, You've served well.
I'm done with the negativity of this board and have unsuscribed. You
folks should get your own sandbox since you can't share like nice little
kids. Better yet, get your own Bike Club.
John in Ohio
Joe Jamison wrote:
>
> This is a sad day for me. I am withdrawing from the election, resigning
> all offices which I currently hold as well as my membership in the UMCA
> which dates from 1986 effective this date.
>
> There have been too many implications by too many people to use legal
> action for ?what? My God...it's a bike club...are you crazy?? I
> personally don't know of anything that has transpired that would justify
>
> that action, but I'm at the age where I couldn't recover from a
> financial penalty if there was one and I can't trust you people to be
> reasonable. I've 14 grandchildren who may need my support for college
> and the risk isn't fair to them.
>
> Don't bother to flame me or gloat that you finally drummed out one of
> Hughes' cronies. I won't be reading it. I'm unsubscribing and I will
> NOT take calls, or e-mail from ANY UMCA member. I'm done!
>
> Joe Jamison
John Foote
Troy, Ohio
Anna Catharina Berge
Dear John Hughes.
Shame of you for accusing one member of 'driving' another member out of
UMCA and also publically insulting her. That is totally inappropriate on
this list, as well as on any list serve.
How many members have left the UMCA because of the mismanagement of the
UMCA?
Did Joe say that it was Cindi that drove him out? I beleive not. And if
it was well reknown that Cindi was such a malicious person that you
describe her to be, then why would Joe have been concerned about her
opinions and comments.
Cindi Staiger has been insulted when asking for documents and information
that she has legally right to, and now she is publically insulted by you.
Cindi Staiger has guts and courage to stay on the board, when the whole
mismanagement regarding RAAM purchase was revealed... whereas I and
another board member left in disgust of the procedures... She deserves
credit for staying on the board.
Cat.
> > This is a sad day for me. I am withdrawing from the election,
resigning
> > all offices which I currently hold as well as my membership in the
UMCA
> > which dates from 1986 effective this date.
> >
> > There have been too many implications by too many people to use legal
> > action for ?what? My God...it's a bike club...are you crazy?? I
> > personally don't know of anything that has transpired that would
> justify
> > that action, but I'm at the age where I couldn't recover from a
> > financial penalty if there was one and I can't trust you people to be
> > reasonable. I've 14 grandchildren who may need my support for college
> > and the risk isn't fair to them.
> >
> > Don't bother to flame me or gloat that you finally drummed out one of
> > Hughes' cronies. I won't be reading it. I'm unsubscribing and I will
> > NOT take calls, or e-mail from ANY UMCA member. I'm done!
> >
> > Joe Jamison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> cheers,
> John Hughes
> Managing Director
> UltraMarathon Cycling Association
> PO Box 18028
> Boulder, CO 80308-1028
> dire...@ultracycling.com
> www.ultracycling.com
>
>
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>
>
Michael Beganyi
I've read back through the last week+ of posting and see no references
to legal action. I'm not sure what is meant by both Joe's inference and
John's follow up (which I think is over the line, even for the heated
discussion of this board).
Isn't the BoD covered by insurance provided by the UMCA, in case
something like this, or other legal problems arise? Why would Joe infer
that he is worried about reparations that could affect his grandkids -
all from some heated discussion on an e-List? Is there more to it?
Again, I've gone back through the posts on this list and do not see any
reference to legal action implied or otherwise. I see some folks asking
questions, and I see many heated responses - some polite, some not, some
personal.
John - dragging Cindi into this doesn't jive with the published
responses from her on this list. Joe does not mention her - he uses
'you people'. Your insistence on sticking to the facts seems to falter
here, and I think you crossed the line by straying into how she may or
may not have performed at RAAM and how she may or may not be published
in the UC magazine (of which you are the editor)
Joe was VP and rinning for the board. Where did that 'thick skin' go -
and so suddenly at that.
-Mike
Joe Jamison wrote:
>
> This is a sad day for me. I am withdrawing from the election, resigning
> all offices which I currently hold as well as my membership in the UMCA
> which dates from 1986 effective this date.
>
> There have been too many implications by too many people to use legal
> action for ?what? My God...it's a bike club...are you crazy?? I
> personally don't know of anything that has transpired that would justify
>
> that action, but I'm at the age where I couldn't recover from a
> financial penalty if there was one and I can't trust you people to be
> reasonable. I've 14 grandchildren who may need my support for college
> and the risk isn't fair to them.
>
> Don't bother to flame me or gloat that you finally drummed out one of
> Hughes' cronies. I won't be reading it. I'm unsubscribing and I will
> NOT take calls, or e-mail from ANY UMCA member. I'm done!
>
> Joe Jamison
pma...@yahoo.com
Dave Parker
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I have only posted once before on this site, but feel that I must now. You people act like a bunch of idiots. I teach Jr. High School and the kids are better behaved in their student council than you people are.
You should feel ashamed that you have made it impossible for one of the true gentlemen of the sport to feel like he has to leave. I have known Joe for many years and he has been selfless in his devotion to ultracycling and ultracyclists.
My disappointment is complete.
Dave Meridith
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Bill Dunn
I have only posted once before on this site, but feel that I must now. You people act like a bunch of idiots. I teach Jr. High School and the kids are better behaved in their student council than you
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Bill,
I have to agree. Looking back at how much time I've spent here mucking
through business that could probably be sorted out with some face to
face time and phone calls makes me feel foolish.
I'm pulling the Topica needle out of my arm and focusing on the bike. I
start working with my coach tomorrow. Spring is finally entrenching
itself here in VT and I realized on my century yesterday that this whole
mess isn't worth hashing out through the bits and the bytes over the
internwebs where everyone can be anonymous and shout each other down.
The casualties on all 42 different sides of these issues are sad, and as
a newer member to the UMCA I have to say I'd rather watch the daily
soaps at the laundromat than rehash or contribute to this anymore.
Sorry if I offended folks with my posts (John, Joe, Cindi, Doug, and
others). I tried to behave in a professional and respectful manner - if
my questions seem pointed its because I'm from the outside looking in
and I don't know anyone here personally - and I have no real vested
interest in how this all plays out other than hoping that an
organization that grew out of the race that I saw on ABC when I was a
kid and got me out on a bike gets stronger and becomes a more friendly
helpful place for those that push their cycling to the 'ultra' end of
things.
So - everybody vote. Put some trust in the election and wager your money
on your favorite horse. Work with the incoming board to shape the UMCA
in the image you see fit and get involved... if you (we) don't like
something - work for positive change.
If I can make my schedule work I might finally meet some of you folks at
the ADK 540. I probably won't be on a bike - but maybe I'll do some of
that 'volunteering' I hear can make this stuff work better for everyone
involved.
-Mike Beganyi
Burlington, VT
Bill Dunn wrote:
> (Note: seems like my posts take abt 24 hours to show up, so, just in
> case, this is a little echo of a post this morning:)
>
> I say, calm down folks. We can weather this. There was no guarantee
> given at the start that this list would be perfect. (I don't suppose
> that "The Well" is, do you?)
>
Peter Moffett
Peter