Winter Hill BBC2 analogue QRT schedule.
Graham.
What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
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jamie powell
"Graham." <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen?
> What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off
mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at 00:26.
There was a short period of low power beforehand.
A recording can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PiP07Ye3w
(my capture card misbehaves at the end though).
The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes.
The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48.
I sat through the horrid "BBC North West Tonight" programme yesterday evening,
to see if DSO1 was discussed (it was).
Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 retune
with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, which have already
happened.
Choice quotes:
On-Location Reporter: "...tomorrow they're going to pull out this red link,
and BBC2 analogue won't exist any longer. But that won't worry you, will it,
because you will have already retuned. Please tell me you've done it by now!"
Presenter1: "Yeah, we have! We had the man over this morning."
Presenter2: "My TV did it for me actually."
...and later...
Presenter2: "If you have more than five channels, you don't need to do a
thing".
...oh, and if you have a TV without a SCART socket...
Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview box with
an RSA lead".
jamie powell
"Paul Martin" <p...@nowster.org.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnhf1o...@nowster.eternal-september.org...
> In article <hcqmm2$31l$1...@aioe.org>,
> jamie powell wrote:
>
>> A recording can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PiP07Ye3w
>> (my capture card misbehaves at the end though).
>
>> The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes.
>> The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48.
>
If they just pulled the U link, wouldn't this leave the analogue transmission
still on air, in RBS mode?
Brian Gaff
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Mike Tomlinson
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>What should we expect,
Lots of phone calls from elderly, deaf rellies.
"No, Aunty. Press the DIGITAL button".
"But we always press ANALOGUE and it works"
"Not any more, Aunty. The men who look after the transmitters have made
some big changes. You'll have to press DIGITAL in future"
"Oh. Why didn't anyone tell us?"
I didn't go down the retune route. I'm gonna take the phone off the
hook and hide under the bedclothes.
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Graham.
>> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen?
>> What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
>
> Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at
> 00:26.
> There was a short period of low power beforehand.
>
> A recording can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0PiP07Ye3w
> (my capture card misbehaves at the end though).
>
> The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes.
> The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48.
never mind decode it!
Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier
offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of
a pending update.
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%Profound_observation%
Graham.
"Mike Tomlinson" <mi...@none.invalid> wrote in message news:sTaTjIAT...@none.invalid...
See my previous post.
I'm supposed to know a little about this stuff, and even I have lost
BBC 1 & 2 and whatever else is on the new WH MUX.
If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got?
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%Profound_observation%
Mark Carver
> Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62,
> never mind decode it!
> Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier
> offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of
> a pending update.
Downloadable from here:-
http://www.futaura.co.uk/vestel.html
Click on the '5.7', in the T810 Table
All you need then is an RS232 lead.
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Graham.
"jamie powell" <jami...@excite.com> wrote in message news:hcqmm2$31l$1...@aioe.org...
An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not speak
its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the modern name of
IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee plugs. I am not sure if
a pedant wouldn't correct that to Belling & Lee.
Let's not even mention the pass-through vs. UHF modulator trifle.
Thanks for putting the video on youtube, but what I wanted to see
was the nose when the carrier went off.
On this occasion, a camera pointing at a telly, preferably a mid-sixties
vintage dual-standard set would be appropriate.
That would be the direct analogue to this (pun very much intended)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4
Which no doubt you have seen before. Mind you, it still has a locked
raster at the end, and who's to say it's a genuine off air feed?
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Mike Tomlinson
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got?
My aunt isn't quite so maiden, she cooked me a mean fish pie last night.
Yum.
Even my Mum called me, and she's fiercely independent and highly
intelligent. She had the booklet from Digital TV and couldn't get
anywhere with either of her tellies.
Neither of them were aware of the switchover today. Very, very poorly
publicised IMO.
Nor was my colleague at work, who has watched TV via a bit of coax tied
to the curtain rail for years and years. Said to him just now, "how's
your TV picture?" His reply was "same as ever, excellent, why?" Not
tonight it won't be mate, was my reply. :)
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Graham.
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:7ldfh2F...@mid.individual.net...
> Graham. wrote:
>
>> Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62,
>> never mind decode it!
>> Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier
>> offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of
>> a pending update.
>
> Downloadable from here:-
>
> http://www.futaura.co.uk/vestel.html
>
> Click on the '5.7', in the T810 Table
>
> All you need then is an RS232 lead.
Thanks Mark, that worked a treat on both boxes.
Nice of Bill (not our Bill, the American one), to ship Vista without a
terminal application, and my XP laptop didn't ship with a COM port.
Anyway, I discovered the hypertrm.exe & dll files from XP work
in Vista without any installation.
How on earth is the average punter going to cope with that then?
Has there been an OTA update that I have missed, I doubt it
as they are on 24/7
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%Profound_observation%
jamie powell
> In article <hcqr5k$6vo$1...@aioe.org>,
> jamie powell wrote:
>
>> "Paul Martin" <p...@nowster.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:slrnhf1o...@nowster.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>> If they just pulled the U link, wouldn't this leave the analogue
>> transmission
>> still on air, in RBS mode?
>
Well, turning off a transmitter generally involves a switch, not a U link...
Dave Liquorice
>> Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's
DSO1
>> retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes,
which
>> have already happened.
Which bit of "The Lakes"? The north, served from Calbeck, went last
year but the south is served from Winter Hill...
>> Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a
Freeview
>> box with an RSA lead".
>
> An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not
> speak its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the
> modern name of IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee
> plugs.
Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus
would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a
clue what one of those is.
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Dave.
Mark Carver
>
> How on earth is the average punter going to cope with that then?
Indeed !
> Has there been an OTA update that I have missed, I doubt it
> as they are on 24/7
AIUI it was carried in Nov 2008, but on Mux B, because the problem was
discovered after Selkirk's DSO, and affected Mux 1 (PSB 1) reception in
that area.
Graham.
"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in message news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk...
Most have a male output, usually just pass-through, but a small
proportion do indeed have a modulator.
The ones with only an input tend to be very small form-factor, including
USB sticks and those built into an oversized SCART plug.
I've never seen a DTTV box with a F type, but I would applaud the first
manufacturer to do so
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%Profound_observation%
Bill
Excuse me, but I'm not really up to date with this modern jargon. Does
'very small form-factor' mean 'very small'?
Bill
Graham.
"jamie powell" <jami...@excite.com> wrote in message news:hcsa4j$seb$1...@aioe.org...
Perhaps the transmitter takes matters into its own hands if the sync pulses
disappear. And then there's the small matter of the sound Tx.
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Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Graham.
> USB sticks and those built into an oversized SCART plug.
>
> Excuse me, but I'm not really up to date with this modern jargon. Does
> 'very small form-factor' mean 'very small'?
I suppose I asked for that :-)
Yes.
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Dave Liquorice
>> Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus
>> would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a
>> clue what one of those is.
>
> In Sainsburys this evening I saw one that's just larger than a pack of
> cards and has only sockets for power, RF in and RF out, and an IR
> extension. No SCART socket.
Fairy nuff. Engaging brain most would need RF in and RF out to loop
the signal to other devices, a modulator would be optional though.
Can't say I'm paying all the much attention to DTTV we aren't down
for DSO until 2012 and even then I probably won't bother with it
unless the technical quality improves a massive amount (oink flap).
Might get a box as a standby in case the dish gets blown off the
house.
If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number
display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
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Graham.
"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in message news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk...
Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco.
Grundig Freesat boxes too.
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%Profound_observation%
Dave Liquorice
>> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number
>> display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
>
> Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco.
> Grundig Freesat boxes too.
Yeah, now read the question again, properly.
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Dave.
Richard W. Jones
about the Long Mountain switchover (BBC2 carrier lost 1:01.50), the
presenter then said that not everything had gone according to plan and
that viewers from Winter Hill were watching BBC Wales Today instead of
their usual BBC regional news. Any ideas what happened?
SpamTrapSeeSig
Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> writes
>If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display
>on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
You might not find one: the commercial aspects would dictate if there's
a decent display nearby (?) it's not worth putting expensive components
on the box itself.
This prompts the thought: is there any metadata in the SP-DIF datastream
you might use?
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The post DSO transmission powers are such that in overlap areas
(Manchester is a prime example) digital receivers are often finding the
'wrong' transmissions before the 'correct' ones, resulting in the wrong
regions being assigned Chs 1,2,3 etc, and the intended regions being
pushed to Ch 8**. Particularly when the out of region transmitters are
lower in the UHF band, than the local ones.
Woody
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May be wrong but I think the Humax FoxT2 has such.
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Mike Tomlinson
>and even I have lost
>BBC 1 & 2 and whatever else is on the new WH MUX.
Retuned my Mum's Inverto IDL 7000 PVR last night and it won't pick up
the new BBC1 and 2 mux (is it 62?). Other boxes seem ok.
What do I do now? The firmware in the Inverto hasn't been updated for
years.
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Dave Liquorice
> You might not find one: the commercial aspects would dictate if there's
> a decent display nearby (?) it's not worth putting expensive components
> on the box itself.
Quite possibly, I've yet to find one that has a display but more
often than not you have to go by the picture on the box as the one on
display isn't powered up.
As for no channel display on TVs or set top boxes it annoys me as 1)
you have to press a button to find out what channel you are one 2) if
gives the broadcasters a (weak) excuse to use DOGs.
> This prompts the thought: is there any metadata in the SP-DIF datastream
> you might use?
I was just going to grab the audio from the SCART, probably into some
old PC speakers...
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Mike Tomlinson
Martin <p...@nowster.org.uk> writes
>Yes, Moel-y-Parc on E45 is a good enough signal in some parts of the
>Northwest that it is being chosen by boxes in preference to Winter
>Hill's BBC A MUX on E62. (A rescan will encounter the M-y-P signal
>first.)
What's on E28? Picked up BBC1 and 2 this morning on that, but too
corrupt/weak a signal to be watchable. My box (Inverto 7000) paused on
62 for a think but rejected it.
--
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larkim
> In article <hcs0g0$61...@news.eternal-september.org>, Graham.
Don't know if this is relevant, but I tried to rescan my Thomson
DHD4000 between about 6pm and 8.30pm last night and couldn't "see"
Ch62 (hence no BBC etc), despite my Panasonic TV and DTT card in the
PC both returning successfully. However, at about 10pm last night I
rescanned again and Ch62 mux was found successfully so all BBC was
restored. I'm a decent distance away, but have flawless WH reception
(have had for a number of years), so signal strength certainly
shouldn't have been a problem. I can't think of anything which would
account for this other than some freaky weather?
Matt
a i
wrote:
>
> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number
> display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave.
Can't think of a current one but maybe a shop somewhere has a
Wharfedale dv832 or Humax fox-T gathering dust, they both have channel
displays. I recently bought a Digihome ( Vestel) 80GB PVR from ebuyer
for 40 quid which also has a channel display. More functionality than
you need but not terribly expensive.
Ian Jackson
<harro...@ntlworld.spam.com> writes
>"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in
>message
>>
>> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number
>> display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
>
>May be wrong but I think the Humax FoxT2 has such.
>
You're not wrong, It has (and a modulator too).
I don't know if they're still available, but they weren't cheap -
typically �55.
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a i
<ianREMOVETHISjack...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I don't know if they're still available, but they weren't cheap -
> typically £55.
> --
> Ian
As noted on this group a few weeks back Misco have been selling
'refurb' Humax Fox-Ts for 20 quid, none in stock now :-/. Maybe worth
keeping an eye on teh site as sometimes more stock turns up.
Graham.
>
>>> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number
>>> display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
>>
>> Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco.
>> Grundig Freesat boxes too.
>
> Yeah, now read the question again, properly.
Wasn't intended to be an answer Dave. Just making conversation.
I had just been to my all-night Tesco for a bread in the Granada
region post ASO1 and noticed the timely promotion.
Bread wouldn't scan on the self-checkout. Operative came to help and went
away, when I pressed the "finish & pay button" it said my purchase required
autherisation (for a loaf?) At that point I lost patience, left the bread and walked.
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Woody
It may be that BBC has moved from 2K to 8K but with a retune the
box may still be looking for 2K.
A software hard reset should cure the problem. Anyone tried that?
Ian Jackson
<harro...@ntlworld.spam.com> writes
>Talking to someone in the know about lost channels today.
>
>It may be that BBC has moved from 2K to 8K but with a retune the
>box may still be looking for 2K.
>
>A software hard reset should cure the problem. Anyone tried that?
>
But do all STBs have a software hard reset?
Incidentally, there was an item on today's BBC R4 'You and Yours' (21m
27s to 26m 15s).
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00njb1t/You_and_Yours_05_11_2009/>
Digital UK's spokesman, John Askew, got himself well tied in up knots,
having said yesterday that you could even make a pre-war TV set work
with a set-top box!
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Bill
Can't get 'em no more, worse luck. And yes, it has. I use one as a radio
tuner.
Bill
Bill
Yes, what a pity they wasted valuable time rambling on about that.
Bill
Dave Liquorice
> Labgear FV300 and FV400 have a display but cannot determine what it
> displays!
I found a manual for the FV300 online no mention of a display. The
FV400 does have a display and in it's manual it says:
"LED DISPLAY: Used to display the time or channel information"
Anyway this has taken a step down the priority level since I found
the Sky, bless their cotton sock, have now locked (at least old)
"Freesat from Sky" cards to the box they are in so you can't shuffle
them about to get the regionalisation and Ch4 etc correct in multiple
boxes.
I might have sprung another £20 for a new card but as the proposed
changes to the avaliable channels hardly affected us I wasn't going
to bother. I'll definately not be jumping through hoops to get two
cards and cough up £40.
So I'll be looking at Freesat boxes with twin Rx's and HD/DVD record
facilties.
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Phil Cook
>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:25:04 +0000, brightside S9 wrote:
>
>> Labgear FV300 and FV400 have a display but cannot determine what it
>> displays!
>
>I found a manual for the FV300 online no mention of a display. The
>FV400 does have a display and in it's manual it says:
>
>"LED DISPLAY: Used to display the time or channel information"
Manuals available in PDF form here
http://www.chsinteractive.co.uk/pdf_data/FV300.pdf
http://www.chsinteractive.co.uk/pdf_data/FV400.pdf
The 400 is the one with the display as shown in the illustration in
the 400's manual. Some sellers may be illustrating both boxes with the
400 causing confusion. But if you want a display get a 400.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
Secondhand, the old OnDigital boxes - various manufacturers - have a
channel number display, and modulators. And survived the last retune
with the split table. And have more buttons on them than most more
recent boxes (OK, you may have to leave subtitles on to keep the front
panel buttons working, but that shouldn't matter if you only want it as
a radio!). You don't seem to see them often though!
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Mark Carver
> Secondhand, the old OnDigital boxes - various manufacturers - have a
> channel number display, and modulators. And survived the last retune
> with the split table. And have more buttons on them than most more
> recent boxes (OK, you may have to leave subtitles on to keep the front
> panel buttons working, but that shouldn't matter if you only want it as
> a radio!). You don't seem to see them often though!
They are rendered useless by the switch to 8k COFDM at DSO, so to date are now
no use in the Westcountry, Border, SW and North Wales, and Granada areas.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
<address@replyto_is_not.invalid> writes:
>On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:37:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[]
>>>>"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in
>>>>message
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number
>>>>> display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
>>Secondhand, the old OnDigital boxes - various manufacturers - have a
>>channel number display, and modulators. And survived the last retune
>>with the split table. And have more buttons on them than most more
>I have an old Pace DTR 730 on dodgy box, remote and manual for free,
>since Winter Hill DSO has rendered it useless!
Ah. I didn't know anything that had happened so far rendered the old
things useless. Do you know what change in what is being broadcast has
had this effect? (And "useless" in what way - totally, or just channels
on wrong numbers or something like that?)
>
>It has a channel display
>
>It is available for pick up in east Preston area if anyone wanting it
>should be passing by (on the M6).
>
> The "reply to" email address to this post is valid.
Scott
news:hcqc52$lst$1...@news.eternal-september.org 嚙踝蕭嚙踝蕭嚙篇...
> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen?
> What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
> --
> Graham.
>
> %Profound_observation%
>
I am receiving the signals from South Yorkshire in Sheffield. Is this
transmitter also included in this DSO?
Scott
Graham.
"Scott" <NoSpam-...@GMail.com> wrote in message news:7llfrlF...@mid.individual.net...
> "Graham." <m...@privacy.net> �b�l�� --<<< What's this, Yorkshire dialect?
> news:hcqc52$lst$1...@news.eternal-september.org �����g... --<<<there it is again!
>> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen?
>> What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
>> --
>> Graham.
>>
>> %Profound_observation%
>>
>
> I am receiving the signals from South Yorkshire in Sheffield. Is this transmitter also included in this DSO?
>
> Scott
You're a forigner, from 'tuther side o' Pennines. Probebly
on Emily Moor or somesutch.
By the way, I learned a little bit of trivia last night,
Apparantly the fan-fare that goes with the YTV logo
is based on "On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at"
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Bill
news:7llfrlF...@mid.individual.net...
> "Graham." <m...@privacy.net> �b�l�� --<<< What's this, Yorkshire dialect?
> news:hcqc52$lst$1...@news.eternal-september.org �����g... --<<<there it is
> again!
>> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen?
>> What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier
>> cut?
>> --
>> Graham.
>>
>> %Profound_observation%
>>
>
> I am receiving the signals from South Yorkshire in Sheffield. Is this
> transmitter also included in this DSO?
Do you mean you are in Sheffield or what?
>By the way, I learned a little bit of trivia last night,
Apparantly the fan-fare that goes with the YTV logo
is based on "On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at"
We realised that the first time we heard it!
Bill
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Zero Tolerance
<G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Secondhand, the old OnDigital boxes - various manufacturers - have a
>channel number display, and modulators. And survived the last retune
>with the split table.
And display some sarky message about your box being too old, if you
want to use any "red button" nonsense, and will also die at the very
moment of digital switchover in any given area, as none of them are 8k
compatible. :(
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<p...@nowster.org.uk> writes:
>In article <GirA+SoQ...@soft255.demon.co.uk>,
> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> writes:
>
>>>I have an old Pace DTR 730 on dodgy box, remote and manual for free,
>>>since Winter Hill DSO has rendered it useless!
>
>> Ah. I didn't know anything that had happened so far rendered the old
>> things useless. Do you know what change in what is being broadcast has
>> had this effect? (And "useless" in what way - totally, or just channels
>> on wrong numbers or something like that?)
>
>
Ah, I didn't know DSO was also coming with 8k (I knew the old dears
couldn't manage 8k). Are they doing a phased switchover?
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Graham.
"Bill" <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote in message news:SKedndK9OLL5PmjX...@pipex.net...
SWMBO and I were wondering if her late father, a Yorkshire man
in exile, realised it. I suppose we will never know.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Scott
>> I am receiving the signals from South Yorkshire in Sheffield. Is this
>> transmitter also included in this DSO?
>
> Do you mean you are in Sheffield or what?
>
>
Yes, I am and the TV showed South Yorkshire transmitter/network.
Mark Carver
> Ah, I didn't know DSO was also coming with 8k (I knew the old dears
> couldn't manage 8k). Are they doing a phased switchover?
Well yes !
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch
J. P. Gilliver (John)
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
>> Ah, I didn't know DSO was also coming with 8k (I knew the old dears
>>couldn't manage 8k). Are they doing a phased switchover?
>
>Well yes !
>
>http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch
>
doing those).
Mark Carver
> In message <7lnif2F...@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
> <mark....@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I didn't know DSO was also coming with 8k (I knew the old dears
>>> couldn't manage 8k). Are they doing a phased switchover?
>>
>> Well yes !
>>
>> http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch
>>
> Sorry, I meant during the one-month transition (assuming they're still
> doing those).
Ah, yes, the first DSO stage where BBC 2 analogue vanishes, also sees the 2k
low power version of Mux 1 convert to high power 8k. Then a month later, the
remaining analogue channels go, and the remaining muxes go to high power and 8k.
Although it's all rather unclear about Mux B. It seems that in the already
DSO'd regions the PSB 3/BBC B mux, that was emptied of all SD services on Oct
27th (BBC i on Ch 302 being the last to go), has now been switched off at all
transmitter sites ? It is of course due for conversion to DVB-T2/HD, but
according to information on the UK Digital websites, and the Freeview postcode
checker database the only post DSO transmitter this year to carry a DVB-T2
carrier will be Winter Hill (and not even any of its relays)?
I assume that these transmitters will slowly have DVB-T2 rolled out to them
early in 2010, around the same time as the five temporary transmissions on a
7th mux in pre DSO regions from CP, Lichfield, Emley, Pontop, and Black H launch ?
Of course Mux B at pre DSO locations is totally unaffected, and remains in use
for BBC4, CBeebies, Parliament, 301, and BBC radio.
Bill
Phil Cook
No this one is only Granadaland on the West side of the hills.
Bill Wright will be able to explain the complicated ramifications of
DTTV reception in Sheffield but suffice to say you aren't being
switched over just yet. So all those folk who want DTTV now and can't
get Emley or Belmont will have to wait a bit.
Bill
> Apparantly the fan-fare that goes with the YTV logo
> is based on "On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at"
>
> We realised that the first time we heard it!
>
> Bill
>SWMBO and I were wondering if her late father, a Yorkshire man
>in exile, realised it. I suppose we will never know.
Hold a seance. "We have this very important question for you . . ."
Bill
jamie powell
>
>>SWMBO and I were wondering if her late father, a Yorkshire man
>>in exile, realised it. I suppose we will never know.
>
>
> Hold a seance. "We have this very important question for you . . ."
You won't get an answer, because when someone's dead, they're dead.
fader...@live.co.uk
> Of course Mux B at pre DSO locations is totally unaffected, and remains
> in use for BBC4, CBeebies, Parliament, 301, and BBC radio.
How crap do the BBC channels look where they're all squashed on PSB1?
Bill
Blimey, I never knew that. Good job you're here Jamie, to teach us the
flaming obvious.
Bill
jamie powell
A lot of morons can't seem to grasp this simple fact for themselves.
You, for one, have previously stated that you believed in an afterlife.
Mark Carver
Dunno, not seen for myself any PSB 1 pictures for real yet.
Remember there's 6 Mb/s more pay load on PSB 1 than on Mux 1 owing to the use
of 64QAM, so I'd imagine the net result is they look no worse (or better) than
Mux 1.
Ian Jelf
<mark....@invalid.invalid> writes
>I assume that these transmitters will slowly have DVB-T2 rolled out to
>them early in 2010, around the same time as the five temporary
>transmissions on a 7th mux in pre DSO regions from CP, Lichfield,
>Emley, Pontop, and Black H launch ?
Is it *really* Lichfield, as opposed to Sutton Coldfield? (Serious
question, not being pedantic.)
--
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Birmingham, UK
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http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk
Now blogging in "The World According to Ian Jelf" at
http://ianjelf.blogspot.com
Mark Carver
> In message <7lo72lF...@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
> <mark....@invalid.invalid> writes
>> I assume that these transmitters will slowly have DVB-T2 rolled out to
>> them early in 2010, around the same time as the five temporary
>> transmissions on a 7th mux in pre DSO regions from CP, Lichfield,
>> Emley, Pontop, and Black H launch ?
>
> Is it *really* Lichfield, as opposed to Sutton Coldfield? (Serious
> question, not being pedantic.)
Yep, UHF Ch34 4kW ERP. I assume there's not mast space available at SC, and
what with the temporary mast currently there to enable DSO work, it's less
fuss to use Lichfield.
jamie powell
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7lq2khF...@mid.individual.net...
> fader...@live.co.uk wrote:
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>> Of course Mux B at pre DSO locations is totally unaffected, and remains in
>>> use for BBC4, CBeebies, Parliament, 301, and BBC radio.
>>
>> How crap do the BBC channels look where they're all squashed on PSB1?
>
> Dunno, not seen for myself any PSB 1 pictures for real yet.
>
> Remember there's 6 Mb/s more pay load on PSB 1 than on Mux 1 owing to the
> use of 64QAM, so I'd imagine the net result is they look no worse (or
> better) than Mux 1.
Yep, they still look horrible.
Bill
Since I haven't believed in an afterlife since I was about 8, it must have
been a very old message you saw. Could you find it and quote it for me? I'd
be interested.
My view is that those who believe should be left alone, as long as their
belief doesn't cause them to interfere with other people's lives.
At your age though, I was a militant and agressive atheist -- a totally
obnoxious little prat in fact.
Bill
jamie powell
>
> Since I haven't believed in an afterlife since I was about 8, it must have
> been a very old message you saw. Could you find it and quote it for me? I'd
> be interested.
Well... on 18/08/09 you stated:
"Evolution includes a mechanism for assisting the genes of an organism's
close relatives to succeed. So it could be that the ability to haunt
predators (with the advantage of being just a plasma, and thus invulnerable
to physical attack) would develop."
...which comes pretty close.
> My view is that those who believe should be left alone, as long as their
> belief doesn't cause them to interfere with other people's lives.
What's with the seance references then?
> At your age though, I was a militant and agressive atheist -- a totally
> obnoxious little prat in fact.
Glad I wasn't at school with you.
Bill
news:IP6dnbhWQ67ktmXX...@pipex.net...
>
> Since I haven't believed in an afterlife since I was about 8, it must have
> been a very old message you saw. Could you find it and quote it for me?
> I'd
> be interested.
Well... on 18/08/09 you stated:
"Evolution includes a mechanism for assisting the genes of an organism's
close relatives to succeed. So it could be that the ability to haunt
predators (with the advantage of being just a plasma, and thus invulnerable
to physical attack) would develop."
...which comes pretty close.
Surely you can see that I was playing with the idea? Saying 'it could be'
hardly equates to firm faith or belief. You didn't really think I was
turning into Doris Stokes did you?
> My view is that those who believe should be left alone, as long as their
> belief doesn't cause them to interfere with other people's lives.
>What's with the seance references then?
Oh for goodness sake Jamie, don't you ever say anything for a laugh? When I
was a kid we often used to have 'seances'. It was hilarious, and a pretty
good way of getting the lasses into a dark room.
> At your age though, I was a militant and agressive atheist -- a totally
> obnoxious little prat in fact.
>Glad I wasn't at school with you.
If we had it would be fortunate if we'd been close friends, because
otherwise we would have spoilt another couple.
Bill
jamie powell
> >
> > Well... on 18/08/09 you stated:
> >
> > "Evolution includes a mechanism for assisting the genes of an organism's
> > close relatives to succeed. So it could be that the ability to haunt
> > predators (with the advantage of being just a plasma, and thus
> > invulnerable
> > to physical attack) would develop."
> >
> > ...which comes pretty close.
> >
> >
> Surely you can see that I was playing with the idea?
You so weren't. You were being serious.
> Saying 'it could be'
> hardly equates to firm faith or belief. You didn't really think I was
> turning into Doris Stokes did you?
You didn't really think I thought that did you?
> >What's with the seance references then?
>
> Oh for goodness sake Jamie, don't you ever say anything for a laugh? When I
> was a kid we often used to have 'seances'. It was hilarious, and a pretty
> good way of getting the lasses into a dark room.
weirdo.
> >Glad I wasn't at school with you.
>
> If we had it would be fortunate if we'd been close friends, because
> otherwise we would have spoilt another couple.
huh?
Richard W. Jones
> "Bill" <wrightsaeri...@f2s.com> wrote in message
Ha ha ha ha haaa! Oh boy, I'm glad I wasn't at school with you. I
reckon most people on here are also glad that *they* weren't! This
group used to be a pleasant place for like-minded people, until you
decided to come along and pissed in the whisky.
Bill
> was a kid we often used to have 'seances'. It was hilarious, and a pretty
> good way of getting the lasses into a dark room.
>weirdo.
Jamie, trying to get girls into dark rooms when you're a teenager is not
wierd.
> >Glad I wasn't at school with you.
>
> If we had it would be fortunate if we'd been close friends, because
> otherwise we would have spoilt another couple.
>huh?
OK. When you encounter a couple in a relationship and they are both horrid
people, the saying is, 'They'd spoil another couple'. It means that if they
hadn't found each other they would between them have made two other innocent
people unhappy.
Bill
jamie powell
> >When I
>> was a kid we often used to have 'seances'. It was hilarious, and a pretty
>> good way of getting the lasses into a dark room.
>
>>weirdo.
>
> Jamie, trying to get girls into dark rooms when you're a teenager is not
> wierd.
It'd get you arrested nowadays at any age.
I can see that it would've be considered humourous in the context of certain
historical eras, but it's still creepy behaviour, highly befitting of 'Beavis
and Butthead' types (socially-isolated lamers who can't pull chicks).
> OK. When you encounter a couple in a relationship and they are both horrid
> people, the saying is, 'They'd spoil another couple'. It means that if they
> hadn't found each other they would between them have made two other innocent
> people unhappy.
Speak for yourself. Scott's not unhappy with me :p
jamie powell
"Richard W. Jones" <ric...@menwithhill.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ha ha ha ha haaa! Oh boy, I'm glad I wasn't at school with you. I
> reckon most people on here are also glad that *they* weren't! This
> group used to be a pleasant place for like-minded people, until you
> decided to come along and pissed in the whisky.
A very weak form of personal attack - you'll have to do way better than that
if you're to offend me. Best stick to trainspotting instead I reckon.
Bill
> wierd.
>It'd get you arrested nowadays at any age.
Au contraire mon fr�re, my various teenage friends tell me that such
behaviour is de rigeur in all classes of teenage society. Also that the
birds very often make the running these days. . . .
(Eee I've come over all linguistic, like. Better that than esurient though.
Jamie you won't get the reference, but don't worry)
>I can see that it would've be considered humourous in the context of
>certain
historical eras,
What's that love? You've lost me. Ohh, snogging in the dark? No, it's always
gone on. Sit in the youth club telling the lasses that the local churchyard
is haunted, and that at the stroke of midnight the air becomes chilled and
then a moment later a ghost appears and dances on a tomb.Teenage lasses
can't contain their curiousity often as not, so when you offer to take them
to the churchyard at midnight they generally fall for it. Of course at
midnight you give a theatrical shiver and she says "Ohh, it has gone cold
hasn't it? You pull her towards you and enfold her in your duffle coat.
"Would you like to feel my ectoplasm?"
(Eee I've come over all Mills and Boone now! Whatever's wrong with me
today?)
> OK. When you encounter a couple in a relationship and they are both horrid
> people, the saying is, 'They'd spoil another couple'. It means that if
> they
> hadn't found each other they would between them have made two other
> innocent
> people unhappy.
>Speak for yourself. Scott's not unhappy with me :p
Big sigh. I was jokingly saying we were both annoying little twats at
school. Oh, never mind. It would be easier to train a monkey (another
allusion you might not be familiar with).
Bill
jamie powell
>
> Au contraire mon fr�re, my various teenage friends tell me that such
> behaviour is de rigeur in all classes of teenage society. Also that the
> birds very often make the running these days. . . .
No self-respecting teenager would touch you with a barge pole, which says a
lot about the ones that allegedly do. I think you're making things up again
here though.
> (Eee I've come over all linguistic, like. Better that than esurient though.
> Jamie you won't get the reference, but don't worry)
aw well, I'm sure it makes sense on "planet Bill Wright".
> What's that love? You've lost me. Ohh, snogging in the dark? No, it's always
> gone on.
Ah yes, as usual you've moved the goalposts. Previously you were claiming to
have touched them up in the dark while pretending it was a ghost, basically as
an excuse to touch girls without being caught.
Now you've changed it to the far less creepy behaviour of snogging (which
would of course require mutual consent), after having realised how pervy you
sounded the first time no doubt. :p
> Sit in the youth club telling the lasses that the local churchyard
> is haunted, and that at the stroke of midnight the air becomes chilled and
> then a moment later a ghost appears and dances on a tomb.Teenage lasses
> can't contain their curiousity often as not, so when you offer to take them
> to the churchyard at midnight they generally fall for it. Of course at
> midnight you give a theatrical shiver and she says "Ohh, it has gone cold
> hasn't it? You pull her towards you and enfold her in your duffle coat.
> "Would you like to feel my ectoplasm?"
> (Eee I've come over all Mills and Boone now! Whatever's wrong with me
> today?)
See above - you've changed your story and are now wasting bandwidth with
pointless blather to try and gloss over your previous confessions.
>> OK. When you encounter a couple in a relationship and they are both horrid
>> people, the saying is, 'They'd spoil another couple'. It means that if
>> they
>> hadn't found each other they would between them have made two other
>> innocent
>> people unhappy.
>
>>Speak for yourself. Scott's not unhappy with me :p
>
> Big sigh. I was jokingly saying we were both annoying little twats at
> school. Oh, never mind. It would be easier to train a monkey (another
> allusion you might not be familiar with).
Again, you didn't come across as if you were joking. If you genuinely were,
then this is another instance of poor articulation on your part.
Perhaps if you knew how to use emoticons to overcome the limitations of
textual communication like everyone else does, it'd help you in situations
like this.
It's a shame that you instead resort to insulting others, to draw attention
away from your own shortcomings in this area.
Bill
> behaviour is de rigeur in all classes of teenage society. Also that the
> birds very often make the running these days. . . .
>No self-respecting teenager would touch you with a barge pole, which says a
>
lot about the ones that allegedly do. I think you're making things up again
here though.
Jamie, are you thick or what? What are you on about here? Have you lost the
plot?
> (Eee I've come over all linguistic, like. Better that than esurient
> though.
> Jamie you won't get the reference, but don't worry)
>aw well, I'm sure it makes sense on "planet Bill Wright".
Certainly does.
> What's that love? You've lost me. Ohh, snogging in the dark? No, it's
> always
> gone on.
>Ah yes, as usual you've moved the goalposts. Previously you were claiming
>to
have touched them up in the dark while pretending it was a ghost, basically
as
an excuse to touch girls without being caught.
Now you've changed it to the far less creepy behaviour of snogging (which
would of course require mutual consent), after having realised how pervy you
sounded the first time no doubt. :p
Sorry Jamie, but you're sounding like the RAF types in Armstrong and Miller.
> Sit in the youth club telling the lasses that the local churchyard
> is haunted, and that at the stroke of midnight the air becomes chilled and
> then a moment later a ghost appears and dances on a tomb.Teenage lasses
> can't contain their curiousity often as not, so when you offer to take
> them
> to the churchyard at midnight they generally fall for it. Of course at
> midnight you give a theatrical shiver and she says "Ohh, it has gone cold
> hasn't it? You pull her towards you and enfold her in your duffle coat.
> "Would you like to feel my ectoplasm?"
> (Eee I've come over all Mills and Boone now! Whatever's wrong with me
> today?)
>See above - you've changed your story and are now wasting bandwidth with
pointless blather to try and gloss over your previous confessions.
You're completely demented.
>> OK. When you encounter a couple in a relationship and they are both
>> horrid
>> people, the saying is, 'They'd spoil another couple'. It means that if
>> they
>> hadn't found each other they would between them have made two other
>> innocent
>> people unhappy.
>
>>Speak for yourself. Scott's not unhappy with me :p
>
> Big sigh. I was jokingly saying we were both annoying little twats at
> school. Oh, never mind. It would be easier to train a monkey (another
> allusion you might not be familiar with).
>Again, you didn't come across as if you were joking. If you genuinely were,
>
then this is another instance of poor articulation on your part.
My articulation is affected by arthritis. The problem here though, is your
comprehension.
>Perhaps if you knew how to use emoticons to overcome the limitations of
textual communication like everyone else does, it'd help you in situations
like this.
Only geniuses like you can figure out emoticans.
Bill
jamie powell
*snip* because i'm bored now. (but i'm still right and you're still wrong).
btw, have you ever tested the Antiference TC10 UHF aerial?
I have a group C/D one rigged up temporarily here (clamped to the balcony
fence), and it seems to be rubbish.
Bill
Righto
>btw, have you ever tested the Antiference TC10 UHF aerial?
I have a group C/D one rigged up temporarily here (clamped to the balcony
fence), and it seems to be rubbish.
Used thousands of them, but don't use them now because the build quality has
become poor. They work well.
Bill
jamie powell
>
> >btw, have you ever tested the Antiference TC10 UHF aerial?
> > I have a group C/D one rigged up temporarily here (clamped to the balcony
> > fence), and it seems to be rubbish.
>
> Used thousands of them, but don't use them now because the build quality has
> become poor. They work well.
You've used the group C/D one?
This one seems to favour UHF 39 -> 59 which is, of course, not its intended
channel grouping.
My big high-gain Maxview C/D aerial pwns it.
I also never see the TC10 on people's houses, which says alot.
Bill
news:MpudnYI54Zzd4WbX...@pipex.net...
>
> >btw, have you ever tested the Antiference TC10 UHF aerial?
> > I have a group C/D one rigged up temporarily here (clamped to the
> > balcony
> > fence), and it seems to be rubbish.
>
> Used thousands of them, but don't use them now because the build quality
> has
> become poor. They work well.
>You've used the group C/D one?
Hundreds of them.
>This one seems to favour UHF 39 -> 59 which is, of course, not its intended
>
channel grouping.
Sure it's a CD? I've always found the TC10 and TC18CD has peaked at about
ch65. Useless below ch 46.
>I also never see the TC10 on people's houses, which says alot.
It says a lot about Anti's crap marketing! The production people must be
very frustrated. The trouble with this market is that consumer ignorance is
rife, so installers buy shite aerials just because they look good.
Bill
jamie powell
>
> Sure it's a CD? I've always found the TC10 and TC18CD has peaked at about
> ch65. Useless below ch 46.
err... yes.. it's a C/D... It even has ickle green plastic bits each end.
happy?
> It says a lot about Anti's crap marketing! The production people must be
> very frustrated. The trouble with this market is that consumer ignorance is
> rife, so installers buy shite aerials just because they look good.
Most aerials are of the very common bog standard type which I needn't bother
to describe - nothing that looks particularly "good". (Does any aerial look
"good" to normal people?)
Anyway, imho this aerial is so lame and manifestly inadequate, that if you
really have installed hundreds of them, it suggests either a recent design
modification to the aerials, or a lack of competence on your part.
Graham.
"jamie powell" <jami...@excite.com> wrote in message news:hdi0dg$apf$1...@aioe.org...
>
> "Bill" <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote in message news:yLmdneYst6Q1FmbX...@pipex.net...
>
>>
>> Sure it's a CD? I've always found the TC10 and TC18CD has peaked at about
>> ch65. Useless below ch 46.
>
> err... yes.. it's a C/D... It even has ickle green plastic bits each end. happy?
>
>
>> It says a lot about Anti's crap marketing! The production people must be
>> very frustrated. The trouble with this market is that consumer ignorance is
>> rife, so installers buy shite aerials just because they look good.
>
> Most aerials are of the very common bog standard type which I needn't bother to describe - nothing that looks particularly "good".
> (Does any aerial look "good" to normal people?)
"It looks good. It looks the business. It works. Your neighbours will come knocking on your door to watch TV"
Three guesses which aerial Martin Pickering of Satcure was talking about.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Bill
>Anyway, imho this aerial is so lame and manifestly inadequate, that if you
competence on your part.
Your experience is of one sample in one location. For you to reach firm
conclusions based on this rather small data base, and then confidently make
the assertion above on that basis, suggests to me that you are either a
complete nutter or you are trying to wind me up.
Bill
jamie powell
How rude! Send 'im down. He will hang tomorrow at sunrise.
Court staff: "yes, your honour". [they yank your chains and off you go.]
johnwright
> In message <2HGIm.26709$6O1....@newsfe08.ams2>, Woody
> <harro...@ntlworld.spam.com> writes
>> Talking to someone in the know about lost channels today.
>>
>> It may be that BBC has moved from 2K to 8K but with a retune the
>> box may still be looking for 2K.
>>
>> A software hard reset should cure the problem. Anyone tried that?
>>
>
> But do all STBs have a software hard reset?
>
> Incidentally, there was an item on today's BBC R4 'You and Yours' (21m
> 27s to 26m 15s).
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00njb1t/You_and_Yours_05_11_2009/>
> Digital UK's spokesman, John Askew, got himself well tied in up knots,
> having said yesterday that you could even make a pre-war TV set work
> with a set-top box!
>
> Yes, what a pity they wasted valuable time rambling on about that.
I presume he meant one working to 405 line standard. I remember the
surprise when the Museum of Photography (IIRC) attempted to make and
replay a 405 line recording on a VHS system and finding it worked.
--
I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore
?John Wright
Mark Carver
> I presume he meant one working to 405 line standard. I remember the
> surprise when the Museum of Photography (IIRC) attempted to make and
> replay a 405 line recording on a VHS system and finding it worked.
It shouldn't have surprised them, VHS is only really concerned with video
field rate, which for 405 lines was the same as 625, 50 fields/sec.
jamie powell
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> johnwright > wrote:
>
>> I presume he meant one working to 405 line standard. I remember the
>> surprise when the Museum of Photography (IIRC) attempted to make and replay
>> a 405 line recording on a VHS system and finding it worked.
>
> It shouldn't have surprised them, VHS is only really concerned with video
> field rate, which for 405 lines was the same as 625, 50 fields/sec.
Some newer VHS decks don't work, apparently.
And on all decks, tape dropouts would look worse on 405 lines because the
dropout compensator is timed for the 625 line system.
Does anyone here still have a 405 line receiver btw?
Bill
Got a Sony 9-9OUB. I bought it direct from Sony on the day before the first
moon landing.
Bill
Graham.
"Bill" <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote in message news:uLadnUfWttz302LX...@pipex.net...
> >Does anyone here still have a 405 line receiver btw?
>
> Got a Sony 9-9OUB. I bought it direct from Sony on the day before the first
> moon landing.
I had a Perdeo Portorama
http://www.thevalvepage.com/tv/perdio/portorama/portorama.htm
until a few years ago.
As you will know, it was very popular with caravan
and boat dwellers.
Collectors item now.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
jamie powell
>
> Got a Sony 9-9OUB. I bought it direct from Sony on the day before the first
> moon landing.
Send it here, and you can have a picture of me. just one though.
Bill
Hang on. Jamie, do you believe me?
Bill
jamie powell
*shrugs* yeah... it's only when you're making those high and mighty (by your
standards) claims of yours that I don't believe you.
Also, I know that model of TV, and the time period ("moon landing") fits.
Sony made an 819-line version too fwiw. This was in the days when Sony was
still a half-decent make - I think their latest kit should say Phony instead.