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bobharvey

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Jun 16, 2009, 3:30:09 PM6/16/09
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On the same day a gubblement minister told us how important the web
was to everyone, and pointed out how it had enabled the rebellion in
Iran:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8103731.stm
"A serving detective whose anonymous blog carried criticisms of
government ministers and police bureaucracy has been disciplined by
his force."

"We have conducted a full internal investigation and the officer
accepts that parts of his public commentary have fallen short of the
standards of professional behaviour we expect of our police officers."

This is the man who won the Orwell prize last month.

JonG

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Jun 16, 2009, 5:29:53 PM6/16/09
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Aye, you couldn't make it up, could you?

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I don't know, and I don't care.

Richard Robinson

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Jun 16, 2009, 6:27:58 PM6/16/09
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JonG said:
> bobharvey wrote:
>> On the same day a gubblement minister told us how important the web
>> was to everyone, and pointed out how it had enabled the rebellion in
>> Iran:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8103731.stm
>> "A serving detective whose anonymous blog carried criticisms of
>> government ministers and police bureaucracy has been disciplined by
>> his force."
>>
>> "We have conducted a full internal investigation and the officer
>> accepts that parts of his public commentary have fallen short of the
>> standards of professional behaviour we expect of our police officers."
>>
>> This is the man who won the Orwell prize last month.
>
> Aye, you couldn't make it up, could you?

People who can, get prizes named after them.

Let's note, we have our own police-brutality videos starring on youtube too.

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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Jun 16, 2009, 8:22:08 PM6/16/09
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The powers that be want to switch off FM and AM radio transmission by
the end of 2015.
Few DAB radios jbex off mains lecky and eat flatteries PDQ iffn they do.
The mains lecky to the Pallis has failed AGAIN (third time in 6 munce).
I are connected via Voda dongle.

When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)

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Graeme

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Jun 16, 2009, 9:49:24 PM6/16/09
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Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk:

> The powers that be want to switch off FM and AM radio transmission by
> the end of 2015.
> Few DAB radios jbex off mains lecky and eat flatteries PDQ iffn they do.
> The mains lecky to the Pallis has failed AGAIN (third time in 6 munce).
> I are connected via Voda dongle.

They're only just introducing DAB down here next month (DAB+ which uses a
better codec apparently). The only way I can get it in my car, where I do
90% of my radio listening, is to buy one of the Pure Highway units. If I
bought it here it would cost the equivalent of 200 quid, if I buy it on
Amazon in the UK, get it delivered to my parents and pay them to send it to
me (as no online sellers in the UK seem to want to ship to Oz) it will cost
about 80 quid. Perhaps the extra 120 quid is for the local seller flashing
the firmware to upgrade to DAB+? I've got a fair idea which choice I'll be
taking.

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Richard Robinson

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Jun 16, 2009, 9:54:51 PM6/16/09
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Planned Obsolescence wasn't enough for 'em. Now the government enforces it.

Frank Erskine

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Jun 17, 2009, 3:53:30 AM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
<helen...@zetnet.co.uk> had this to say:

>The powers that be want to switch off FM and AM radio transmission by
>the end of 2015.

I goov they only said national stashuns. Persoomably local ones could
still be on analogue.

>Few DAB radios jbex off mains lecky and eat flatteries PDQ iffn they do.

Hmm?

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Jun 17, 2009, 4:07:42 AM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
<helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


>When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
>able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
>dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)

Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio

Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs

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Millicent Bystander

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Jun 17, 2009, 4:25:32 AM6/17/09
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Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, ��� � ����-��
said:

> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
> <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
> >able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
================
================

> >dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)
>
> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio
>
> Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs
>
>

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"One of them eventually matures and starts bring in some money"

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Jun 17, 2009, 4:59:53 AM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:25:32 +0100, Millicent Bystander
<dave...@ukmisc.org.uk> wrote:

>Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, ��� � ����-��
>said:
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
>> <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
>> >able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
> ================
> ================
>> >dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)
>>
>> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio
>>
>> Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs

OK, yer average laptop battery should see you through at least
3- 4 hours of Internet radio playtime.

How many hours in an average year are subject to a power cuts?

I would have said no more than 3 in my experience.

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Andrew Marshall

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:16:51 AM6/17/09
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In message <128h3598amp75arhd...@4ax.com>, Frank Erskine
<frank....@btinternet.com> writes

>On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
><helen...@zetnet.co.uk> had this to say:
>>The powers that be want to switch off FM and AM radio transmission by
>>the end of 2015.

>I goov they only said national stashuns. Persoomably local ones could
>still be on analogue.

I goov that's what they said TAAW. There'll be far more space for local
and community stations on medium wave and on VHF FM when all the
high-power multi-frequency national stations are gone from those bands.

>>Few DAB radios jbex off mains lecky and eat flatteries PDQ iffn they do.

>Hmm?

The two DAB tuners I've had both jbex from the mains, and I could run
the present one from flatteries if I connected one of the right voltage
to the power input socket (it abeznily runs from a plug-mounted power
supply).

The earlier battery DAB radios hfrq to be fairly greedy, but they're
better now. Anyroadup, if one hfrf rechargeables, the shorter flattery
life shouldn't be a great promble.
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Andrew Marshall

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:18:58 AM6/17/09
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In message <1j1g8bp.12g8ye61yemfciN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>, Sn!pe
<sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> writes

>Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
>> <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> had this to say:

>> >The powers that be want to switch off FM and AM radio transmission by
>> >the end of 2015.

>> I goov they only said national stashuns. Persoomably local ones could
>> still be on analogue.

>I doubt it, theybuggrem want to flog off the analogue bits
>of wireless spectrum.

If they have any spare space on long wave, a couple of spot frequencies
for amateur hfr (AM, perhaps?) might be quite fun.

Esra Sdrawkcab

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:33:17 AM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
<helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


It is the irrevocable march of technology to a brave new world. Please
remember what happened to Ben Ludd.

--
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bobharvey

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Jun 17, 2009, 6:11:40 AM6/17/09
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On 17 June, 10:33, "Esra Sdrawkcab" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> It is the irrevocable march of technology to a brave new world. Please  
> remember what happened to Ben Ludd.

Long beard, rambled on about toasted cheese [-1]?


[-1] Bugger. Hungry now.

Esra Sdrawkcab

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Jun 17, 2009, 6:13:26 AM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:55:23 +0100, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

> Esra Sdrawkcab <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> remember what happened to Ben Ludd.
>

> FSVO Ned, init?
>

See, no one remembers Be!

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Graeme

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Jun 17, 2009, 7:41:58 AM6/17/09
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Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:128h3598amp75arhd...@4ax.com:

> I goov they only said national stashuns. Persoomably local ones could
> still be on analogue.

They use low powered FM transmitters in an interesting way in some of the
national parks here. Tune in to a given frequency and at various points
along your drive there is a small transmitter playing an endless loop of
commentary about the history/flora/fauna of the area you can see from your
car. For a fairly remote area with low numbers of visitors it makes perfect
sense to do it this way rather than build little huts to station rangers in
who would be twiddling their thumbs 95% of the time.

Esra Sdrawkcab

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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:58:20 +0100, Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

> Esra Sdrawkcab <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> [...]


>
>> >> remember what happened to Ben Ludd.
>> >
>> > FSVO Ned, init?
>> >
>> See, no one remembers Be!
>

> Not NE1, nope; not initially neither but endially, even.
>

I blam th backspac ke
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Austin Shackles

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Jun 17, 2009, 9:04:07 AM6/17/09
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On or around Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:18:58 +0100, Andrew Marshall
<g8...@g8bur.demon.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <1j1g8bp.12g8ye61yemfciN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>, Sn!pe
><sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
>>> <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> had this to say:
>
>>> >The powers that be want to switch off FM and AM radio transmission by
>>> >the end of 2015.
>
>>> I goov they only said national stashuns. Persoomably local ones could
>>> still be on analogue.
>
>>I doubt it, theybuggrem want to flog off the analogue bits
>>of wireless spectrum.
>
>If they have any spare space on long wave, a couple of spot frequencies
>for amateur hfr (AM, perhaps?) might be quite fun.

fat chance, they want to get zbarl for it.
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Austin Shackles

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On or around Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:07:42 +0100, ��� � ����-��
<r...@spamall.com> enlightened us thusly:

which kind of misses the point that these things require the spending of
zbarl in order to jbex.

Frank Erskine

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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:07:42 +0100, ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com>
had this to say:

>On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
><helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
>>able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
>>dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)
>
>Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio
>

Arbut them's only Auntie ones innit.

And Sky et.al. means having a WWP...

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Jun 17, 2009, 9:35:06 AM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:05:16 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austinDITCHTHIS...@ddol-las.net> wrote:

>On or around Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:07:42 +0100, ��� � ����-��
><r...@spamall.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
>><helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
>>>able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
>>>dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)
>>
>>Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>>prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio
>>
>> Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs
>
>which kind of misses the point that these things require the spending of
>zbarl in order to jbex.

Apart from the Internet connection, the last two are free to use
(and Freeview is cheap)

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So try iTunes

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Guy King

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from Graeme <graem...@gmail.com> contains these words:

> They're only just introducing DAB down here next month (DAB+ which uses a
> better codec apparently).

And there's another thing. We're stuck using an older codec and few, if
any, radios can be reflashed to deal with other DAB systems.

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Guy King

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from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> OK, yer average laptop battery should see you through at least
> 3- 4 hours of Internet radio playtime.

Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

Guy King

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from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio


> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.

No use in the car. And if my car radio does UK flavour DAB, will it also
manage EU flavour? And what about further afield?

Richard Robinson

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Jun 17, 2009, 10:29:44 AM6/17/09
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Guy King said:
> The message <kj8h359vm4gencgje...@4ax.com>
> from ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

>
>> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>
> No use in the car. And if my car radio does UK flavour DAB, will it also
> manage EU flavour? And what about further afield?

Oh FFS, are they different ?

How long before The Internet is only available in incompatible regional
varieties ?

John Williamson

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Jun 17, 2009, 10:45:32 AM6/17/09
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Richard Robinson wrote:
> Guy King said:
>> The message <kj8h359vm4gencgje...@4ax.com>
>> from ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:
>>
>>> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>>> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>> No use in the car. And if my car radio does UK flavour DAB, will it also
>> manage EU flavour? And what about further afield?
>
> Oh FFS, are they different ?
>
Allegedly, yes.

http://www.worlddab.org/rsc_brochure/lowres/5/rsc_brochure_lowres_20090114.pdf

May hold enlightenment, the wireless web is crawling too slow to let me
look just now.

> How long before The Internet is only available in incompatible regional
> varieties ?
>

Not long, if they introduce unicode URLs, as I've heard rumoured.

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio

Uses much bandwidth which aren't easily/cheaply available if you only
have a slow interweb connection.

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> How many hours in an average year are subject to a power cuts?

> I would have said no more than 3 in my experience.

I'm up to ten so far annd we're only halfway through the year.

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
> <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


> >When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
> >able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
> >dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)

> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio

> Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs

I don't have or want a telly, so Sky etc are out.
My lecky failed last night, for thhe third time this year. (Most of
street were out.) We could listen to Rajo 4. Iffn the switch off the
transmitters, we won't have that option.
Many interweb options fail when there's no lecky in the house...

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bobharvey

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On 17 June, 14:35, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ <r...@spamall.com> wrote:
> Apart from the Internet connection, the last two are free to use
Today

> (and Freeview is cheap)
Today

Richard Robinson

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:
> from ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
>
>> >When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
>> >able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
>> >dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)
>
>> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio
>
>> Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs
>
> I don't have or want a telly, so Sky etc are out.
> My lecky failed last night, for thhe third time this year. (Most of
> street were out.) We could listen to Rajo 4. Iffn the switch off the
> transmitters, we won't have that option.
> Many interweb options fail when there's no lecky in the house...

The government have given up on the idea of talking to the country in times
of sudden emergency ? Just put out the grid and they don't have to answer to
anybody because no-one can hear them ?

Helen Deborah Vecht

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> The message <atbh35thae989vltq...@4ax.com>
> from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> > OK, yer average laptop battery should see you through at least
> > 3- 4 hours of Internet radio playtime.

> Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

My Voda mobile dongle will run on me flaptop flattery, but I'll only use
low bandwidth sites, wot i-player are NOT

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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from sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:

> Yebbut, the bandwidth costs lots on the mobile notw*rk dongle, innit.

Perzackly!

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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> So try iTunes

Too data hungry.

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> Apart from the Internet connection, the last two are free to use
> (and Freeview is cheap)

No use iffn you don't have a WWP and when there's no lecky.

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nev young

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Jun 17, 2009, 11:49:23 AM6/17/09
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Sn!pe wrote:

> ��� � "�'�-�' <r...@spamall.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
>>>>> able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
>>> ================
>>> ================

>>>>> dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)
>>>> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>>>> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio
>>>>
>>>> Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs
>> OK, yer average laptop battery should see you through at least
>> 3- 4 hours of Internet radio playtime.
>
> Yebbut, the bandwidth costs lots on the mobile notw*rk dongle, innit.
>
Yebbut the govmint is promisin 2Mb broadbean for everyone.

if we live long enuff
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Richard Robinson

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nev young said:
> Sn!pe wrote:

>> ®óñ© © "°'°-°' <r...@spamall.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> When we get flippin switchover, I'll have ten hfrless rajos and won't be
>>>>>> able to listen when lecky fails. (Internet rajo are too zbarlous for
>>>> ================
>>>>>> dongle and I only have GPRS here right now.)
>>>>> Many channels are free on Sky, on Freeview and virtually every radio
>>>>> prog in the world can be listened to on Th'Internet for free.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio
>>>>>
>>>>> Also......iTunes -> radio, hundreds of programs
>>> OK, yer average laptop battery should see you through at least
>>> 3- 4 hours of Internet radio playtime.
>>
>> Yebbut, the bandwidth costs lots on the mobile notw*rk dongle, innit.
>>
> Yebbut the govmint is promisin 2Mb broadbean for everyone.
>
> if we live long enuff

If it doesn't happen I expect there'll be Raisins Of Notional Security for
why we can't be allowed to know why.

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Richard Robinson

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John Williamson said:

> Richard Robinson wrote:
>
>> How long before The Internet is only available in incompatible regional
>> varieties ?
>>
> Not long, if they introduce unicode URLs, as I've heard rumoured.

Well, I can't see The Rest Of The World putting up with URLs in our
ridiculously limited ascii for ever. We're all going to have to learn to eat
unicode eventually. Does it cut us off, so long as we can do that ?

Pedt

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In message <3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk>, at 16:18:11 on
Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wibbled
Snap.

3 x 2hr - no explanation
1 x 4hr - chip shop fire

Better than last year.

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Sounds like Ghandhi's breakfast whilst protesting has been enumerated (6)

Graeme

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Pedt <"\"@ @\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote in news:
+Uz6yYQV...@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk:

> In message <3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk>, at 16:18:11 on
> Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wibbled
>>The message <atbh35thae989vltq...@4ax.com>
>>from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:
>>
>>
>>> How many hours in an average year are subject to a power cuts?
>>
>>> I would have said no more than 3 in my experience.
>>
>>I'm up to ten so far annd we're only halfway through the year.
>>
> Snap.
>
> 3 x 2hr - no explanation
> 1 x 4hr - chip shop fire

In the last couple of months, at least two of 4 hours and numerous ones
of a few minutes (ah, the joys of overhead power cables and WA weather).
The first one was about half an hour before the duck I had in the oven
was due to finish, thankfully I have a decent sized barbecue (I would be
regarded as freakish if I didn't in these here parts).

On the internet access side of things, I have a 600 or 700 VA UPS that
powers my laptop, router, switch and WLAN for longer than I've ever
needed. Not bad considering it was pulled out of a bin 4 years ago.


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Sleepalot

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Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>The message <atbh35thae989vltq...@4ax.com>
>from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:
>
>> OK, yer average laptop battery should see you through at least
>> 3- 4 hours of Internet radio playtime.
>
>Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

You could have a battery supply for your router.

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Sleepalot

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Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Your phone line works. (What'sa WWP?)


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Guy King

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from Richard Robinson <rich...@privacy.net> contains these words:

> > No use in the car. And if my car radio does UK flavour DAB, will it also
> > manage EU flavour? And what about further afield?

> Oh FFS, are they different ?

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/documents/DRDB_UK_DAB+_policy.pdf

Second para.

Guy King

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from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> > Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

> My Voda mobile dongle will run on me flaptop flattery, but I'll only use
> low bandwidth sites, wot i-player are NOT

But I don't have one of them.

Guy King

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from Sleepalot <sleep...@yahoo.co.uk> contains these words:

> >Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

> You could have a battery supply for your router.

And for the modem - and for the UBR down the road which, IIRC, is on the
same supply as us.

Sleepalot

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Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>The message <hu8i35ta1b7glo1t6...@4ax.com>
>from Sleepalot <sleep...@yahoo.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> >Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.
>
>> You could have a battery supply for your router.
>
>And for the modem - and for the UBR down the road which, IIRC, is on the
>same supply as us.

"UBR"?

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Jun 17, 2009, 1:58:12 PM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:31:19 +0100, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>The message <atbh35thae989vltq...@4ax.com>
>from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:
>
>> OK, yer average laptop battery should see you through at least
>> 3- 4 hours of Internet radio playtime.
>
>Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

Surely a guy-guru like you has a UPS?


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bobharvey

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Jun 17, 2009, 2:55:39 PM6/17/09
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On 17 June, 18:41, Sleepalot <sleepalo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> (What'sa WWP?)

Old 1950s comic reference "Wireless With Pictures"

c.f. goon show "Talking Type Wireless" for the other sort, not an
abreviation much used hereabouts, but I like it. Said variously by
Seagoon, Bloodnok, and the odd peripheral character like Hugh Jampton

Sleepalot

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Jun 17, 2009, 3:12:09 PM6/17/09
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bobharvey <robert...@my-deja.com> wrote:

Ah, I was a bit too young to understand the Goon show: I just liked the silly
voices.

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John Williamson

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Jun 17, 2009, 3:38:45 PM6/17/09
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Richard Robinson wrote:
> John Williamson said:
>> Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>>> How long before The Internet is only available in incompatible regional
>>> varieties ?
>>>
>> Not long, if they introduce unicode URLs, as I've heard rumoured.
>
> Well, I can't see The Rest Of The World putting up with URLs in our
> ridiculously limited ascii for ever. We're all going to have to learn to eat
> unicode eventually. Does it cut us off, so long as we can do that ?
>
Not directly, though I've noticed there's a fuss in here when people
post using unusual code pages. Unicode URLs also imply Unicode text
transfer, which will be fine only when all browsers support it.

It could (IMHO) make easier and encourage gibberment blocking of access
where ideological differences exist, so that, say, Chinese or Russian or
Arabic users (Let's not whisper Merkan here) are blocked from
transmitting/ receiving any characters over the internet other than the
unicode set that the local gibbernment decide to let through. Just put
in a packet filter at the server banning or permitting character codes
xxxx to yyyy. It'd potentially block the free exchange of information in
a way that the restricted ascii set makes very difficult.

Just my usual inflated two penn'orth....

Guy King

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from Sleepalot <sleep...@yahoo.co.uk> contains these words:

> >And for the modem - and for the UBR down the road which, IIRC, is on the
> >same supply as us.

> "UBR"?

Universal Broadband Router.

Guy King

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Jun 17, 2009, 4:57:30 PM6/17/09
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The message <79sv25F...@mid.individual.net>
from John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> contains these words:

> >> Not long, if they introduce unicode URLs, as I've heard rumoured.
> >
> > Well, I can't see The Rest Of The World putting up with URLs in our
> > ridiculously limited ascii for ever. We're all going to have to
> > learn to eat
> > unicode eventually. Does it cut us off, so long as we can do that ?
> >
> Not directly, though I've noticed there's a fuss in here when people
> post using unusual code pages.

Yebbut this is the shed, not real life.

Guy King

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from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

> >Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

> Surely a guy-guru like you has a UPS?

Nah, I have a Tilley.

Sleepalot

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Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>The message <j4bi35lqfc8mjuv2q...@4ax.com>
>from Sleepalot <sleep...@yahoo.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> >And for the modem - and for the UBR down the road which, IIRC, is on the
>> >same supply as us.
>
>> "UBR"?
>
>Universal Broadband Router.

I don't really understand:you make it sound like you're occupying a site rather
than a house.


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Bernard Peek

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:07:49 PM6/17/09
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In message <79sv25F...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes

>Richard Robinson wrote:
>> John Williamson said:
>>> Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> How long before The Internet is only available in incompatible regional
>>>> varieties ?
>>>>
>>> Not long, if they introduce unicode URLs, as I've heard rumoured.
>> Well, I can't see The Rest Of The World putting up with URLs in our
>> ridiculously limited ascii for ever. We're all going to have to learn to eat
>> unicode eventually. Does it cut us off, so long as we can do that ?
>>
>Not directly, though I've noticed there's a fuss in here when people
>post using unusual code pages. Unicode URLs also imply Unicode text
>transfer, which will be fine only when all browsers support it.

The rules have already been changed to allow non-ASCII domain-names and
all of the major browsers support that. What some have done is to
highlight non-ASCII characters in the address bar. Some clever sods had
registered domain-names that looked astonishingly similar to those of
well-known financial institutions, and had been using them for phishing.
So browsers that don't support non-ASCII characters will still display
the web pages but may not show the domain-names properly, or may mislead
the users.

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��� � ����-��

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:14:54 PM6/17/09
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:53:29 +0100, Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>The message <vjbi35dgkm6in0ci2...@4ax.com>


>from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:
>
>> >Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.
>
>> Surely a guy-guru like you has a UPS?
>
>Nah, I have a Tilley.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxo0lsJnx-U


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Helen Deborah Vecht

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Jun 17, 2009, 4:57:05 PM6/17/09
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from Znep <marc$e...@cleopatra.co.uk> contains these words:

> In uk.rec.sheds, (��� � ����-��) wrote in
> <atbh35thae989vltq...@4ax.com>


> >
> >How many hours in an average year are subject to a power cuts?

> 4-5 per month, for me.

> >I would have said no more than 3 in my experience.

> Townie!

I'm a townie and get significant power outages...

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Helen Deborah Vecht

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:01:49 PM6/17/09
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The message <3130303034323...@zetnet.co.uk>
from Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> The message <3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk>
> from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> > > Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.

> > My Voda mobile dongle will run on me flaptop flattery, but I'll only use
> > low bandwidth sites, wot i-player are NOT

> But I don't have one of them.

They can be rather nice. Zimacs hfrf little bandwidth so a penny will
ohl many downloads.
I have finally used a whole ZU's credit on a dongle I've had about 3 munce.

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bobharvey

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:25:46 PM6/17/09
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On 17 June, 16:35, Richard Robinson <richa...@privacy.net> wrote:
> The government have given up on the idea of talking to the country in times
> of sudden emergency ? Just put out the grid and they don't have to answer to
> anybody because no-one can hear them ?

No, they just gave up the idea of thinking. Some little while ago

John Williamson

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Jun 17, 2009, 5:26:02 PM6/17/09
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Narsty...

<Resolves to check all domain names very carefully in future>

Guy King

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Jun 17, 2009, 6:26:38 PM6/17/09
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The message <homi35lo83j20qior...@4ax.com>

from Sleepalot <sleep...@yahoo.co.uk> contains these words:

> >> >And for the modem - and for the UBR down the road which, IIRC, is on the
> >> >same supply as us.
> >
> >> "UBR"?
> >
> >Universal Broadband Router.

> I don't really understand:you make it sound like you're occupying a
> site rather
> than a house.

Not really. The modem and router in our house are obviously powered from
our mains supply, but down the road is Virgin's green box which gathers
the fibres from the various houses and shoves them all down one pipe to
wherever it goes next. That, IIRC, is powered from the same substation
as us - the one opposite our house.

Guy King

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Jun 17, 2009, 6:28:08 PM6/17/09
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from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:

> They can be rather nice. Zimacs hfrf little bandwidth so a penny will


> ohl many downloads.
> I have finally used a whole ZU's credit on a dongle I've had about 3 munce.

It's a goov.

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Guy King

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Jun 17, 2009, 7:43:31 PM6/17/09
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from <m...@privacy.net> contains these words:

> > And for the modem - and for the UBR down the road which, IIRC, is on the
> > same supply as us.
> >

> FSVO same. My UBR is several miles away.

I can just about hit ours with a thrown stone.

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Richard Robinson

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Jun 17, 2009, 8:04:13 PM6/17/09
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John Williamson said:
> Richard Robinson wrote:
>> John Williamson said:
>>> Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> How long before The Internet is only available in incompatible regional
>>>> varieties ?
>>>>
>>> Not long, if they introduce unicode URLs, as I've heard rumoured.
>>
>> Well, I can't see The Rest Of The World putting up with URLs in our
>> ridiculously limited ascii for ever. We're all going to have to learn to eat
>> unicode eventually. Does it cut us off, so long as we can do that ?
>>
> Not directly, though I've noticed there's a fuss in here when people
> post using unusual code pages. Unicode URLs also imply Unicode text
> transfer, which will be fine only when all browsers support it.

What goes on here is a bittofa yebbut, really. Because it's NNTP rather than
HTTP, and (mainly) because it's just not important. If any of the characters
that looks like something somewhere raised any ambiguities that were
important to nail, we wouldn't do it like that (because it doesn't).

Once upon a while ago, I was subscribed to a mailing list that needed a lot
of umlauts and o-slashes and things. It had a FAQ telling people how to do
that, complete with ascii-only fallback equivalents for those that couldn't
or CBA. If we _needed_ to be unambiguous with the WTF8, we'd need to do
something similar. And if URLs are to do $something, they'll ditto but even
more. And then if people need to look at things referred to in that way,
they'll need to use a tool that can, so the browser people'll need to make
them.

I can't see any sensible course except for ascii to (eventually) disappear
in favour of unicode. In that respect, I wish the Chinese had invented
computers.

> It could (IMHO) make easier and encourage gibberment blocking of access
> where ideological differences exist, so that, say, Chinese or Russian or
> Arabic users (Let's not whisper Merkan here) are blocked from
> transmitting/ receiving any characters over the internet other than the
> unicode set that the local gibbernment decide to let through. Just put
> in a packet filter at the server banning or permitting character codes
> xxxx to yyyy. It'd potentially block the free exchange of information in
> a way that the restricted ascii set makes very difficult.

Ah,ISWYM. Yes, you could allow/deny by whole classes of language. I'd guess
that for the first few decades of such a scheme, at least, such a thing
would be way easier for the USUK to implement than for anyone else, given
the amount of legacy stuff written in ascii.

> Just my usual inflated two penn'orth....

What we're for.


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Sleepalot

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>The message <homi35lo83j20qior...@4ax.com>
>from Sleepalot <sleep...@yahoo.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> >> >And for the modem - and for the UBR down the road which, IIRC, is on the
>> >> >same supply as us.
>> >
>> >> "UBR"?
>> >
>> >Universal Broadband Router.
>
>> I don't really understand:you make it sound like you're occupying a
>> site rather than a house.
>
>Not really. The modem and router in our house are obviously powered from
>our mains supply, but down the road is Virgin's green box which gathers
>the fibres from the various houses and shoves them all down one pipe to
>wherever it goes next. That, IIRC, is powered from the same substation
>as us - the one opposite our house.

Ah, I see. I don't know. It is entirely possible it's powered down the cable
from the exchange.


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The Stainless Steel Cat

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Jun 18, 2009, 1:27:15 AM6/18/09
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In article <128h3598amp75arhd...@4ax.com>,
Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:22:08 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
><helen...@zetnet.co.uk> had this to say:
>
>>The powers that be want to switch off FM and AM radio transmission by
>>the end of 2015.
>
>I goov they only said national stashuns. Persoomably local ones could
>still be on analogue.

Oh great. Cheesy penc with adverts every five minutes.

>>Few DAB radios jbex off mains lecky and eat flatteries PDQ iffn they do.
>
>Hmm?

My kitchen DAB goes through a set of rechargable AAs every week. That's not
environmentally friendly enough to make basically compulsory.

Plus, when it rains, my DAB radios gurgle.

The key question is, how much are the money-grubbers in government going to
get for selling off the AM/FM spectrum?

Cat.


bobharvey

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Jun 18, 2009, 1:42:12 AM6/18/09
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On 18 June, 00:39, <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> This side of town, MTBF is measured in years. The other side has it measured
> in days, unless they've sorted it recently.

The village I came from had WW2 vintage overheads, molished of steel.
Had outages of a few hours whenever the wind got above Beaufort 6.
Was without power for days, sometimes weeks, in winter. completely re-
equipped in 1990, they rarely have trubble now.

When I got wed we bought a house in town. Apart from a fault that
only affected a few houses at our end of the road and which got fixed
that year, we saw a few hours of problems from 1980 till 2000.
Recently its getting worser and worser. 6 to 12 hour outages 3 or 4
times each winter. Problem is
* supply planned for 4000 houses. Currently have 11,000 with plans
for 3000 more approved.
* electric showers, puters, etc. Assumptions about max load &
diversity wholly inadequate.
* all repairs are temporary fixes. The permanent fix never happens

Then in 2004 the substation in town caught fire. All the shops, pubs,
etc. were fed from one little 1000KVA oil filled transformer behind a
pub. It exploded. We lost 12 car parking spaces to a huge trailer
with a generator in, there for 14 months. Then we got a new
substation. But, 4 years after that they've not tidied up the
groundjbex or re-erected the fence The new substation is wrapped in
temporary fence panels, chain & padlocks. The cables break through
the mud in loops like the loch ness monster.


Guy King

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Jun 18, 2009, 2:54:46 AM6/18/09
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The message <506D0E719F%brian...@lycos.co.uk>

from <m...@privacy.net> contains these words:

> Fibres? You've succumbed to the virgin propoganda. It's copper (or worse)
> coax.

Yeah, you're right, it's coax.

Guy King

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from sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:

> > > Surely a guy-guru like you has a UPS?
> >
> > Nah, I have a Tilley.

> Could have been a Toc H.

Not bright enough?

Guy King

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Jun 18, 2009, 3:05:29 AM6/18/09
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<068290c4-bfad-409a...@o36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>
from bobharvey <robert...@my-deja.com> contains these words:

> * supply planned for 4000 houses. Currently have 11,000 with plans
> for 3000 more approved.

This is why Telford council is moving out of its office space. Apart
from becoming rather cramped (councils only ever grow), the power supply
to the building is inadequate.

So - they've sold it to Asda.

Bit of a row about that. The main shopping centre used to be owned by
USS, the University Superannuation Scheme. They sold it a while ago to
Hark Apollo, but not before they'd decided to start charging for
parking. At the time, lots of people told them that since there were
plenty of other outlets around people would vote with their wheels and
shop elsewhere rather than pay to park. Ratchetting up the prices has
only made it worse - along with a message on the backs of the tickets
"Because free Sunday parking matters." Only that's gone 'cos it's no
longer free on Sundays either.

So - Asda, the big attractor[1] in the whole centre - the magnet that
draws the rest of the trade in, is moving out. There are quite a few
other empty units, too, and the market building has just shut. Things
can only get worse.

Hark Apollo are crying foul, but it was they and their forbears who
killed the golden goose - and they were told what would happen when they
did it. I have no sympathy for them. They could have solved their
problems at a stroke by removing parking charges - trade would have
flooded back from outlying retail parks. But Asda didn't warn them they
were going - they just went and it's probably too late now.
These big firms seem to think they're immune to the effects of price
inelesticity - some git in an office somewhere thought he knew better.
Still - I bet it's made Telford council think twice about their plans to
introduce parking charges in other places, having seen what's happened
to a commercial centre that tried it.

[1] Yeah, I know, Asda's not that attractive, but it draws in huge
numbers of people who then go on to shop in other outlets in the same
centre.

Guy King

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from Sleepalot <sleep...@yahoo.co.uk> contains these words:

> Ah, I see. I don't know. It is entirely possible it's powered down the cable
> from the exchange.

Dunno - when we lost a phase in the substation the other day[1] it died
while we lived.

[1] Every third house was dark.

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Simon Kelley

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Jun 18, 2009, 4:54:16 AM6/18/09
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Sleepalot wrote:

> Guy King <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not really. The modem and router in our house are obviously powered from
>> our mains supply, but down the road is Virgin's green box which gathers
>> the fibres from the various houses and shoves them all down one pipe to
>> wherever it goes next. That, IIRC, is powered from the same substation
>> as us - the one opposite our house.
>
> Ah, I see. I don't know. It is entirely possible it's powered down the cable
> from the exchange.
>
>

Our Virgin green box has big lead-acid flatteries in the bottom, which
keep it going for long enough for a Virgindroid to scream up in a
Virginvan an' plug in a generator. The Virgindroid then sits in his van,
drinking tea and tending to the generator 'till the voles come back.

Of course, since Virgins stuff consists of equipment installed by many
and various outfits during the White Heat of Telecoms Competition, it
may all be different elsewhere.

(arrrgh de-lurked!)

Simon.

Dave Larrington

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Jun 18, 2009, 5:13:10 AM6/18/09
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In news:vjbi35dgkm6in0ci2...@4ax.com,
��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

> Surely a guy-guru like you has a UPS?

We allegedly haz one of they at jbex.

I say "allegedly", coz three times in the last week we've had a power
failure in the machine room and three times in the last week the UPS has
failed to S P. The people responsible for the care and feeding of said UPS
are now en route to the camps for re-education.

--
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<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Ha ha, you fool! You've fallen victim to one of the classic
blunders! The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war
in Asia"


Ron

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Jun 18, 2009, 5:28:31 AM6/18/09
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bobharvey wrote:
> On 17 June, 18:41, Sleepalot <sleepalo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> (What'sa WWP?)
>
> Old 1950s comic reference "Wireless With Pictures"
>
> c.f. goon show "Talking Type Wireless" for the other sort, not an
> abreviation much used hereabouts, but I like it. Said variously by
> Seagoon, Bloodnok,


and the odd peripheral character like Hugh Jampton

<rises up in chair and opens mouth to spea... never mind.>


Ron

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Jun 18, 2009, 5:30:57 AM6/18/09
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Guy King wrote:
> The message <vjbi35dgkm6in0ci2...@4ax.com>
> from ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> contains these words:

>
>>> Yebbut the fatpipe connection is mains powered.
>
>> Surely a guy-guru like you has a UPS?
>
> Nah, I have a Tilley.
>
Vesta?

JonG

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Jun 18, 2009, 6:13:02 AM6/18/09
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Simon Kelley wrote:

> (arrrgh de-lurked!)
>
> Simon.

Oh dear.

You Do realise that, now de-lurked, your cardie will now be
irretrievably snagged on that nail by the... ah, yes, I see that you
have found it.

Nevermind, pull up a bag of hardened cement. I'm sure Austin will be
along soon to get the primus going, so there will be the makings for a
hot caffeinated beverage of your choice. I'm actually wondering if I can
justify one of these:

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/handpresso-kits/index.html

for the Shed.

Now, who's got the PPs?

--
JonG
Which is worse: Ignorance or Apathy?
I don't know, and I don't care.

��� � ����-��

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Jun 18, 2009, 6:14:55 AM6/18/09
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:30:57 +0100, Ron <r...@lunevalleyaudio.com>
wrote:

Tilly pulls it off and makes Hector happy.

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/printed-books/tilly-friends-happy-hector-polly-dunbar/1164526/

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JonG

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Jun 18, 2009, 6:16:06 AM6/18/09
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Pedt wrote:

>>> How many hours in an average year are subject to a power cuts?
>>
>>> I would have said no more than 3 in my experience.
>>
>> I'm up to ten so far annd we're only halfway through the year.
>>
> Snap.
>
> 3 x 2hr - no explanation
> 1 x 4hr - chip shop fire
>
> Better than last year.
>

That's a type of microgeneration scheme I've not encountered before...

vu...@vulch.org

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Jun 18, 2009, 6:51:54 AM6/18/09
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Simon Kelley <si...@thekelleys.org.uk> writes:

> Our Virgin green box has big lead-acid flatteries in the bottom, which
> keep it going for long enough for a Virgindroid to scream up in a
> Virginvan an' plug in a generator.

The ones round here used to have similar, but they gave up replacing
them and slowly switched them to some other method I beleive. The
boxes aren't particularly secure and free big lead-acid batteries have
their attractions to some sections of the populace.

Anthony

Nick Odell

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Jun 18, 2009, 7:32:20 AM6/18/09
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:13:02 +0100, JonG
<ne...@dentrassi-nospamformetodayplease.lodge.org.uk> wrote:


>....I'm actually wondering if I can

>justify one of these:
>
>http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/handpresso-kits/index.html
>
>for the Shed.
>

What a brilliant idea. I think that might fill a suitable slot on my
Christmas-present-giving list.

My beverage de jour ( or in this instance perhaps "del dia" would be
more appropriate) is a little more low-tec:

http://www.vaucanson.org/espagnol/curiosidades/mate/mate.html

though the shoulder-bag is of my own design and was produced by the
sewing co-operative in Santa Maria, Paraguay.

It looks a bit like the shoulder bag about a fifth of the way down the
page here:

http://www.newcockaigne.demon.co.uk/santamaria/craft/misc.html

It's not in the UK catalogue for what are presumably obvious reasons
but if there are any other matearos out there who want one, just ask.

Nick


--
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Richard Robinson

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Jun 18, 2009, 8:40:12 AM6/18/09
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JonG said:
> Simon Kelley wrote:
>
>> (arrrgh de-lurked!)
>>
>> Simon.
>
> Oh dear.
>
> You Do realise that, now de-lurked, your cardie will now be
> irretrievably snagged on that nail by the... ah, yes, I see that you
> have found it.
>
> Nevermind, pull up a bag of hardened cement. I'm sure Austin will be
> along soon to get the primus going, so there will be the makings for a
> hot caffeinated beverage of your choice. I'm actually wondering if I can
> justify one of these:
>
> http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/handpresso-kits/index.html
>
> for the Shed.


Cor. After all these decades, at last a worthwhile case for runaway
consumerist insanity. My only regret is that I don't like espresso.


> Now, who's got the PPs?

Here. Plaited Peacocks all round. Who takes toffee ?

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Austin Shackles

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Jun 18, 2009, 9:13:59 AM6/18/09
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On or around Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:28:08 +0100, Guy King
<guy....@zetnet.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>The message <3130303037363...@zetnet.co.uk>
>from Helen Deborah Vecht <helen...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> They can be rather nice. Zimacs hfrf little bandwidth so a penny will
>> ohl many downloads.
>> I have finally used a whole ZU's credit on a dongle I've had about 3 munce.
>
>It's a goov.

actually, I was contemplating such things. it's either that or get the
flatpot to talk to the phobile. What I've yet to discover is the relative
cost of doing that compared with the price of megabytes on a dongle.

It'd be nifty to be able to connect to the interweb anywhere, but I'm not
after cnlvat lots of zbarl for the privilege.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!

Austin Shackles

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Jun 18, 2009, 9:19:04 AM6/18/09
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On or around Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:28:33 -0700 (PDT), bobharvey
<robert...@my-deja.com> enlightened us thusly:

>On 17 June, 14:35, ��� � ����-�� <r...@spamall.com> wrote:
>> Apart from the Internet connection, the last two are free to use
>Today
>
>> (and Freeview is cheap)
>Today

yebbut, a battery wireless, since they abandoned the licensing of same,
costs nobbut a few quid for batteries, and will generally run for quite a
long time on a set, even if you use primary cells.

all other ones seem to have drawbacks. I doubt there IS DAB around here,
and I'd give good odds that it's harder to receive than the good ol' long
wave.

Hmmm. what are they going to do about the shipping forecast? ISTR that
goes out on 1500m on account of it reaching further.

bobharvey

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Jun 18, 2009, 9:49:54 AM6/18/09
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On 18 June, 14:19, Austin Shackles
<austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESU...@ddol-las.net> wrote:

> Hmmm.  what are they going to do about the shipping forecast?  ISTR that
> goes out on 1500m on account of it reaching further.

Good god, Man. You don't suppose the gubblement have bothered to /
think/ about what they are saying, do you?

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