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Andy Bonwick
>The tins have left the building.
And the contents are a lump of melted chocolate.
Actually that's not true but they will be after Ogden leaves them in
the back of his car all day tomorrow.
Adie
ITYM in his tail pack. in the rain.
The Older Gentleman
> The tins have left the building.
Splendid. How d'you want paying? Cheque? PayPal?
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Adie
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> The tins have left the building.
>
>Splendid. How d'you want paying? Cheque? PayPal?
not bothered. count it as a thanks for getting the Everton shirt.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> typed
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:08:18 +0100, Andy Bonwick
><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:04:10 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>The tins have left the building.
>>
>>And the contents are a lump of melted chocolate.
>>
>>Actually that's not true but they will be after Ogden leaves them in
>>the back of his car all day tomorrow.
>
>ITYM in his tail pack. in the rain.
#Someone left the tail-pack
#In the rain
#I don't think that I can take it...
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I've always been a man who's open to persuasion
SIRPip
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Adie
> <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> typed
> > ITYM in his tail pack. in the rain.
>
> #Someone left the tail-pack
> #In the rain
> #I don't think that I can take it...
#up the rack ... again ...
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drugs began to take hold. I remember "SIRPip" <ginge...@gmail.com>
saying something like:
# eclair, the moment I saw you...
ogden
ogden is on the gixer and I don't think heat or sunlight are likely
to be a problem tomorrow.
Otoh, I am rather cunted and registration is in 6 hours. Prace bets
now!
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Andy Bonwick
You'd have crashed anyway so don't worry about it.
RichardA
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:24:25 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
>(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
>>Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> The tins have left the building.
>>
>>Splendid. How d'you want paying? Cheque? PayPal?
>
>not bothered. count it as a thanks for getting the Everton shirt.
Would that be the pink shirt?
My youngest lad who lives in Australia went to see the Sydney-Everton
game last weekend and wasn't impressed with the away kit.
The Sydney Morning Herald said, "The most eye-catching item though was
Everton's new away strip. Known throughout the world as the Toffees
they resembled liquorice allsorts last night. Unveiling a hot-pink
jersey, black shorts and an assortment of fluorescent boots."
TOG@Toil
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:24:25 +0100, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk
>
> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
> >Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
> >> The tins have left the building.
>
> >Splendid. How d'you want paying? Cheque? PayPal?
>
> not bothered. count it as a thanks for getting the Everton shirt.
Ta. I'll sort out a bottle of something nice for when we next meet.
CT
Colin Irvine
Perfick!
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Adie
as I said tis no bother, I have enough wine here to sink a ship and
rarely drink at home.
you did me a favour getting the shirt, swings roundabouts and all
that.
Adie
<r.a...@FOSpammersblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:32:16 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:24:25 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
>>(The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>>
>>>Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The tins have left the building.
>>>
>>>Splendid. How d'you want paying? Cheque? PayPal?
>>
>>not bothered. count it as a thanks for getting the Everton shirt.
>
>Would that be the pink shirt?
nope, a Chilean Everton shirt.
>My youngest lad who lives in Australia went to see the Sydney-Everton
>game last weekend and wasn't impressed with the away kit.
>
>The Sydney Morning Herald said, "The most eye-catching item though was
>Everton's new away strip. Known throughout the world as the Toffees
>they resembled liquorice allsorts last night. Unveiling a hot-pink
>jersey, black shorts and an assortment of fluorescent boots."
funnily enough I don't know a bloke who's bought one.
for the rest of you....
http://evertondirect.evertonfc.com/stores/product_images/efc-72206.jpg
zymurgy
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elegance that comes with being a footballer's wife.'
<Snort>
Paul.
The Older Gentleman
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:07:02 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
> <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 13 July, 22:32, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:24:25 +0100, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk
> >>
> >> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
> >> >Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> The tins have left the building.
> >>
> >> >Splendid. How d'you want paying? Cheque? PayPal?
> >>
> >> not bothered. count it as a thanks for getting the Everton shirt.
> >
> >Ta. I'll sort out a bottle of something nice for when we next meet.
>
> as I said tis no bother, I have enough wine here to sink a ship and
> rarely drink at home.
>
> you did me a favour getting the shirt, swings roundabouts and all
> that.
Well, as they're going to the family that drove me there, that sounds
fair enough.
steve auvache
I don't think Columbian Marching Power has much of a smell. Still, I
expect that if anybody would know it would be a WAG.
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The Older Gentleman
Grimly Curmudgeon
something like:
>for the rest of you....
>
>http://evertondirect.evertonfc.com/stores/product_images/efc-72206.jpg
Fuck's sake.
ogden
Didn't crash at all. Spun a Caterham a few times, but that was about it.
I'll write up a proper review tomorrow. The big cheesy grin might have
worn off by then, though I doubt it.
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Hog
The only 4 wheeler I've failed to "perform" in on a track day was a
Caterham. Ok it was damp but lord only knows what they must be like as a
road car.
--
Hog
ogden
My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as. I
much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the limit
all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag just wills
you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier, brake harder,
carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
Champ
>My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as. I
>much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the limit
>all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag just wills
>you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier, brake harder,
>carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
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vulgarandmischevious
>On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:09:31 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
>>My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as. I
>>much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the limit
>>all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag just wills
>>you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier, brake harder,
>>carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
>
>The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
>fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
Is that what started you on the path to 911 ownership?
ogden
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:09:31 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> >My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as. I
> >much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the limit
> >all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag just wills
> >you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier, brake harder,
> >carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
>
> The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
> fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
Do you mean the JP1 or the Formula Jaguar? I much preferred the latter,
it was so much lighter and more responsive than the JP1.
I see Rockingham do a "drive an F1 car" day. Almost two grand though.
Ouch.
Hog
Fuck all that. You need to take something appropriate to the 'Ring for a
weekend.
--
Hog
Adrian
saying:
> I see Rockingham do a "drive an F1 car" day.
Mm. I s'pose they count. Just.
"You’ll get behind the wheel of either a 1996 Forti-Corse FG03 formerly
driven by Luca Badoer or an ex-Derek Warwick 1993 Arrows FA14-02."
Sparkling histories, the pair of 'em - one (10th place, last finisher,
four laps down) finish for the Forti (before they went bankrupt)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forti_FG03
and a grand total of four points for the Arrows (poor enough to lose them
their name sponsor)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footwork_Arrows#Complete_Formula_One_results
Champ
>> >My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as. I
>> >much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the limit
>> >all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag just wills
>> >you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier, brake harder,
>> >carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
>>
>> The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
>> fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
>
>Do you mean the JP1 or the Formula Jaguar?
er, I was confused. When I did it, the single seater had, I think, an
Audi engine. Anyway, for the reasons below, I preferred the JP1.
>I much preferred the latter,
>it was so much lighter and more responsive than the JP1.
I found the single seater much more demanding (and yes, I spun it).
And, also, it was fitted with some GPS software that cut the engine if
you went off track. Which I didn't, but mine cut out a few times
anyway, which took the shine off the experience (and the laptimes).
Did you get print out of your data versus 'good' driver'. Still got
mine somewhere.
>I see Rockingham do a "drive an F1 car" day. Almost two grand though.
>Ouch.
Hmm. Ouch indeed.
Champ
er, might be...
Hog
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:38:59 -0600, vulgarandmischevious
> <vulgarandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:09:31 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as.
>>>> I much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the
>>>> limit all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag
>>>> just wills you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier,
>>>> brake harder, carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
>
>>> The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
>>> fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
>
>> Is that what started you on the path to 911 ownership?
>
> er, might be...
Have you seen how cheaply a 2005 on M3 with under 35k miles can be had
though ;o)
--
Hog
ogden
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:54:00 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> >> >My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as. I
> >> >much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the limit
> >> >all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag just wills
> >> >you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier, brake harder,
> >> >carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
> >>
> >> The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
> >> fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
> >
> >Do you mean the JP1 or the Formula Jaguar?
>
> er, I was confused. When I did it, the single seater had, I think, an
> Audi engine. Anyway, for the reasons below, I preferred the JP1.
Ah, both have the 3 litre V6 now.
> >I much preferred the latter,
> >it was so much lighter and more responsive than the JP1.
>
> I found the single seater much more demanding (and yes, I spun it).
> And, also, it was fitted with some GPS software that cut the engine if
> you went off track. Which I didn't, but mine cut out a few times
> anyway, which took the shine off the experience (and the laptimes).
I noticed that different people raved about different things. You loved
the JP1. I (and a PM colleague) adored the Formula Jag. My boss wants to
buy a Caterham. Our account manager from a supplier wants to get an M3.
Horses for courses.
> Did you get print out of your data versus 'good' driver'. Still got
> mine somewhere.
Yeah. It's not too bad - slower, obviously - and the gear trace is
pretty much there except where the engine's bouncing off the limiter and
the instructor's already changed up, because I'm clearly paying too much
attention to things like track position when i should be hitting the
paddle.
The biggest difference was throttle position. The instructor's looks
like a square wave while mine's a bit more sawtooth. I'd like to think
I'd be a bit better if/when I do it again.
Champ
<sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon as.
>>>>> I much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close to the
>>>>> limit all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The Formula Jag
>>>>> just wills you to go faster and faster, on the throttle earlier,
>>>>> brake harder, carry as much corner speed as you can. Amazing.
>>
>>>> The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
>>>> fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
>>
>>> Is that what started you on the path to 911 ownership?
>>
>> er, might be...
>Have you seen how cheaply a 2005 on M3 with under 35k miles can be had
>though ;o)
No - how cheap?
Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
(<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
driver.
CT
> Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
> (<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
You need to use that bonus to good effect and up your budget a tad
http://www.cameronsportscars.co.uk/items/384?back=%2Fstock
--
Chris
Champ
>Champ wrote:
>> er, I was confused. When I did it, the single seater had, I think, an
>> Audi engine.
I've fished out the brochure (kept pristine in a dust jacket...) from
when I did it. The single seater was called the "Formula Palmer Audi"
and had a 1.8 litre turbo Audi engine. No power figure given, but it
does say "400bhp/tonne". I guess the car might be as light as 500kg,
which means only 200bhp. Maybe a bit more
>Ah, both have the 3 litre V6 now.
That has to make more than 200bhp, anyway.
>> Did you get print out of your data versus 'good' driver'. Still got
>> mine somewhere.
>Yeah. It's not too bad - slower, obviously - and the gear trace is
>pretty much there except where the engine's bouncing off the limiter and
>the instructor's already changed up, because I'm clearly paying too much
>attention to things like track position when i should be hitting the
>paddle.
<fishes out data trace from folder, studies in detail>
Paddle? Paddle! Your car was obviously a fair bit more sophisticated
than mine. The biggest difference in my data trace from the
instructors was that I took an age to change gear.
>The biggest difference was throttle position. The instructor's looks
>like a square wave while mine's a bit more sawtooth. I'd like to think
>I'd be a bit better if/when I do it again.
Practice makes perfect! I exited the corners pretty well, I think (in
fact, according to this, I did it better on one corner...), but it's
pretty clear that I was braking too early. As much as 50m at one
point.
Champ
Yersh. There's plenty between 20 ~ 25k.
But I don't want that much money tied up in a car, FFS.
CT
> I've fished out the brochure (kept pristine in a dust jacket...) from
> when I did it. The single seater was called the "Formula Palmer Audi"
> and had a 1.8 litre turbo Audi engine. No power figure given, but it
> does say "400bhp/tonne". I guess the car might be as light as 500kg,
> which means only 200bhp. Maybe a bit more
Probably the 225bhp from the S3 & TT.
--
Chris
ogden
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:54:10 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> >Champ wrote:
>
> >> er, I was confused. When I did it, the single seater had, I think, an
> >> Audi engine.
>
> I've fished out the brochure (kept pristine in a dust jacket...) from
> when I did it. The single seater was called the "Formula Palmer Audi"
> and had a 1.8 litre turbo Audi engine. No power figure given, but it
> does say "400bhp/tonne". I guess the car might be as light as 500kg,
> which means only 200bhp. Maybe a bit more
Same motor as my car has, which makes 180bhp in stock form, 225 in
S3/Cupra R form. It's a punchy little engine that belies its capacity.
> >Ah, both have the 3 litre V6 now.
>
> That has to make more than 200bhp, anyway.
250 according to the spec sheet.
> >> Did you get print out of your data versus 'good' driver'. Still got
> >> mine somewhere.
>
> >Yeah. It's not too bad - slower, obviously - and the gear trace is
> >pretty much there except where the engine's bouncing off the limiter and
> >the instructor's already changed up, because I'm clearly paying too much
> >attention to things like track position when i should be hitting the
> >paddle.
>
> <fishes out data trace from folder, studies in detail>
>
> Paddle? Paddle! Your car was obviously a fair bit more sophisticated
> than mine. The biggest difference in my data trace from the
> instructors was that I took an age to change gear.
Everything but the Caterham has a paddle shift now. Works well, though
as mentioned previously I wasn't overly impressed by the delay on the
Porsche between pulling the paddle and it eventually engaging the next
gear.
> >The biggest difference was throttle position. The instructor's looks
> >like a square wave while mine's a bit more sawtooth. I'd like to think
> >I'd be a bit better if/when I do it again.
>
> Practice makes perfect! I exited the corners pretty well, I think (in
> fact, according to this, I did it better on one corner...), but it's
> pretty clear that I was braking too early. As much as 50m at one
> point.
Oh hell yeah. It was only on the last couple of laps that I realised
that the braking markers were very conservative and the right thing to
do would have been to brake hard about halfway been the marker and the
turn-in point, bang it down the gears quickly and then nail it through
the corner. Instead I was braking at the marker, changing down at
leisure in the copious free time that resulted before the corner,
feathering it through and then powering on past the apex. Like some kind
of poof.
I'll know next time.
vulgarandmischevious
>On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:43:26 +0100, "Hog"
><sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Have you seen how cheaply a 2005 on M3 with under 35k miles can be had
>>though ;o)
>
>No - how cheap?
>
>Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
>(<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
My tame mechanic and mechanical genius [0] warns folks to stay away
from 996 models. He doesn't love the reliability of the motor.
>Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
>independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
>car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
>driver.
As I said in another post in response to oggers, my pal with an M3 is
hating it as a road car, and wants to go back to the 335i, which is
not to be sniffed at, with twin-turbos and 300bhp and 300ft/lbs torque
as standard. With a Dinan kit, it can go to 400 and 400.
[0] He won the "most unlikely fix" award at LeMons last week, because
one of our cars was fucked, and the judge challenged him to make a
head gasket from a beer can...which he did, and the car went out and
did five laps at 100%
vulgarandmischevious
The Lapis Blue is a fabulous colour. Looks lovely with the grey
interior.
Hog
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:43:26 +0100, "Hog"
> <sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>> My boss loved the Caterham, reckons he's going to buy one soon
>>>>>> as. I much preferred the F1-style car. The Caterham's too close
>>>>>> to the limit all the time, if you fuck up it bites back. The
>>>>>> Formula Jag just wills you to go faster and faster, on the
>>>>>> throttle earlier, brake harder, carry as much corner speed as
>>>>>> you can. Amazing.
>>>
>>>>> The JP1 was my favourite too. ISTR doing 77 seconds in that. Set
>>>>> fastest time of the day in it, anyway. And in the 911 :-)
>>>
>>>> Is that what started you on the path to 911 ownership?
>>>
>>> er, might be...
>
>> Have you seen how cheaply a 2005 on M3 with under 35k miles can be
>> had though ;o)
>
> No - how cheap?
>
> Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
> (<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
>
> Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
> independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
> car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
> driver.
You can find a coupe or Cab for 18k or under.
In what way is it not a good road car? Only in the harsh suspension, that I
can think of. But your 330 has sports suspenders anyway.
Of course it will be a bit more expensive to run. No more or less than a 911
though. Who cares!
Use something cheap for your commuting if you do.
--
Hog
Champ
<vulgarandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Have you seen how cheaply a 2005 on M3 with under 35k miles can be had
>>>though ;o)
>>
>>No - how cheap?
<checks autotrader> Crikey! Really quite cheap!
>>Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
>>(<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
>
>My tame mechanic and mechanical genius [0] warns folks to stay away
>from 996 models. He doesn't love the reliability of the motor.
Ah. Well a 997 is definitely out of my budget atm.
>>Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
>>independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
>>car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
>>driver.
>As I said in another post in response to oggers, my pal with an M3 is
>hating it as a road car, and wants to go back to the 335i, which is
>not to be sniffed at, with twin-turbos and 300bhp and 300ft/lbs torque
>as standard. With a Dinan kit, it can go to 400 and 400.
A 335 M Sport is top of my list for a replacement for my 330 atm.
Just coming into my price range now. A bloke at work has the SE
version, and it really is gorgeous. Mind you, I still think I want a
manual box, and most of the used ones are autos. I guess I need to
drive a flappy paddle version and see if I get on with it.
Hog
It surely is. They do the new 911 in something similar and it's stunning
with the black anodised interior
--
Hog
Champ
>> Paddle? Paddle! Your car was obviously a fair bit more sophisticated
>> than mine. The biggest difference in my data trace from the
>> instructors was that I took an age to change gear.
>
>Everything but the Caterham has a paddle shift now. Works well, though
>as mentioned previously I wasn't overly impressed by the delay on the
>Porsche between pulling the paddle and it eventually engaging the next
>gear.
uh huh. When I was there, the Porsche and (iirc) the XKR had paddle
shits, and the Clio and JP1 had sequential gearboxes like a bike.
Which I loved - both also had quickshifters that cut the ignition as
you changed, so you could keep it floored and just pull the lever to
the next gear. yummy.
Hog
> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:43:26 +0100, "Hog"
>> <sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you seen how cheaply a 2005 on M3 with under 35k miles can be
>>> had though ;o)
>>
>> No - how cheap?
>>
>> Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
>> (<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
>
> My tame mechanic and mechanical genius [0] warns folks to stay away
> from 996 models. He doesn't love the reliability of the motor.
That may be true of the early models. But a last ed is just fine. I wouldn't
go for a 996 C2 though, the C4 does have good manners however.
>> Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
>> independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
>> car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
>> driver.
>
> As I said in another post in response to oggers, my pal with an M3 is
> hating it as a road car, and wants to go back to the 335i, which is
> not to be sniffed at, with twin-turbos and 300bhp and 300ft/lbs torque
> as standard. With a Dinan kit, it can go to 400 and 400.
Hardly a standard 335!
An M3 requires a bit of revving is all.
> [0] He won the "most unlikely fix" award at LeMons last week, because
> one of our cars was fucked, and the judge challenged him to make a
> head gasket from a beer can...which he did, and the car went out and
> did five laps at 100%
That's a big beer can...
--
Hog
Hog
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:26:33 -0600, vulgarandmischevious
> <vulgarandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Have you seen how cheaply a 2005 on M3 with under 35k miles can be
>>>> had though ;o)
>>>
>>> No - how cheap?
>
> <checks autotrader> Crikey! Really quite cheap!
>
>>> Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
>>> (<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
>>
>> My tame mechanic and mechanical genius [0] warns folks to stay away
>> from 996 models. He doesn't love the reliability of the motor.
>
> Ah. Well a 997 is definitely out of my budget atm.
you can get a 996 all the way up to a 2005 reg and anything from 04 on will
be solid
>
>>> Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
>>> independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
>>> car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
>>> driver.
>
>> As I said in another post in response to oggers, my pal with an M3 is
>> hating it as a road car, and wants to go back to the 335i, which is
>> not to be sniffed at, with twin-turbos and 300bhp and 300ft/lbs
>> torque as standard. With a Dinan kit, it can go to 400 and 400.
>
> A 335 M Sport is top of my list for a replacement for my 330 atm.
> Just coming into my price range now. A bloke at work has the SE
> version, and it really is gorgeous. Mind you, I still think I want a
> manual box, and most of the used ones are autos. I guess I need to
> drive a flappy paddle version and see if I get on with it.
Have you tried those SMG's. I couldn't get on with it
--
Hog
ogden
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:24:09 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> >> Paddle? Paddle! Your car was obviously a fair bit more sophisticated
> >> than mine. The biggest difference in my data trace from the
> >> instructors was that I took an age to change gear.
> >
> >Everything but the Caterham has a paddle shift now. Works well, though
> >as mentioned previously I wasn't overly impressed by the delay on the
> >Porsche between pulling the paddle and it eventually engaging the next
> >gear.
>
> uh huh. When I was there, the Porsche and (iirc) the XKR had paddle
> shits, and the Clio and JP1 had sequential gearboxes like a bike.
> Which I loved - both also had quickshifters that cut the ignition as
> you changed, so you could keep it floored and just pull the lever to
> the next gear. yummy.
Ah, right.
Breakdown atm is...
Caterham - manual box, clutch required
M3 - auto box with paddle, minimal latency on shift
911 - auto box with paddle, noticeable latency on shift
Clio, JP1 and Formula Jag - sequential box with paddle and quickshifter.
Sounds like enough's changed for you to need to go again.
ogden
> > [0] He won the "most unlikely fix" award at LeMons last week, because
> > one of our cars was fucked, and the judge challenged him to make a
> > head gasket from a beer can...which he did, and the car went out and
> > did five laps at 100%
>
> That's a big beer can...
Watneys Party 7.
dozynsleepy
> On 15 Jul 2010 15:15:18 GMT, "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Champ wrote:
>>
>>> Bearing in mind that I can't really find a 996 with right mileags
>>> (<60k) and age (<7 years) for the right price (<20k).
>
>> You need to use that bonus to good effect and up your budget a tad
>> http://www.cameronsportscars.co.uk/items/384?back=%2Fstock
>
> Yersh. There's plenty between 20 ~ 25k.
>
> But I don't want that much money tied up in a car, FFS.
I'm at the opposite end the spectrum don't even want to tie up a penny
in a car at the moment. I'm having trouble getting to grips with this
bangeromics thing. Was hoping to avoid replacing the car since I'm now
only a couple of miles from work and have a lovely cycle along a canal
to get to it. Not so lovely when it's raining though :-( .
Anyone recommend a nice comfortable disposable banger that'll still give
you a grin [1]?
[1] It's not worth firing up the Ducati, I can cycle to work in the same
time it takes to warm up the bike and put on my kit.
--
DozynSleepy
Ducatenstein ST4s
The Older Gentleman
> But I don't want that much money tied up in a car, FFS.
Why not? It's not much, really. It's what the Scoob cost, for example.
--
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Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes!
Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
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Champ
<sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Champ wrote:
>> Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
>> independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
>> car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
>> driver.
>In what way is it not a good road car? Only in the harsh suspension, that I
>can think of. But your 330 has sports suspenders anyway.
Has to be revved to make the power.
>Of course it will be a bit more expensive to run. No more or less than a 911
>though. Who cares!
The bank/ credit card company. I'll repeat my oft quoted number -
disks and pads all round on my 330: 300 quid. Same job on an M3: a
grand.
>Use something cheap for your commuting if you do.
No. If I'm going to be spending 2 hours a day in a car, I want to be
in a nice car. I'm not going to drive some POS because I can't afford
to run my main car.
vulgarandmischevious
>On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:32:51 +0100, "Hog"
><sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Champ wrote:
>
>>> Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
>>> independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great road
>>> car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a better daily
>>> driver.
>
>>In what way is it not a good road car? Only in the harsh suspension, that I
>>can think of. But your 330 has sports suspenders anyway.
>
>Has to be revved to make the power.
The V8 is a bit better in that respect. I think you're bang on the
money to target the 335i as your next motah.
Paul Corfield
> The tins have left the building.
But we all want to know if they have arrived at the Chateau .... ?
The suspense is keeping me mildly awake ;-)
--
Paul C
via Google
Hog
I think the V8 is a lot different. It was the lovely straight 6 that needed
revs. I still love them though.
If you want one car then the 335 probably is right. It bothers one when you
start spoiling a really nice Cage with big daily commutes. It isn't just the
miles, it's also the marks. Hence I have the Saab, which is still very nice
but I don't care about the odd paint scuff and the 10k extra miles each
year.
--
Hog
Hog
I'd love to try a new Porker with the PDK gearbox on track
--
Hog
CT
> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > But I don't want that much money tied up in a car, FFS.
>
> Why not? It's not much, really. It's what the Scoob cost, for example.
Quite.
My next car will probably cost around £20k.
--
Chris
ogden
Ah, that the same as the new dual-clutch thing VW have produced?
Hog
TBF Champ saves on Cages and sinks the money into a rather nice race/road
bike.
And an unfeasibly nice SO. A bit silly, obviously, but terribly nice.
--
Hog
ogden
> vulgarandmischevious wrote:
> > Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:32:51 +0100, "Hog"
> >> <sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Champ wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Anyway, while I've not driven an M3, I've also been told (by the
> >>>> independent BMW servicing guy I use) that the M3 is not a great
> >>>> road car, and very expensive to run. He reckons my 330 is a
> >>>> better daily driver.
> >>
> >>> In what way is it not a good road car? Only in the harsh
> >>> suspension, that I can think of. But your 330 has sports suspenders
> >>> anyway.
> >>
> >> Has to be revved to make the power.
> >
> > The V8 is a bit better in that respect. I think you're bang on the
> > money to target the 335i as your next motah.
>
> I think the V8 is a lot different. It was the lovely straight 6 that needed
> revs. I still love them though.
I can assure you the V8 pulls like a train.
(I'm going to regret this)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqBcISeDwV0
CT
> CT wrote:
> >
> > Quite.
> >
> > My next car will probably cost around £20k.
>
> TBF Champ saves on Cages and sinks the money into a rather nice
> race/road bike.
Sure. 'Orses for courses, innit?
> And an unfeasibly nice SO. A bit silly, obviously, but terribly nice.
I've not met her, but some of Champ's anecdotes I've heard seem to
imply it's more than a "bit" :o)
--
Chris
Krusty
>
> (I'm going to regret this)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqBcISeDwV0
Damn right you're going to regret it. 'an BMW'?!? FFS!
--
Krusty
Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Tiger 955i Tiger 885 Fantic Hiro 250
ogden
> ogden wrote:
>
> >
> > (I'm going to regret this)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqBcISeDwV0
>
> Damn right you're going to regret it. 'an BMW'?!? FFS!
Your eyes deceive you.
Hog
I just can't do that thing of someone trying to talk me through it
--
Hog
Ace
I think most of the new-generation boxes are based on similar
concepts. As I said when I first testdrove one (a 3.2 Passat) "One day
all gearboxes will be made this way".
Krusty
> Krusty wrote:
> > ogden wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > (I'm going to regret this)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqBcISeDwV0
> >
> > Damn right you're going to regret it. 'an BMW'?!? FFS!
>
> Your eyes deceive you.
<hits PrntScn>
ogden
I was thinking of the way that Porsche and VW are very, very close to
each other and have been working hand-in-hand for some time.
Adrian
saying:
>> >> I'd love to try a new Porker with the PDK gearbox on track
>> >Ah, that the same as the new dual-clutch thing VW have produced?
>> I think most of the new-generation boxes are based on similar concepts.
>> As I said when I first testdrove one (a 3.2 Passat) "One day all
>> gearboxes will be made this way".
> I was thinking of the way that Porsche and VW are very, very close to
> each other and have been working hand-in-hand for some time.
The VW DSG box was developed, and is built by BorgWarner, the Porsche
version is ZF. There's a whole stack of similar designs either about or
starting to come out - but the basic idea goes back to the '30s.
Hog
<spits out lumps of tongue>
--
Hog
The Older Gentleman
A 'bint', then?
She must be a bleeding saint to put up with Champ, mind.
Lozzo
> CT <m...@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hog wrote:
> > > TBF Champ saves on Cages and sinks the money into a rather nice
> > > race/road bike.
> >
> > Sure. 'Orses for courses, innit?
> >
> > > And an unfeasibly nice SO. A bit silly, obviously, but terribly
> > > nice.
> >
> > I've not met her, but some of Champ's anecdotes I've heard seem to
> > imply it's more than a "bit" :o)
>
> A 'bint', then?
>
> She must be a bleeding saint to put up with Champ, mind.
FWIW, I think she's lovely
--
Lozzo
Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F
(somewhere)
Champ
>> > > And an unfeasibly nice SO. A bit silly, obviously, but terribly
>> > > nice.
>> >
>> > I've not met her, but some of Champ's anecdotes I've heard seem to
>> > imply it's more than a "bit" :o)
>>
>> A 'bint', then?
>>
>> She must be a bleeding saint to put up with Champ, mind.
>FWIW, I think she's lovely
She is lovely.
Also, utterly bonkers.
--
Champ
We declare that the splendour of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed.
Lozzo
> On 16 Jul 2010 19:51:24 GMT, "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > > And an unfeasibly nice SO. A bit silly, obviously, but terribly
> >> > > nice.
> >> >
> >> > I've not met her, but some of Champ's anecdotes I've heard seem
> to >> > imply it's more than a "bit" :o)
> >>
> >> A 'bint', then?
> >>
> >> She must be a bleeding saint to put up with Champ, mind.
>
> > FWIW, I think she's lovely
>
> She is lovely.
>
> Also, utterly bonkers.
That's why she's lovely.
Champ
>> >> > > And an unfeasibly nice SO. A bit silly, obviously, but terribly
>> >> > > nice.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've not met her, but some of Champ's anecdotes I've heard seem
>> to >> > imply it's more than a "bit" :o)
>> >>
>> >> A 'bint', then?
>> >>
>> >> She must be a bleeding saint to put up with Champ, mind.
>>
>> > FWIW, I think she's lovely
>> She is lovely.
>>
>> Also, utterly bonkers.
>That's why she's lovely.
There does seem to be a correlation.
Perhaps the Holy Grail is a lovely woman who isn't bonkers?
ogden
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:55:34 GMT, Champ wrote:
>
> > On 17 Jul 2010 21:04:55 GMT, "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>> She is lovely.
> >>>
> >>> Also, utterly bonkers.
> >
> >>That's why she's lovely.
> >
> > There does seem to be a correlation.
> >
> > Perhaps the Holy Grail is a lovely woman who isn't bonkers?
>
She's the exception that proves the rule.
Champ
wrote:
>>>> She is lovely.
>>>>
>>>> Also, utterly bonkers.
>>
>>>That's why she's lovely.
>>
>> There does seem to be a correlation.
>> Perhaps the Holy Grail is a lovely woman who isn't bonkers?
>I've found one of them. Unfortunately she's married to someone else.
Ah, but there's lots of women who *seem* non-bonkers, on the surface.
I wonder what he husband thinks.
Hog
> On 17 Jul 2010 21:04:55 GMT, "Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> And an unfeasibly nice SO. A bit silly, obviously, but terribly
>>>>>>> nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not met her, but some of Champ's anecdotes I've heard seem
>>> to >> > imply it's more than a "bit" :o)
>>>>>
>>>>> A 'bint', then?
>>>>>
>>>>> She must be a bleeding saint to put up with Champ, mind.
>>>
>>>> FWIW, I think she's lovely
>
>>> She is lovely.
>>>
>>> Also, utterly bonkers.
>
>> That's why she's lovely.
>
> There does seem to be a correlation.
>
> Perhaps the Holy Grail is a lovely woman who isn't bonkers?
Other than the mandated dig at you F seems reasonable, unless you consider
the whole veggie thing irrational. As a Veg (1) for half my adult life it
wouldn't bother me and I understand the inconsistencies.
(1) fill yer boots allotment types
--
Hog
CT
> Other than the mandated dig at you F seems reasonable, unless you
> consider the whole veggie thing irrational. As a Veg (1) for half my
> adult life it wouldn't bother me and I understand the inconsistencies.
My SO is veggie too, but I don't have to put up with half the
irrational shit that Champ seems to have to.
--
Chris
Champ
>>>> Perhaps the Holy Grail is a lovely woman who isn't bonkers?
>>
>>>I've found one of them. Unfortunately she's married to someone else.
>>
>>Ah, but there's lots of women who *seem* non-bonkers, on the surface.
>>I wonder what her husband thinks.
>"She may be drop-dead gorgeous, but somebody, somewhere, has to put up
>with her shit".
heh. I thought of that earlier in the thread. A morale I try to live
my life by
Champ
<sm91...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> She is lovely.
>>>>
>>>> Also, utterly bonkers.
>>
>>> That's why she's lovely.
>>
>> There does seem to be a correlation.
>>
>> Perhaps the Holy Grail is a lovely woman who isn't bonkers?
>
>Other than the mandated dig at you F seems reasonable
" "
The Older Gentleman
> Ah, but there's lots of women who *seem* non-bonkers, on the surface.
The Doctor is one.
Daughter and I were putting together a list of reasons why she qualifies
for 'batty old lady' status, and I said that carrying packets of seeds
in her pockets would count.
She looked shamefaced and reached into her jeans back pocket, and you
can guess the rest.
And let's not forget the wheel-less wheelbarrow.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Triumph Street Triple Honda CB400F
Suzuki TS250 Suzuki GN250 chateaudotmurrayatidnetdotcom
Nothing damages a machine more than an ignoramus with a manual, a
can-do attitude and a set of cheap tools
Hog
> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Ah, but there's lots of women who *seem* non-bonkers, on the surface.
>
> The Doctor is one.
>
> Daughter and I were putting together a list of reasons why she
> qualifies for 'batty old lady' status, and I said that carrying
> packets of seeds in her pockets would count.
>
> She looked shamefaced and reached into her jeans back pocket, and you
> can guess the rest.
>
> And let's not forget the wheel-less wheelbarrow.
I've heard of pots and kettles but this is extreme
--
Hog
Colin Irvine
+1. Except that I wouldn't call Champ's view of veggies exactly
rational.
--
Colin Irvine
ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
stephen...@gonemail.com
> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Ah, but there's lots of women who *seem* non-bonkers, on the surface.
>
> The Doctor is one.
>
> Daughter and I were putting together a list of reasons why she qualifies
> for 'batty old lady' status, and I said that carrying packets of seeds
> in her pockets would count.
>
> She looked shamefaced and reached into her jeans back pocket, and you
> can guess the rest.
>
> And let's not forget the wheel-less wheelbarrow.
Sorry, you're really not qualified to comment on what defines batty or
not. I think a text book could be written on your particular quirks.
I realise there's a glass house thing that I'm risking here but life's
too short.
Ace
<lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>On 19 Jul 2010 12:20:13 GMT, CT squeezed out the following:
>
>>Hog wrote:
>>
>>> Other than the mandated dig at you F seems reasonable, unless you
>>> consider the whole veggie thing irrational. As a Veg (1) for half my
>>> adult life it wouldn't bother me and I understand the inconsistencies.
>>
>>My SO is veggie too, but I don't have to put up with half the
>>irrational shit that Champ seems to have to.
>
>+1. Except that I wouldn't call Champ's view of veggies exactly
>rational.
Eh? Would you care to expound on that? AFAICR his views are fairly
traditional, along the lines of 'all veggies are nutters'. Are you
suggesting that this is not logical?
Lady Nina
<pl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jul 13, 10:04 pm, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>> The tins have left the building.
>
>But we all want to know if they have arrived at the Chateau .... ?
>
>The suspense is keeping me mildly awake ;-)
Did Ogden pry open the tin and eat all the toffee pennies?
--
Lady Nina
Lozzo
> Ah, but there's lots of women who seem non-bonkers, on the surface.
> I wonder what he husband thinks.
WGAF what he thinks, it's not like he'd be invited to the party
--
Lozzo
Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F
(somewhere)
BMW E46 318iSE (it's a car, not one of those 2-wheeled pieces of shite
they churn out)
Lozzo
> And let's not forget the wheel-less wheelbarrow.
A wheel-less wheelbarrow is surely just a barrow.
--
Lozzo
Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F
(somewhere)
The Older Gentleman
Heh. Tins are now in my suitcase which is sitting on the spare bed in my
hotel room in Buenos Aires, prior to being taken to Chile later this
week. Thanks all.
stephen...@gonemail.com
> Heh. Tins are now in my suitcase which is sitting on the spare bed in my
> hotel room in Buenos Aires, prior to being taken to Chile later this
> week. Thanks all.
Andy,
It's exactly as you said at Chimay, he really doesn't have a
clue about the contents of the tins!
Here's hoping that Gomez can get to the airport before The Old Git gets
to security.
Did we agree what the split was or do we have another call on this?
Let me know, 'special' email IYKWIM.
Speak soon...
Colin Irvine
<chomp> Yep. In fact he went further, IIRC, claiming that veggies were
being anthropomorphic.
Champ
<lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>On 19 Jul 2010 12:20:13 GMT, CT squeezed out the following:
>
>>Hog wrote:
>>
>>> Other than the mandated dig at you F seems reasonable, unless you
>>> consider the whole veggie thing irrational. As a Veg (1) for half my
>>> adult life it wouldn't bother me and I understand the inconsistencies.
>>My SO is veggie too, but I don't have to put up with half the
>>irrational shit that Champ seems to have to.
>+1. Except that I wouldn't call Champ's view of veggies exactly
>rational.
They're rational in the sense that they are supported by a set of
consistent arguments.
How would you react if Pat threw away a frying pan because you stir
fried some chicken in it? Would you consider *that* rational?
--
Champ
We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed.
Lozzo
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:38:46 +0100, Colin Irvine
> <lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>
> > On 19 Jul 2010 12:20:13 GMT, CT squeezed out the following:
> >
> > > Hog wrote:
> > >
> >>> Other than the mandated dig at you F seems reasonable, unless you
> >>> consider the whole veggie thing irrational. As a Veg (1) for half
> my >>> adult life it wouldn't bother me and I understand the
> inconsistencies.
>
> > > My SO is veggie too, but I don't have to put up with half the
> > > irrational shit that Champ seems to have to.
>
> > +1. Except that I wouldn't call Champ's view of veggies exactly
> > rational.
>
> They're rational in the sense that they are supported by a set of
> consistent arguments.
>
> How would you react if Pat threw away a frying pan because you stir
> fried some chicken in it? Would you consider that rational?
I have one very simple rule regarding veggie women - I never date them.
--
Lozzo
Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, TS250C, RD400F
(somewhere)
Hog
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:38:46 +0100, Colin Irvine
> <lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>
>> On 19 Jul 2010 12:20:13 GMT, CT squeezed out the following:
>>
>>> Hog wrote:
>>>
>>>> Other than the mandated dig at you F seems reasonable, unless you
>>>> consider the whole veggie thing irrational. As a Veg (1) for half
>>>> my adult life it wouldn't bother me and I understand the
>>>> inconsistencies.
>
>>> My SO is veggie too, but I don't have to put up with half the
>>> irrational shit that Champ seems to have to.
>
>> +1. Except that I wouldn't call Champ's view of veggies exactly
>> rational.
>
> They're rational in the sense that they are supported by a set of
> consistent arguments.
>
> How would you react if Pat threw away a frying pan because you stir
> fried some chicken in it? Would you consider *that* rational?
Hmmm what about plates that have had "stuff" on them?
--
Hog
Ace
<lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:48:05 +0200, Ace squeezed out the following:
>
>>On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:38:46 +0100, Colin Irvine
>><lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>>Eh? Would you care to expound on that? AFAICR his views are fairly
>>traditional, along the lines of 'all veggies are nutters'. Are you
>>suggesting that this is not logical?
>
><chomp> Yep. In fact he went further, IIRC, claiming that veggies were
>being anthropomorphic.
Oh, well yeah, I'm sure that's true in many cases though.