Justification for driving like a cunt?
Rope
> I dont have a problem with the speed -
Yesterday i got back from a tootle around on the bike and
Lesley came out of the house as i was taking off the
helmet, in a right state!
She was complaining that she could feel blood pulsing
through her neck and her head felt like it was about to
explode - she was shaking and in panic.[1]
So I piled her into the car and took off for the hospital -
15 miles away in Worksop, driving as quickly and as
smoothly as I could.
This involved highly illegal speeds and a fair amount of
'filtering' in the Galant - the only reason I didn't get
flashed by the GATSOs on the A1 at Elkersley was being
balked by a truck overtaking.
This is not the first time I have had to drive hard to get
someone (usually bleeding kids) to hospital in a hurry.
So what would be the police's attitude to this behaviour if
I was spotted?
[1] Hospital gave her 2 ibuprofen, a cot to lie on, then
discharged her after an hour - diagnosing an anxiety attack
:(
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> SNIP
There was no justification for any of this. The correct course of action is
to inform SWMBO that she is a neurotic hypochondriac bitch, tell her to take
a couple of aspirin and get the fucking tea on.
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Steve Parkes
> So what would be the police's attitude to this behaviour if
> I was spotted?
>
> [1] Hospital gave her 2 ibuprofen, a cot to lie on, then
> discharged her after an hour - diagnosing an anxiety attack
> :(
A few years ago, my brother-in-law managed to have an argument wth a
lawnmower which left him with a few fingers shorter than they should be. I
took him to hospital with his hand in a tea towel held high.
I must have broken every limit on the way there and when a patrol car
spotted us he managed to see the red tea towel. After that the rest of the
trip was easy as he overtook me [1], put the lights on and we played follow
the leader through bus lanes etc. When we got to te hospital, he waited
around to see how Bob was and wished us well.
All in all, he played it how he saw it and I would have paid any fine
needed. But did not need to
[1] Hat off to the guy, that was not easy
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>
> A few years ago, my brother-in-law managed to have an argument wth a
> lawnmower which left him with a few fingers shorter than they should be.
I
> took him to hospital with his hand in a tea towel held high.
>
> I must have broken every limit on the way there and when a patrol car
> spotted us he managed to see the red tea towel. After that the rest of
the
> trip was easy as he overtook me [1], put the lights on and we played
follow
> the leader through bus lanes etc. When we got to te hospital, he waited
> around to see how Bob was and wished us well.
>
> All in all, he played it how he saw it and I would have paid any fine
> needed. But did not need to
>
> [1] Hat off to the guy, that was not easy
>
> --
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>
That's the problem with all these spy camera's it all black & white (yes I
know they are colour photo's) but Police on patrol could be fair if they
weren't under pressure for arrest figure's and choose between being helpful
as in Steve's case, or issue a verbal slap on the wrist for a bit over
excitement on a clear road on a nice sunny day or bang the loony up in irons
if need be. Cameras all about revenue and mind control.
In an ideal world .................. sigh
Mike.
Rope
> Why didn't you just call an ambulance?
Because the hospital, and the ambulance station, are > 15
miles away. Usual response times ad > 30 minutes
ANT
>Rope wrote:
>
>> So what would be the police's attitude to this behaviour if
>> I was spotted?
>>
>> [1] Hospital gave her 2 ibuprofen, a cot to lie on, then
>> discharged her after an hour - diagnosing an anxiety attack
>> :(
>
>A few years ago, my brother-in-law managed to have an argument wth a
>lawnmower which left him with a few fingers shorter than they should be. I
>took him to hospital with his hand in a tea towel held high.
Couldn't his finger have been blown away at those speeds on a bike ?
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> That's the problem with all these spy camera's it all black & white (yes I
> know they are colour photo's) but Police on patrol could be fair if they
> weren't under pressure for arrest figure's and choose between being helpful
> as in Steve's case, or issue a verbal slap on the wrist for a bit over
> excitement on a clear road on a nice sunny day or bang the loony up in irons
> if need be. Cameras all about revenue and mind control.
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>Jp wittered on about:
>> I dont have a problem with the speed -
>
>Yesterday i got back from a tootle around on the bike and
>Lesley came out of the house as i was taking off the
>helmet, in a right state!
>
>She was complaining that she could feel blood pulsing
>through her neck and her head felt like it was about to
>explode - she was shaking and in panic.[1]
>
>So I piled her into the car and took off for the hospital -
>15 miles away in Worksop, driving as quickly and as
>smoothly as I could.
>
>This involved highly illegal speeds and a fair amount of
>'filtering' in the Galant - the only reason I didn't get
>flashed by the GATSOs on the A1 at Elkersley was being
>balked by a truck overtaking.
>
>This is not the first time I have had to drive hard to get
>someone (usually bleeding kids) to hospital in a hurry.
>
>So what would be the police's attitude to this behaviour if
>I was spotted?
>
>[1] Hospital gave her 2 ibuprofen, a cot to lie on, then
>discharged her after an hour - diagnosing an anxiety attack
>:(
"Anxiety attack" caused by sirs driving?
My wife gets these all the time ;o)
Seriously, do you know what brought on the anxiety attack?
My Dad gets them all the time, since the doctor prescribed Ativan
(Lorazepam) after his depression when my Grandparents died, he's now
Agoraphobic because of them :o(
Dad is an extreme case, just mentioned it to show I know what they are
like, not to worry or owt.
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Stu
> (yes I know they are colour photo's) but Police on patrol could be
> fair if they weren't under pressure for arrest figure's
Spoken like a man who knows sod all about how the police work.
I'm in traffic, so I deal with speed etc. I have no targets or "arrest
figures" that I must reach. I am expected to go out and work and show that I
am am working, but if I go out in a day and come back with no tickets, I am
not criticised for it. In my unit there are no statistics or league tables.
There are no posters urging us to do more tickets or reach targets. Go into
local stations, and you'll see all that - but directed at getting more
arrests for burglary, robbery etc, more stop & search done, and so on. Local
officers working the core shifts are actively discouraged from dealing with
traffic stuff and to get on and deal with crime stuff.
As for Rope's driving - he could well have ended up in the s**t if he'd had
a prang. The standard argument would be to call an ambulance. I appreciate
his comments about response times, but why not go to the local doctor's. Why
not call the doctor out? Was driving in the way he did justified,
considering how minor his SWMBO's problem was. Years ago we came up behind a
car driving madly along Kennington Lane - inside was a young kid that had
stopped breathing. She was put in the police car, and we got her to
hospital. No action was taken against the driver.
The above are all what you'd expect to get asked in court if it ended up
there. The courts take a fairly dim view of this sort of thing - it's what
we have ambulances for. Unless someone is actually dying or seriously hurt,
you'd end up with points or a ban.
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>"Rope" <sp...@ukrm.net> wrote in message
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>
>> SNIP
>
>There was no justification for any of this. The correct course of action is
>to inform SWMBO that she is a neurotic hypochondriac bitch, tell her to take
>a couple of aspirin and get the fucking tea on.
That is not at all fair, using long words in front of the bitch.
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> > That's the problem with all these spy camera's it all black & white
> > (yes I know they are colour photo's) but Police on patrol could be
> > fair if they weren't under pressure for arrest figure's
>
> Spoken like a man who knows sod all about how the police work.
>
> I'm in traffic, so I deal with speed etc. I have no targets or "arrest
> figures" that I must reach. I am expected to go out and work and show that
I
> am am working, but if I go out in a day and come back with no tickets, I
am
> not criticised for it. In my unit there are no statistics or league
tables.
> There are no posters urging us to do more tickets or reach targets. Go
into
> local stations, and you'll see all that - but directed at getting more
> arrests for burglary, robbery etc, more stop & search done, and so on.
Local
> officers working the core shifts are actively discouraged from dealing
with
> traffic stuff and to get on and deal with crime stuff.
OK Stu, so what you are telling us that many traffic officers are just
natural born anti bike cunts. I always had that suspicion.
Steve Parkes
> Couldn't his finger have been blown away at those speeds on a bike ?
Cage, fool! do you think I would let his blood drip on my bike :-)
Rope
> "Anxiety attack" caused by sirs driving?
> My wife gets these all the time ;o)
>
> Seriously, do you know what brought on the anxiety attack?
Well on top of all the shit from the kids, especially in the
holidays, and the building site at the back of the house,
the immediate trigger would seem to have been chatting to
the next door neighbour, who's SO had left her, and she told
Lesley that he had gone of with another woman.
Since I work away from home a lot, and a lot of people have
said to her that she must be trusting/naive/stupid.......
Rope
> As for Rope's driving - he could well have ended up in the s**t if he'd had
> a prang. The standard argument would be to call an ambulance. I appreciate
> his comments about response times,
Good!
> but why not go to the local doctor's.
Apart from the fact we are in dispute with them over their extension, the
surgery was closed.... even had it been open, they are not known for their
willingness to see people without an appointment :^/
> Why not call the doctor out?
Because the only number we have is for a locum service, which is based in
Worksop - same as the hospital, and the doctor who turned up could have come
from anywhere within North Notts.... Living in a rural village does have
considerable disadvantages some times, you know?
> Was driving in the way he did justified, considering how minor his SWMBO's >
problem was.
Not being a medical professional, and seeing the state Lesley was in at the
time, it looked pretty damn serious to me! Could you be so cavalier about
your wife's health?
> Years ago we came up behind a
> car driving madly along Kennington Lane - inside was a young kid that had
> stopped breathing. She was put in the police car, and we got her to
> hospital. No action was taken against the driver.
sorry Stu, but you are coming across as a rather atypical pretentious police
driver - automatically assuming a position of superiority.
I had stated that, with consideration for Lesley's state, I was driving as
quickly and *smoothly* as possible... I have been riding bikes for 32 years
and driving cars for 30 years, a fair amount of the time in a professional
capacity. I have passed the IAM test, I was a bike instructor.
I am not the best driver in the world, but I am more than capable of driving
within the car/bikes performance limitations, *very* quickly, and safely
> The above are all what you'd expect to get asked in court if it ended up
> there. The courts take a fairly dim view of this sort of thing - it's what
> we have ambulances for. Unless someone is actually dying or seriously hurt,
> you'd end up with points or a ban.
So in this case, as it turned out, the condition was not life threatening.
but as I said above, at the time, it seemed pretty serious to me, and more
importantly, to Lesley.
OK, in an urban environment, blues & twos would give an emergency vehicle and
edge over a private vehicle - but when the 15 mile trip to the hospital
includes 10 miles of the A1 and another 3 miles of trunk road, then (safe[1])
speed has a distinct advantage.
[1] Example, at one point I was doing 120mph, clear road, no hazards. As I
approached a line of cars in lane 1 doing around 70-80, I slowed to under 100.
Steve Parkes
> AndyH wittered on about:
>> "Anxiety attack" caused by sirs driving?
>> My wife gets these all the time ;o)
>>
>> Seriously, do you know what brought on the anxiety attack?
>
> Well on top of all the shit from the kids, especially in the
> holidays, and the building site at the back of the house,
> the immediate trigger would seem to have been chatting to
> the next door neighbour, who's SO had left her, and she told
> Lesley that he had gone of with another woman.
>
> Since I work away from home a lot, and a lot of people have
> said to her that she must be trusting/naive/stupid.......
So the attack came on when she realised you *WAS* comming home ? :-)
I hope she feels better soon, A weekend away without the kids sound like a
good idea about now.
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Stu
> police driver - automatically assuming a position of superiority.
Sorry - that wasn't my intention - I was trying to give you an idea of how
courts think, and how little sympathy you'd get. I appreciate your comments
about the doctors etc, just playing devil's advocate - it's what you'd have
to justify if you crashed.
And lastly, if I found you doing 120mph I would expect your wife to be in
serious difficulties to justify the speed. This sounds harsh, but it has to
be. Again, if it was that serious, I'd put your wife in the police car, and
get her their in that. Superiority? If nothing else, it's a car equipped
with blues & twos, and would get her there quicker, and a tad safer.
And lastly - I hope SWMBO's all OK now!
The Old Fogey
It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
or cars, bikes etc.
> So what would be the police's attitude to this behaviour if
> I was spotted?
With a bit of luck you could get them to light up and guide you to the H.
without, they would not know the law and give you a "producer."
You would end up in court and have to defend your perfectly legal
behaviour.
Roger.
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>Rope <sp...@ukrm.net> wrote in message news:<VA.000009e...@ukrm.net>...
>
>>
>> This involved highly illegal speeds
>
>It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
>ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
>or cars, bikes etc.
Where on earth did you get that gem from? If only it were true...
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>Rope <sp...@ukrm.net> wrote in message news:<VA.000009e...@ukrm.net>...
>
>>
>> This involved highly illegal speeds
>
>It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
>ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
>or cars, bikes etc.
Yes they fucking do[1]
There was a big hoo ha a few years back when plod nicked an ambulance
driver rushing a kiddie from Southend to Gt. Orman St. The magistrates,
unable to throw the case out, fined the geezer a token quid and called
plod stupid.
[1]Unless Blur and his merry men have changed that one as well.
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Rope
> > sorry Stu, but you are coming across as a rather atypical pretentious
> > police driver - automatically assuming a position of superiority.
>
> Sorry - that wasn't my intention - I was trying to give you an idea of how
> courts think, and how little sympathy you'd get. I appreciate your comments
> about the doctors etc, just playing devil's advocate - it's what you'd have
> to justify if you crashed.
OK, I can appreciate that ;^)
> And lastly, if I found you doing 120mph I would expect your wife to be in
> serious difficulties to justify the speed. This sounds harsh, but it has to
> be. Again, if it was that serious, I'd put your wife in the police car, and
> get her their in that. Superiority? If nothing else, it's a car equipped
> with blues & twos, and would get her there quicker, and a tad safer.
again, accepted.
> And lastly - I hope SWMBO's all OK now!
Thanks - she seems to be OK for now :)
Simian
> Rope <sp...@ukrm.net> wrote in message news:<VA.000009e...@ukrm.net>...
>>
>> This involved highly illegal speeds
>
> It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
> ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
> or cars, bikes etc.
>
Yeah, and they don't apply if you have to speed to safely overtake either.
Simian
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:07:22 -0000, Simian <Sim...@simian.org.uk>
>>The Old Fogey :
>>>
>>> It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
>>> ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
>>> or cars, bikes etc.
>>
>>Yeah, and they don't apply if you have to speed to safely overtake either.
>
'Stevie'?
joe parkin
> Stu wittered on about:
> > As for Rope's driving - he could well have ended up in the s**t if he'd had
> > a prang. The standard argument would be to call an ambulance. I appreciate
> > his comments about response times,
> time, it looked pretty damn serious to me! Could you be so cavalier about
> your wife's health?
> approached a line of cars in lane 1 doing around 70-80, I slowed to under 100.
Wouldn't like you on the same stretch of road as me, doing 120 in a
panic.
As your wife has been diagnosed as having had an anxiety attack (panic
attack), would it not be a good idea if you asked your doctor for a few
betablockers like Propanalol. These can stop a panic attack within a few
minutes.
Regards
antonye
>
> And lastly, if I found you doing 120mph I would expect your
> wife to be in serious difficulties to justify the speed.
> This sounds harsh, but it has to be. Again, if it was that
> serious, I'd put your wife in the police car, and get her
> their in that.
You should have a word with the cunts here in Essex then.
My wife went into labour 6 weeks early (read: bleeding
profusely in the middle of Ikea) and we were faced with
either a 30 minute plus wait for an ambulance to take
her to the nearest hospital with no maternity facilities
or making it the 30+ miles back to the nearest maternity
hospital where they would have the facilities to cope with
a premature labour.
Having manoeuvred the wife into the car and starting to
pull out of Ikea car-park, I met a nice young Essex plod
in a big Vauxhall Cav (so not a local patrol car) and
went to have a (rather worried) word with him about what
I could do to get my wife and unborn child to the hospital
before they both bled to death. His exact words were
"I'm sorry we don't do that." and carried on drinking his
takeaway Starbucks. Thanks a fucking bunch mate, you really
put my faith back into the Police there.
As it turned out I managed to do the M25 and A12 in just
over 20 minutes topping out at 135 in the clear patches.
Chloe was born 45 minutes later at just over 5lb and spent
the next week in intensive care in the neo natal unit.
To be honest, they could have banned me for a year and
given me a very large fine, but given the choice I would
have done exactly the same and will do so again if I need
to.
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> In article <VA.000009e...@ukrm.net>, sp...@ukrm.net says...
>
>>Stu wittered on about:
>>Not being a medical professional, and seeing the state Lesley was in at the
>>time, it looked pretty damn serious to me! Could you be so cavalier about
>>your wife's health?
>>[1] Example, at one point I was doing 120mph, clear road, no hazards. As I
>>approached a line of cars in lane 1 doing around 70-80, I slowed to under 100.
>
>
> Wouldn't like you on the same stretch of road as me, doing 120 in a
> panic.
He didn't say he was in a panic, just in a hurry. I had a similar
incident quite a few years ago when my daughter got something stuck in
her throat. I took her *very* speedily to the hospital. Afterwards,
everyone remarked how calm and casula I had appeared.
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> On 25 Apr 2003 07:27:17 -0700, roger....@sun.com (The Old Fogey)
> wrote:
>
> >Rope <sp...@ukrm.net> wrote in message news:<VA.000009e...@ukrm.net>...
> >
> >>
> >> This involved highly illegal speeds
> >
> >It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
> >ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
> >or cars, bikes etc.
>
> Where on earth did you get that gem from? If only it were true...
Section 87 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984,
at a rough guess.
Of course the laws may be different in Switzerland.
Roger.
joe parkin
> joe parkin wrote:
> > In article <VA.000009e...@ukrm.net>, sp...@ukrm.net says...
> >
> >>Stu wittered on about:
>
> >>Not being a medical professional, and seeing the state Lesley was in at the
> >>time, it looked pretty damn serious to me! Could you be so cavalier about
> >>your wife's health?
> >>[1] Example, at one point I was doing 120mph, clear road, no hazards. As I
> >>approached a line of cars in lane 1 doing around 70-80, I slowed to under 100.
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't like you on the same stretch of road as me, doing 120 in a
> > panic.
>
> He didn't say he was in a panic, just in a hurry. I had a similar
> incident quite a few years ago when my daughter got something stuck in
> her throat. I took her *very* speedily to the hospital. Afterwards,
> everyone remarked how calm and casula I had appeared.
"but as I said above, at the time, it seemed pretty serious to me, and
more importantly, to Lesley."
I took this as an indication that he was at a heightened emotional
state, that would lead him to different judgement calls than when
driving calmly.
Maybe I am jumping to conclusions, but WTF it's only ukrm and I have all
my apostrophies in the correct place.
Regards
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> Ace <b.ro...@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<7lhiav8qkojkegv9n...@4ax.com>...
>> On 25 Apr 2003 07:27:17 -0700, roger....@sun.com (The Old Fogey)
>>
>> >ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
>> >or cars, bikes etc.
>>
>> Where on earth did you get that gem from? If only it were true...
>
> Section 87 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984,
> at a rough guess.
Yers, but it wasn't being used for ambulance purposes, was it,
any more than it was being used for police or fire brigade
purposes, it was just being used to drive his wife to hospital.
There is always the defence that what you did was 'necessary'.
Robinecj
>
>Yers, but it wasn't being used for ambulance purposes, was it,
>>> >It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
>>> >ambulance purposes
Is an ambulance not a vehicle that takes people to and from hospitals? If not,
what might it be?
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> Ben wittered on about:
> > Why didn't you just call an ambulance?
>
> Because the hospital, and the ambulance station, are > 15
> miles away. Usual response times ad > 30 minutes
>
>
Where ambulance stations are based covering rural areas where ambulance
takes over a certain amount of time to reach, they place vehicles on
standby between areas (ie villages) wherever possible in order to be able
to cover the patch effectively.
The length of time the ambulance will take to reach something like a
couple of fingers being shortened would probably depend on whether they
class it as an emergency or an urgent case.
An emergency incident means the vehicle has to reach the patient within 8
minutes in rural areas (in order to meet the Orcon response standard), an
urgent incident means they have up to an hour to attend.
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> Rope <sp...@ukrm.net> wrote in message news:<VA.000009e...@ukrm.net>...
>
> >
> > This involved highly illegal speeds
>
> It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
> ambulance purposes, whether big, white and slow with flashing lights,
> or cars, bikes etc.
>
Riight. So this is why vehicles equipped with blues and twos have to
*prove* they were attending an incident if they get flashed by speed
and/or traffic light cameras then?
Ken@home
news:20030425174245...@mb-m19.aol.com...
> >From: Simian Sim...@simian.org.uk
> >
>
> >Yers, but it wasn't being used for ambulance purposes, was it,
>
> >>> >It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being
used for
> >>> >ambulance purposes
>
> Is an ambulance not a vehicle that takes people to and from
hospitals? If not,
> what might it be?
>
You need to distinguish between an "ambulance" and "ambulance
purposes" - the DVLA tightened the definition of an ambulane up a
couple of years ago as too many vehicles were claiming to be
ambulances and getting the ved exemption (including undertakers
"private ambulance" vehicles used to collect bodies from hospitals) As
I understand it, they can still have the words "ambulance" on the sid,
but no longer qualify for the ved exemption
"Ambulance purposes" is a different kettle of fish - for example, a
BASICS doctor who goes out when requested by an ambulance service to
assist at an accident will often have blue lights (and undertaken
additional driving courses) as, given they are taking equipment and
expertise to render aid, they are deemed to be serving an ambulance
purpose" - likewise the paramedics on bike with their blues, are being
used for "ambulance purposes" although it would be difficult to
qualify as an ambulance (certainly under the DVLA definition)
As to speed limits not applying, perhaps my understanding is wrong
(JP?) - but basically speeding is absolute - you either are or you are
not, but if the vehicle is being used for appropriate purposes - eg
ambulance purposes, then there is a defence that observing the speed
limit would have adversely affected the use of the vehicle for said
purpose - if a case was brought, it would ultimatly be up to the
magistrates to hear evidence and then to accept or reject the defence.
(I may of course be totally wrong, but this is what I was taught when
I doing my driving assesment to use blue lights for a VAS - together
with the comment from the assessor "remember its you license on the
line, not mine").
Simian
>>From: Simian Sim...@simian.org.uk
>>
>
>>Yers, but it wasn't being used for ambulance purposes, was it,
>
>>>> >It wasn't illegal. Speed limits don't apply to vehicles being used for
>>>> >ambulance purposes
>
> Is an ambulance not a vehicle that takes people to and from hospitals? If not,
> what might it be?
>
Why the fuck have you rearranged the post to put my comment above the
previous one?
No matter; the chances of an untrained driver, in an unmarked vehicle,
*not under the direction of the ambulance service* or police officer,
having his 140mph jaunt down the M4 classed as "for ambulance purposes"
under English law are so slim as to be laughable.
If his wife is bleeding to death in the back, he could use the defence
that it was necessary to do so, but it still wouldn't make it for
ambulance purposes.
Rope
> Wouldn't like you on the same stretch of road as me, doing 120 in a
> panic.
I was not in a panic - I did state that I was driving as quickly and
*smoothly* as I could!
> As your wife has been diagnosed as having had an anxiety attack (panic
> attack), would it not be a good idea if you asked your doctor for a few
> betablockers like Propanalol. These can stop a panic attack within a few
> minutes.
That would be fine if:
a) She had ever had one before
b) we knew it was an anxiety attack (see a))
c) I believed in drugs as the primary answer to this shit!
Rope
> state, that would lead him to different judgement calls than when
> driving calmly.
No, I don't do heightened emotional states TYVM
> Maybe I am jumping to conclusions, but WTF it's only ukrm and I have all
> my apostrophies in the correct place.
You'll fit in just fine ;^)
joe parkin
> > As your wife has been diagnosed as having had an anxiety attack (panic
> > attack), would it not be a good idea if you asked your doctor for a few
> > betablockers like Propanalol. These can stop a panic attack within a few
> > minutes.
>
> That would be fine if:
> a) She had ever had one before
> b) we knew it was an anxiety attack (see a))
> c) I believed in drugs as the primary answer to this shit!
The Old Fogey
> If his wife is bleeding to death in the back, he could use the defence
> that it was necessary to do so, but it still wouldn't make it for
> ambulance purposes.
Oh yes it would!
(As long as he was driving to the hospital. It wouldn't if he was driving
to a secluded glade with a spade, rope and plastic sheet in the boot.)
--
Roger.
DangerScouse
Simian
> Simian <Sim...@simian.org.uk> wrote in message news:<slrnbakhn6...@monkey.localdomain>...
>
>> If his wife is bleeding to death in the back, he could use the defence
>> that it was necessary to do so, but it still wouldn't make it for
>> ambulance purposes.
>
> Oh yes it would!
Hint: 'ambulance purposes' is in a list along with 'police purposes',
what do you think would would qualify a car as being used for police
purposes?
John
joe parkin wrote:
> In article <3EA99807...@yahoo.co.uk>, some...@yahoo.co.uk says...
> Maybe I am jumping to conclusions, but WTF it's only ukrm and I have all
> my apostrophies in the correct place.
We'll done that man!
John
> The Old Fogey :
> Hint: 'ambulance purposes' is in a list along with 'police purposes',
> what do you think would would qualify a car as being used for police
> purposes?
>
Rushing off to make a citizen's arrest?
Mick Whittingham
<Sim...@simian.org.uk> writes
--
Mick Whittingham
'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.'
William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2.
nehpetsthegrey
>Stu wrote:
>>
>My wife went into labour 6 weeks early (read: bleeding
>profusely in the middle of Ikea) and we were faced with
>either a 30 minute plus wait for an ambulance to take
>her to the nearest hospital with no maternity facilities
>or making it the 30+ miles back to the nearest maternity
>hospital where they would have the facilities to cope with
>a premature labour.
>
>To be honest, they could have banned me for a year and
>given me a very large fine, but given the choice I would
>have done exactly the same and will do so again if I need
>to
Fair play that man. And if we were honest all reading this would
admit that if we were faced with the descision you faced, we would
(should ?) all do the same. If not, WTF are you doing driving a bike,
and reading this newsgroup ?????.
--
Now as grey as gandalf, but not quite as old!!!
Bear
Well I don't necessarily think bikes and rebellion *have* to go hand in
hand, but if I was sober to drive and knew my wife was sprogging too
early and possibly at risk, then yes, full berries would be applied.
The only thing that would worry me was whether, in my concerned state, I
would make mistakes that wouldn't otherwise be there; in Ant's case I'm
sure he drove with all due care, but the problems occur if you have a
concerned person, with their mind not really on things, doing warp
speeds and possibly ending the lives of others as well as themselves.
But yes, I'd have most likely done the same thing.
Come to think of it, that's pretty much how I drive normally :)
--
Bear
These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Bears
Yamaha YZF-R1
"I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now"
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antonye
>
> The only thing that would worry me was whether, in my
> concerned state, I would make mistakes that wouldn't
> otherwise be there; in Ant's case I'm sure he drove with
> all due care, but the problems occur if you have a
> concerned person, with their mind not really on things,
> doing warp speeds and possibly ending the lives of others
> as well as themselves.
Having your wife literally bleeding to death next to
you in the car doesn't do much to help with the concentration
and I must admit that I drove pretty much flat out all
the way.
Both the A12 and M25 were pretty clear at 11.30 on a
monday morning, so the flow of traffic was fine. The
only problem was at the A12/M25 interchange where there
was a bloke in a van who just wouldn't shift over from
the outside lane but insisted on doing 65mph. Yes, I
drove like a cunt to get past him and harassed him
somewhat but I tried to stick my hand up apologetically
as I passed and just hoped he'd see what was going on
in the passenger seat too.
The one thing that I did learn from this experience though
was to give a second thought to *any* vehicle approaching
at a rapid speed behind you and possibly showing cuntish
behaviour - flashing lights, indicators, etc - as how else
are you supposed to show that you are rather desperate
to get past!
Bear
> Bear wrote:
> The one thing that I did learn from this experience though
> was to give a second thought to *any* vehicle approaching
> at a rapid speed behind you and possibly showing cuntish
> behaviour - flashing lights, indicators, etc - as how else
> are you supposed to show that you are rather desperate
> to get past!
As I said, knowing you as I do, I'm sure you took as much care as you
possibly could at the time.
Had you crashed and killed all 3 of you, history would have said
"idiot"; had you waited for an ambulance that arrived too late to save
either your wife or child, history would have said "poor fool", but as
you did it, and got away with it, you're a hero. And I would have done
*exactly* the same thing.
Only faster, obviously ;)
PS. I *still* can't get that conversation in the White Horse the day
before out of my mind: me saying "well even if it's premature now you're
home and dry, so don't worry" :)
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <MPG.1913ab49c...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
> Maybe I am jumping to conclusions, but WTF it's only ukrm and I have all
> my apostrophies in the correct place.
Even if you can't spell them... ;-)
--
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GSX600F, RG250WD. "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO# 003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
joe parkin
Ivan...@brunel.ac.uk says...
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:30:36 +0100, joe parkin <joep...@btinternet.com>
> wrote in <MPG.1913ab49c...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
> > Maybe I am jumping to conclusions, but WTF it's only ukrm and I have all
> > my apostrophies in the correct place.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Even if you can't spell them... ;-)
I'm sorry, I have a cold.
antonye
>
> PS. I *still* can't get that conversation in the White Horse
> the day before out of my mind: me saying "well even if it's
> premature now you're home and dry, so don't worry" :)
ergo, it's all your fault.
Bear
> Bear wrote:
> >
> > PS. I *still* can't get that conversation in the White Horse
> > the day before out of my mind: me saying "well even if it's
> > premature now you're home and dry, so don't worry" :)
>
> ergo, it's all your fault.
Well der; that's a no brainer :)