e-mail to:
scott.h...@glasgow.gov.uk
Environmental and Protection Services,
Taxis and Private Hire Enforcement Unit,
231 George Street,
G1 1RX.
Dear Sirs
I understand that you have recently had a complaint made against the
driver of the Private hire car with plate no.2266.
I would like to point out to you that within the cycling community the
complainant is a serial complainer about the driving habits of
motorists - and always wears a video camera and sound recorder whilst
he is cycling in order to ensnare unaware drivers.
This is quite a common practice amongst a small group of cyclists
which enables them to act as an agent provocateur and to ride in an
irresponsible fashion which causes incidents which they then attempt
to put the blame for, on other parties. Indeed, sometimes such
serious accidents can be caused in this fashion that the threat or
reality of a court case can lead to the cyclist receiving significant
monetary compensation.
It should be also be noted that taxi drivers, and the drivers of
Private Hire vehicles are common targets, as complaints can be made to
an authority which will then reprimand a driver, who in reality was
not actually at fault. This however causes significant
self-satisfaction to the cyclist and they are then able to brag about
their "achievement" in internet cycling forums.
I would draw your attention to the web site:
http://www.youtube.com/user/magnatom where you may see for yourself
the further activities of the complainant.
Of particular interest are those videos where "magnatom" clearly
points out to the driver that the video will be on u-tube and that a
detailed closed up of the vehicles registration plate is recorded. One
may wonder why this action is taken - it is most certainly
unnecessary; but is certainly threatening and intimidation.
The threats which are made to the drivers are probably common assault;
and these criminal acts are then often compounded by the thumping and
kicking of vehicles in order to cause criminal damage.
I trust that you will exonerate the driver who was involved in this
incident - and perhaps also circulate to the Taxi and Private Hire
Companies the gist of this communication so that their own drivers are
suitably forewarned.
Regards
Bad driving that endangers other road users is commonplace and usually
unreported because it is difficult to get evidence. That is no reason
for exoneration when the evidence has been collected.
I notice on this one:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ
He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake, but he
misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to change lane.
While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if you do that on two
wheels it is suicidal.
If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating, whether
stationary or not, you do so at your own peril. Rights of way are
meaningless when you are dead.
Do they respond to anonymous letters, or is "Regards" your name?
> "relevant" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Here is a letter I have sent - perhaps a few more on similar lines
> [big snip]
> I notice on this one:
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ
> He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake, but he
> misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to change lane.
> While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if you do that on two
> wheels it is suicidal.
> If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating, whether
> stationary or not, you do so at your own peril. Rights of way are
> meaningless when you are dead.
In his video "Undertaking On A Roundabout", the same poster castigates a
car-driver who passes him on the nearside on a large roundabout. The
roundabout seems to be the one seen in the video referenced in the OP and the
cyclist is way over to the offside, hard up against the island (incidentally
passing over a distinctive hatched-off area).
Perhaps he thinks that it is unlawful to pass on the nearside on a roundabout
(it isn't). And if one really objects to being "undertaken", perhaps it'd be
btter not to hog the offside edge of the one-way stretch of road which is the
carriageway of a large roundabout.
Another of his videos ("White van-driver teaches me a lesson") appears to be
functionally identical to the one involving the private hire car - recorded
over the same route, in the same sort of conditions and almost at the same spot.
Different motor vehicle, different driver, same cyclist.
Anyone spot a pattern here?
> relevant <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Here is a letter I have sent - perhaps a few more on similar lines
>> e-mail to:
>> scott.hanni...@glasgow.gov.uk
>> Environmental and Protection Services,
>> Taxis and Private Hire Enforcement Unit,
>> 231 George Street,
>> G1 1RX.
>> Dear Sirs
>> I understand that you have recently had a complaint made against the
>> driver of the Private hire car with plate no.2266.
>> I would like to point out to you that within the cycling community the
>> complainant is a serial complainer about the driving habits of
>> motorists - and always wears a video camera and sound recorder whilst
>> he is cycling in order to ensnare unaware drivers.
[snip]
>> I trust that you will exonerate the driver who was involved in this
>> incident - and perhaps also circulate to the Taxi and Private Hire
>> Companies the gist of this communication so that their own drivers are
>> suitably forewarned.
>> Regards
> Do they respond to anonymous letters, or is "Regards" your name?
He should have included his correct full name and address - just like you do.
Yes, but let's not be too harsh. Not all motorists are like that. Many
are not aggressive and do respect other road-users.
Point is though if there is a spot where the same incident tends to occur,
it might be better to either find a way to stop it happening or to use
another route. Trying to educate aggressive drivers is futile, because for
every one that you have a run-in with, there will be another hundred who
need to be enlightened.
There is also a good argument, that when there is a driver who is harassing
you by trying to overtake when it is not safe, you slow down or stop and get
out of the way. It may not be "Right" but at least it means there is no
nasty incident.
Yes indeed on both counts. I might do as you say, but perhaps this
cyclist is trying to enlighten these aggressive drivers who need
educating. Obviously the vast majority of us do not wish to ride
around with a head-mounted camera, whose last ever shot is likely to
be blue sky and the fading sound of "sorry mate I didn't s..."
Can you suggest any faults in his cycling in that video? (Apart from
maybe going into a hatched area on the roundabout.)
James
His cycling seems fine, and I can't see that the driver did anything
wrong either.
Magna's a thoughtful, sensible chap and his efforts have resulted in
First Buses changing their policy with regard to cyclists, but the
roundabout clip is daft IMO.
He also illegally entered a box junction at about 0:53.
--
Matt B
>AndyC wrote:
>
>> "relevant" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> Here is a letter I have sent - perhaps a few more on similar lines
>> [big snip]
>
>> I notice on this one:
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ
>
>> He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake, but he
>> misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to change lane.
>> While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if you do that on two
>> wheels it is suicidal.
>> If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating, whether
>> stationary or not, you do so at your own peril. Rights of way are
>> meaningless when you are dead.
>
>In his video "Undertaking On A Roundabout", the same poster castigates a
>car-driver who passes him on the nearside on a large roundabout.
I think from memory that that car is a private hire.
What does vendetta mean?
and indeed I did - I will provide any response.
LOL. Get some help with your issues, before you end up under my wheels.
Do you bring your anger problem up at your regular reviews?
And thanks for the warning, I shall avoid cycling in Lincolnshire.
Hey, why not complain? You're good at that! LOL
But no, I dont, because you dont make me angry. You make me laugh. You
seem to have real problems with blinkers, old son. And unless you can
get that sack of spuds off your shoulder, you WILL have a serious
incident. And since you're on 2 wheels and your inevitable opponent will
have four, there's a good chance it'll cost you more than cash. Here's
hoping, eh?
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
"This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
Terms Of Use."
Would you like the address?
No thanks it's not Relevant.
As you wish. Now, wanna acknowledge the lawbreaking of Magna/you in the
video, while you're feeling so magnanimous?
To quote me earlier:-
Oh yes, easily.
Hogging the road by riding too far right on the roundabout is an obvious one
(if there is room to be undertaken, he's too far to the right - and the
evidence suggests that he does it repeatedly, deliberately and provocatively).
Likewise, he rides a long way out from the kerb (again, repeatedly) in a
place where he must know by now that people in faster vehicles will wish to
overtake him. Aggain, the evidebnce suggests that he does it deliberately and
provocatively as part of his constant seeking of confrontation and trouble.
But I'm not the first to suggest that.
It isn't up to him to provide driving tuition.
Don't see the relevance of that.
> What does vendetta mean?
Well, quite.
Out of interest, what lane would you take whilst cycling if you want
the third or fourth exit on a roundabout?
If you feel magan ought not be on the inside, presumably you'd cycle
around the edge of the roundabout in the left hand lane.
Good luck with that!
Yeah, I read it the first time. I still cant see where you said that the
cyclist had broken the law though. Why wont you admit it - its utterly
clear that his verbal assault amounted to a S5 public order offence. Why
will you ONLY spot offences by car drivers (and thats on the extremely
debatable idea that there WAS any).
This Sunday I'll be doing a charity race in our gravity racer and I've
got some questions about bearings and wheels on it. I daren't ask them
here, because I dont want to be associated with a group which seems to
REVEL in a reputation of being bitter, twisted, jealous 'cage haters'.
Sad, that, innit?
> If you feel magan ought not be on the inside, presumably you'd cycle
> around the edge of the roundabout in the left hand lane.
>
> Good luck with that!
Whats that got to do with him riding across the hatching?
The phrase "inside [lane]" suggests "nearside [lane]" to me (and, I suspect,
to most people. You appear to mean the offside.
When turning right at a roundabout (ie, doing 270 degrees around it), using
the right-hand side of the carriageway, which I would describe as the
offside, is certainly acceptable - for the first part of the journey around
the roundabout.
Describing a bee-line from the offside edge of the carriageway (next to the
island) only when the exit becomes tangential to that tight circle around the
island is not the correct way to do it. The path of the vehicle (seen from
above) should be part of a widening spiral with the vehicle moving left.
Where roundabouts are cmarked with lane lines (and many are), this is
demonstrated vividly.
Staying on the offside of the carriageway until almost opposite the exit is
discourteous to following traffic - and invites overtaking on the left (which
is not illegal).
So, there's nothing wrong with magna's cycling, or the car that
"undertakes".
Which is what I said.
There *is* something wrong with his cycling.
He repeatedly fails to behave properly on a roundabout and (in what I assume
to be his ignorance) tries to hog the entire carriageway by taking a selfish
line too far to the right when approaching the exit, thinking that this
should be enough to prohibit any overtaking on the left.
That would be selfish discourtesy no matter what vehicle he was using.
Very sad. You are too full of anger, hate and bile (or as you prefer
to call it, laughter) to post sensible questions to the group, with
which some here could perhaps help. You may not wish to be associated
with URC, but, guess what, here you are. Go on, dare to be a Daniel!
She was asking for it, your honour. No real man could have resisted
the temptation.
>
> But I'm not the first to suggest that.
>
> It isn't up to him to provide driving tuition.
We can all learn from others. I know that I have learnt from things
that motorists (and other cyclists) have said in these groups, as well
as from experience on the road. (Some of that with unreasonable
people).
Our racer's been laid up outside - its too big to get in the shed -
since it was last used at Belchford downhill where we found ourselves to
be very competitive with vastly better resourced vehicles. Putting it on
axle stands and spinning the wheels, the two rear ones span, on a full
arms shove - subjective but good enough for our purposes -, for between
70 and 90 seconds each. Stripping the hubs down and pulling out the
bearings, we cleaned them and their recess and put them back dry, then
added a couple of drops of 3in1 to each set. The wheels then span for
more than eight minutes, but the racket off them is awe-inspiring.
Longevity isn't an issue as the course is under a mile and we're happy
to change bearings even between runs if we have to, but it'd be nice to
be a bit quieter, if only because other teams will wonder whether we
simply didn't bother putting the bearings back. We've already got tyres
that were recommended in this group last summer, and we run them at
about twice the PSI on the sidewall (about 100 or so PSI) so they're
solid as a rock. Without resorting to rebodying the kart for
aerodynamics, what else can we do to improve optimum speed?
Bait ignored.
I'd keep to the left-hand lane as is recommended by the Highway Code.
If I felt unsafe - I would get off and walk round.
It is quite apparent that he has a vendetta against taxi and hire
cars.
As has been suggested elsewhere - it is probably because he can
complain to the licensing authority about the driving and get someone
in to "trouble" which is probably the object of his offensive riding
activities.
> JNugent <J...@noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>> judithta...@privacy.net wrote:
> It is quite apparent that he has a vendetta against taxi and hire
> cars.
It is quite apparent that he has a screw loose. Maybe more than one. I'm glad
his stamping ground is a good few hundred miles away from mine.
I've found with wheels on my road bike and hybrid that I get a bit of noise
from the bearings if I use too much of a light oil - such as 3-in-1 - as it
can do a good job of removing the heavier bearing grease. I suggest you
look at a thicker grease for the bearings - this may reduce noise a little.
That was the only obvious thing from my point of view. There are far more
experienced HPV types here who could give more recommendations for the rest.
Cheers
Colin
Professional jealousy, I'll be bound.
Well done you!
You shouldn't use Google Groups then - once you gain more experience
you will be able to move on to a proper news reader.
No, a proper news reader would probably stop me seeing the green
inking name-shifters, and I'd miss the laughs.
I've corrected your spelling error above...
As you wish. That too.
I agree, I do not like to see this position taken up, it violates the
primary rules of the road I use which are; Keep left; Never go so
fast that you cannot stop within the distance you can see to be
clear; Be respectful and courteous of ther road users, allowing for
poor judgement.
I have motored passed many a police car on his nearside when he was
hogging the outside lane, because I obey the first rule and they
failed on the first and last, I have never been stopped for this, most
people fear that they will.
Rubber mounts for your axles.
If your bearings are plain(not rolling ball), you may fins that lard
is better.
If you are using ball bearings, use 3inone "cycle" oil. Yellow
instead of red graphics.
Gearbox oil works well.
Increase your kart's mass to the maximum permissable, then adjust your
tyre pressures for fastest times. A lower pressure may well improve
your time over a pressure suitable for a billiard table. You really
should be using disc wheels.
I don't think I would ride like that on the roundabout, but it's hard
to be sure without more careful examination than I can be bothered
with. It is clearly limited to a single lane (by hatching) in some
places.
You will have noticed however that the dangerous overtaking manouevre
was some distance off the roundabout, at a place where the road is
clearly too narrow for this to be done safely (given the parked cars).
Now, remind me again, what should he have done to avoid this
situation?
James
I'll look out for it. How much? (Not how much IS it, how much to USE)
> Gearbox oil works well.
> Increase your kart's mass to the maximum permissable, then adjust your
> tyre pressures for fastest times.
Yup, we're at max weight allowed, ballasted for change of 'drivers'.
> A lower pressure may well improve
> your time over a pressure suitable for a billiard table.
That seriously hadn't occurred to me - why would a lower pressure be
likely to help?
> You really
> should be using disc wheels.
>
We've made discs from resin'd card as we couldn't find discs to suit the
wheels. One of our biggest issues that I forgot to mention is that our
wheels are still hung off their original forks, but that the weight is
not OVER the hub in the conventional way and is instead obviously much
greater on the inner face. Is it possible to beef up one side of
bearings to account for that?
>
> When turning right at a roundabout (ie, doing 270 degrees around it),
> using the right-hand side of the carriageway, which I would describe as
> the offside, is certainly acceptable - for the first part of the journey
> around the roundabout.
>
> Describing a bee-line from the offside edge of the carriageway (next to
> the island) only when the exit becomes tangential to that tight circle
> around the island is not the correct way to do it.
Wrong, this is the correct way (for motor vehicles). Spiralling wastes road
space and creates a t-bone risk from drivers waitiong to join before your
exit - a very critical point for cycling.
> Where roundabouts are cmarked with lane lines (and many are), this is
> demonstrated vividly.
They did this in Bracknell for a while about 6 or 7 years ago and thankfully
changed their minds a few months later. I know a few other authorities
haven't bothered to remove them. Some are acceptable, some I ignore.
> Wrong, this is the correct way (for motor vehicles). Spiralling wastes road
> space and creates a t-bone risk from drivers waitiong to join before your
> exit - a very critical point for cycling.
In that case, you'l be able to point out a Highway Code or Road Traffic Act
provision which contradicts what I said.
I'm not holding my breath.
>> Where roundabouts are cmarked with lane lines (and many are), this is
>> demonstrated vividly.
> They did this in Bracknell for a while about 6 or 7 years ago and thankfully
> changed their minds a few months later. I know a few other authorities
> haven't bothered to remove them. Some are acceptable, some I ignore.
Bracknell (for all its merits) is not the United Kingdom.
> >> aerodynamics, what else can we do to improve optimum speed?
>
> > Rubber mounts for your axles.
> > If your bearings are plain(not rolling ball), you may fins that lard
> > is better.
> > If you are using ball bearings, use 3inone "cycle" oil. Yellow
> > instead of red graphics.
>
> I'll look out for it. How much? (Not how much IS it, how much to USE)
One drop is not enough, if it floods out, its more than enough. From
a dry cycle bearing, I would think 1 - 2ml It's nothing to worry
about if you use plenty. I found it some years back at B&Q may also
be labelled as lawnmower oil.
>
> > Gearbox oil works well.
> > Increase your kart's mass to the maximum permissable, then adjust your
> > tyre pressures for fastest times.
>
> Yup, we're at max weight allowed, ballasted for change of 'drivers'.
>
> > A lower pressure may well improve
> > your time over a pressure suitable for a billiard table.
>
> That seriously hadn't occurred to me - why would a lower pressure be
> likely to help?
By reducing impact transmission to the kart. That noise you're
hearing probably originates from the road. It is a sign of reduced
efficiency.
> You really
> > should be using disc wheels.
>
> We've made discs from resin'd card as we couldn't find discs to suit the
> wheels.
I meant wooden or steel discs, not a cover on a bke wheel. By using
solid wood or steel discs you would have higher rigidity, not only
reducing rolling resistance but also permitting greater cornering
forces without wheel collapse.
> One of our biggest issues that I forgot to mention is that our
> wheels are still hung off their original forks, but that the weight is
> not OVER the hub in the conventional way and is instead obviously much
> greater on the inner face. Is it possible to beef up one side of
> bearings to account for that?
I'm not comprehending the above, wheels should be perpendicular to the
road surface, otherwise rolling losses will occur due to tyre scrub.
This would be made worse by lower tyre pressures. The steere of a
kart is the same weight as a cyclist so I cannot see any need to
enlarge the bearings. An axle not rigidly mounted will help to
minimise the stress that the bearings take.
> I notice on this one:
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ
>
> He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake,
> but he misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to
> change lane. While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if
> you do that on two wheels it is suicidal.
No it isn't---I haven't watch the cited video clip but have done what
you describe several times (often after establishing eye contact,
etc.) over the last few decades and I haven't once ended up dead.
> If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating,
> whether stationary or not, you do so at your own peril.
This is a statement of the bleeding obvious. If you overtake a car
which is not indicating and it pulls out anyway, you do that at your
own peril, too. Likewise riding in the primary position between
pedestrian islands. Also riding along a featureless road with no-one
else for miles around. If you aren't careful, you'll fall into the
trap of condoning the argument that only cars should be on the roads
by using this line of reasoning.
> Rights of way are meaningless when you are dead.
True; but it does come across as reminiscent of the wife defending the
husband who beats her. Sometimes, you have to stand up to the bully:
`better to die on one's feet than live forever on one's knees'.
--
Mark
Having watched the video, I'd say the overtake had begun before the car was
indicating to change lane. It definitely wasn't what AndyC implies. You can
see when the rider is checking behind to start the overtake - at that point
the car isn't indicating. On the driver's part, it's quite close to
"manoeuvre, signal, mirror" - it's not a carefully planned lane change, but
fortunately the driver apparently knows this and knows to check in the
mirror again before finishing it.
Definitely not suicidal either - if he'd hit the car, it would only have
been painful, due to it being at low speed on both parts.
It's interesting how a description of something can be notionally accurate,
yet very misleading. I'm glad I bothered to look at the video.
>AndyC wrote:
>> "relevant" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:spqfo4tm44m0783rj...@4ax.com...
>>> Here is a letter I have sent - perhaps a few more on similar lines
>> [big snip]
>>
>> I notice on this one:
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7drPCPfWCIQ
>>
>> He admits to his mistake of not using the whole lane to overtake, but he
>> misses the fact that he overtook a car that was indicating to change lane.
>> While that is commonly done by aggressive drivers, if you do that on two
>> wheels it is suicidal.
>>
>> If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating, whether
>> stationary or not, you do so at your own peril. Rights of way are
>> meaningless when you are dead.
>
>He also illegally entered a box junction at about 0:53.
Quite:
174
Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road
(see 'Road markings'). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road
or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you
want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming
traffic, or by other vehicles
I think they are like red-lights for cyclists - optional.
At 1.10 minute into the video, the car is clearly indicating to change lane
and has already begun to move to the right (although stationary at that
time). If I were driving a car behind, I would *not* continue to overtake it
unless I was certain that the car was not going to move, and if I did
continue to overtake, I would do so slowly and cautiously with as much width
at possible. If I were on either a motorcycle or bicycle I would be even
more cautious and if there was the slightest hint of movement I would stop
and let them go. This is because the risk of injury would be far greater on
two wheels.
You can
> see when the rider is checking behind to start the overtake - at that
> point the car isn't indicating. On the driver's part, it's quite close to
> "manoeuvre, signal, mirror" - it's not a carefully planned lane change,
> but fortunately the driver apparently knows this and knows to check in the
> mirror again before finishing it.
You can make a fairly good assumption that a car indicating intends to move
in that direction and if you overtake that vehicle, they may drive into your
path. A friend of mine did that on a motorbike: overtook a car indicting
right which resulted in a nasty accident as the driver had not seen him. Car
driver was deemed to be at fault. Not very comforting though when in a coma.
> Definitely not suicidal either - if he'd hit the car, it would only have
> been painful, due to it being at low speed on both parts.
My own concern is not only a low speed crash, but being knocked-over and
under the wheels of something bigger as a result. Particalarly at places
where you have traffic at (or near to) a halt, changing lane, and faster
moving traffic on the outer lane.
We have probably all done it at some point but it is only a matter of
time...
>> If you are going to overtake a car that is already indicating,
>> whether stationary or not, you do so at your own peril.
>
> This is a statement of the bleeding obvious. If you overtake a car
> which is not indicating and it pulls out anyway, you do that at your
> own peril, too.
Indeed. Cars drivers do not always indicate. I see it a lot. Therefore if a
car is *not* indicating you need to be equally cautious overtaking it. If
the car *IS* indicatiing at least they are forewarning you that they are
about to pull into your path.
Likewise riding in the primary position between
> pedestrian islands.
Disagree. Where the road is too narrow to be overtaken, in the centre of the
lane is the safest place.
Also riding along a featureless road with no-one
> else for miles around. If you aren't careful, you'll fall into the
> trap of condoning the argument that only cars should be on the roads
> by using this line of reasoning.
Nonsense. Car drivers can get away with sloppy and discourteous driving
habits. In fact, the bigger the vehicle, the more sloppy your driving can be
and the more aggressive the driving can be, simply because other road users
will instictively respect the danger posed. If you adopt the same sloppy
discourteous cycling habits, you are (IMHO) not likely to fare as well. As a
cyclist, it can be annoying having to show courtesy and regard for safety
when the majority of other road users don't. But as cyclists we have more at
stake in the event of a even a minor collision.
>> Rights of way are meaningless when you are dead.
>
> True; but it does come across as reminiscent of the wife defending the
> husband who beats her. Sometimes, you have to stand up to the bully:
> `better to die on one's feet than live forever on one's knees'.
Yes, I agree with the sentiment. That means that we adopt the same attitude
to cycling as we do to driving. But rather than lower our cycling standards
to that of the average driver, we increase our driving standards
accordingly. This is why I believe cyclists (and motorcyclists) make better,
safer car drivers.
>At 1.10 minute into the video, the car is clearly indicating to change lane
>and has already begun to move to the right (although stationary at that
>time). If I were driving a car behind, I would *not* continue to overtake it
>unless I was certain that the car was not going to move,
Really? Signals are informative, not instructive. I did once get
shouted at be some bloke who pulled out right in front of me as I
was driving along - I had to brake very sharply to avoid him. He
came back and remonstrated with me because he said he had indicated
before pulling away. So yes there are drivers who think that their
indicator gives them the right to conflict with other traffic, but I
believe they are wrong about that.
Guy
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Agreed. If a car is signalling to pull out in front of you it is best to let
them go. OTOH if you are waiting to pull out yourself, it is better to wait
until it is safe to do so before performing the manoeuvre.
If the traffic is moving very slowly or stopping and starting and you signal
that you intend to pull out, any half courteous driver will let you out
anyway. If they block you, it just shows their arrogance. Perhaps that's why
Guy was shouted at :-)
>On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:19:40 -0000, "AndyC"
><web-...@andycrawford.net> said in
><gmgkq3$9b5$1...@news.motzarella.org>:
>
>>At 1.10 minute into the video, the car is clearly indicating to change lane
>>and has already begun to move to the right (although stationary at that
>>time). If I were driving a car behind, I would *not* continue to overtake it
>>unless I was certain that the car was not going to move,
>
>Really? Signals are informative, not instructive.
The driver has indicated his intention of pulling out and has already
started doing so, and you have seen him.
Anyone who would not accept this as a sensible instruction to self:
"he is indicating, he is pulling out, I would be a fool to ignore
him" - truly is a fuckwit.
But yes - we are talking about Chapman
I wonder did something similar happen to yourself - were you actually
knocked off you bike and suffered a bang to the head.
You really do seem to have some sort of brain damage- or are you just
daft?
judith <judit...@live.co.uk>
--
I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman)
I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy
Chapman)
I would challenge judith to find the place where I said I encourage
my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman)
I pointed out the web page
He then quickly changed the web page - but "forgot" to change the date
of last amendment so it looked like the change had been there for
years.
>If the traffic is moving very slowly or stopping and starting and you signal
>that you intend to pull out, any half courteous driver will let you out
>anyway. If they block you, it just shows their arrogance. Perhaps that's why
>Guy was shouted at :-)
Unlikely. It was a 40mph limit, I was driving along at 40mph, her
pulled out from a lay-by right in front of me and I only just
managed to avoid hitting him. Had I hit him, there is no doubt at
all that the blame would have been his.
I was only teasing :-)
~ The HC shows both spiral and concentric.
~ Do you claim that spiralling does not create a t-bone risk?
~ Do yo claim that spiralling does not waste road space (why would a dual
carriageway be provided if it is intended that it should not be used)?
Oh, and I have yet to find a roundabout that matches the one shown in the
HC. A 4 arm dual cariageway is very rare (maybe there are a few in London -
but London is not the UK). The proportions (width/diameter/vehicle size) are
also rather skewed in the picture. The spiral doesn't look as bad as it
would in practice where the blue car would have less room to keep rolling.
>>> Where roundabouts are cmarked with lane lines (and many are), this is
>>> demonstrated vividly.
>
>> They did this in Bracknell for a while about 6 or 7 years ago and
>> thankfully
>> changed their minds a few months later. I know a few other authorities
>> haven't bothered to remove them. Some are acceptable, some I ignore.
>
> Bracknell (for all its merits) is not the United Kingdom.
Perhaps so, but Bracknell is a wealthy region and possibly has enough spare
tax payers' cash to cover their original errors. Or maybe something to do
with the proximity of the TRRL?