It's about time that the UK government started to look at Immigration
Issues concerning Persons who are suspected to have links with know
terrorist groups, or persons from countries with terrorist activates.
For instance take a look at the Tipton Taliban, what were they doing in
Afghanistan in the first place? Studying or site seeing the wonders of
Kabul. If they was there studying, what was they studying? How to
become a wife beater no doubt. What should have happened was once they
had been released from Guantanamo bay
They should have had their UK passports taken away and sent back to
Afghanistan.
Abu Hamza al-Masri was preaching at finsbury park mosque, yet he had
known terrorist links and was wanted in Yemen. Why was he or any person
with known links ever let in?
Let just hope Governments stop listening to the do-gooders in this
world and start kicking people back home who may be a risk.
Steve
If you beat the crap out of your neighbour, would you consider it unfair for
him to hit you back?
At the end of the day (as they say) we have all the money in the world and
thus associated stealth fighters/bombers, modern sub machineguns, various
urban warfare weaponry, gunship attack helicopters etc etc. They have AK47's
and home made explosives, how the hell else do you expect them to fight
back?
Fuck knows it ain't right, but I'd do the same in their shoes. What's their
alternative?
Gunpowder, treason and plot?
wipe THEM out? .......
Yeah, yeah, "nuke 'em".... the same was said after the plane/tower meeting.
But it isn't going to happen is it, no matter how much you'd like it to, so,
what are the realistic alternatives?
And that's a serious question, I'd like to know how you think it can be
solved? You see, just as I'm sure the German army in 1939 were convinced
they stood for what was right, so do these nasty little fuckers. Both sides,
us and them, believe the other side is deadly wrong.
There's one thing quite sure though, unless it is sorted one way or another
fairly quickly, we're in deep shit. Iran is well on the way to creating a
cosy nuclear stockpile and I'm sure they wont have treaties, protests and
beaurocracy to deal with before cleansing us westerners.
Yes but that ends in the inevitable drunken fight. You punch me, I punch
you, you punch me, I punch you.....
We should let this one go, but make is very clear that if there are ANY more
attacks they will be destroyed. If it does hasppen again, I can't see how
public opinion could possibly disagree with the ensuing masacre. We did warn
them afterall and as long as we did nothing to provoke it, apart from "being
western" then I can't see how anybody could disagree, could they?
It's like, if you go out on the town and have a few too many and pick on a
particularly big bouncer... the guys's pretty calm and politely asks you not
to hit him again, you do, then he says, ok, last chance if you hit me again
I'll kill you. You'd take another look at the size of the guy and reconsider
your position... at least I'd hope so anyway.
It's been a long time since I heard such a load of shite as I've heard on
this thread.
I particularly enjoy the comments about deporting a million or so people,
stripping British citizenship from native born Britons (who happen to have
brown skin, of course) and nuking millions of innocent people. I do wonder
about the sanity of people who see Saudi Arabia as some sort of model. You
might think you want to fight for your way of life but you're sure as fuck
not fighting for mine.
Osama bin Laden is a murdering fascist bastard but at least he has some
inkling of what makes us tick, which is more than you lot have about the
people we're fighting. So we invade Iraq to get rid of an, admittedly,
mass-murdering dictator, but one who did a pretty good job of squashing
Al-Qa'eda on his own territory. Well, that did just a good job of making us
safer, didn't it? Let's send 20,000 troops and spend a couple of billion a
year to fight a bankrupt country and turn it in to a terrorist shooting
range while the real enemy slits our throats in our own beds. Great idea.
I bet MI6 could have done with the money, but hey, espionage isn't so
telegenic.
Now you all want to 'nuke' Iran, heretically Shi'ite Iran, Osama's sworn
enemy Iran. When you're fighting a war, opening up an irrelevant second
front (Iraq) is stupid. Opening up an irrelevant third front is lunacy.
Iran wants nukes to have a strategic nuclear balance with Israel. So? I'd
rather they didn't, but it's not our fight is it.
Bin Laden has always wanted to manipulate the West into destroying his
opponents in the Middle East. If you lot are reflective of the state of
public opinion, I'd say he's winning.
But you all go back to your cosy little all white small towns, thinking the
world would be great if we sent all those nasty brown people 'home', those
of us here in the front line of terrorism will continue to fly the flag for
civilisation.
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73
Gerry G0RTN
Vanity Page at http://www.gerrylynch.co.uk
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No.... It was before I was born. Do you?
KW
Are you Richard Reid ?
KW
>So we invade Iraq to get rid of an, admittedly,
>mass-murdering dictator, but one who did a pretty good job of squashing
>Al-Qa'eda on his own territory.
The actual position with regard to terrorism and Iraq is that five
weeks before the invasion, the JIC had judged that such an act would
heighten the risks.
Downing Street has said it was "not aware" whether the concerns had
been passed on to the rest of the Cabinet
Officials said that Blair stood by the decision to go to war.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/12/1063268547402.html?from=storyrhs
from
Aero Spike
Oh come on!
It was bad and I feel sympathy for the victims and their families, but my
god was it inevitable. If you weren't expecting it, you are a fool. If you
choose to stay in the bullseye of Britain, then don't complain when somebody
hits it.
Thank you for the reminder. Lest we forget.
Well it wasn't the yanks trying to hit it, otherwise I would feel safer
there, unless they were aiming for the g8 conference ;-#
> There's one thing quite sure though, unless it is sorted one way or another
> fairly quickly, we're in deep shit. Iran is well on the way to creating a
> cosy nuclear stockpile and I'm sure they wont have treaties, protests and
> beaurocracy to deal with before cleansing us westerners.
>
Do you really believe that if Iran was anywhere near building a nuclear weapon
and a delivery system that all those stealth bombers and other conventional
weapons would lie idle? Do a Google for 'Osiraq' or 'Daura'. The current
negotiations are an attempt to prevent a recurrence of that, not to avoid
an Iranian nuclear weapon.
Iran has exactly zero chance of nuking anyone. In any case they are not the
problem, small groups of fundamentalists, unaffiliated to any nation state,
are. It is, IMHO, a good job that they are so piss-poor at what they do. If
Afghan heroin dealers can deliver tonnes of product to the U.K. each year it
does seem surprising that the despicable bombs of yesterday were so small.
(Cue conspiracy theorists). It seems to me that yesterday proves that the
terrorists are a bunch of disorganised religious loonys, with no chance of
really changing anything. Hitler managed more effective attacks every day for
several years without any success.
My heartfelt condolences and sympathy to those involved in yesterday's
outrage. Nothing above should be taken to belittle their suffering or the
outstanding work done by the emergency services.
vy 73
Andy, M1EBV
Well said. When you're right, you're right (© Old Nick).
vy 73
Andy, M1EBV
>
> It's about time that the UK government started to look at Immigration
> Issues concerning Persons who are suspected to have links with know
> terrorist groups, or persons from countries with terrorist activates.
>
> For instance take a look at the Tipton Taliban, what were they doing in
>
> Afghanistan in the first place? Studying or site seeing the wonders of
> Kabul. If they was there studying, what was they studying? How to
> become a wife beater no doubt. What should have happened was once they
> had been released from Guantanamo bay
> They should have had their UK passports taken away and sent back to
> Afghanistan.
>
No immigration issues here then. They are all British. Even the Americans
didn't think they were guilty. They are brown, though, which seems enough
for you.
>
> Abu Hamza al-Masri was preaching at finsbury park mosque, yet he had
> known terrorist links and was wanted in Yemen. Why was he or any person
>
> with known links ever let in?
Honey pot, maybe? You are just a little slow on the uptake, OM.
>
> Let just hope Governments stop listening to the do-gooders in this
> world and start kicking people back home who may be a risk.
>
>
I suspect you may be a racist. We should lock you up just in case.
Never mind about the rule of law, you obviously don't.
Andy, M1EBV
Another racist git.
When the'oirish had a go at Manchester we were on our way down south on the
first day of our holiday .
As we passed Bristol we heard the news , the XYL was frantic to say the
least , we'd dropped the lad off to do some shopping and he missed it by the
skin of his teeth the bus was passing Strangeway when he heard the BANG.
Yesterday he was passing through London to New York , needless to say panic
set in .
This morning a text message and tele-conferencing set her mind a rest , he
evidently found out about it when landed.
What will they do if they find them AND they are found guilty .
If they were charged with TREASON they could then be HANGED .
That would only make them martyrs to their cause and in their heaven sooner
rather than later.
New York , Madrid and London , religious bigotry has over the centuries
caused the lives of Billions to be lost.
DieSea
May I suggest you try reading some of the M3 bashing threads?
HTH
tox
Yeah, they could start by kicking you bloody Anglo-Saxons back to Holland
and Denmark. This was a great country before you lot came here in the 6th
Century and refused to assimilate into our culture.
I've yet to hear anyone suggest nuking Potter's Bar.
Then again... hehhehheheheh.
>
> True. But whilst you have nation states, who are seemingly happy to
> provide a shelter for the operations and continued existence of those
> small groups of fanatics,
Which nation states are doing that, Nick? I'd be interested in your list.
> the governments and peoples of those states,
> must expect both preventative military action before the atrocities
> take place, and/or retaliatory action afterwards.
You see Nick, this is where I take exception - the 'people' of these states
have little say in their governments. Hell, if we can't stop our government
committing illegal acts of aggression in a relatively open society, what
hope do people in dictatorships have?
I can't see the difference between the mentality that says that they are
legitimate targets and the mentality that says that people going to work in
London are legitimate targets. I'm not going to come off with any crap like
an eye for an eye leaves us all blind. There's a few people I'd gladly poke
the eye out of, but I want to make sure I do it to the right people.
We tried the retaliatory action stunt in Afghanistan. We killed a couple of
thousand innocent people and Osama bin Laden got away. That's as stupid as
it is wrong.
> "blackbox" <blac...@limited.com> wrote in message
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>
>>London has been hit by a number of terrorist bombs.
>>
>>Evil B*STARDS.
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/
>>
>>BB
>>
>>
>
> Remember 5/11?
>
>
I'm not that sure of what happened at eleven minutes past nine, let
alone what happened at eleven minutes past 5.
Can you enlighten me, please?
Dave
Certainly not, you're at your worst when miserable...or should that be best
;-)
tox (getting ready to visit the Truro rally)
And the B&B, Me Lord, my brother and I are going down there Saturday morning
:-(
It's not just about profit, though. If profit were the motive, I wouldn't
bother with the small rallies at all. However, I really enjoy visiting
rallies, both large and small.
To me, it's a day or two away from the drudgery of the office. Also, meeting
people from this forum and having a chat is great fun. It's amazing how may
people lurk on this forum and find our banter hilarious. They often ask when
I'll get my badge back ;-)
Regards
tox
Oh, I suppose we'd have to let you stay on family unity grounds.
I didn't think the puny powers of mortal governments caused you a moment's
thought anyway.
If the latter is in retaliation for the former, then unpleasant though it is
at
the personal level for those unfortunate enough to be caught up; at the
national level the response by the international Muslim community
is proportionate.
The "Allies" in recent conflicts justified their murdering of innocent
civilians by dismissing them as "collateral". OK, so Tony Blair now has his
own "collateral" on his own doorstep.
Perhaps good will come out of this - if we now realise the nasty effects
upon
our fellow humans of explosives and take an international lead of pacifism.
This attack on England is the legacy of Lilibet Windsor and of Tony Blair's
war-mongering. Perhaps it is time that they were both gone?
"Gerard Lynch" <gerry...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote in message
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Perhaps good will come out of this if we acknowledge that religion
is an indicator of mental illness; if we send all religionists to the loony
bin; if, like the proposed ban on smoking in public places, we forbid
the expression of religious loonyism in public places?
"Polymath" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Of course not.
It is very much _HER_ way of life. War-mongering is the one area of public
life over which she retains absolute control. Therefore the bombings by
Britland
on the Muslim civilian populations of (the former) Yugoslavia, Afghanistan,
and Iraq are _HER_ way of life, a way of life that she clearly intends
to continue.
Time that she and her ilk were done away with? The civilain population
of Britland now seems unanimous in proscribing such horrors.
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Oi, I am going to be gloomy and despondent enough in my muddy field
without any help thank you very much!
Trev
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UKSMG #217
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Or frustration at the killfiles.
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Gerry G0RTN
Vanity Page at http://www.gerrylynch.co.uk
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I am not bothered by killfiles; especially as those who have made
a point about including me in theirs tend to be those who have originated
much in the way of infantile personal attacks and who then look very silly
when I do not respond and who then try and desperately save face by
broadcasting their use of a killfile.
As to infantile personal attacks, consider your own post quoted below.
Is "G0RTN" some form of Children's Broadcast (CB) licence?
"Gerard Lynch" <gerry...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Responding to his own posts twice in a row. A sure sign of madness.
> Or frustration at the killfiles.
How someone who trumpets on numerous occasions that he
has killfiled me can then run sobbing and screaming to the plod pod
with a complaint that what I post in response to his infantile
goading causes him harrassment?
If he doesn't see the posts then he can't be harassed by them!
Another desperate attempt to save face, but in a different form?
Perhaps there was a conspiracy of collusion and perjury between the
complainant and the paranoid obsessive AKA, "Mrs.Nugatory"?
That might explain the strange approach in the NG to Mrs.Nugatory by the
complainant in the weeks just before the _TWO_ statements of
complaint were written, on the 7th and the 21st February?
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Remember - we don't know who did it; and on a previous occasion,
the arse-lickers of Lililbet Windsor tortured the Birmingham 6 to
extract confessions.
The Crown of Britland is capable of anything!
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> On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:08:53 +0000 (UTC), Dave
> <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm not that sure of what happened at eleven minutes past nine, let
>>alone what happened at eleven minutes past 5.
>>
>>Can you enlighten me, please?
>>
>>Dave
>
>
> Something to do with that guy who forks?
Even at my age, I can fork quite well :-)
Very rigedly, I might add.
Dave
Well having just got back Nick, I can say you are partly right! The
weather has been 'scorchio' and the horse flies out in force; I think I
preferred it when it was wet and miserable. Band conditions collapsed
right on cue with a series of solar flares an hour before start time and
we struggled for every point. I have little doubt that decent
propagation at 50MHz is returning in force as I type this!
Being some way off the beaten track we didn't see any traffic never mind
caravans. The journey home was much better, not quite up to the beach
scenery, but definitely not to be sneezed at:-)
I should be so lucky! I think you may mean that place in South Devon
over the border. Blackpool Sands I believe..
>I should be so lucky! I think you may mean that place in South Devon
>over the border. Blackpool Sands I believe..
The north end of Slapton Sands, just past where the A379 starts to climb
up to Strete, always used to be the (unofficial) nudist beach - it may
well still be. Some of them would even get out of their cars unclad, and
stroll down onto the beach. Blackpool Sands is (AIUI) a pay-beach these
days, and I doubt that nudism would be allowed there, as it's a 'family'
sort of place.
ObAR: I like the hill/clifftop spots around the South Hams - Bolberry
Down in particular is good for VHF/UHF, using the mobile gear or even
just a handheld.
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