cameron and bishops rail at 'new' labour corruption....
abelard
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/3982485/Brown-has-brought-Britain-to-the-brink-of-bankruptcy.html
"A belief in responsibility is a riposte, too, to those on the Left
who have positively relished this crisis for the stake it has
supposedly driven through the wicked heart of capitalism. Wrong again.
The greatest failure has been regulatory failure. The system
established by Gordon Brown completely failed to identify and deal
with a borrowing boom that ran out of control. This was little wonder
when the man responsible claimed to have "ended boom and bust". Labour
itself was so determined to prove its business-friendly credentials
that it has not dared to say boo to a corporate goose for over a
decade. Instead, it is the modern Conservative Party that has spoken
out on the need for corporate responsibility."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5407191.ece
"Gordon Brown faced an unprecedented assault from the Church of
England today after leading Bishops delivered a damning assessment of
Labour’s record on debt and spending.
Five senior figures from the Church of England warned that the country
was suffering from family breakdown, an addiction to debt and a
growing gap between rich and poor. The Bishop of Manchester went
further, branding Labour 'morally corrupt'.
The Bishops of Durham, Winchester, Manchester, Carlisle and Hulme used
weekend interviews to accuse ministers of squandering their
opportunity to transform society and pursuing 'scandalous' policies."
regards....
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aracari
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:43:33 +0100 'abelard'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/3982485/Brown-has-brought-Britain-to-the-brink-of-bankruptcy.html
>"A belief in responsibility is a riposte, too, to those on the Left
>who have positively relished this crisis for the stake it has
>supposedly driven through the wicked heart of capitalism. Wrong again.
>The greatest failure has been regulatory failure. The system
>established by Gordon Brown completely failed to identify and deal
>with a borrowing boom that ran out of control. This was little wonder
>when the man responsible claimed to have "ended boom and bust". Labour
>itself was so determined to prove its business-friendly credentials
>that it has not dared to say boo to a corporate goose for over a
>decade. Instead, it is the modern Conservative Party that has spoken
>out on the need for corporate responsibility."
That's an excellent article which hits every nail on the head.
I could almost believe that they're browsing ukpm for words
and phrases to use to describe Brown's economic chaos ;-)
So many are familiar!
Obviously, they understand the issues that have brought us to
this. DC's opportunities for putting it straight are huge and it
won't be the first time they've had to do it.
>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5407191.ece
>"Gordon Brown faced an unprecedented assault from the Church of
>England today after leading Bishops delivered a damning assessment of
>Labour’s record on debt and spending.
>
>Five senior figures from the Church of England warned that the country
>was suffering from family breakdown, an addiction to debt and a
>growing gap between rich and poor. The Bishop of Manchester went
>further, branding Labour 'morally corrupt'.
>
>The Bishops of Durham, Winchester, Manchester, Carlisle and Hulme used
>weekend interviews to accuse ministers of squandering their
>opportunity to transform society and pursuing 'scandalous' policies."
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you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.
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http://www.daviddavisforfreedom.com/
...the battle against totalitarian 'database Britain'
under Gordon Brown's NooLab socialist government.
abelard
<spam...@vailable.here.com> wrote:
>
>On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:43:33 +0100 'abelard'
>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/3982485/Brown-has-brought-Britain-to-the-brink-of-bankruptcy.html
>>"A belief in responsibility is a riposte, too, to those on the Left
>>who have positively relished this crisis for the stake it has
>>supposedly driven through the wicked heart of capitalism. Wrong again.
>>The greatest failure has been regulatory failure. The system
>>established by Gordon Brown completely failed to identify and deal
>>with a borrowing boom that ran out of control. This was little wonder
>>when the man responsible claimed to have "ended boom and bust". Labour
>>itself was so determined to prove its business-friendly credentials
>>that it has not dared to say boo to a corporate goose for over a
>>decade. Instead, it is the modern Conservative Party that has spoken
>>out on the need for corporate responsibility."
>
>That's an excellent article which hits every nail on the head.
>I could almost believe that they're browsing ukpm for words
>and phrases to use to describe Brown's economic chaos ;-)
>So many are familiar!
i cannot imagine otherwise....
>Obviously, they understand the issues that have brought us to
>this. DC's opportunities for putting it straight are huge and it
>won't be the first time they've had to do it.
just so......but rushing it is not best....
it's a job of education among other matters...
the clown will cling on until the last moment by his fingertips...
regards
aracari
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:22:08 +0100 'abelard'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
At this rate, any so-called rise in personal wealth over the last
10 years will be wiped out by a credit-caused recession and
higher taxes to pay for Brown's profligate spending. More people
impoverished than ever before under a Labour Govt. When was it
ever any different? And Brown's solution? why yes -- still more
of the same; the economics of the socialist madhouse.
abelard
<spam...@vailable.here.com> wrote:
not only has the clown been stealing an every increasing amount
from the national wealth....he has wasted most of it....
not only is he wasting the wealth of the uk...he has been borrowing
prodigiously and wasting that on top....
all he leaves behind will be debt and destruction......
the regular patrimony of any socialist government
hummingbird
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:58 +0000, aracari
> <spam...@vailable.here.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:22:08 +0100 'abelard'
>>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:47:58 +0000, aracari
>>><spam...@vailable.here.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:43:33 +0100 'abelard'
>>>>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>>>
Which one are you in the very last segment of this video?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE
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abelard
>Which one are you in the very last segment of this video?
>
>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE
i don't waste my time
if you have something to say...
hummingbird
>>>>
>>>>At this rate, any so-called rise in personal wealth over the
>>>>last 10 years will be wiped out by a credit-caused recession
>>>>and higher taxes to pay for Brown's profligate spending. More
>>>>people impoverished than ever before under a Labour Govt. When
>>>>was it ever any different? And Brown's solution? why yes --
>>>>still more of the same; the economics of the socialist
>>>>madhouse .
>>>
>>> not only has the clown been stealing an every increasing
>>> amount from the national wealth....he has wasted most of
>>> it.... not only is he wasting the wealth of the uk...he has
>>> been borrowing prodigiously and wasting that on top... .
>>>
>>> all he leaves behind will be debt and destruction......
>>> the regular patrimony of any socialist government
>>
>>
>> Which one are you in the very last segment of this video?
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE
>>
>
> i don't waste my time
> if you have something to say...
>
Awwww, lighten up. No politics please, it's Christmas time!
Don't pretend to be a Mr Misery and be serious at this time of
year.
Chill out. Relax. Sit back. See the vid.
abelard
i don't have the 'problems' you suggest...
but i don't happily suffer or even welcome trivia...unless it's funny!
aracari
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:52:06 +0100 'abelard'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
It looks like there's a fair chance in 1Q09 that he's gonna
go for broke. Possibly pouring more £billions into the banks and
wasteful spending programmes to defy nature and hinder future
recovery.
abelard
<spam...@vailable.here.com> wrote:
i believe he is an inveterate coward...
it would surprise me if he dared an election
but he's also a gambler and i can't read tea leaves in this confusion
hummingbird
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:33:20 GMT, hummingbird
> <whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon 29 Dec08 00:07, abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At this rate, any so-called rise in personal wealth over the
>>>>>>last 10 years will be wiped out by a credit-caused recession
>>>>>>and higher taxes to pay for Brown's profligate spending.
>>>>>>More people impoverished than ever before under a Labour
>>>>>>Govt. When was it ever any different? And Brown's solution?
>>>>>>why yes -- still more of the same; the economics of the
>>>>>>socialist madhouse .
>>>>>
>>>>> not only has the clown been stealing an every increasing
>>>>> amount from the national wealth....he has wasted most of
>>>>> it.... not only is he wasting the wealth of the uk...he has
>>>>> been borrowing prodigiously and wasting that on top... .
>>>>>
>>>>> all he leaves behind will be debt and destruction......
>>>>> the regular patrimony of any socialist government
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which one are you in the very last segment of this video?
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE
>
>>> i don't waste my time
>>> if you have something to say...
>
>>Awwww, lighten up. No politics please, it's Christmas time!
>>
>>Don't pretend to be a Mr Misery and be serious at this time of
>>year.
>>
>>Chill out. Relax. Sit back. See the vid.
>
> i don't have the 'problems' you suggest...
> but i don't happily suffer or even welcome trivia...unless it's
> funny!
>
The vid is funny and silly and stupid and non-PC. You can safely
take a peek. The last segment has an ending which surprised me!
abelard
<whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> wrote:
standard chav fair....why should i wish to watch stupidity?....
the world is jam packed over supplied with stupidity....
i'm much more interested in lowering the stupidity index
hummingbird
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:24:06 GMT, hummingbird
> <whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon 29 Dec08 00:34, abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:33:20 GMT, hummingbird
>>> <whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon 29 Dec08 00:07, abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At this rate, any so-called rise in personal wealth over
>>>>>>>>the last 10 years will be wiped out by a credit-caused
>>>>>>>>recession and higher taxes to pay for Brown's profligate
>>>>>>>>spending. More people impoverished than ever before under
>>>>>>>>a Labour Govt. When was it ever any different? And Brown's
>>>>>>>>solution? why yes -- still more of the same; the economics
>>>>>>>>of the socialist madhouse .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not only has the clown been stealing an every increasing
>>>>>>> amount from the national wealth....he has wasted most of
>>>>>>> it.... not only is he wasting the wealth of the uk...he
>>>>>>> has been borrowing prodigiously and wasting that on top...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all he leaves behind will be debt and destruction......
>>>>>>> the regular patrimony of any socialist government
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which one are you in the very last segment of this video?
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE
>>>
>>>>> i don't waste my time
>>>>> if you have something to say...
>>>
>>>>Awwww, lighten up. No politics please, it's Christmas time!
>>>>
>>>>Don't pretend to be a Mr Misery and be serious at this time of
>>>>year.
>>>>
>>>>Chill out. Relax. Sit back. See the vid.
>>>
>>> i don't have the 'problems' you suggest... but i don't happily
>>> suffer or even welcome trivia...unless it's funny!
>>
>> The vid is funny and silly and stupid and non-PC. You can
>> safely take a peek. The last segment has an ending which
>> surprised me!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE
>
> standard chav fair....why should i wish to watch stupidity?....
> the world is jam packed over supplied with stupidity....
>
> i'm much more interested in lowering the stupidity index
>
Your house must have been like a morgue over Christmas. Did you
insist you talked only of factual matters over dinner?
Did you demand no silliness and no fooling around from everyone
the last time you went to a party? Maybe you don't go to parties.
How did I guess? How sad. Try and live with your heart and not
just your mind.
You sound a bit like a Scrooge who can't let his hair down at
Christmas and enjoy what almost everyone else enjoys.
In fact you're probably more like another of Dickens's characters:
headmaster Gradgrind in Hard Times. The "hard facts" man. The
one without a streak of human emotion anywhere in him. The very
clever one the reader feels very sorry for.
A relevant extract from Hard Times:
http://www.doceo.co.uk/background/gradgrind.htm
Includes "Murdering The Innocents"
abelard
<whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> wrote:
i read....i wached the first year of 'outnumbered'......
i played with a new toy....i ate some chocolate....
i went around a deserted public garden...i discovered a new
and useful picnic spot....i talked to a person in a far way
country....
and much else.......i'm very content...
>Did you demand no silliness and no fooling around from everyone
>the last time you went to a party? Maybe you don't go to parties.
>How did I guess? How sad. Try and live with your heart and not
>just your mind.
when i go to parties i often sit and read until someone
decides they want to talk....
now and again they have something to say
>You sound a bit like a Scrooge who can't let his hair down at
>Christmas and enjoy what almost everyone else enjoys.
why on earth would i seek to enjoy what others appear to
enjoy...
let them enjoy what they wish......and let me enjoy what i wish
>In fact you're probably more like another of Dickens's characters:
>headmaster Gradgrind in Hard Times. The "hard facts" man. The
>one without a streak of human emotion anywhere in him. The very
>clever one the reader feels very sorry for.
>
>A relevant extract from Hard Times:
>http://www.doceo.co.uk/background/gradgrind.htm
>Includes "Murdering The Innocents"
i've never read a compete book....or even more than a few pages
of dickens...
i prefer non-fiction.....
why on earth are you disturbed that not everyone wishes to live
in your world of trivia?
why would anyone wish to wallow in emotion?
you could always go bungy jumping.....
i'd just watch in bemusement at your folly
hummingbird
>>Did you demand no silliness and no fooling around from everyone
>>the last time you went to a party? Maybe you don't go to parties.
>>How did I guess? How sad. Try and live with your heart and not
>>just your mind.
>
> when i go to parties i often sit and read until someone
> decides they want to talk....
>
> now and again they have something to say
>
Oh no! What a boor! :-)
Dickens's Gradgrind would most certainly have approved.
abelard
<whiteh...@REMOVETHIStoucano.plus.com> wrote:
looks like he was rather addicted to words without much
reference to reality....
i prefer wittgenstein...
"the world is everything that is the case."
"philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence
by means of language"
hummingbird
However in philosphy and metaphysics the primacy of consciousness,
which your quotations seem to suggest, is likely to be held to be
a fallacy. If you subscribe to it, material realism starts by
seeing reality as absolute and then believes existence is primary.
Within which there must be consciousness.
So according to this conscious interpretations (which I feel is
your quoted "our intelligence") follow, not lead.
Do we really need any of this at Christmas? :-)
Ari®
> However in philosphy and metaphysics
LOL!
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Thomas Stevens
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:27:49 GMT, hummingbird ACTING OUT wrote:
>
>> However in philosphy and metaphysics
>
> LOL!
Meet "Kinky" Friedman, not "Ari Silverstein"!:
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/uploads/1156281126/gallery_414_82_1157190589.jpg
hummingbird
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:54:49 -0500 'AriŽ'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:27:49 GMT,
>FRANKLIN ACTING OUT hummingbird wrote:
>
>> However in philosphy and metaphysics
>
>LOL!
--
Frank J. Camper is a redneck neo-nazi with connections to the
KKK and spent years in jail for a serious crime. He used to run
a mercenary training camp for wannabe terrorists, sometimes
referred to as a "glorified paint-balling training camp".
He was eventually apprehended by the FBI and prosecuted for
a serious crime committed in California...
Frank J. Camper's sordid, criminal life:
http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/2006/08/terrorist-threat-boys-from-birmingham.html
"Camper was arrested in 1986 and charged with conspiracy
to blow up the cars of three women in California.
He was found guilty and sentenced to nine years in prison.
On appeal, one of the charges was overturned.
That isn't the telling part of that tale though. During the
trial and again during the appeal he claimed to be a high-level
US government intelligence agent. He was invited to prove it.
He could produce no evidence nor a credible witness to verify
his claim and the assertion was dismissed."
More here about Frank J. Camper's <Merc School>:
http://stanooch.tripod.com/mercgrads.html
NY Times article about Frank J. Camper:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE5D81F3DF932A15756C0A960948260
Frank J. Camper's appeal against 9 years imprisonment:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/us_v_hedgcorth.txt
Listen to (5min radio interview) Frank J. Camper stepping on glass:
http://archives.cbc.ca/society/crime_justice/clips/5700/
Ari Silverslime, er sorry Frank J. Camper, posted with a sigline
containing "Meet Ari" with a link to a photo of: "Kinky" Friedman
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/uploads/1156281126/gallery_414_82_1157190589.jpg
.....sorry Frank, that isn't you.
Franklin
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:27:49 GMT, hummingbird ACTING OUT wrote:
>
>> However in philosphy and metaphysics
>
> LOL!
Sad to admit but some of my logic classes were actually taught by the
philosophy department. Yes, I know. Actually, many of their
lecturers there were surprisingly well grounded in the real world and
knocked up sensible stuff like "The Merger of Knowledge with Power".
But who cares about that right now. There's no time for it at the
moment. Pass me a drink, a party hat, some streamers, crackers and
noise makers. ĄFiesta! Play some cheesy super-cheesy trash Euro
pop. Loud. Derrida is just going to have to wait. Let's go! ...
job...@hushmail.com
Archived!
Ari®
> On Mon 29 Dec08 04:54, Ari® <TheJoos...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:27:49 GMT, hummingbird ACTING OUT wrote:
>>
>>> However in philosphy and metaphysics
>>
>> LOL!
>
> Sad to admit but some of my logic classes were actually taught by the
> philosophy department. Yes, I know. Actually, many of their
> lecturers there were surprisingly well grounded in the real world and
> knocked up sensible stuff like "The Merger of Knowledge with Power".
>
> But who cares about that right now. There's no time for it at the
> moment. Pass me a drink, a party hat, some streamers, crackers and
> noise makers. ¡Fiesta! Play some cheesy super-cheesy trash Euro
> pop. Loud. Derrida is just going to have to wait. Let's go! ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFzyYYZsxGc etc
The Latino/Spicko, so talented.
aracARI
> On Mon 29 Dec08 04:54, Ari® <TheJoos...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:27:49 GMT, hummingbird ACTING OUT wrote:
>>
>>> However in philosphy and metaphysics
>>
>> LOL!
>
> Sad to admit but some of my logic classes were actually taught by the
> philosophy department. Yes, I know. Actually, many of their
> lecturers there were surprisingly well grounded in the real world and
> knocked up sensible stuff like "The Merger of Knowledge with Power".
>
> But who cares about that right now. There's no time for it at the
> moment. Pass me a drink, a party hat, some streamers, crackers and
> noise makers. ¡Fiesta! Play some cheesy super-cheesy trash Euro
> pop. Loud. Derrida is just going to have to wait. Let's go! ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFzyYYZsxGc etc
Let's applaud the party of freeware scientist Bear Bottoms, the GOPs!
http://www.prwatch.org/node/8097
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfxVkLhlu5s&eurl
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Thomas Stevens
Meet "Kinky" Friedman, not "Ari Silverstein"!:
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/uploads/1156281126/gallery_414_82_1157190589.jpg
Thomas Stevens
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:06:39 GMT, Franklin wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:27:49 GMT, hummingbird ACTING OUT wrote:
>>>
>>>> However in philosphy and metaphysics
>>> LOL!
>> Sad to admit but some of my logic classes were actually taught by the
>> philosophy department. Yes, I know. Actually, many of their
>> lecturers there were surprisingly well grounded in the real world and
>> knocked up sensible stuff like "The Merger of Knowledge with Power".
>>
>> But who cares about that right now. There's no time for it at the
>> moment. Pass me a drink, a party hat, some streamers, crackers and
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFzyYYZsxGc etc
>
> Let's applaud the party
Meet "Kinky" Friedman, not "Ari Silverstein"!:
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/uploads/1156281126/gallery_414_82_1157190589.jpg