Re: Yorkshire Ripper cover-up

[Special Care]

On Sep 21, 1:58 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 5:09 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Holland might have been involved up to his neck re what was going on..
> > but it was a Press Conference ,,, a Public presentation from the
> > forces of lor an order,, and they  Stuck Oldfield up on the podium,,
> > the *most* public face involved in the manhunt..
>
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>
> DICK HOLLAND AND THE FAKE DEBATES
>
> Before he died Dick Holland appeared as a ‘talking head’ in some of
> the TV documentaries which parroted the Peter Sutcliffe Myth. It’s
> painful to listen to him.
>
> After Sutcliffe forced his arrest, a fake axiom was adopted as an
> article of faith, the doctrine that there was only one Yorkshire
> Ripper and he is Peter Sutcliffe. Thou shalt not have strange gods
> before me........... and the many previous statements that there were
> two killers involved were reclassified as heresy/apostasy and must
> never be mentioned again. Noel O’Gara - a lone voice for many years -
> wouldn’t adopt the new religion, and he was ridiculed for stating the
> obvious, meaning the core truth that there were two Yorkshire Rippers
> and the main one was allowed to remain free.
>
> When a fake axiom is imposed, the script is rewritten so as to lend a
> fake plausibility to the new fake axiom.
> In those misguided TV documentaries, Dick Holland was reading from
> that new script.
>
> THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL / NEW AXIOMS / REWRITTEN SCRIPTS:
>
> For those who want to understand the psychology, most of us have
> experienced or observed the ending of an intense love relationship.
> Usually when such a relationship ends, something similar happens. One
> or both partners replace the previous axioms with new axioms (possibly
> fake though sometimes newly accepted truths) so as to rationalise the
> new situation. Then new scripts are written and recited to lend
> plausibility to the new axioms concerning the relationship that is
> ending.
>
> Axioms and scripts or discussions to support them are necessary if
> society is to function. Sometimes the axioms are false.
>
> Nearly all of us have experienced or observed that process in action.
> So *the psychology of love relationships in decline* is an aid to
> understanding the psychodynamics of The Peter Sutcliffe Myth, which is
> a fake axiom that required the rewriting of all relevant scripts to
> lend a fake plausibility to the new fake axiom.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> The Yorkshire Ripper cover-up is a BIG LIE. People can’t cope with it
> because its implications overturn the lazy, conventional view of our
> society. If you let yourself think it through all the way, the
> Yorkshire Ripper cover-up means that the West Yorkshire Police, Leeds
> Chamber of Commerce, Margaret Thatcher and many other pillars of the
> community are accomplices in the serial murder of women in England as
> a result of taking the decision to call off the hunt for the Yorkshire
> Ripper by pretending he had been caught.
>
> When the truth is too much to bear, human beings take refuge in fake
> axioms and the fake scripts that lend plausibility to those fake
> axioms. So Dick Holland was given an easy ride in those fake TV
> documentaries. The alternative was too painful.
>
> The furore died down, Mrs T was free to dance across the world stage
> without the potential embarrassment of the Keystone Cops of Yorkshire,
> and Leeds began to boom again as ‘the hub of the north.’
>
> But at a terrible price.
>
> The spectre of The Real Yorkshire Ripper still casts a menacing shadow
> over us all, contaminating our emotional integrity and engraving an
> embarrassing question mark on the validity of our societal contract
> between government and governed.
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> FAKE SMILES AT THE FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc
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> Noel O'Gara interviews Ron Warren in Leeds, December 2004:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSaYJg9gMU
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[Special Care]

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OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !

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I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”

Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.

“…The next victim was another teenager, aged sixteen, still at school
in her home town of Harrogate in North Yorkshire. On 17 February 1979
she was attacked from behind during the early hours of the morning and
hit across the head with a blunt instrument. The girl, Miss M,
suffered severe head injuries, but since she had not seen her attacker
could not help police with a description.

Somewhat extraordinarily, the police in North Yorkshire did not regard
this as a crime and concluded that she had fallen on an icy pavement
and injured herself.

…….an official report would conclude several years later:
‘……..although Professor Gee studied the X-ray photographs of Miss M’s
skull and said that the injuries were not consistent with a hammer
attack, she had three clearly visible semicircular injuries to her
scalp which even to the layman were not consistent with an accidental
fall.’”

[End of brief extract from Michael Bilton’s book, reproduced for
review/promotion purposes in accordance with copyright law.]

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Yes well, we are all very polite and refined in Harrogate.

We don’t do Yorkshire Ripper in Harrogate.

So yes………..

“Somewhat extraordinarily, the police in North Yorkshire did not
regard this as a crime and concluded that she had fallen on an icy
pavement and injured herself.”

Michael Bilton clearly hasn’t spent much time in Harrogate.

HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE

[Special Care]

Oh, it doesn't happen here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkSaYJg9gMU

[Rupert Bear]

On Sep 24, 9:58 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ==============================
>
> OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !
>
> ==============================
>
> I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
> book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”
>
> Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.

Well I always find this vid rather comical..

<http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?
action=view&current=HumbleInterview.mp4>

What are you suggesting about the Girl in Harrogate..

[Special Care]

On Sep 28, 1:10 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 9:58 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ==============================
>
> > OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !
>
> > ==============================
>
> > I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
> > book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”
>
> > Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.
>
> Well I always find this vid rather comical..
>

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> What are you suggesting about the Girl in Harrogate..
>

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If you mean the Noel O'Gara interview with Ron Warren, there is
nothing comical about it. It is a window of truth shining into an
inverted civilisation.

It's safe to say that Peter Sutcliffe killed about five women and
assaulted about then women during 1972-1980.
I don't know if he hit that girl in Harrogate with a hammer.

I was just drawing attention to the fact that Harrogate is a funny
town.

We are all very polilte and refined in Harrogate.

So that girl slipped on the ice.

We don't do Yorkshire Ripper in Harrogate.

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"CLUELESS"


POOR OLD OLDFIELD
WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
MISLED BY A VOICE
RELEASE OF DRURY
AROUSES FURY
BRADFORD WAS NOT ME
BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE
SHEFFIELD WILL NOT BE MISSED
NEXT ON THE LIST

[Rupert Bear]

On Sep 28, 1:51 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 1:10 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 24, 9:58 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > ==============================
>
> > > OH, IT DOESN’T HAPPEN HERE !
>
> > > ==============================
>
> > > I was terribly amused when I read pages 315-317 of Michael Bilton’s
> > > book, “Wicked Beyond Belief.”
>
> > > Kept me giggling for a few minutes, that did.
>
> > Well I always find this vid rather comical..
>
> ---------
> > What are you suggesting about the Girl in Harrogate..
>
> ----------------------------
>
> If you mean the Noel O'Gara interview with Ron Warren, there is
> nothing comical about it. It is a window of truth shining into an
> inverted civilisation.
>

I did not mean that video,, I thought it was quite clear,,
this vid is funny,,,

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=HumbleInterview.mp4

For those with cogent difficulties ,,, it refers to John Humbles so-
called confession..


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[The Universal Infant]

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=HumbleInterview.mp4

Well, why the almost secretive 'trial' of John Humble? Where were the
linguisitics experts and the voice recognition technology, so beloved
of The Boys Up At Menwith Hill?

Do the voice prints match?

We don't know.

Only a confession.

It was easy to frame John Humble.

Just as it was easy to frame Anthony Steel.

Where is John Humble now?

It is one of the biggest stories of our time, of huge interest to all
newspaper readers....and yet it is never mentioned.
I thought newspaper owners were in the business of selling newspapers
by publishing stories of interest to the general public, such as:
THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE.

But maybe I was wrong.
The total silence from the media and from ruling group stooges is
deafening.

[Special Care]

But when it's so easy to frame someone after beating a confession out
of him in the soundproofed basements of Millgarth, why even bother to
mention what John Humble's blood type is................. It hardly
matters..... nothing matters much if it is so easy to frame a
vulnerable alcoholic such as John Humble and then to make him
DISAPPEAR within the 'system.'

There's something wrong with people in England.

In Chile, even when Pinochet was still in power, people were out on
the streets clamouring to know where the DISAPPEARED were. Same in
Argentina and El Salvador....

But in England nobody cares about THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE.

It's one of the most sensational news stories of the early twenty-
first century, THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE.

And nobody wants to know about it, and there's a D-NOTICE on it for
newspaper editors............ in an informal sense.

[Rupert Bear]

Well ,,I do not think you should introduce Pinochet and all them
other into the argument the way you do...

They are folks in different countries with some very serious human
rights issues,,
but here it is only seen as pointless prevarications... Leave it
out..!

What we are considering is our trust re the basic truths presented to
us via our media,,
who undoubtedly know something more about what is going on..

If it is a D notice or some other legal contrivance we don't know,,
we can only know by considering what is legally possible within our
highly evolved,, legally governed society..

An I don't think they would have to beat Humble black an blue,,
cos the papers just would not go along,, not even if it could be
justified as not being in the public best interest..

Naw they laws are evolved over beating folks blind less
and agreeable,,

We are now in a controlled society,,

Humble could walk into any press office you like an say he was fitted
up,,
but ne'er a word would ever get into print..

Because there is something in control,,

D notice offers a choice to press I think..
Was it an advisory D Notice,, Im not sure..

Something more powerful is in control I think..
don't ask me cos I don't know,,
maybe its tha official secrets act...

There is so much legalized ,, don't blab on me or i'll thump you ,,
legislation written into our law today one does not have a clue which
one to chose..

Out of interest i watched a thing about the early days of
censure on movies..

And the censore worked on a day to day basis with the moviie maker
about that necked fight scene with penises wabbling all ower oor faces
on the telly....

Golly,, I just got the feeling thame Ripper DVD;s were made the same
way..

Produced an controlled with a fixed aim in mind..
an placed in our minds..

That trusted media can be used as extensions of power
by our governance is an issue i have serious problems with..

Something needs to be seriously looked at here because the the
ease and availability of of jus wagilin your toungue about and having
it
reported as fact to the whole country is reducin the powers of
Lor an order to a clownary exuding fantasy that has to be accepted by
one and all...


Power corrupts and it has never been so visible
as in this year twenyleven..


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[The Universal Infant]

Good Golly Miss Molly...............

No, they didn't have to beat John Humble black and blue because he was
a chronic alcoholic, and they could manipulate him on that basis.

I didn't mean a formal "legal" "D Notice" ..........whatever that word
"legal" might mean............ I was only referring to a certain
arrangement between the ruling group and newspaper editors.....
..... "a gentleman's agreement?" ....
.......... which we become aware of as we reach maturity.

[Special Care]

"George is delighted as well."

Was he?

Ordered to smile at the fake press conference.

And he drank himself to death in the few years that followed.

Poor Old Oldfield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[Special Care]

Why would the Chief Constable of West Yorkshre need to utter such
words:

"George is delighted as well?"

If the West Yorkshire Police really had caught the Yorkshire Ripper,
why would anybody need to ORDER George Oldfield to smile?

George Oldfield was wrecked at that moment. He had to be ordered to
smile by the ruling group stooge Ronald Gregory.

Nothing adds up in the Yorkshire Ripper case.

Poor Old Oldfield.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[Special Care]

"CLUELESS"

POOR OLD OLDFIELD
WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
MISLED BY A VOICE
RELEASE OF DRURY
AROUSES FURY
BRADFORD WAS NOT ME
BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE
SHEFFIELD WILL NOT BE MISSED
NEXT ON THE LIST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DUclUZiX4

[Special Care]

GEORGE IS DELIGHTED AS WELL !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[Special Care]

The Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up has an awful lot to do with Margaret
Thatcher and her desire to be able to dance across the world stage as
the Prima Donna / The Queen of Heaven..... with her leading man Ron
Reagan, the cheap two-bit anti-commy B-movie gunman.

That is where the pressure was coming from mainly, from the Queen of
Heaven down there in London.

So the FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE ensued, on orders from The Queen of
Heaven down there in London who wanted to be able to dance across the
world stage with the B-movie gunman Ron Reagan, without some upstart
reporter detracting from her "glory" by asking her why the Keystone
Cops in England can't catch the Yorkshire Ripper......
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[Special Care]

GEORGE IS DELIGHTED AS WELL.......

...AREN'T YOU, GEORGE.....?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[Special Care]

The text reproduced below does seem to sum up what was really going on
back then in 1981 at the time of the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco.

I admit I didn't see it at first.

The main pressure came from The Queen of Heaven in London.

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The Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up has an awful lot to do with Margaret
Thatcher and her desire to be able to dance across the world stage as
the Prima Donna / The Queen of Heaven..... with her leading man Ron
Reagan, the cheap two-bit anti-commy B-movie gunman.

That is where the pressure was coming from mainly, from the Queen of
Heaven down there in London.


So the FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE ensued, on orders from The Queen of
Heaven down there in London who wanted to be able to dance across the
world stage with the B-movie gunman Ron Reagan, without some upstart
reporter detracting from her "glory" by asking her why the Keystone
Cops in England can't catch the Yorkshire Ripper......

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[Special Care]

As a woman, Margaret Thatcher should have cared about leaving the
Yorkshire Ripper free to go on killing other women in England in the
years after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco in 1981.

But Margaret Thatcher didn't care.

Glory is addictive.

The only thing Margaret Thatcher ever cared about was her *glory
rating* as she danced accross the world stage with the cheap B-movie
gunman Ron Reagan.

And to hell with the women of England who were going to be killed by
the Yorkshire Ripper after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco.

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 10, 10:26 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As a woman, Margaret Thatcher should have cared about leaving the
> Yorkshire Ripper free to go on killing other women in England in the
> years after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco in 1981.
>
> But Margaret Thatcher didn't care.
>

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Well there's all kinds of caring..
Depending on your point of view..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317190/How-Margaret-Thatcher-helped-catch-Yorkshire-Ripper.html

It was one of Thatcher's strengths that she did not restrict herself
to dealing with the papers civil servants gave her.
Everybody and everything was her business,
including a notorious murder case in the North of England.

By the start of the Eighties, the Yorkshire Ripper case had become a
public scandal,
with questions being asked about how the police could have invested
millions of pounds
and thousands of man hours hunting for a killer who had been roaming
the North
for more than four years, without any sign they were getting any
closer to catching him.

No one could accuse the police of not trying.
Computer technology was then in its infancy.
All the witness statements and other evidence collected by hundreds of
officers
was recorded on paper. They were drowning in paper.
Because there was no national police force and the killer
did not respect police authority boundaries,
several hunts were being carried out by different forces.

Then the police latched on to something that appeared to bring them
close to solving the case.
They had received letters and a tape by a man purporting to be the
killer,
whose accent identified him as coming from somewhere near Sunderland.
Northumbria Police invested about &pound;1 million interviewing men
all over Wearside.

Early on the morning of Tuesday, November 18, 1980,
the mutilated body of a Leeds University student,
Jacqueline Hill, was discovered.
She was the 13th woman murdered by the Ripper.
Public exasperation with the police reached a new pitch.

In a biography of Thatcher published while she was in office,
Hugo Young claimed she was so incensed about the Hill murder
and the apparent incompetence of the police that she announced
she was going to Leeds to take over the investigation in person
'because nobody but her, she thought,
really cared about the fate of these wretched women'.

It was left to Home Secretary William Whitelaw
to persuade her it might not be a brilliant idea to have the
Prime Minister stationed at Leeds Police headquarters for days on end.

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"Then the Police latched on to something"

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Perhaps they got pissed up one night
and next day found themselves on a bus to
Sunderland..

Or consulted Fat Mary wot read the tea leaves..

Darts at a map,,????

Spect they had their reasons...

But they never did explain them properly..

An kept the content of those letters secret
til after Smutty was convicted..

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Oh Well...

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANWd2g0P2iY>

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[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 10, 3:29 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 10:26 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As a woman, Margaret Thatcher should have cared about leaving the
> > Yorkshire Ripper free to go on killing other women in England in the
> > years after the Peter Sutcliffe fiasco in 1981.
>
> > But Margaret Thatcher didn't care.
>
> ############
>
> Well there's all kinds of caring..
> Depending on your point of view..
>

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317190/How-Margaret-Thatcher...

> Northumbria Police invested about £1 million interviewing men

> all over Wearside.
>
> Early on the morning of Tuesday, November 18, 1980,
> the mutilated body of a Leeds University student,
> Jacqueline Hill, was discovered.
> She was the 13th woman murdered by the Ripper.
> Public exasperation with the police reached a new pitch.
>
> In a biography of Thatcher published while she was in office,
> Hugo Young claimed she was so incensed about the Hill murder
> and the apparent incompetence of the police that she announced
> she was going to Leeds to take over the investigation in person
> 'because nobody but her, she thought,
> really cared about the fate of these wretched women'.
>
> It was left to Home Secretary William Whitelaw
> to persuade her it might not be a brilliant idea to have the
> Prime Minister stationed at Leeds Police headquarters for days on end.
>
> .............................................................................

> Related to above.
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=ReplaceOldfield.jpg
>
> ................................................................................
>

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 10, 4:12 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 3:29 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 10, 10:26 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrot

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> > Related to above.
> >http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=vie...
>
> > ................................................................................

Sir Bernard Ingam was Maggies Press Secretary,,
A Yorkshireman,, nicknamed Maggies Rotwieller..
apparently he worked for the Yorkshire Post at one time,,
and stood for the ward of Moortown in Leeds prior to
his engagement with Maggie..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Ingham

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[The Universal Infant]

On Oct 10, 4:38 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Sir Bernard Ingam was Maggies Press Secretary,,
> A Yorkshireman,, nicknamed Maggies Rotwieller..
> apparently he worked for the Yorkshire Post at one time,,
> and stood for the ward of Moortown in Leeds prior to
> his engagement with Maggie..
>

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Well, Moortown is not far from Whoretown in Leeds.
It is my fate to pass through both districts sometimes.

It hardly matters.

It's all very well to write a fawning 'biography' of someone.

For example, Dorothy Macardle and Thomas Packenham tried very hard to
whitewash Eamon de Valera.

The whitewash doesn't stick on Eamon de Valera.

And it doesn't stick on Margaret Thatcher either.

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 10, 5:21 pm, The Universal Infant <special.car...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 10, 4:38 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sir Bernard Ingam was Maggies Press Secretary,,
> > A Yorkshireman,, nicknamed Maggies Rotwieller..
> > apparently he worked for the Yorkshire Post at one time,,
> > and stood for the ward of Moortown in Leeds prior to
> > his engagement with Maggie..
>
> -----------------
>
> Well, Moortown is not far from Whoretown in Leeds.
> It is my fate to pass through both districts sometimes.
>
> It hardly matters.
>

Well,, I think there are more than a few folks willing
to believe Mrs T might of taken drastic measures..
That was the nature of the woman..

That her close advisor had such close connections is also of
interest..
In my view..

But when you say it hardly matters,, I agree as far as the
overall view is concerned.. Because I think just about
every single person with personal experience of the Ripper nightmare,,
people who had to live with it during that time,,
They all wanted an end of it too....

Thame woolies could of stuck mickey mouse in the dock
an prosecuted him,, it would of done the trick...

That is pretty much what happened...

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[Special Care]

On Oct 10, 9:06 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
........... just about

> every single person with personal experience of the Ripper nightmare,,
> people who had to live with it during that time,,
> They all wanted an end of it too....
>
> Thame woolies could of stuck mickey mouse in the dock
> an prosecuted him,,  it would of done the trick...
>
> That is pretty much what happened...

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It ended the nightmare, in the sense that the killings continued but
were perceived differently.

It's interesting that very few people can make the mental leap to see
the obvious fact that Peter Sutcliffe wanted to be arrested.
It's too big a gulf there between the public perception of The Devil
Incarnate stalking the streets of Yorkshire, on the one hand, and on
the other hand a pathetic henpecked emotional cripple who was
desperate to be taken into institutional care and was conveniently
convicted as the Yorkshire Ripper.

In that sense you're right. It might as well have been Mickey Mouse.
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John Sutcliffe on Irish radio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrTRjRRpPCA&feature=related

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 16, 1:57 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 9:06 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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>
> > Thame woolies could of stuck mickey mouse in the dock
> > an prosecuted him,,  it would of done the trick...
>
> > That is pretty much what happened...
>
> =============================
>
> It ended the nightmare, in the sense that the killings continued but
> were perceived differently.
>
> It's interesting that very few people can make the mental leap to see
> the obvious fact that Peter Sutcliffe wanted to be arrested.
> It's too big a gulf there between the public perception of The Devil
> Incarnate stalking the streets of Yorkshire, on the one hand, and on
> the other hand a pathetic henpecked emotional cripple who was
> desperate to be taken into institutional care and was conveniently
> convicted as the Yorkshire Ripper.
>

To make the mental leap you speak of,, one would first
have to believe something was wrong with the
"Smutty Ripper" scenario,, and then be looking for another
explanation that made more sense..

Im sure people can see that sometimes,, under certain circumstances
a person may want to be institutionalised...

As this link shows...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3864569/Face-of-woman-accused-of-killing-gran.html

Smutty could have got himself lifted any day of the week in Bradford,,
caught in the act with blood on his hands.. If he wanted..
Why does the Smutty "desperate to be institutionalised" solution
have to be so complicated,,when the general public can so easily be
convinced..
Who else were they trying to convince..

Well the non-thinkers don't matter and the ones that do
will have the once bitten twice shy instinct...

Nothing rings true about the Ripper case,, under such circumstance,,
why on earth should they thinking folks fall for the Irish bible in
this matter
when it makes little more sense than
the official version....

For myself I say that the Smutty solution seems all too convenient,,
coming at a time when the powers that be declared,,
"something needs to be done to restore public confidence",,
next thing you know,, the perfect suspect sits waiting in a
known Sheffield haunt,,
apparently waiting to be lifted wi a hooker and false number plates..

Naw,, Smuttys arrest was always a bit too convenient for me,,
that he was a nutter screamin to be arrested sounds like
a false dichotomy,, an the harder you is pushin it down they
thinking folks necks the more they will gag against it...

Predictable reaction really,,
the only good coming out of the OG stink,, and the
Olive Curry assertions,, is that the public are informed of doubts
about
the "Smutty Solution" in an unofficial manner...
Both are publicised by Press and and website publications....

OG went after the Irish punter they never found,,
and Olive chased the other suspect,,
Blondie-mousey-chummy from Sunderland (as they thought)...

Just symptoms of a continuing desire to catch the Real Ripper
in a surreptitious manner..
Probing the livestock for information
without alarming them with the truth..

It was the letter-writer tape-sender who was the killer,,
and tied the Yorkshire cops in knots..
People should look there,, and rebuild the events as they
occurred, if they think for themselves or want to understand...

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/


..........................................................................................

[Special Care]

On Oct 17, 5:06 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> It was the letter-writer tape-sender who was the killer,,
> and tied the Yorkshire cops in knots..
> People should look there,, and rebuild the events as they
> occurred, if they think for themselves or want to understand...
>

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20I...
>
==============

I've had another look at the "Irish Bible" as you call it, meaning
"The Real Yorkshire Ripper" by Noel O'Gara.
The man described fits the frame, but although Noel builds up a
convincing case, it is not enough to prove beyond all doubt that Billy
Tracey was the killer of Wilma, Emily, Jayne, etc.

You've produced a brilliant archive, though still inconclusive in the
final analysis, as is Mr O'Gara's, both of which will be mercilessly
plagiarised by opportunist parasites after Margaret Thatcher and Jim
Hobson are dead and the threat of a libel suit recedes.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This leads back to the question of axioms, by which I mean the set of
basic assumptions around which we shape our discussions and our
actions.

It would be difficult for society to function coherently without such
a set of communally agreed axioms.
It’s like a Constitution.

Human progress could be seen as a process of gradually weeding out the
fake axioms.

The infamous Fake Press Conference set up a fake axiom: Peter
Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire Ripper. Almost nobody questioned it. So
from there on the discussions followed a false logic, ignoring or
twisting any evidence or facts that did not support the false axiom:
Peter Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire Ripper.

That is why even David Yallop, who initially was well intentioned, is
unable to see the fact that Peter Sutcliffe forced the police to
arrest him and gladly confessed to anything because he was desperate
to get himself into institutional care.

The circle cannot be squared. The axiom and the fact are incongruent.

The Yorkshire Ripper was an evil monster, The Devil Made Flesh,
terrorising the streets of our towns, even turning Leeds into a ghost
town on occasions. You can’t reconcile that with a pathetic, henpecked
emotional cripple desperate to be arrested and placed in institutional
care because he can’t stand the strain. It's too incongruous. So even
David Yallop, "the greatest investigative writer in the world," had to
blind himself to the fact that Peter Sutcliffe was desperate to be
arrested, as that FACT violated the FAKE AXIOMS.

So if people accept the false axiom - Peter Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire
Ripper - they have to blind themselves to the obvious fact that he was
desperate to get arrested, because the entire belief system will
collapse if they acknowledge facts that don’t support the axiom.

It’s also known as *reduction to absurdity*, meaning if you point out
serious contradictions in a belief system or set of activities, you
must look for a fake axiom which is generating the absurdity. In this
case the fake axiom which generates a mountain of absurdities is:
Peter Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire Ripper.

Most people believe the fake axiom, so they blind themselves to facts
which contradict the fake axiom. They don’t have to, but in this case
the implications of facing reality are too frightening.

So the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up is a valuable lesson in human
psychology.

Then a related phenomenon is that of the fakers who have something to
gain by promoting and preserving the fake axiom. Michael Bilton seems
to be in that category. He must know Peter Sutcliffe is not the
Yorkshire Ripper. But he set out to write an elaborate book in support
of the big lie. An awful lot of effort went into Bilton’s book. Why
take the trouble, given that the profits can’t be very large, nor the
glory? Was Bilton rewarded in some other way for his contribution to
preserving the Peter Sutcliffe Myth?

If our civilisation holds together a bit longer, these fakers will
suffer the verdict of history.

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 17, 12:44 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 5:06 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This leads back to the question of axioms, by which I mean the set of
> basic assumptions around which we shape our discussions and our
> actions.
>

> Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire Ripper. Almost nobody questioned it. So
> from there on the discussions followed a false logic, ignoring or
> twisting any evidence or facts that did not support the false axiom:
> Peter Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire Ripper.
>
> That is why even David Yallop, who initially was well intentioned, is
> unable to see the fact that Peter Sutcliffe forced the police to
> arrest him and gladly confessed to anything because he was desperate
> to get himself into institutional care.
>
> The circle cannot be squared. The axiom and the fact are incongruent.
>

>

> So if people accept the false axiom - Peter Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire
> Ripper - they have to blind themselves to the obvious fact that he was
> desperate to get arrested, because the entire belief system will
> collapse if they acknowledge facts that don’t support the axiom.
>

>

> Most people believe the fake axiom, so they blind themselves to facts
> which contradict the fake axiom. They don’t have to, but in this case
> the implications of facing reality are too frightening.
>
> So the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up is a valuable lesson in human

> psychology...

Oh Man,,,

Your hi-falutin academic waffling does nowt to help folks
find their way through the miasma...

Spect you know this,,
most folks get a headache trying to follow
thought process that drag you this way and that
round and round in circles and and then back
where they started..

They end up not one inch further forward,,
unable to make any sense out of it all
and worn out wi hearing the same old waffelin....
They end up rejecting the whole carry on,,,
even if they were trying to figure what all the row-raw was about....

I likes the common sense approach,,
facts,, deductive reasoning,, logic,,
and even a splash of intuition..

People have their heads filled with the
Smutty solution that is true enough...
But it is also true that the cops had for eighteen months
before his arrest been totally committed to the letter-writer
from Sunderland,, as definitely being the killer they wanted..
Or at least it appears that way..

Well I reckon it is a foolish mans to view to think they
spent those millions and went to all that trouble
without very good reasons indeed...

It is also reasonable to consider that Police do not reveal all
of their information during their enquiries,,and the Yorkshire cops
were caned by the press for there obsessive secrecy..

That the content of those letters they placed so much store in
was withheld until after Smutty was safely convicted is a
matter most folks should find curious...

Where they previously preached the letter-writer
tape-sender as the being the Wearside Jack Ripper..
The story was now inverted to him
being a Super-Hoaxer from Sunderland,,
or Sutty's-Super-Sunderland-Chum..

Yep that is how it was,, soon as Sutty was convicted the
rumours of Sutty,s accomplice appeared,,
and persisted for years and years..

The main reason for this was that those letters the cops kept secret
until after he was convicted,, were published in 1981 ,,
( apparently leaked to Yallop)
And those letters were still very good at convincing you the
author was the killer,,
but by then it was too late,,
Sutty was in the nick and we was being sung the Super-Hoaxer-
Accomplice
songs instead..

An so,, given the obsessive Police secrecy before Sutty's arrest
and the massive scale of the Cops about-turn,,
it was like white was suddenly turned black,,
and that everyone seemed to swaller it without question
was all a bit fishy..

People who remember,, are still not satisfied with the Sutty solution
cos it does not make sense..

Well thirty years on and quite a bit more
information has become available,,
We live in the internet and communications age now
and maybe folks are not so naive any-more,,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Lets look at those letters again and put them
in perspective of the information that became
available after Sutty was convicted....

I have good copies posted here..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/


To be continued...
......................................

[Special Care]

Yeah well if the women of Leeds had just stayed at home with their
dogs, we never would have had the Yorkshire Ripper problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBuH3niaUKc

[Special Care]

This could be a real recording of Peter Sutcliffe's voice, but it's
only for the greater glory of the woman involved, and Peter Sutcliffe
knows how to play the game with these emotionally crippled women:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGfvnyRa0l4&NR=1

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 17, 6:16 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah well if the women of Leeds had just stayed at home with their
> dogs, we never would have had the Yorkshire Ripper problem.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBuH3niaUKc

Yer ,, well

we didint really need the
reduction to absurdity
in this thread..
..................

[Rupert Bear]

Surprised you even consider this nonsense..

....................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Sep 29, 3:03 pm, The Universal Infant <special.car...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=vie...

>
> Well, why the almost secretive 'trial' of John Humble? Where were the
> linguisitics experts and the voice recognition technology, so beloved
> of The Boys Up At Menwith Hill?
>
> Do the voice prints match?
>
> We don't know.
>
> Only a confession.
>
> It was easy to frame John Humble.
>
> Just as it was easy to frame Anthony Steel.
>
> Where is John Humble now?
>
> It is one of the biggest stories of our time, of huge interest to all
> newspaper readers....and yet it is never mentioned.
> I thought newspaper owners were in the business of selling newspapers
> by publishing stories of interest to the general public, such as:
> THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOHN HUMBLE.
>
> But maybe I was wrong.
> The total silence from the media and from ruling group stooges is
> deafening.

Your not wrong,, but the papers must have made loads of lolly
selling folks the official version of the Smutty scenario over the
years..

Maybe they is scratching each others backs..

Oop's perhaps I should of said "was scratching"

It appears we had a clear out this
year an everything is
huncky-dory again....

Ho Ho Ho..

..................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 5, 2:12 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why would the Chief Constable of West Yorkshre need to utter such
> words:
>
> "George is delighted as well?"
>
> If the West Yorkshire Police really had caught the Yorkshire Ripper,
> why would anybody need to ORDER George Oldfield to smile?
>
> George Oldfield was wrecked at that moment. He had to be ordered to
> smile by the ruling group stooge Ronald Gregory.
>
> Nothing adds up in the Yorkshire Ripper case.
>
> Poor Old Oldfield.

I think you are quite right here too,,
but it achieves very little showing how pleased they were to catch
him,,
again and again and again..
Most folks are not picking up on that subtly,, all they see is the
success..

I wouldn't have called Gregory a stooge either,,
I think he resisted home office interference as much as he could..

And poor old George was an old fashioned cop
from a naval background,,with the loyalty of a faithful dog
to his captain,, and smiled when his senior officer required him to..

Sold down the river from high places,,
Along with a few others I think,,
Gregory should not have had Oldfield up there on the
podium..
He had been relieved of his command..

It was a Public and Personal Humiliation for him..


............................................

[The Universal Infant]

George Oldfield died emotionally at that moment. It was personal for
George Oldfield. When he was ordered to smile at the Fake Press
Conference, he died emotionally, and from then on George Oldfield
could only drink himself to death.
George Oldfield was no angel. For example, he had some involvement in
the fake conviction of Judith Ward, didn't he?
Well, that's the way things were done in the West Yorkshire Police in
the 1970s.
But there was some decency there, and to be ordered to smile at the
Fake Press Conference launching The Peter Sutcliffe Myth was a
terrible ordeal for a half-honest cop to have to endure.
Dick Holland wisely made himself scarce as the Fake Press Conference
was being arranged, so Dick Holland is not tainted by being on screen
at the Fake Press Conference.
How did he manage to get out of it?

[Special Care]

"GEORGE IS DELIGHTED AS WELL....?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[THE COLONEL]

"Special Care" <special...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9860c07e-8210-449f...@e4g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...

> "GEORGE IS DELIGHTED AS WELL....?"

Boy George?

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 5, 2:21 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "CLUELESS"
>
> POOR OLD OLDFIELD
> WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
> HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
> MISLED BY A VOICE
> RELEASE OF DRURY
> AROUSES FURY
> BRADFORD WAS NOT ME
> BUT JUST WAIT AND SEE
> SHEFFIELD WILL NOT BE MISSED
> NEXT ON THE LIST

Anyone interested in the reference to Drury..

Look Here..

http://www.nickelinthemachine.com/tag/corruption/

Police corruption on a massive scale,,

This bit is funny..

Snip..

Drury was hopelessly compromised and concocted a story
that he was in Cyprus looking for the train robber Ronnie Biggs
and contradictorily paid for the trip himself. Nobody believed the
story.

......

and this bit too.

It was estimated that James Humphreys and his fellow porn barons
were paying an extraordinary £100,000 a year to corrupt policemen
enabling them to continue selling porn unimpeded. Indeed it came to
light
that Humphreys had been so worried that Drury’s expensive lifestyle
would
give everything away, he had supplied him with expensive slimming
drugs
and a rowing machine to keep his weight down..

...............................................................................

Wot porn,,

don't see any porn here
douya constbule..

No sa..not me..

...............

Don't see why it shoulda bothered Sutty though..

................................

[Special Care]

> ...........................................................................­....

[Special Care]

On Oct 20, 10:15 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Oct 5, 2:21 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "CLUELESS"
>
> > POOR OLD OLDFIELD
> > WORKED IN A COLD FIELD
> > HOBSON HAS NO CHOICE
> > MISLED BY A VOICE
> > RELEASE OF DRURY
> > AROUSES FURY

> ......
>
> and this bit too.

> ........... Humphreys had been so worried that Drury’s expensive lifestyle

> would
> give everything away, he had supplied him with expensive slimming
> drugs
> and a rowing machine to keep his weight down..
>

------------------------------------------------

WOULD YOU LIKE SOMETHING BETTER, SIR?

===

I lived in London in the 1970s and went into a shop in Soho to see
what was in there.
As stated in that article, there was a string curtain at the end of
the initial room, and then if you browsed for half a minute, the old
man behind the counter would say:
"Would you like something better, sir?"

"Step in here, sir."

And behind the curtain the counter display continued, but with a
different type of merchandise displayed................

The tragedy is that it was all a waste of resources. The censorship
laws were ridiculous. The mechandise in the forbidden room was
harmless by today's standards and all the energy put into enforcing
the ridiculous censorship laws and catching cops who took bribes in
connection with those shops..............it could have been
rechannelled into real police work such as catching "Jack the
Stripper" (London) and The Yorkshire Ripper.

[Rupert Bear]

Yer,, it looks like it was a seedy world,,
behind pretty curtains..

But where could the convenience
of controlled censure lead in thirty years,,

Media collaborating with government bodies,,
or was it the other way around..

Sometimes even cronkers gets me wondering
about social control.. ..

It really does..

Check this out..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3/coronation-street/spoilers/a345680/fiz-realises-the-future-looks-bleak.html

Just how Bleak will the future be,,

Sometimes I wonder..

......................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 17, 5:42 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> O

>
>
>
> Lets look at those letters again and put them
> in perspective of the information that became
> available after Sutty was convicted....
>
> I have good copies posted here..
>

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20I...
>
> To be continued...
> ......................................

It is quite easy to build a time-line and consider those letters again
in the light
of information that became available after Sutty was convicted..

One can see that the letters came along after the case escalated into
a national crime spectacle..

One knows that it attracted many crank letters and calls.
The cops were very well aware of the complications of cranks and
hoaxers,,
so why were those letters taken so seriously by some very thick
skinned,,
seen it all before ,, cops..

We had all sorts of explanations offered ,, which add up
to little more than that the cops "latched on to something"
as reported in the mail quite recently..

And I wonder why do these feeble explanations suffice,,?
Why is it that in thirty years no one has ever properly
explored why the coppers apparently "latched on" to those particular
letters and tape when they were so very familiar with the cranks
that the case attracted...

It is a mistake to underestimate them
one can be certain that they had very good reasons,
they were not prone to flights of fancy..

The Yorkie case is unique in that so much information is publicly
available
People are in a position to consider this question for themselves..

Consider the timeline,,
what did the first letters try to do..

Did they succeed in that aim..

What did they succeed in doing..

When did they succeed in doing that,

What happened to convinced the cops,,

How could a hoaxer predict three murders

Why Why Why..

There are hunners of questions an
inquisitive mind could explore,,
if only they would do so..


........................................

[Old Jinglebollocks]

On Oct 24, 6:42 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There are hunners of questions an
> inquisitive mind could explore,,
> if only they would do so..
>

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Get up, ye tub o' guts !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_fiovpN9cQ

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 24, 5:46 pm, Old Jinglebollocks <old.jinglebollo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if you call me a cowboy...
Tuboguts is up today..
.................................

Fixed ideas,, is a term I came across
when talking to a detective in Leeds..
I was trying to persuade him to consider other possibilities..

And I realised the other night that Im probably guilty of
the same thing myself..

I realised that one of the first things folks should consider when
trying make sense out of the Ripper case is that the cops
were engaged in a collossal manhunt for a serial killer
who left unique injuries on his victims,,..

And that as the hunt progressed over several years it devolped
into a media circus the likes of which we will never
see again..

It came to pass the the ripper got careless
and one or two girls survived,, usually because he was
disturbed..

The eonly exception being Moureen Long
ho was left for dead,, and defied the odds when
she survived to describe her attacker..
A fairhaired man..

Anyone looking back at the situation
should consider the cops position during the hunt,,
They had a lot of conflicting interests ,,
and although it was necessary to issue descriptions
and appeal for public help and witnesses..
they also wished to keep the ripper from knowing
just how much they knew about him..

That they would wish to keep the killer
off-balance in this regard is an obvious
consideration..

And so when they received letters from
the man who pointed out to them
that they had their count wrong and that
Preston 75 should be included in their count..

They woulda mulled that over abit,,
for a few months actually,,
And when they did finally include Mrs Harrison
in their count,, they did also include
Yvonne Pearson,,
who really should not have been on the list...
She had been excluded at an earlier time
and professor Gee remarks that the cops put her on the list
for other reasons..

This should be fairly clear to anyone who wishes to check here..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Yvonne%20Pearson/

And for a long time my ideas were fixed in this matter,,
they placed her on the list,, and then started talking about
grey areas where the level of certainty was lower..
Bla Bla Bla..

All serving to confuse the killer as to what exactly the cops had on
him,,
they would have kept surviving witness testimony to themselves too
and and use all sorts of sneakiness where applicable..

Of course this not only served to confuse the ripper as to the cops
position
in these matters,, but the public could only see a lot of rather
confused
information being made available..

For example..
Blood type of the killer was reported as being type A/B,,
in the press and found its way into books,,
just as Mrs Pearson did,,..

And I thought that was the way of it it for long enough,,
my ideas became fixed with that understanding..

But Special C raised a point about,,"why Halifax again" something to
do with
Mrs Smelt,,,
The Irish bible solution yet again,, I thought,,
but it finally occured to ask myself if the cops was willing
to introduce Yvonne Pearson as a ploy,,
what else might they have done at this time to keep the killer
off balance..

A question I should have considered long ago about Halifax,,
was Mrs Smelt a false inclusion as with Yvonne..

I think they were all added to a revised list about the same time
Keighley Halifax and Yvonne in Leeds..

If so it has implications as to why he may have chosen
to strike in Halifax that night in Saville park..

There seems to be some idea of a tit for tat carry on
between the killers,,
My feeling is that punishing Oldfield
and the cops for messing him about,,
was,, at least was a part of it..

Imagine how they cops would feel if they
Smelt attack was a false inclusion..

I was wondering why Olive wqas at Smutty trial and not the other
girls who could remember him better..

Yeah the reliability of information even before
smuttys needs to considered carefully..

One should note that the first time the letter writer mentioned
his body count,, he was cock-sure and correcting them..
but after the false inclusions he ask's..

"I think its up to thirteen now isn't it" ????

......................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Yvonne%20Pe...

I have no solid reason to believe Mrs Smelt was a false inclusion,,
but feel the possibility should be considered,,
As a rule of thumb I have taken Oldfield's original
victims list to be the most reliable,, I still do
with the exception of Yvonne,, but now consider
Keighley and Halifax as possible false inclusions
by the cops,, maybe trying to keep the killer off-balance..
Not too important because the list of deaths
remains pretty much the same in
Oldfield's list..

Lots of intangibles..

Hunners of questions..

I came me across this quote the other night..

Cognitive dissonance has been called "the mind controller's best
friend" (Levine 2003: 202).
Yet, a cursory examination of cognitive dissonance reveals that it is
not the dissonance,
but how people deal with it, that would be of interest to someone
trying to control
others when the evidence seems against them.


..........................................................................

[Special Care]

To be honest, I'm running out of enthusiasm for dissecting the
Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.

It happened.

After Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are dead and the threat of a
libel suit recedes, some people are going to make a lot of money out
of the TRUTH about the Yorkshire Ripper case.

What more can we say? You have created a brilliant archive giving a
new perspective on the Yorkshire Ripper case which has not been voiced
before. And this is not to be disrespectful to Mr Noel O'Gara's
achievement.... "the Irish Bible" as you call it.........

The core issue is that there were not one but TWO men doing those
killings during those terrible years. Mr O'Gara kept that TRUTH alive
when nobody else wanted to know about it. For that we must respect Mr
Noel O'Gara.

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

Special Care <special...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After Margaret Thatcher and James Hobson are dead and the threat of a
> libel suit recedes, some people are going to make a lot of money out
> of the TRUTH about the Yorkshire Ripper case.
>
> What more can we say? You have created a brilliant archive giving a
> new perspective on the Yorkshire Ripper case which has not been voiced
> before. And this is not to be disrespectful to Mr Noel O'Gara's
> achievement.... "the Irish Bible" as you call it.........
>
> The core issue is that there were not one but TWO men doing those
> killings during those terrible years. Mr O'Gara kept that TRUTH alive
> when nobody else wanted to know about it. For that we must respect Mr

Go on, then. I've got a mate in Britain who has an encyclopaedic knowledge
of crime, and when I sent your post to him via Skype, this was his
response..

'bollocks,the peice of shit acted alone although there`s a chance he
was convicted of 1 or 2 murders maybe he didn`t commit'

So let's have the goss.

Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by G-d
Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
legitimacy'
(Golda Meir (1898 - 1978))
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>

[Special Care]

On Nov 1, 5:03 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > The core issue is that there were not one but TWO men doing those

> > killings during those terrible years. ....................................

> Go on, then.  I've got a mate in Britain who has an encyclopaedic knowledge
> of crime, and when I sent your post to him via Skype, this was his
> response..
>
>         'bollocks,the peice of shit acted alone although there`s a chance he
>         was convicted of 1 or 2 murders maybe he didn`t commit'
>

----------------------------------------------------

Well, it's necessary to study the case in depth.

Those few who seek to publish the truth about the Yorkshire Ripper
cover-up usually say that Peter Sutcliffe did in fact act alone, as
you and your friend state.
However, as far as we can ascertain beyond reasonable doubt, Peter
Sutcliffe killed only about five women and seriously assaulted about
ten others.

By an amazing confluence of events, TWO men began serially attacking
women in the north of England around 1975, Peter Sutcliffe and The
Yorkshire Ripper, the two having no knowledge of each other's
existence until the Yvonne Pearson 'glitch' in early 1978, when
Yvonne's body lay undiscovered for about two months after Peter
Sutcliffe killed her, while the Real Yorkshire Ripper was sending a
triumphant letter to the West Yorkshire Police which made no mention
of Yvonne Pearson, who was at first not included in the Ripper
'frame' ...........................

It is a highly complex and fascinating case, unique in the history of
true crime. However, it has been contaminated by certain exigencies,
such as Margaret Thatcher's need to be able to waltz across the world
stage in the 1980s on the arm of her beau, the cheap B-movie gunman
Ron Reagan, without some upstart reporter embarrassing her by raising
the question of the Limey Keystone Cops who can't catch the Yorkshire
Ripper...........
The other exigency was that the City Fathers of Leeds and the Chamber
of Commerce had big plans to make Leeds the 'mecca' of the north of
England in the 1980s, and the terror generated by the Ripper scare was
bad for business.......... so they urgently needed to close the
Yorkshire Ripper case and to draw a line under it, by any means they
could find......................
So the pressure on Ronald Gregory was unbearable, and finally he was
ordered into the Fake Press Conference.
It's terribly embarrassing.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

"GEORGE IS DELIGHTED AS WELL....?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

Special Care <special...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 5:03 pm, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein <yitz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > The core issue is that there were not one but TWO men doing those
>> > killings during those terrible years. ....................................
>
>> Go on, then.  I've got a mate in Britain who has an encyclopaedic knowledge
>> of crime, and when I sent your post to him via Skype, this was his
>> response..
>>
>>         'bollocks,the peice of shit acted alone although there`s a chance he
>>         was convicted of 1 or 2 murders maybe he didn`t commit'
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Well, it's necessary to study the case in depth.
>
> Those few who seek to publish the truth about the Yorkshire Ripper
> cover-up usually say that Peter Sutcliffe did in fact act alone, as
> you and your friend state.

Oi! I have absolutely no idea about the case, other than that some bloke
is banged up. I shall forward your comments to my mate.

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 1, 12:37 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 1, 12:11 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>

....................................................

>
> > One should note that the first time the letter writer mentioned
> > his body count,, he was cock-sure and correcting them..

> > but after the false inclusion he asks..

>
> > "I think its up to thirteen now isn't it" ????
>
> > ......................................................................
>
> I have no solid reason to believe Mrs Smelt was a false inclusion,,

> but feel the possibility should at least be be considered,,
> As a rule of thumb I take Oldfield's original

> victims list to be the most reliable,, I still do

with the exception of Yvonne Pearson..
>

It is important to understand that the cops were a devious bunch of
ghets
lumbered with a particularly difficult serial murder case in the
public eye..

And when they received letters from a person claiming to be the
killer of
the Yorkshire prostitutes/ good time gals.. Signed Jack The Ripper..

The first two letters from Sunderland made the clearest prediction of
all,,
an old one next in Manchester or Liverpool,, and the prediction came
true,,
the Yorkshire Ripper left his Yorkshire haunts and killed an old gal
in Manchester
just as the first two letters predicted,, the first letter also
demonstrated
a familiar knowledge of that night in Huddersfield..
They also claimed an earlier victim in Preston, a murder not quite
the
the same as there were no weapons brought to the scene,,
but the rearrangement of garments and areas of attack were noted..

It was like a spontaneous attack where the killer had not been
equipped but
nevertheless did do similar things after she was dead..The
similarities were noted
along with a bite mark and trace of rare blood type B was found,,
Rare blood type B was found on the third envelope from that man,,
he was a B secretor,, exactly the same as the man who killed in
Preston..

Accurate predictions of death and a rare blood type type to boot ,,
with
similar rearrangement of garments form a pretty convincing argument..

The cops will have been pretty well convinced after the first two
letters
and the prediction which came true,, and so the Jack Ripper letters
were kept secret,, secrecy which continued until after Sutty was
convicted..

They did however respond,, eventually,, by including the death of Mrs
Harrison
into the Ripper victims list,, along with Yvonne Pearson,, a murder
which had
previously been discounted from the Ripper series,,
and indeed if her murder was associated
with any others it was with the murder of Carole Wilkinson..

Police may have had sound tactical reason for including Yvonne in the
list
at the same time as the included the death of Mrs Harrison,,
keeping the killer letter-writer off-balance as to what they
beleived,,
or as a device to spot false confessions,,
or maybe even as a butt covering exorcise,,

Take your pick,, but Yvonnes inclusion did introduce an error
into the letter-writer killers count which has been pounced on
time and time again by the official debunker squad
to argue that the letters were not genuine from the killer..

And those first two letter were kept secret until after
Sutty was convicted..

Convictions have been overturned for less,,
withholding relevant information which if made known
to a jury,, etc etc..

Read here about Yvonne,, the conveniently introduced error
to the killers/letter-writers count,,

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Yvonne%20Pearson/

They did not spend millions turning Sunderland upside down
without having very good reasons you know..

............................................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Yvonne%20Pe...

>
> They did not spend millions turning Sunderland upside down
> without having very good reasons you know..
>
> ............................................................................................

I just came across this site ..

Might be of interest to some..

http://www.innocent.org.uk/news/index.html



....................................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 4, 5:47 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

........................................................................................

>
> Read here about Yvonne,, the conveniently introduced error
> to the killers/letter-writers count,,
>

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Yvonne%20Pe...

>
> They did not spend millions turning Sunderland upside down
> without having very good reasons you know..
>
> ............................................................................................

Well,, Bilton barely touches on Oilfields reasons
for believing the letters were genuine,,
but at least
he does mention some pertinent points,,
here,,

http://tinyurl.com/5r73e7w

There was an overwhelming preponderance of
of theorising made available from the debunkers
who wished to disassociate the letters and tape
from the series of murders..

The fact of the matter was that surviving victims
did not describe a Geordie voice...
Nice and simple,, obvious,, and easy to grasp..

But in spite of this conflicting information the cops
persisted in their pursuit of a Geordie..
For eighteen months and turned Sunderland upside down
and inside out..

I think Holland dismissed the witness testimony
where it did not fit,, they had sound reasons to believe
the tape and letters came from the killer
which have never been fully explained in my view..

In the absence of this explanation it was easy for others to
see the obvious argument and loose faith in cops
who were keeping their reasoning to themselves..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=GodfreysGaf.mp4

Another thing which few were aware of at the time was the
degree of interest and meddling from high places..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=ReplaceOldfield.jpg

It all came to a head after the death of miss hill and sutty got
caught
and (officially) solved the case barely a month later..

Top cops were apparently disgraced and oldfield died
a few years later,,
Never having spoken publicly in his own defense,,
though I did find one record claiming he felt he
had been sacrificed to political interests....

25,,30,, years go by and still no answers
that make sense,,
There was a last flurry of interest in the NE
(Lavelle) before the Humble Pickle
and Chris Smith's miracle confession from the grave
were offered up,,
just feeble official excusens to seal the lid
on a case that had them beat..

Well Oldfield and Co did have their reasons
and as the letters and tape are publicly
available it is possible to explore them for oneself..

There not gonna tell ya in the Papers..

.....................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 5, 9:52 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Well Oldfield and Co did have their reasons
> and as the letters and tape are publicly
> available it is possible to explore them for oneself..
>
> There not gonna tell ya in the Papers..
>
> .....................................................................

I find this is an interesting news-clip,, re what the
cops believed re the letters and tape..
Probably while Oldfield was in hospital..

http://tinyurl.com/65mno3c

It should be noted that Holland refers to the Graphologist
rather offer his own reasoning up..

It is also reported that Oldfield made a prophecy,,
just before his heart attack..

"An innocent stranger is being condemned to a gruesome death
because someone in the North is protecting the Yorkshire Ripper"..

http://tinyurl.com/6doxpm5

It is important to understand that when you have
two valid lines of reasoning,,
which say,,

The killer is not a Geordie because the surviving girls did not speak
to a Geordie..

Killer is a Geordie because the foreknowledge and forensic links prove
it..

It is not a take your pick situation re which one you care to
believe,,
It is not an eany meany miny mo choices situation..

Both arguments are completely valid and require explanation..

I think Oldfield understood this,, but I am not convinced that Holland
did..

..........................................................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 5, 11:03 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> It is also reported that Oldfield made a prophecy,,
> just before his heart attack..
>
> "An innocent stranger is being condemned to a gruesome death
> because someone in the North is protecting the Yorkshire Ripper"..
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6doxpm5
>
> It is important to understand that when you have
> two valid lines of reasoning,,
> which say,,
>
> The killer is not a Geordie because the surviving girls did not speak
> to a Geordie..
>
> Killer is a Geordie because the foreknowledge and forensic links prove
> it..
>
> It is not a take your pick situation re which one you care to
> believe,,
> It is not an  eany meany miny mo choices situation..
>
> Both arguments are completely valid and require explanation..
>
> I think Oldfield understood this,, but I am not convinced that Holland
> did..
>
> ..........................................................................................................

Well,,Anyway,,

Oldfield was shuffled off the case,,

And we were given the Smutty solution
about a month after..

A solution which did not address the problem of
of the letters and tape..

They just said it was all a hoax and continued to keep
the full content/significance of the letters and tape secret..

A hoax they declared..
While judging Sutty's mental health in a legal charade..

The Irish bible does exactly the same thing in a different way,,
there are no survivors in the Irish version to raise the question..
The irish suspect is another superman,, this time with
no survivors of his attacks to introduce conflict re the mans voice..

I do not like the Irish version, because while it does introduce
reasonable doubts and questions it also leads into a line of
wrong thinking..

That version fobbs you off with a super efficient killer
who never failed once,, a truly gifted mimic of the wearside voice
playing mind games with the police..

It completely dismisses years of work
done by cops who breathed slept and eat the
nightmare for years..

They cops wanted him with a vengance
thas one thing you can believe in..


The Irish solution presented,
another load of bollocks which did at least
place the idea of an uncaught ripper into the public eye,,
but once again failed to address
Oldfields problem..

The problem of two valid and conflicting lines of logic
has given rise to much speculation and misunderstanding,
Lavelle even pursued ideas of a partner in the
North with a female acquaintance involved..

The official Smutty solution just ignored the problem,,
and kept it secret....

Oldfield got closest with his idea of the Ripper
being protected by someone in the North...
Even if he was not the Ripper he was at least
connected in some way...

Eighteen months turning Sunderland upside down
and no result on that line of thinking either..

So what possible explanation could remain...?????

It is not an either,, or ,, situation,,,

There has to be an explanation...

All we got in 81
was this..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Miasma%20of%20info/?action=view&current=Inconvenienttruth.jpg

If you want answers,, figure for yourselves..

Turnips and carrots are nice and sweet..

..............................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 6, 1:33 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

...................................................
>

> It completely dismisses years of work
> done by cops who breathed slept and eat the
> nightmare for years..

There were survivors of the Yorkshire Ripper
he was not a superman who never failed..
The cops established this before everything went
pear shaped..

Two of his victims did live to tell of the time they were in his car,,
They both said,, blondie/mousey,, "not a local man"..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20and%20Marilyn/?action=view&current=NotLocal.jpg

Where has Marilyn been all these years,, she could of sold
an interesting story by now...

She got ten and a half gran compensation outta Suttty ..
Through the courts..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Old%20Press%20Clips/?action=view&current=MarilynDunNicely.jpg&newest=1

Yeah Marilyn dun Nicely..

???????????????

Wonder if there were any conditions
when the comp was paid,,

...................................................................

>
> They cops wanted him with a vengance
> thas one thing you can believe in..
>
> The Irish solution presented,
> another load of bollocks which did at least
> place the idea of an uncaught ripper into the public eye,,
> but once again failed to address
> Oldfields problem..
>
> The problem of two valid and conflicting  lines of logic
> has given rise to much speculation and misunderstanding,
> Lavelle even pursued ideas of a partner in the
> North with a female acquaintance involved..
>
> The official Smutty solution just ignored the problem,,
> and kept it secret....
>
> Oldfield got closest with his idea of the Ripper
> being protected by someone in the North...
> Even if he was not the Ripper he was at least
> connected in some way...
>
> Eighteen months turning Sunderland upside down
> and no result on that line of thinking either..
>
> So what possible explanation could remain...?????
>
> It is not an either,, or ,, situation,,,
>
> There has to be an explanation...
>
> All we got in 81
> was this..
>

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Miasma%20of...

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 6, 3:04 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:33 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ...................................................
>
> > It completely dismisses years of work
> > done by cops who breathed slept and eat the
> > nightmare for years..
>
> There were survivors of the Yorkshire Ripper
> he was not a superman who never failed..
> The cops established this before everything went
> pear shaped..
>
> Two of his victims did live to tell of the time they were in his car,,
> They both said,, blondie/mousey,, "not a local man"..
>

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Moureen%20a...

>
> Where has Marilyn been all these years,, she could of sold
> an interesting story by now...
>
> She got ten and a half gran compensation outta Suttty ..
> Through the courts..
>

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Old%20Press...

One should not be unsympathetic to the surviving victims
who found themselves caught in the limelight of the worlds press..

Woke up in hospital with serious head injuries
and the worlds media going on about
a Geordie who sent the cops a tape..

Looking to authority they placed trust in..
and finding the whole world thought something else..

Same thing goes with others who say they saw
Sutty,, when maybe they did not..

I like Maureen's Mirror remark because it
was off the cuff before she heard the tape..

It also fits with Marilyn who said he
might be a Liverpudlian...

Not Geordie and not Irish either..
Maureen would have known a Geordie..
She was no softy either,,

This clip is worth a
watch it through..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8471021.stm

...............................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 6, 4:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:



..................................................................

>
> This clip is worth a
> watch it through..
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8471021.stm
>
> ...............................................................................

That news clip is a powerful reminder..

I suggest you also look
at the envelope the tape arrived in..

Three letters came before that,, over 700 words, all handwritten,,
and the cops chased after that tape which
arrived in a very dodgy looking envelope..

Not made available for many years..

There is also a copy of the third envelope with oil stains..
Which arrived just days before the killer left oil traces on a girls
body
in Saville Park..

The links to the letters are quite solid,,
so why did the tape envelope
appear so fishy..

Well worth a rite good thinking about..

See here..

http://media.photobucket.com/image/wearside%20jack/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/DecidedlyDodgy.jpg?o=4

........................................
,

[Rupert Bear]

> If you want answers,, figure for yourselves..

I am interested in the conflict of logic
and deductive reasoning..

Because..
In Nov 1980,, almost 31 years to the day
my life was also being turned upside down
by this very same conflict of logic..
Only the opposite way round,, put the two together
and they fitted and resolved the conflict..
A picture that makes sense could be seen..

Oldfield always maintained he was a local man
and yet the tape got them all looking for a Geordie,,

Oldfield suffered a heart attack from overwork
an well I sympathise wi him,, cos,,
I know the conflict that tear's you to bits....
I am a victim of my own beliefs also..

I came to believe in November 1980
that my cousin was the Yorkshire Ripper,
Despite the very obvious fact that he was not
from the NE and it could not be his voice on the tape..

The significance of that fact was not lost on me
and I can assure you that it is not at all easy to
walk into a cop shop and try to tell them they was all wrong..

I live In Scotland and I knew very little of what had passed
down there in Yorkshire,,
my cousin came up here to stay with me for a while
and things that happened lead me to believe he was the ripper..
I dismissed my suspicions at first because of the tape
and placed the book I had been reading in my bookshelf..
That is when things started to happen and i found other relevant
family history info from my mother..

I have been posting my story for several weeks now at this link..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/?action=view&current=WeDidntLookForDeaduns.jpg

I travelled all the way to Leeds incident room
in 1980,, Via the NE,, because my older brother lives over there,,
he would of remembered what Pete was like better than me..
I hoped he would help me,,and al I got was
mooing an complacency..

My dad was dead ,,He would have understood,,
I had no one else to turn to except my older brother
and he let me down,,
they lived over there and had heard that tape many times..
So had I,, on the phone,,,, give me some credit,,
despite tha godamm tape I still hold my
beliefs as true..

Me an my partner stopped overnight and next day
drove down to Leeds incident room to try
get them to do something quickly..

You see,, my cousin had learned of my
suspicions and the fact that he had been reported..

I also suspected that his wife knew something about it
and was sheilding him.. I heard a snip of conversation
that scared me shitless,, the calm calculating way
they discussed whether we knew totally freaked me out
big time..

Don't ask me to explain how,, but I believed something bad
was going to happen,, and he needed lifting quickly.
I sold my brand new hi-fi an hired a car for a week..

We ended up in tha incident room in Leeds..
I reckon on the 11th or 12th of Nov 1980..
And the first thing the Tec asked is was he from the NE,,
I saw his eyes go blank after I answered that question..
Just going through the motions,, though I tried best i could,
If he was not a geordie they were not interested,
I can attest to that for certain..

Needless to say I got no further forward
than I did with the local cops in Scotland..

Miss hill was murdered only a week later,,
Sutty was arrested six weeks later,,
and I do not have the slightest idea if
my cousin was ever checked out,, and if he was ,,
most certainly it would not have been within the
terms of my contentions..

I read tales of how Holland was cheered like some Roman
related by Laptew and I wonder if it could be true,,
I find it hard to believe myself..

I know that both lines of reasoning,,

One which says the Geordie letter-writer
predicted and demonstrated far too much
knowledge of the series of murders..

And the one where the girls who survived
say he was not a Geordie,, or Irish,,
maybe Liverpool was their best guess,,
definately not local came from the two
girls best able to describe him..

Well my cousin had a damm queer accent too
south on Manchester..

That was many years ago now,, and my cousin
died in the 90's..

But she survives,, and well,,
older and wiser now ,, you know how it works..

The lady was no sleeping partner,,
the smarts lay with her..
She will be the one who
talked nicely to some poor Geordie,,
or poor girl in Saville Park,,
Headingly,,
Bradford,,

Miss MacDonald..
Yeah,, he changed his routine that nite
for sure..

I find it hard to place all blame on him,,
he was born/made slightly different,,
He would not have lasted five minutes without the
clever lady in his life..

Oldfield and Co tret the Public like
sheep thirty years ago,,

If you want some semblance justice for the dead
or yourselves you will have to try bleating a bit louder...

Think for yourselves..

................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

> I have been posting my story for several weeks now at this link..http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20I...

Don't forget the time links folks,,,
fourteen months and the Rippeer case had gone to sleep..
A Scotsman who had never seen anthing on the telly about it
sold his hi-fi and hired a car to warn the cops in Leeds..

They thought he was funny dumm fuck cos he
was not reportin a Geordie,,

One week later the Ripper returned,,
and that tape was played again,,
and again,, and again..

Tha's when i began to understand..

Then they arrested sutty
and I could nor understand anything..

Tellin the cops just got girls killed,,

What wasa to do..???????????????


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Special Care]

On Nov 8, 1:48 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Oldfield and Co tret the Public like
> sheep thirty years ago,,
>
> If you want some semblance justice for the dead
> or yourselves you will have to try bleating a bit louder...
>
> Think for yourselves..

======================

"They didn't turn Sunderland upside down for no reason........."

Yeah, you're right there.

Micheal Bilton's book is particularly disgusting.
He admits to being a close friend of Dick Holland, and even admits
that his book is largely Dick Holland's story !

Jayzizz..............................................

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm an old man and I am running out of steam. I accept that you are
more of an authority on the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up than I am now.

You can't prove your allegations beyond all doubt, just as Mr Noel
O'Gara can't prove his allegations beyond all doubt. The evidence can
be piled up, but no one actually witnessed Cousin Pete or Billy Tracey
doing it to Wilma, Emily, Jayne etc...........meaning the women Peter
Sutcliffe confessed to having killed but did not kill..............to
enable Margaret Thatcher to dance across the world stage in all her
glory on the arm of her beau, the cheap B-movie gunman Ron
Reagan.............and to enable the City Fathers and Chamber of
Commerce in Leeds to promote Leeds as the 'mecca' of the north of
England in the 1980s, without the Ripper scare which was bad for
business.................

Do you want to publish your ideas in the form of a paper book?
Try Authorhouse. They're fairly decent about such matters. They
publised my paper book back in 2007, though I deleted it after a
couple of years when it became clear that people are not ready for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"GEORGE IS DELIGHTED AS WELL....?"

"Aren't you, George?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[Rupert Bear]

They moved into a house three hundred yards away from
my mothers,, just around the corner..
And carried on like normal..

Moved back down to the Preston area three years later...


...........................................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 8, 2:23 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 1:48 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> Oldfield and Co tret the Public like
> > sheep thirty years ago,,
>
> > If you want some semblance justice for the dead
> > or yourselves you will have to try bleating a bit louder...
>
> > Think for yourselves..
>
> ======================
>
> "They didn't turn Sunderland upside down for no reason........."
>
> Yeah, you're right there.
>
> Micheal Bilton's book is particularly disgusting.
> He admits to being a close friend of Dick Holland, and even admits
> that his book is largely Dick Holland's story !
>
> Jayzizz..............................................
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm an old man and I am running out of steam. I accept that you are
> more of an authority on the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up than I am now.
>
> You can't prove your allegations beyond all doubt, just as Mr Noel
> O'Gara can't prove his allegations beyond all doubt. The evidence can

I would prefer that you pissed off back to the Buffy thread
for a pow wow in her wig-wam...
stead of repetitively saying i cant prove....

It is not my job to prove,,
but i can place evidence
(Handwriting)
and testimony in the public
arena..

You have to buy Garas book
to find tha poor story..
Fake, paid for,,, Writing sample..
he's not got any matching
handwriting and he knows it..

I have some handwriting
posted here...

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/?action=view&current=PeteEsqwithsametails.jpg

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/

And I din have to pay some wise guy for it either..


...................................................................

[Nigel Oldfield]

On 08/11/2011 14:23, Special Care wrote:
> On Nov 8, 1:48 pm, Rupert Bear<nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oldfield and Co tret the Public like
>> sheep thirty years ago,,
>>
>> If you want some semblance justice for the dead
>> or yourselves you will have to try bleating a bit louder...
>>
>> Think for yourselves..
> ======================
>
> "They didn't turn Sunderland upside down for no reason........."
>
> Yeah, you're right there.

"They never learn, do they ... "

WM

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 8, 2:46 pm, Nigel Oldfield <WMCriticalEstop...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Hullow there.. Oldie..

Somebody said that before,,
got anything less ambiguous
to add..

...........................................

[Special Care]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIBVMVu2GdE&feature=related

[Special Care]

The look on George Oldfield's face at the FAKE PRESS
CONFERENCE...........
Supposedly they had just caught the Yorkshire Ripper...........
So why the miserable expression on George Oldfield's face???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIBVMVu2GdE&feature=related

[Special Care]

On Nov 8, 2:44 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2:23 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:

­---------

>
> I would prefer that you pissed off back to the Buffy thread
> for a pow wow in her wig-wam...
> stead of repetitively saying i cant prove....

====================================

>
> You have to buy Garas book
> to find tha poor story..
> Fake, paid for,,, Writing sample..
> he's not got any matching
> handwriting and he knows it..
>
> I have some handwriting
> posted here...
>

> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20I...
>
> http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20I...

>
> And I din have to pay some wise guy for it either..
>
> ...............................................

==============================

I doubt if Buffy St. Marie would let me into her wigwam.......I'm too
honest for her liking...........Pete Seeger got inside her knickers by
kowtowing to her racist fantasies about the supposed moral superiority
of the North American Injuns, who in fact were *colonising each other*
much more viciously and much more cruelly in pre-Columbian times than
the whites colonised the whole damn' lot of them later. Pete Seeger
was only letting himself down when he promoted Buffy St. Marie's
racist imbecility. It's time someone said that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I respect Mr Noel O'Gara but to be brutally honest, the handwriting of
Billy Tracey's confession, reproduced in Mr O'Gara's book, has a
particular style based on the Irish education system of the
1940s...........in particular, the way Billy Tracey wrote the lower
case 'r' is hugely significant...............deriving from the Irish
educational system of the 1940s/1950s, whereas 'Wearside Jack' wrote
the lower case 'r' differently - English/Scottish style.
That has to be said, even though I have only respect for Mr Noel
O'Gara.
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[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 9, 11:53 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why you keep posting this link endlessly,,
are you tryin to bore them to death wi it..

> Supposedly they had just caught the Yorkshire Ripper...........
> So why the miserable expression on George Oldfield's face?

He knew it wassa Lie,,spect they all did..

Sorry ,,
Tha kid issa nuisance sometimes..
I would delete im iffen I knew how..

Thame cops was singing the Rippers song you know,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related

http://nutherat.blogspot.com/2011/11/fencing-with-ripper.html

George might have been fobbed off wi a compromise
cos the Preston an NE connections were left open
his suspect could still be lifted in another investigation..
An they still had Mo Lea,, off the board,,
see how she might of worked as a secret
saved up the cops sleeve,, ripper victim,?

..............................................................

[Rupert Bear]

Iffen they ever got im
they would just of said he was
Sutty's-Super-Sunderland-Bum-Chum
an denied im his infamy..


..............................................

[Rupert Bear]

> They thought he was a funny dumm fuck cos he
> was not reporting a Geordie,,

>
> One week later the Ripper returned,,
> and that tape was played again,,
> and again,, and again..
>

> That's when i began to understand..
>
> Then they arrested Sutty

> and I could nor understand anything..

..................................................

>
> Tellin the cops just got girls killed,,
>

That statement probably sounds
abit offbeam to most folks,
I understand that
but i will not take it back..

Maybe clarifying would be more useful,,
My cousin and his wife found out that
I had told the cops about him being the Ripper,,
and that was the thing that got another girl killed..

To understand my point of view you have to
understand that I describe a family member,,
my cousin Pete,, who had a very clever wife..

She would have known what was happening
from the beginning in 1975,
I expect she was afraid
of him at one time herself..

I cannot say with any cetainty how it might of started,,
but I can say that by the time he came to stay with me in 1980
they were both involved and acting together as a team
or partners if you like.. Husband and Wife..

Pete lost his dad to untreated syphilis in 1968
when he was only ten years old..
I do not know much about that disease but I hear that
it can affect the brain and other organs in the final stages..
It was told it was heart failure at the time,, down to drinking,,
and his dad was dreadful womaniser,, at least he fancied hisel as
such..

His dad died at home and his mom is a little saint
who never would say a bad word about anyone..
Don't suppose I was any more than fourteen when his dad died
and I did not know much about it at the time either..

He was left as this particularly headstrong ten year old boy
in a family that was all girls who loved their dad,, and probably
the older ones had very dim views of the lady friends in his life..

Having your father die from syphilis at home sounds like a
nightmare for a young boy and the other childeren too.
One can can only guess because his mother would
never say a bad word about anyone,,
I think a lot of things have been left unspoken..

In 1974 his mother married again because she found herself
pregnant to a man all the children hated,, a user..
The girls rallied to support her,, she lost three baby's
previously because of her first husbands illness..
The prevailing wisdom was that she had enough already
and the baby was terminated,, but the unwelcome marriage still
went through.. And Pete as the youngest and the only boy in the
family lived through this carry on,, a particularly willful an
stubborn pigheaded boy with views that must have been influenced by
his older sisters views concerning their much loved dads illness
and where he caught it from..

I think he grew up with issues re the female specie
that formed the primary cause of why it all started,,
and that his wife to be could sympathise with this
in the beginning,, understood his hangups and
dislike for free an easy lady's in an alcoholic mess..

First victims didn't die and she didn't tell on him..
I think she was there and knew from the beginning
and was drawn in more and more as the thing grew
out of control..

It stopped for a year after Emily Jackson,,
a particularly messy affair with fifty two stab wounds..
During that time he failed his first driving test and had to take
another.
Transport Problems,, and method of transport is not clear in the
beginning..
They had a couple stay with them at this time for a while,,
spect she encouraged it as a safeguard for herself,,
or a good influence for him,, or maybe as a control on his
activities..

But it started again just two weeks after he passed
his second driving test.
The lodgers had moved on,,he had his freedom
of the roads..
Time passes and people adjust to circumstance,,
and in Feb 1977 the Ripper case really took off
with a vengeance..

I can only offer guesswork as to how it could have started
but I do not think I am so very far off the mark,,
He exploded one day and nearly killed a a drunken
woman cos of his family hangups,, and she went along
and kept quiet and gradually got drawn in more and more..

However it may of started can not be known
to myself,, in 1980 I just found that I believed
myself to be confronted by a completely ruthless
couple who were capable of anything to keep their secret..
An that she was equally dangerous as he was,, though
obviously he was the muscle of the partnership,,
she was the intuitive clever one and from that point
of view far more dangerous as far as I was concerned..

In this view I continue to believe I am correct,,
she was the clever one who sought a way to
escape her destiny of being caught and
prosecuted as a serial killers wife..

A clever young couple who both wished to avoid
his capture,,and lived just South of Manchester
fit into the Yorkshire Ripper scenario like the missing
parts of a puzzle so perfectly,, it's a revelation..
The answer is so easy to see when
finally you are confronted with it..

Not so in 1980 though,, I was struggling with
very limited information,, some of which was
deliberately wrong and issued by cops
who did not understand what they were up against..

A couple was seen but never found re Headingly,,
A couple was seen but never found re Saville Park..
Something was seen but not reported re Bradford,,
a girl wi a motorcycle is my guess..

Four years is a long time to live with murder
and they sought a way out,, to secure their future,,
a plan was devised between them..
Letters signed as Jack the Ripper from Sunderland led the
hunt away and reduced the chances of that boy giving himself away..
A voice on a tape with a genuine wear side accent confirmed
the origin of the man despite the fact that surviving victims
had not spoken to a Geordie..

A couple who both took size seven shoes,,
messing with the cops brought the Ripper case to
an end with that tape in 1979..
They approached and persuaded an "innocent stranger"
from Wearside to read a message into a tape machine..

Easy Peasy,,
The guy would not have had a clue what was happening,,
he just read into a tape machine cos he had to..

This couple could what I describe, I am certain,,
as I say,, they scared me shitless in 1980..

When Miss Lea and Miss Sykes were attacked
she was tied up in Preston with her parents and the
new baby,, but when Miss Hill was killed it was after
they had moved into their new home..

Her father stayed up here for a week or so
after I told him about my suspicions..

I was awake at nights with a baseball bat handy,,
expecting something to happen and it did,,
only not what I expected...

The first time they were on their own and footloose
MISS HILL WAS KILLED TO GET THAT TAPE PLAYED AGAIN
AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
It was their best possible defence under the circumstances
and it worked.. Like a dream come true,,they arrested Sutty
an prosecuted him instead..

Yadda thunk the cops was in cahoots wi thame killers
twas manna from heaven for them at that time....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SyB5D7GRCI&feature=related

http://nutherat.blogspot.com/2011/11/fencing-with-ripper.html


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[Special Care]

You've said quite a lot there. You seem quite sure of yourself, but
people who don't know Cousin Pete have difficulty accepting your
charges as proved, just as people who never met Billy Tracey have the
same difficulty with the "Irish Bible" as you call it............

Various forces were at work to press the cops into accepting Peter
Sutcliffe's fake confessions.

=====================================================

THE RON WARREN INTERVIEW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=hkSaYJg9gMU

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why was the interview so brief in its published extract?

That man - Ron Warren - knew plenty about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-
up and he was willing to talk about it.

Yet the published extract from that interview, although valuable, was
cut short, as if its only intention was to establish there were not
one but TWO men committing the series of killings associated with the
Yorkshire Ripper and nothing else.

It is good to see Ron Warren confirming it.

BUT WE ALREADY KNEW THAT.

Any and all interested citizens reading the newspapers in Yorkshire
and London in the late 1970s would have been well aware of statements
from Jim Hobson and other officers of the West Yorkshire Police during
1978-80 to the effect that there were not one but TWO men involved in
the Yorkshire Ripper killings, apparently acting independently of each
other, but aware of each other’s presence after the Yvonne Pearson
‘glitch’ in early 1978.

The Yorkshire Ripper case is unique in that sense - two serial killers
who became active in the same region at about the same time, having no
direct contact with one another, but becoming aware of each other’s
presence after the Yvonne Person ‘glitch’ in early 1978. It’s unique
in the history of true crime………

………….and Margaret Thatcher’s glory rating is involved……………that’s
another unique aspect of the case, which everybody is ignoring……until
the Old Bag in London is dead and the threat of a libel suit
recedes…..then when both James Hobson of Harrogate and the Old Bag of
London are in the cemetary six feet under, the floodgates of TRUTH
will open wide in relation to the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up………….

Mickey Bilton was roped in by the ruling group to write and publish
his encyclopedic volume to butress up the Peter Sutcliffe Myth,
because the ruling group need stooges like Mickey Bilton to cover
their tracks with apparently plausible true crime publications……in
this case to buttress up the myth that Peter Sutcliffe is the
Yorkshire Ripper when everybody who can see and think and read knows
that Peter Sutcliffe is NOT the Yorkshire Ripper………….. It was mighty
hard work…..Michael Bilton’s book. I hope the ruling group paid him
well for all the effort that the *ruling group stooge* Mickey Bilton
put into buttressing up the Peter Sutcliffe Myth……..

-------------------------------------------------------------------

RON WARREN

That man, Ron Warren, he knew plenty. And he was willing to speak
publicly about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up. Yet the published
interview with him is truncated. Why?

No questions were asked by Mr Noel O’Gara in that interview (the
published part) as to *which* crime scenes bore a *different* blood
group from the crime scenes of the small number of women Peter
Sutlciffe killed.

Why did Mr Noel O’Gara not ‘cut to the chase’ in that interview, and
mention the names - Wilma, Emily, Jayne, etc……and ask Ron Warren in
which particular cases did the blood groups differ………….?

Why did Mr Noel O’Gara stop there, why did he stop at just requesting
Ron Warren to confirm that there were two different blood groups
involved?

It was a real ‘coup’ for Mr Noel O’Gara to get Ron Warren on camera
saying what he said about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up (although we
already knew it if we were reading the newspapers during 1978-80).

But why is the published version of that interview so brief and
frustratingly incomplete, considering that Ron Warren knew plenty and
was willing to talk publicly about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up?

Ron Warren knew plenty about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up, and he was
willing to speak the truth about it. I guess the ruling group hadn’t
got a hold over him. They weren’t expecting him to be honest and
independently minded. Like Judge Boreham……the ruling group just
assumed Judge Boreham would go along with Mickey Havers…….they got a
shock when he didn’t…….don’t know what happened to Judge Boreham after
the fake trial of Peter Sutcliffe…….but I doubt if Judge Boreham
prospered much after he went against Mickey Havers and the ruling
group in the fake Peter Sutcliffe trial………….. It sometimes happens in
a fake democracy. The ruling group haven’t got all bases covered, and
sometimes there are ‘glitches’ such as the Ron Warren interview …………
and such as Judge Boreham’s refusal to go along with the *ruling group
stooge* Mickey Havers.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Playing the Devil’s Advocate, I could ask:
Was Mr Ron Warren referring only to the Joan Harrison / the Preston
affair, and not to Wilma, Emily, Jayne etc.?
When the unique opportunity was there, why did Mr Noel O’Gara not
refer specifically to Wilma, Emily, Jayne etc. with regard to the
different blood types left at the crime scenes?

Call in Mr Spock.

The published interview with Ron Warren is incomplete. Why did Mr Noel
O’Gara not push harder and publish all that Ron Warren was able to
reveal?

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THE BYFORD REPORT:

As for the Byford Report, what’s the use of even thinking about it?

I used to work in a government department, and I know how these things
work.
Government officials always have one eye cast behind their shoulders
at the ‘Old Boy Network’ / INVISIBLE MANAGEMENT CLIQUE who do the
hiring and firing and fast-tracking……………….. and after a short time in
the job, “public servants” get into the rut of saying what is expected
of them by the ‘Old Boy Network’ / INVISIBLE MANAGEMENT CLIQUE who do
the hiring and firing and fast-tracking.

Byford had to say the ‘right’ thing, to preserve his job and his
pension.

Been there. Done that. Seen that.

So the Byford Report is largely worthless in terms of establishing the
truth about the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.

Byford was just a member of the ruling group’s authority structure
trying desperately to keep in with the Old Boy Network / Invisible
Management Clique…….and to preserve his job and his pension………. by
saying and doing what he thought was expected of him by the ruling
group / Old Boy Network / Invisible Management Clique to protect his
job and his pension.

The aim of the Byford Report was simply to establish another FAKE
DEBATE to eclipse the debate we should be having.......the FAKE DEBATE
being criticisms of the West Yorkshire Police for their failure to
arrest Peter Sutcliffe sooner, all based upon the FAKE AXIOM and the
NEW SCRIPT that there was only one man doing the killings and that one
man is Peter Sutcliffe, so that Maggie can waltz across the world
stage with the other faker, the cheap B-movie gunman Ron Reagan,
without any embarrassing questions popping up about the Keystone Cops
in England..................................

Been there. Done that. Seen that.

That’s all there is to the Byford Report. A man desperately trying to
say what his masters expected him to say, to protect his job and his
pension.
(I assume Byford had a wife and children, or some dependent
relatives…… and that is a huge incentive to a *ruling group stooge* to
read from the *ruling group script*.)

Been there. Seen that.

So forget about the Byford Report (so revered by Michael Bilton) as a
source of honest investigation of factual events………………………………….. and
forget about the Byford Report as to what it says about Peter
Sutcliffe’s blood group.

Been there. Done that. I used to work in a government department. I
know how the likes of Byford function. Byford can say that Peter
Sutcliffe’s blood group is A B C D E F G H I J K …… and it has as
much validity as the utterances of the reluctant Winston Smith in The
Ministry of Truth in George Orwell’s “1984” and the utterances of
Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland......... because Byford was only
trying to please his masters and protect his job and his pension by
saying whatever he thought the ruling group expected him to say.

=====================================================
TRUTH IS THE FIRST CASUALTY OF GETTING A JOB IN THE CIVIL SERVICE.
AND TRUTH IS THE FIRST CASUALTY OF BECOMING A *RULING GROUP STOOGE*.
=====================================================

Once you get a job in the civil service, from then on only your job
security and your promotion prospects and your pension matter to you,
and you will tell any lie you think you are expected to tell to
protect your job security and your promotion prospects and your
pension.

Been there. Done that. Seen that.

And that is why I had to get out of the so-called “civil service.”

But Byford didn’t get out.

And so he wrote that stupid “report” for his masters based on the FAKE
AXIOM that Peter Sutcliffe is the Yorkshire Ripper.

Byford was just protecting his pension.

TRUTH IS THE FIRST CASUALTY OF BECOMING A *RULING GROUP STOOGE*.

So whatever Byford said about Peter Sutcliffe’s blood type has as much
validity as the utterances of Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland.
(“Any word I use has only the meaning I choose to give to the
word….”…….
…………HA HA HA HEE HEE HEE HO HO HO….
………and the same applies to the Byford Report, so revered as sacred
scripture by the other *ruling group stooge* Michael Bilton, close
friend and fan and admirer of the corrupt criminal cop Dick
Holland………………. the same Dick Holland who went on to be one of the
‘talking heads’ in several of the fake TV documentaries and fake DVDs
produced to buttress up the Peter Sutcliffe Myth.)

God, what a mess this is, the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=hkSaYJg9gMU

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 14, 11:35 am, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You've said quite a lot there. You seem quite sure of yourself,

Why else would i bother to come here posting on the net bout this
stuff,, my own family...

>but people who don't know Cousin Pete have difficulty accepting your
> charges as proved,

How can one prove when the cops will not investigate my claims..
What would you consider proof,, a photo graph,, caught in the act.. Ha
Ha..
Naw,,proof equals being told by the cops for most folks,,

For those who can see and think for themselves...

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/?action=view&current=DearDianneblanked.jpg

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/Ruperts%20Box/?action=view&current=TurnedTails.jpg

You won't find a Graphologist willing to offer opinion against
suggestions of a DNA match with Humble..
You cant see DNA for yourselves
they are just three little letters
to prop up a nonsensical solution....
Where is Humble now,,
why is he missing..?

....................................................

>just as people who never met Billy Tracey have the
> same difficulty with the "Irish Bible" as you call it............

One does not need to meet Billy Tracey
or Sutty to see that both versions fail to
make any sense out of the case..

I describe a solution that resolves the case
and removes the conflicts like no other..
The beauty of it is that it just happens to be a true story,,
..............................................................

You keep making this misleading statement,,
It is recorded that Police had four other murder enquiries
on the go at the time of Yvonnes death,,
Yallop even suggested six other possible murderers..
Press speculated another Ripper kill every time..
There were always other men killing/attacking other
ladys and prostitutes..

> Any and all interested citizens reading the newspapers in Yorkshire
> and London in the late 1970s would have been well aware of statements
> from Jim Hobson and other officers of the West Yorkshire Police during
> 1978-80 to the effect that there were not one but TWO men involved in
> the Yorkshire Ripper killings, apparently acting independently of each
> other, but aware of each other’s presence after the Yvonne Pearson
> ‘glitch’ in early 1978.
>

It's fairly obvious that the Yvonne Pearson glitch as you call it
was a deliberate ploy by the cops,,,
She had clearly been eliminated from the series but was included
later..
She was in fact included at the same time Mrs Harrison (Preston 75)
was included..
It was the Police response to when the first two letters predicted the
death of
Vera Millward and it came true..
They were sparring with the Ripper in the Press,, at that time..
introduced an error into his count and kept quiet about his letters..
Halifax was what they got for their trouble,, and then they had to
announce his Jack Ripper letters.

................................................................

Iook at the letters and tape as having a hidden agenda
not just mere gloating and boasting..
It can then be seen that they set out to manipulate the cops
and lead them to the NE.. They had no choice but to look for that
Geordie...
But surviving victims (Long and Moore) both said he was not a local
man
and Marilyn suggested Liverpool.. In the opposite direction..

Well they sure did look in the NE an din find him..
Wonder why...

Just some unlucky punter who was
persuaded to read a message into a tape machine...
Two voices,, two men,, but not two MEN involved,, just another victim.
Easy mistake to make when your have two sets of tracks in the mud..

...................................................................................

> The Yorkshire Ripper case is unique in that sense - two serial killers
> who became active in the same region at about the same time, having no
> direct contact with one another, but becoming aware of each other’s
> presence after the Yvonne Person ‘glitch’ in early 1978. It’s unique
> in the history of true crime………
>

> Mickey Bilton was roped in by the ruling group to write and publish

> his encyclopaedic volume to buttress up the Peter Sutcliffe Myth,

> because the ruling group need stooges like Mickey Bilton to cover
> their tracks with apparently plausible true crime publications……in
> this case to buttress up the myth that Peter Sutcliffe is the
> Yorkshire Ripper when everybody who can see and think and read knows
> that Peter Sutcliffe is NOT the Yorkshire Ripper………….. It was mighty
> hard work…..Michael Bilton’s book. I hope the ruling group paid him
> well for all the effort that the *ruling group stooge* Mickey Bilton
> put into buttressing up the Peter Sutcliffe Myth……..

Michael Biltons Book is very comprehensive,,
I agree that he does voice the desired official version in its
entirety..
However there is so much background and reference in there,,
a lot of other information is recorded in his book..
Just have to filter out the rhubarb and custard is all..
I can't be bother to read the Sutty stuff.. it's tiresome..

For instance he also records that Marcella Claxton was thought to
have
been knocked about the head with a bottle,,
and the reasons why she was eliminated from the series
of ripper attacks..

I find bits in all the books,, any one interested
should read as many as they can find,,,
get a scope on the scale of the reversal
when Sutty was arrested..

>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> RON WARREN
>
> That man, Ron Warren, he knew plenty. And he was willing to speak
> publicly about the Yorkshire Ripper cover-up. Yet the published
> interview with him is truncated. Why?
>
> No questions were asked by Mr Noel O’Gara in that interview (the
> published part) as to *which* crime scenes bore a *different* blood
> group from the crime scenes of the small number of women Peter
> Sutlciffe killed.
>

THE RON WARREN INTERVIEWhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=hkSaYJg9gMU

Completely agree here as well,, OG could have done much more
with Ron Warren,, just let him talk about what Oldfield was
really looking for would have been easy,,
The information about different blood types
is of little value without any reference to where they were found..
He might not have know that anyway..
Edited with a fixed purpose in mind...

....................................................................

[Special Care]

On Nov 14, 4:00 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Just some unlucky punter who was
> persuaded to read a message into a tape machine...

==============

Yeah well that is a very important point in any future realistic
evaluations of the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up, after James Hobson of
Harrogate and The Old Bag of London are six feet under and the threat
of a lible suit recedes.

It was a total nonsequitor: the idea that the voice on the tape was
the voice of the man who murdered those women. It's very easy to drive
down Merrion Street or George Street in Leeds and pick up a tramp and
ply him with drink and get him to recite any words into a recording
machine in return for a bottle of booze.................you are right
to bring in that possibility..........

The idiocy of the nonsequitor, the foolish assumption by George
Oldfield that the voice on the tape was the voice of the
killer.....................one wonders how a man of George Oldfield's
intelligence could descend to that level of
stupidity...........assuming that the voice on the tape - admittedly
revealing details only known to the killer - was the voice of the
killer. IT WAS AND IS A TOTAL NONSEQUITOR, to assume that the voice on
the tape was the voice of the Yorkshire Ripper. Total stupidity on the
part of George Oldfield.................but perhaps his love of
whiskey is part of the explanation of such total
stupidity..............

I've made mistakes too when I've been drunk..........

But jayzizz, not as bad as that....my 'Mr Spock' intellect does kick
in when the drink wears off in the morning......................the
voice on the tape could have been ANYBODY'S voice, for jayzizz sake!
George Oldfield lost it completely.

Anyway I'm glad that this thread exists, a thread where freedom of
expression exists with regard to the Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
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[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 14, 6:01 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 4:00 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Just some unlucky punter who was
> > persuaded to read a message into a tape machine...
>
> ==============
>
> Yeah well that is a very important point in any future realistic
> evaluations of the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up, after James Hobson of
> Harrogate and The Old Bag of Lon

Howssabout the here and now...

>

> The idiocy of the nonsequitor, the foolish assumption by George
> Oldfield that the voice on the tape was the voice of the

Snip prejudice an poison..

> I've made mistakes too when I've been drunk..........

Haven we all..

>
> But jayzizz, not as bad as that....my 'Mr Spock' intellect does kick
> in when the drink wears off in the morning......................the
> voice on the tape could have been ANYBODY'S voice, for jayzizz sake!

No,,, not just anybody,,,,? Someone who was co-operating with the
author
for reasons unknown...
Mr average guy in the street would not willingly contribute to such an
endeavour,,
unless he was another killer,, or a victim,, or incriminated in some
way,,
or protecting a relation,, family member or friend..

I don't buy your dumb tramp coerced wi booze idea either,,
The guy sounded sober to me...
To make such a tape in the manner I describe the Yorkshire Ripper
may well have gone hunting in his usual manner..
He might have found a tramp but it is more likely that
that an unlucky punter was found in Sunderland,,
just some poor chap on his own like the girls were..

.......................................................................

> George Oldfield lost it completely.
>

You are not being at all realistic,,
Oldfield's drinking is another hobby-horse thas
abit worn in the tooth,, im tired of hearing about it..
Old school Navy/cum cop, wat liked a we tot,,
does not equal dum an stupid..

After Halifax ,,,(probably even after Manchester)
Oldfield and Co were 100% certain the
letters came from the killer,,,

When they went public with their
search in the NE,, thats when the tape was sent,,
and thats when Oldfield suggested an accomplice in the NE..

He must have taken some heed of what Maureen and Marilyn had to say,,
NOT LOCAL,, NOT IRISH,, NOT GEORDIE...
"HE TALKED FUNNILY" "MAYBE LIVERPOOL"
Olive Smelt was a third victim who said he was Local
after being asked if she heard a Geordie no doubt..
She only heard a couple of words from him,,
the other girls spoke to him in his car..
None of the girls spoke to a Geordie.!!

That they still chased after that Geordie hell for leather
is measure of how certain they were that the
letters and tape came from the killer...

The tape came with another prediction to kill in a few months time..
They knew that he kept his promises...

I do not know if George did make
that foolish assumption you say
he said "an innocent stranger was being condemned to a gruesome death
because someone in the North was protecting the Yorkshire Ripper)..
(page 92 93 Michael Nicholson)
He also said many time that he believed they were after a local
Yorkshire man...
Put those two lines of reasoning together and you have tha conflict of
logic that
tears you to bits,, I was talking about it earlier..
Oldie got ill wi it and had his heart attack,, soon after..
He knew another girl was going to die,,,soon,, and the tape was the
best lead they had,,
The cops were quite right to chase the tape it was the best clue they
had,,
and even if it turned out that he was not the killer he most certainly
will have known
something about it..

Oldfield was an absolute bugger with the information he released
what he really thought is a mystery
and has never been made known to the public...

Here is an example... Saville Park..
"The search of the field has proven fruitful"
You know what,, the only person whos gonna make any sense out
of that was the killer,, and maybe his partner tha was with im..
No one ever came right out and said it but it has been hinted at,,
two sets of footprints were found..
A couple were seen in the vicinity,, and never came forward,,
no mention of two male suspects,, or even one man..
This is why you annoy me with your unclarified reiteration of the
TWO MEN MANTRA you are so fond of..
There are variations of two to be considered in this case..

The public were left bleating for an understanding of what was going
on every time..
An that was before Smutty came along..

Even if the girls had not spoken to a Geordie the letters were still
100 %
genuine from the killer...
Another death had been predicted and
the tape was released just days later,,they needed to find him quickly
that the mans voice would be recognised was a very good bet indeed..

If the cops had indications of two people at a crime scene
then considering a dead mans voice
would not necessarily be the first thing to spring to mind..

Holland and Hobson took over after
Oldfield went to hospital..
What the girls said,, or Oldfield thought
seems to have been forgotten about
or ignored..

But we do know about all thame rumours
of Suttys-Super-Sunderland-Bum-Chum
wot started after he was convicted...


.....................................

[Special Care]

I am willing to admit that you are the foremost authority on the
Yorkshire Ripper cover-up now, as I am getting old and tired and can't
remember every detail.

However, we are living in an INVERTED civilisation, where truth is
FEARED.

So I am sorry to have to tell you that there is no 'market' for your
honesty.

When James Hobson and the Old Bag have died, and the threat of a lible
suit recedes...... I expect some progress.......

That handsome young man, the *Lord Longford* Lookalike, Jim
Hobson.....he lives just down the road from me in Harrogate, so I'm
told.........If I go and knock on Jim Hobson's door, do you think he
might invite me in for a cup of tea and discuss with me how we are
going to resolve the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up?

See the handsome young man / the Lord Longford lookalike at the FAKE
PRESS CONFERENCE...(link below).....

Do you think I should take a walk down the road and knock on Jim
Hobson's door?

He is the last surviving member of the team that fabricated the
Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up / Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
As such, Jim Hobson is something of a celebrity.
A legend in his own lifetime........the last surviving member of the
corrupt West Yorkshire Police clique that fabricated the Peter
Sutcliffe Myth / Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.

Should I take a walk down the street and knock on Jim Hobson's door in
Harrogate?
Look at him........... at the FAKE PRESS CONFERENCE that launched the
Peter Sutcliffe Myth........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

[Special Care]

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to say "Lord Lucan."
Jim Hobson, when he was younger, had a striking resemblance to the
handsome young gambler Lord Lucan.
Jim Hobson should have disappeared too after the Fake Press
Conference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bingham,_7th_Earl_of_Lucan

[Special Care]

By the way, the Wikipedia thing referring to the Yorkshire Ripper has
been fully 'purified' of truth now.
Don't try.
Wikipedia is fully infiltrated by *ruling group stooges*.
If you try to introduce any truth into Wikipedia, you'll end up
feeling like Hans Ruesch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Ripper

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 15, 1:45 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> However, we are living in an INVERTED civilisation, where truth is
> FEARED.

Computers,, TV,, 24 hour news,, phone technology,,,
as dotgov seeks to use and control everything..
Influence an guide/inhibit our thinking and behaviour..
Tell us black is white,,
Yer we are in a strange world today..
Did yer watch that program Machines of Grace,,??

>
> So I am sorry to have to tell you that there is no 'market' for your
> honesty.
>
> When James Hobson and the Old Bag have died, and the threat of a lible
> suit recedes......

I expect some progress.......What,,?
When the lunatics relinquish control of the asylum.. on yer bike..
They should set things on an even keel know stead
of being recorded as above..

Why does it have to be libel talk everytime,,,Thev got it all wrong
and folks should want things rite,, while there is still a chance of
a resolution and justice..

Its got more to do with the reluctance to relinquish power or expose
their
control and ability to lie to a nation for thirty years...
Going against that lot might be more akin to heresy..
don know iffen you get sued for it though,,
dotguv dungeon more like..

>
> That handsome young man, the *Lord Longford* Lookalike, Jim
> Hobson.....he lives just down the road from me in Harrogate, so I'm
> told.........If I go and knock on Jim Hobson's door, do you think he
> might invite me in for a cup of tea and discuss with me how we are
> going to resolve the Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up?
>

> Do you think I should take a walk down the road and knock on Jim
> Hobson's door?
>

You've got a sense of humour ill give you that..

............................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 14, 6:01 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 4:00 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Just some unlucky punter who was
> > persuaded to read a message into a tape machine...
>
>

> The idiocy of the nonsequitor, the foolish assumption by George
> Oldfield that the voice on the tape was the voice of the
> killer.....................one wonders how a man of George Oldfield's
> intelligence could descend to that level of
> stupidity...........assuming that the voice on the tape - admittedly
> revealing details only known to the killer - was the voice of the
> killer. IT WAS AND IS A TOTAL NONSEQUITOR, to assume that the voice on
> the tape was the voice of the Yorkshire Ripper. Total stupidity on the
> part of George Oldfield.................but perhaps his love of
> whiskey is part of the explanation of such total

>

> But jayzizz, not as bad as that....my 'Mr Spock' intellect does kick
> in when the drink wears off in the morning......................the
> voice on the tape could have been ANYBODY'S voice, for jayzizz sake!
> George Oldfield lost it completely.

After a few drinkies to inspire me old knumbskull's...,,
I realised that yet again you give raised to an interesting point...

OK.
Thirty years ago Oldfield and Co failed to consider
the dead man talking scenario...
But they are not alone are they,,
the plain fact of the matter is that no-one in thirty years
has ever voiced this theorem,, and it does seem rather an obvious
consideration.. Specially when you understand the cops prior to
the tapes arrival were suspicious of a deliberate false lead..
That they were hunting for a serial killer who might very well wish to
deceive them as to his whereabouts was an obvious consideration..

None of the surviving girls spoke to a Geordie..and yet they doggedly
pursued that man in the NE for eighteen months..
The Wearside Jack so-called hoax attracted worldwide interest
and speculation from many authors..

I think it would be fair comment to say that the Letters and tape have
had the best minds in the business considering them,, and no one
ever,,,
not in thirty years once suggested the dead man talking scenario
until
Little ol Rupe voiced it to Special C,, and i could tell by his
reaction
a couple of years ago that this was novel talk to him too...

Yup ,,very good point indeed,, why no ever thunk of it before now,,???

I tell ya,, decoding the Ripper Miasma is like detecting black holes
in space,,
you spot an effect and work back to it source..

What other effects can be spotted,, a continuing interest
In Sutty's-Super-Sunderland-Bum-Chum..
Olive Curry still looks there..

Every possible combination of two has been offered up
with the exception of the dead-man-talking scenario..

What could possibly be the cause of this current
in Yorkshire's Murky Smutty Waters....

I wonder...
Is there something we have not been told,,
A knowledge of two involved but not spoken maybe,,
what kind of two i wonder..
could tha possibly be behind the puzzle???

Fascinating point there Special C...
Love it to bits..

>
> Anyway I'm glad that this thread exists, a thread where freedom of
> expression exists with regard to the Peter Sutcliffe Myth.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Folks wi out the wherewithal to riddle the puzzle,
shuoldna be allowed keepin secrets..
Sumpthin Silly might Happen..!!

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=SecretsandScandal.jpg

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=MrAndrew.jpg

..........................................................................................

[Special Care]

On Nov 16, 2:45 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 6:01 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Little ol Rupe voiced it to Special C,, and i could tell by his
> reaction
> a couple of years ago that this was novel talk to him too...
>

============

That is true. You were the first to raise the point. The fact that
someone sent a voice recording to the police giving information that
only the Yorkshire Ripper could have known - it did not follow from
that that the voice on the tape was the voice of the Yorkshire Ripper.
A total NONSEQUITOR.

Yeah, I didn't think of it until you said it to me privately a couple
of years ago.

That is amazing. It was and is a total NONSEQUITOR, and it is very
strange that no commentator or writer on the subject ever pointed out
that simple fact, until you said it. I congratulate you, sir.
===================
There is an enigmatic and haunting quality to the original recording,
with the pauses and the stutters and the lisp.
It arouses FEAR, the fear of the unknown, and it's not really
surprising that they felt the need to rationalise it away under the
carpet by framing John Humble, who has now disappeared into some
obscure mental health ward because if they ever release him he will
soon start blabbing the truth on the internet:
http://www.yek.me.uk/ykrprhoaxtp.html

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 16, 3:37 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2:45 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 14, 6:01 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Little ol Rupe voiced it to Special C,, and i could tell by his
> > reaction
> > a couple of years ago that this was novel talk to him too...
>
> ============
>
> That is true. You were the first to raise the point. The fact that
> someone sent a voice recording to the police giving information that
> only the Yorkshire Ripper could have known - it did not follow from
> that that the voice on the tape was the voice of the Yorkshire Ripper.
> A total NONSEQUITOR.
>
> Yeah, I didn't think of it until you said it to me privately a couple
> of years ago.
>
> That is amazing. It was and is a total NONSEQUITOR, and it is very
> strange that no commentator or writer on the subject ever pointed out
> that simple fact, until you said it. I congratulate you, sir.
> ===================
> There is an enigmatic and haunting quality to the original recording,
> with the pauses and the stutters and the lisp.
> It arouses FEAR, the fear of the unknown, and it's not really
> surprising that they felt the need to rationalise it away under the

Yer well..
I might of sounded abit odd iffen I had knife at me throat or
sumpthin..

Bye the way some folks might need to revert to internet explored to
hear the voice on that link..

That no one ever considered this possibility is the wiggly worm
on tother side of the cow pat I pursue..

Why Not,, Why Not,,??????????
Was they all labouring under some preconceived idea..
Or a lack of information..

People did point out the the incongruity of
searchin for a Geordie when none of the girls
spoke to one,, it was part of the big row just before
the lifted Sutty,,

The first paragraph on that link is a mislead into tha official
preffered view of things..

See here,,

Snip..

My first involvement of any sort in this case was on Tuesday the 26th
of June 1979,
the day on which the famous tape was released to the media.
Three days earlier, when it had only been in their possession for a
few days,
some never-identified mole had leaked to the press the fact that the
tape had been received.
This no doubt forced the hand of the police, who might otherwise have
decided to keep
secret its existence, as they had done that of the first two letters
from Wearside
during the previous year. My colleague Stanley Ellis, who had already
become
involved in the case and had advance knowledge of what was about to
blow up,
quite understandably chose to remain incommunicado as far as the media
were
concerned. I found myself having a copy of the tape rushed to me at my
home
by BBC Television so that I could be ready to give my impressions of
it later in the day.

...........................................................................................................

Humph,,,

Check this out..

http://tinyurl.com/cc9fjbz

It makes you larf does it not,,Suprise me it was not a,
never identified "Super-Mole" wot leaked the tape,,
And then you read Gregory s admission to releasing the tape,,
Recorded in foreign press I might add,, cant find copy in our own..
but it was reported in the Mail an then withdrawn,, or sumpthin..??

The press and others co-operated with the cops,,
they was all a part of what happened back then..

...................................................................................................

[Special Care]

On Nov 17, 10:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 3:37 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That is true. You were the first to raise the point. The fact that
> > someone sent a voice recording to the police giving information that
> > only the Yorkshire Ripper could have known - it did not follow from
> > that that the voice on the tape was the voice of the Yorkshire Ripper.
> > A total NONSEQUITOR.
>
> > Yeah, I didn't think of it until you said it to me privately a couple
> > of years ago.
>

----------------------------------

> Yer well..
> I might of sounded abit odd iffen I had knife at me throat or
> sumpthin..
>
> Bye the way some folks might need to revert to internet explored to
> hear the voice on that link..
>

> People did point out the the incongruity of
> searchin for a Geordie when none of the girls
> spoke to one,, it was part of the big row just before
> the lifted Sutty,,

=============================================

That's a good point.
A knife held to that man's throat while he was talking into the
recording machine?

The original recording exudes fear and uneasiness......which is the
way a man might speak if he had a knife held to his throat and was
ordered to read something into a recorder.
Why did nobody think of the possibility until you came along thirty
years later?
Even David Yallop, "the greatest investigative writer in the world,"
is a slave to the Peter Sutcliffe Religion / The Eleventh
Commandment / The Yorkshire Ripper Cover-up.

The version of the tape that was broadcast all around Leeds and
Sunderland was edited, removing the pauses, and that version sounds
very menacing and self confident as a result, whereas the original
recording does, as you suggest, sound compatible with the voice a
frightened man with a knife held to his throat and being ordered to
read.

It's amazing, really.......the fact that everybody at the time, and I
admit to being one of them, assumed that because a recording was sent
to the police giving information only the Yorkshire Ripper could have
known, it followed that the voice on the tape was the voice of the
Yorkshire Ripper.
A TOTAL NONSEQUITOR.

What a mess.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
COMPARE THE TWO 'VERSIONS' VIA THESE LINKS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DUclUZiX4

http://www.yek.me.uk/ykrprhoaxtp.html

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 17, 12:31 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 10:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.u

> What a mess.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMPARE THE TWO 'VERSIONS' VIA THESE LINKS:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DUclUZiX4
>
> http://www.yek.me.uk/ykrprhoaxtp.html

If you find the yek.me.uk version is a nuisance,,
(I don't like quick time either.)

Try here ,, I posted my version and tried to boost the volume
slightly..
You can even hear his breath on the Mic,,

Same original version though..

http://tinyurl.com/d763lqk

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/?action=view&current=Produce.mp4

.............................................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 17, 12:31 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 10:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> On Nov 16, 3:37 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

>
> ----------------------------------> Yer well..
> > I might of sounded abit odd iffen I had knife at me throat or
> > sumpthin..
>

>

> That's a good point.
> A knife held to that man's throat while he was talking into the
> recording machine?
>
> The original recording exudes fear and uneasiness......which is the
> way a man might speak if he had a knife held to his throat and was
> ordered to read something into a recorder.
> Why did nobody think of the possibility until you came along thirty
> years later?

>

> The version of the tape that was broadcast all around Leeds and
> Sunderland was edited, removing the pauses, and that version sounds
> very menacing and self confident as a result, whereas the original
> recording does, as you suggest, sound compatible with the voice a
> frightened man with a knife held to his throat and being ordered to
> read.
>
> It's amazing, really.......the fact that everybody at the time, and I
> admit to being one of them, assumed that because a recording was sent
> to the police giving information only the Yorkshire Ripper could have
> known, it followed that the voice on the tape was the voice of the
> Yorkshire Ripper.
> A TOTAL NONSEQUITOR.
>

But it may not have been a total non starter for the cops if they had
indication of two people present at the last crime scene..
It would explain so much about the mixed signals cops was sending the
public..
They kept so much info back you need observe
the effect and ask what was the cause..

Here is a news-clip published ten days after they broadcast that
tape,,

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Fair%20Haired%20Man/?action=view&current=RipperRebornJune79.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/7z3mxmo

The tape arrived with another prediction,,
one assumes some of the content is directed at him..
An the sheep just get what Oldfield think is good for em..

Circumstances.
The ripper had broken pattern
and attacked a respecatable bank clerk,,
an area they cannot defend or post surveillance..
and then the press say the hookers are getting sloppy again,,?

And the photo-fits are reported as withdrawn,,
while they chase after tha unknown Geordie for all they was worth...

AND NEVER GOT HIM.

That I suggest a solution never considered in thirty years
fits rather well with the unsolved thirty year puzzle..

Does it not..

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 12:31 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 10:36 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> On Nov 16, 3:37 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

..................................................

>
> > That's a good point.
> > A knife held to that man's throat while he was talking into the
> > recording machine?
>
> > The original recording exudes fear and uneasiness......which is the
> > way a man might speak if he had a knife held to his throat and was
> > ordered to read something into a recorder.
> > Why did nobody think of the possibility until you came along thirty
> > years later?

Maybe because they believed there was another man
for reasons that have never been properley explained...
Maybe folks were even led to believe in the Sutty's Pal/Accomplice
nonsense from the cops..
Holland changed his views on this many times,, one time saying it was
an ex cop,
an next it was Suttys mate,, back an forth,,one unrealistic theory
after the other..

Read Holland's talk here..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%20Two/?action=view&current=AbsurdAllegattionsofTwo.jpg

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%20Two/?action=view&current=PrimeSuspect.jpg

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Two%20and%20Two/?action=view&current=PorkPieDetector.jpg

Yeah,, the guy was just waffling in the wind this way and that..
I don't trust the guys suggestions at all,,
and when he says no,, two sets of footprints
were never found, I wonder why the unnecessary denial,,
what is he hiding..
Two men (acting together and present) were never officially
suspected,,
yet he is quite willing to say two men in Preston
jus so long as one of them was Sutty,,
I think he would of said owt,,
so long as they never question Sutty convictions..
Anything that might do so was the place they dare not tread..

And so..
A dead mans voice is not such whacky a suggestion,,
and that it never occurred to anyone
probably will have had a reason..
Maybe an accomplice never mentioned because
it would have complicated Suttys convictions will
do for me just now..

But the only kind of two ever mentioned in the press
before Sutty was a missing couple..

See Here.
http://tinyurl.com/76vlogn

My contentions are also based on a couple,,
and I encourage people to try looking at the letters
and tape again from the couple,, point of view..

It works out well when seen this way,,
For instance the tape recording might have been achieved this way..

Couples considerations..
A man from Sunderland with a local accent,,
A man who is not too strong to deal with,, a slight man,,
A man who can read nicely into a tape machine and be controlled by
them..
Approach him and get him into the van under some pretext,,

Possibly like this..
They would most likely just go looking for a suitable victim in a
similar manner,,
near wide open spaces,, parkland like Saville Park,, near a pub,, in a
pub..
Or a quiet stretch of road and a little fellow comes along,, on his
way home..
When he comes beside them,, she asks,,
we are looking for a quiet spot to spend the night,,
do you know anywhere..

Yeah,,Oh,, you could go up the old quarry,,
jus go up there an turn left and
right and follow the ol quarry road,,
Do you mind showing us,, we'll bring you back..
Ok then,, and next thing you know
the guy is sitting between them in their transit van they use for
camping..
They would be able to consider any number of means to achieve that
result..

And next thing you know some poor little guy with no harm in him
at all,, is ferrried to a quiet spot nearby..
and a tape machine is produced,, look we want you to read
a joke message to my old Pal Oldfield..

The chances are that the guy would know very little
about the Yorkshire Ripper and would co-operate with a minimal
amount of persuasion.. Certainly confused and more afraid as he reads
but with the lady beside him,, he would not be able to take it in,,
cept they were not letting him go till he read into the machine..
They conk him one and run him over and
then take him back and chuck him out where they got him..

Quite achievable,, and easier for a couple to do..

And to understand the motive for what seems an lot of trouble
to go to,, you got to go back and understand the Ripper case
and how it developed over five years..

>
> > The version of the tape that was broadcast all around Leeds and
> > Sunderland was edited, removing the pauses, and that version sounds
> > very menacing and self confident as a result, whereas the original
> > recording does, as you suggest, sound compatible with the voice a
> > frightened man with a knife held to his throat and being ordered to
> > read.
>

One can easily imagine fear and confusion,,and a lack of proper
inflection
in the message,, read by a man who was not connected in any way..
Who may not have been terrified completely out of wits,, just enough
to get him to read....

What was the motive,,
well they were still looking for him twenty five years later..

I would think the tape was made even before the third letter was sent
to the cops,, or about the same time..

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 22, 2:35 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

........................................................................

>
> What was the motive,,
> well they were still looking for him twenty five years later..
>

Understanding a proper motive for the tape
requires going back a few years
and understanding what preceded the letters and the
change of target/victims...

They appeared to be random attacks and murders ,
but that does not mean there were no patterns,,
the Ripper case is rich with patterns,, observable behaviour
and tantalising puzzles..
Three great big gaps in time and an
overall pattern of escalation in the enquiry and
public outrage..

The cops sometimes asked why is he so lucky,
but I'm not so sure he would have seen it that way..

It started in 75 and well,,
perhaps he never set out to be a Ripper,,
His weapons and methods were not quite so
firmly established evolved or premeditated at the start.
Nevertheless his attacks were to become identifiable
with the series, because of certain features he repeated
the ferocity of his attacks quite naturally led to comparisons
with the 1888 Ripper..
His last attack in that first group was a particularly messy
one,, over fifty stab wounds,,
The Police reckoned he would have been covered in blood..
The press Labelled him the Yorkshire Ripper
and it stopped for a year..

As to wether he had been familiar with the original Ripper
case or was consciously emulating him
is not at all clear by the first few attacks..
But when he returned in 77 there was a sense of purpose
deliberation and planning,, a specific
MO was soon established by the police..
He now stabbed several times through the same entry wound,,
one can only guess that this would reduce the blood staining..
The examining officers remarked on a sense of deliberation and
calculation involved..
http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/?action=view&current=CalculatingKiller.mp4

The killer spent time to re-arrange the bodys and clothes
posing his victims,, his work was easily identifiable
and reflected a good deal of thought and consideration..
At this time I think it is pretty fair to say he was well aware of
his Yorkshire Ripper moniker and encouraged it deliberately..

It was easy for him to pick them up and he was quite brazen..
but then things started to go wrong for him,, at least,,
I think from his point of view he would have seen it that way..

The young shop assistant in Leeds was a change of pattern..
Getting close to a prostitute in a car in a lonely spot was one
thing,,
But killing a bright young girl in Reginald Square was quite another..
How do you stop and get close enough to your victim and silently
disable/kill with the first blow,, one scream or call for help
in that quiet street could have been risky...

That is one of the puzzles,, how to get close and kill silently
with many people in the close vicinity late at night when the
girls were on their guard..

A new "efficient" pattern of attack had been used for the first time
and it worked very well except for one thing..
The girl turned out to be a lovely sixteen year old shop girl
on her way home from a night out..
She lived near a red light area,, she had to walk that way home,,
just bad luck for her and maybe the platform heeled shoes
she wore played a apart in her selection..

Jayne's death introduced a new killing method,,
but the public outcry which resulted
largely focused on her complete innocence..
Public outrage and press and demands that this man be caught
became National news..

The fact of the matter was that killing Prostitutes
was not nearly so offensive to the Public,,
Her death heralded a huge escalation in the
Police hunt,, news coverage and public awareness..

And no doubt Jayne was a genuine mistaken identity,,
not a part of the Rippers plan at all..
Nevertheless he was stuck with the result and
consequence..

The hunt for him had mushroomed overnight
and a mistake had brought it on..
The end of June 77 is the beginning of a
period of bad luck for the Ripper..
A sequence of five attacks where things
most definately had not gone as planned,,
are the lead up to the Ripper letters
which were posted from Sunderland in March 78..

Try to understand the Letters,,
from the senders point of view...
Things were going wrong and the hunt was getting
pretty hot when those letters were sent to the cops,,,

From Sunderland,,????????

Yer rite,,,,What was the motive again
reckless boasting,, ? I don't think so..

It don't seem so reckless somehow when you cant catch im
not even when you got the guys voice and handwriting..

The letters and tape are well worth figuring
out for yourselves,,

From the killers point of view they make perfect
sense,, as a reaction to being hunted,,
the fear of getting caught is a perfect motive
for those letters and tape, posted from Sunderland...??

Killing another innocent in order to
produce the tape would be no big deal to a serial killer..
Getting caught would be a constant worry though...

............................................................

[Rupert Bear.]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:07:31 -0800, Rupert Bear wrote:

> On Nov 22, 2:35 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ........................................................................
>>
>> What was the motive,,
>> well they were still looking for him twenty five years later..
>>
>

> Understanding a proper motive for the letters and tape

> requires going back a few years

> and considering what preceded the letters and the

> change of target/victims...
>
> They appeared to be random attacks and murders ,
> but that does not mean there were no patterns,,
> the Ripper case is rich with patterns,,
> observable behaviour and tantalising puzzles..
> Three great big gaps in time and an
> overall pattern of escalation in the enquiry and
> public outrage..
>
> The cops sometimes asked why is he so lucky,
> but I'm not so sure he would have seen it that way..
>

It is useful explore the time-line and sequence
of events from the killers point of view..

The public image of the Yorkshire Ripper
case is,,and was then, elevated and demonised
out of proportion,, it does not help one to
find a proper understanding of the letters and tape..

The Cops say he was lucky..
But from his point of view things may not
have been going so well..

Certainly he seems to have returned at the beginning of 1977
with calculated vendetta against drunken sluts and
good time girls,, killing and slashing his victims
in a manner that was reminiscent of the 1888 case..

Perhaps he had not deliberately set out to emulate the
original London Jack story,, but soon after his
return it became clear that a modern day moralistic
Jack Ripper copy-cat was on the loose.. With a car
the new Ripper could travel with ease on our motorways..

At first it was easy for him,, just pick up a working
lady and let her take you to a quiet place..
But he was not quite a truly random killer as yet..
He was targeting a specific group in society,, a group
of people already hardened by life's experience
and liable to become more cautious or take measure's
in their own defence..

Using a car was a perfect way of getting them
to a quiet place where he could do what he wished..
But the car comes with a huge drawback,,
those numberplate's front and back
were a distinct liability in his line of work..
There is a lot of truth to be found in those
letters and tape albeit deliberately misleading..
One reference in particular may provide a clue
to what followed.. The third letter taunted
Oldfield with a story about a near miss..
While parked in his car with a hooker,,
a Police car happened to check the lane
they were in and did nothing..
Perhaps they got his number,, one could not say,,
the girl advised him not to worry,
that they turned a blind eye..
She was a lucky girl if that story was true,
and I feel that it could very well be so,,
though not necessarily occurring
when he suggested..

That he was a calculating premeditated
and thinking executioner of unwary
working girls, I think is a fair comment..
They were no longer frenzied uncontrolled
attacks,, the guy kept his cool until the
last moment and made a calculated decision
when it was safe to continue..
This element of his behaviour
has often been remarked on..

Perhaps he became aware of the prostitutes
coming under increased surveillance..
Observed an increased wariness from them also,,
it would only require one of their mates
or a hidden observer to to take down his number..
Of course he would be intensely aware of the
vulnerability which accompanies the use a car
in red light areas.. It's obvious innit..

I would bet that..
Word very quickly got round that the
"Yorkshire Ripper" was back..
Quite early in 1977 he found himself
considering the very real risk of having
his number plate being recorded..
False number plates were just as chancy
and more likely to attract attention..
I'll bet he spent quite some time thinking
about this kind of stuff..
After all,, he was now a very premeditated
killer on a moralistic mission..

The next murder reflects that he dealt with
this problem by going as a footsoldier,
and that he kept his car just outside
the red light area..

In Reginald Square,, just off Chapeltown,,
a new method was devised which did not involve
exposing his car.. Yeah,, this man was thinking
a lot about what he was up to,, and taking the
necessary precautions..
Reginald Square is a natural walkway twixt
Chapeltown and Scott Hall where his first
Leeds victim lived..
A place had been pre-selected as suitable
for his purpose,, it is not a co-incidence
or by chance that the kiddies play area was
there.. It was spotted and identified as a
place where such an attack could successfully
be made..
Controlling the risk of a victim screaming
or raising the alarm in the close proximity
of homes in quiet Reginald square is another
puzzle,, I do not address here,, but it
should be noted..

Perhaps he just got a new white car,,
a Cortina,, his pride and joy, who knows..
But he kept his car well out of sight that
night and found a new way to acquire an
unsuspecting victim..

And it worked like a dream,,
another successful kill
in the very streets of Leeds..
Despite the fact they was after him..

He would have been rite pleased with himself
but for one thing,, she turned out to be
a lovely 16 year old shop girl on her way way
home from a night out,, her only connection with
vice was that she lived nearby and had to walk
home that way..
She had dallied with a young acquaintance
and was late coming home...

This would have been a big mistake from
the Rippers point of view at the time,,
his moralistic high ground had been ruined..
All that careful planning and thinking it through
had gone to waste on account of a pair of platform
shoes and a miniskirt clunking about too late at night,,
I'll bet he was mad as all hell,,
but he was a victim of his own prejudice that night,,
and it was the beginning of a run of bad luck for this man..

Got to give him his dues though,,
he did go back only two weeks later
and this time he selected and old girl,,
picked her up from a taxi rank,
and she was agreeable to his proposition,,
she went with him to a lonely spot for sex and money..

She really should have died that night
considering the injuries she suffered,
But Maureen was as tough as they came and
miraculously she beat the odds and survived
to describe him,, and his nice new car..

Twice that happened,,
the youngest were followed by the oldest..
One of the curious things
about the Ripper was his
childish judgemental balancing up
nature.

Oh yea,, the Ripper's run of luck had
turned sour big time..
Circumstances changed considerably in the wake
of the public outcry resulting from the
young girls death..
A colossal manhunt was now launched after him
and now they had his description too,,
and even knew what car he drove...

The Yorkshire Ripper killed only one more
prostitute in Yorkshire after that night
in Reginald Square..
Two in Greater Manchester but only one
in Yorkshire..
I'll bet my boots,
you never thought of it that way before,!

For the Yorkshire Ripper,,
his luck had changed very much
for the worse...

It is clear that he responded to
changing circumstance and remember..

I am still talking about the period which
precedes the so-called hoax letters and tape..

..............................................

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 22, 5:07 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2:35 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yah
>

> Try to understand the Letters,,
> from the senders point of view...
> Things were going wrong and the hunt was getting
> pretty hot when those letters were sent to the cops,,,
>
> From Sunderland,,????????
>
> Yer rite,,,,What was the motive again
> reckless boasting,, ? I don't think so..
>
> It don't seem so reckless somehow when you cant catch im
> not even when you got the guys voice and handwriting..
>
> The letters and tape are well worth figuring
> out for yourselves,,

The letters and tape most certainly were from the killer..
But the guy who attacked the girls was not a Geordie...

If you try to understand,, then you have to ask,,
What was really going on with those letters and tape..

We were presented with a crazy madman Ripper killer..
By the Cops and the Press..

But I do not think it was so,, if you look back into the
changing events and circumstances..

Put yourself into the cops shoes,,
or the Rippers boots,, there was something else going on..

Imagine a guy who can sit down in March 78 and tell them,,
I will do and old one next in Manchester or Liverpool..

And then two months later he decides,, Oh well,,,
I'd better go out and keep my promise,,

Two months after making that promise he went out the
door one night with the intention of keeping it,, and he did..

The degree of pre-meditation involved is extraordinary
to kill a person not known to yourself just because you said you
would..

It is not an explosion of hate from a madman,
it was a considered act carried out by a man with a plan..

The coldness and calculation put the shits up the cops
and they also portrayed him as a slavering sexual killer beast,,
as they struggled to control the situation..

Far from it,,
they were particularly cold calculated acts
apparently,, committed by the man who wrote those letters..

It is well worth getting to know the facts for yourselves because
there is so much cods-wallop printed by those
who do not even try understand them..

...............................................................

[Special Care]

On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> And the photo-fits are reported as withdrawn,,
> while they chase after tha unknown Geordie for all they was worth...
>
> AND NEVER GOT HIM.
>
> That I suggest a solution never considered in thirty years
> fits rather well with the unsolved thirty year puzzle..
>
> Does it not..

------------------------------------

Yes. As you put it, "they turned Sunderland inside out" searching for
the owner of that voice. If it had been John Humble's voice, he would
have been identified then. Even if he was a bit of a loner, he had to
buy his booze somewhere and talk to employment advisors or disability
evaluators to 'earn' his dole money................and those
government officials love a bit of extra glory..........
-----------------------------------
Just as the cops would not have eliminated Peter Sutcliffe from the
enquiry about ten times without very good reasons, so also they would
not have saturated Yorkshire and Sunderland with images of the
handwriting and an edited recording of the voice without very good
reasons.
-----------------------------------
Most people can't cope with the terrifying implications of the Peter
Sutcliffe Myth,
so they just go along with it..........even "the greatest
investigative writer in the world."

Corruption on the financial level or the *non-job creation scheme*
level are one thing.
But this is not just corruption, it is conspiracy to commit mass
murder of women by the West Yorkshire Police and by Margaret
Thatcher.
When they created the Peter Sutcliffe Myth and left the Yorkshire
Ripper to go free and continue killing, the West Yorkshire Police and
Margaret Thatcher became accomplices of the Yorkshire Ripper.
In effect, the West Yorkshire Police and Margaret Thatcher are serial
killers of women by collusion with the Yorkshire Ripper.
Most people are unable to cope with the implications and conclusions.
Hence, the Peter Sutcliffe Myth, although obviously ridiculous, is
almost universally adhered to by otherwise honest and intelligent
people.

[Special Care]

======================

He wasn't completely terrified. The stutter and long pauses may have
been not habitual but just a product of a unique and bewildering
situation in which he found himself. The owner of that voice could
have been illiterate, and so the numerous pauses may be explained by
the Yorkshire Ripper pausing the tape and then speaking the next
sentence, then restarting the tape for the 'stooge' to repeat his
words..................
Why did nobody think of such possibilities at the time?

The owner of the voice might have been offered cash or booze as an
incentive, more so than being threatened.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­------------

[Rupert Bear]

I think there is a group of people somewhere who are thinking again,,
I hope some of them are from Yorkshire...

>
> Corruption on the financial level or the *non-job creation scheme*
> level are one thing.
> But this is not just corruption, it is conspiracy to commit mass
> murder of women by the West Yorkshire Police and by Margaret
> Thatcher.
> When they created the Peter Sutcliffe Myth and left the Yorkshire
> Ripper to go free and continue killing, the West Yorkshire Police and
> Margaret Thatcher became accomplices of the Yorkshire Ripper.
> In effect, the West Yorkshire Police and Margaret Thatcher are serial
> killers of women by collusion with the Yorkshire Ripper.
> Most people are unable to cope with the implications and conclusions.
> Hence, the Peter Sutcliffe Myth, although obviously ridiculous, is
> almost universally adhered to by otherwise honest and intelligent
> people.

Aw Heck,,,

You was making sense there till your last para...
You lost me wi your financial conspiracy,,,

Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,

Tut tut tut tut,,!
The very last word you should be using..

Thame superior minded folks cannot perceive
such a sullied picture..

They will always presume and justify
there presumptuousness and conceit
with high minded ideas of public best intersts
and suchlike...

They think of themselves like farmers in charge
of a flock,,
presume a higher intellect unto themselves...

While they fail to understand very much at all
about the case,, they presume to know
better and act accordingly..

Yea arnet they the clever ones,, thirty years later?

Its all lookin rather seedy now..

.......................................

Oh Yeah,, where is John Humble..

Bet he has a nice stable and feed by now..

Aw,,, aint that nice,, we saved one from himself......


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 28, 5:31 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2:35 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 1:20 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 17, 12:31 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The version of the tape that was broadcast all around Leeds and
> > > > Sunderland was edited, removing the pauses, and that version sounds
> > > > very menacing and self confident as a result, whereas the original
> > > > recording does, as you suggest, sound compatible with the voice a
> > > > frightened man with a knife held to his throat and being ordered to
> > > > read.

...........................................................

>
> > One can easily imagine fear and confusion,,and a lack of proper
> > inflection
> > in the message,, read by a man who was not connected in any way..
> > Who may not have been terrified completely out of wits,, just enough
> > to get him to read....
>
> ======================
>
> He wasn't completely terrified. The stutter and long pauses may have
> been not habitual but just a product of a unique and bewildering
> situation in which he found himself. The owner of that voice could
> have been illiterate, and so the numerous pauses may be explained by
> the Yorkshire Ripper pausing the tape and then speaking the next
> sentence, then restarting the tape for the 'stooge' to repeat his
> words..................
> Why did nobody think of such possibilities at the time?
>
> The owner of the voice might have been offered cash or booze as an
> incentive, more so than being threatened.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­------------

Maybe,,
but all you gotta do is put the rippers boots on and imagine the
easiest way to achieve the result required,,
A wee guy in the pub,, reading the paper,,perhaps..
Talk to him nicely and he comes along..

They would want someone literate enough to read i think,,
they would be prepared with a carefully considered thing
written down and checked beforehand for certain
most likely it was just a guy
from Southwick or Castletown they could get hold of..
He sounds reasonably articulate to me,,
it is his inflections of speech that are absent,,
just as they would be if he was
reading another persons message..

And it would not surprise me in the least to discover
his voice was recognised by relatives or a friend..

But what could they have done,, cept sound silly
accusing a dead relative or friend.

Naw they probably wont have been able to believe it
themselves,,and dismissed their suspicions..


.................................................................................

[Special Care]

On Nov 28, 6:05 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 5:18 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
> Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
> Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
> Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
>
> Tut tut tut tut,,!
> The very last word you should be using..

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

There's big money in it, though.
Do you know David Icke is enjoying great financial success and glory
now?
It's just an avoidance. A hobby. Entertainment.
David Icke's 'seminars' are a bit like a wrestling show.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> Oh Yeah,, where is John Humble..
>
> Bet he has a nice stable and feed by now..
>

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
But no booze. Total misery. He's drugged up to the cranium and doesn't
know what day it is, like Sutcliffe.

[Rupert Bear]

On Nov 29, 3:04 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 6:05 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> On Nov 28, 5:18 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
> > Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
> > Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
> > Conspiracy,,Conspiracy,,
>
> > Tut tut tut tut,,!
> > The very last word you should be using..
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There's big money in it, though.
> Do you know David Icke is enjoying great financial success and glory
> now?
> It's just an avoidance. A hobby. Entertainment.
> David Icke's 'seminars' are a bit like a wrestling show.

Indeed,,, Icke and the Likes...
Infest the net with so many dodgy conspiracy theories..
They are the favoured first line of defence for the muckslinger
debunkers...
Draw associations with five guy,, or that whack job who reckons
Norwich was another Police,,,,Oo' Oo', wait,, I just remembered ,,
I found a new word for that a little while ago,, din I...
COLLABORATION,, COLLABORATOR,,,,,
or even a,, COLLABORATIVE,, ...

Yer thas what them high-minded folks wot swindles
an leads honest trusting folks away from the truth
get up too innit...

They form COLLABORATIVES,, and circles of
of mutual self approval,, while they keep the
poor lesserlings of the world safe from nightmares..

No doubt..
They elevate themselves and feel justified in what they do
an get promoted,, yea co-operating with the establishment
or governance hierarchy is the pathway to success..

You made enough reference to government stooge in your time..
You know what I am on about...

What is the latest twist,, they all freemasons now,,ha ha..

Im sure some folks is a wising up to the game...

Example ,,

I exchanged mail with the Maccasn boy..
Very soon he threw Norwich in my face,,
see what tha clown is up to now....

Norwich was self inflicted foot-shooting
from the Irish Camp...
I suppose the job was done,, and
time to stop upsetting the flock...

One might consider that the state encourages the
COLLABORATIVES,, jus love thon word...I do..

I dont quite have the same pointy poison associations..

I exchanged a few mail wi Brannen,,
(he sent me the good copy of the letters)
At one point he misunderstood my assertions,,
and got all uppity,, thinking I had been using
tha nasty nasty C word,,,..
Yeah,, I could tell they do not see things tha way
from their side of the fence...

Well,, all I got to say is there been too
many hooray-henrys,, an facless suits
squinting through a fog of port an lemon,
and pink fluffy clouds,,,secretly wallowing...!

IN THE COLLABORATORS MESS..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHixChYgGRI


...........................................................

[Rupert Bear]

Im sure there will have been many other possible ways of achieving
the result,,, pausing and telling the guy what to say next may help
delay his moment of realisation..

You sum it up nicely,,
the guy would have found himself in a unique and bewildering
situation,,
it is an entirely plausible solution to the puzzle...
When you listen again,, a frightened and confused man sounds about
rite to me,,
persuaded to read or repeat,, matters he could not possibly comprehend
or understand..

Its always seemed like an obvious line of thought to follow,,
specially as they were unable to locate that man...

But for some reason it never did happen,,
and there is particularly novel or clever about me,,
others should have been able to think this way,,
but for unknown reasons,, it never occurred..

The reasons why the dead man talking scenario was never considered
by others may be complex,, one finds oneself having to double guess
all the time,, I find it a difficult path to follow....
Perhaps folks have all been collaborating in good faith
with another understanding of matters that are not widely known...
Something to do with the persistence of various rumours of two
confuses the issues greatly..

So I suggest another way to riddle the puzzle...

If for one moment,, you accept the dead man talking scenario,,
one should see a the conflicts of logic staring to crumble,,
All of the arguments against the letters and tape
being genuine from the killer/s melt away like snowflakes
when a bit of realistic scrutiny is applied...

I'm no whizz kid,, im certain others can see this too....

To anyone still reading this conversation,, then I hope
they will see how the pieces of puzzle begin to fall in place
and a picture different from the one expected begins to appear..

One where the pieces all start clicking together and make sense
can be seen if you re-consider the letters and tape as genuine from
the killer..

Wi the Rippers boots take an auld lang syne throughit all again..

A Killer-s, somewhat juvenile,, conceived a remake of the original
unsolved 1888 affair,,Mushroomed out of all imagining,,,
and the cops started getting tricksy wi him..

Blondie chummy was seen and his picture was all over the papers,,
his car was also described..
Living an apparently normal life somewhere
this could not help but cause concern of capture..
For him,,,(and his partner from somewhere south on Manchester in my
senario)...

Yea,, go back to early 77 wi that in mind
and spin the wheel again....

And see that girls were killed for no other reason
than to fulfil predictions in his letters from Sunderland...


Ask..
What did the letters set out to achieve
Did they succeed first time..
When did they achieve there goals,,..
Etc Etc,, you think some of your own..

Clearly they succeeded in convincing cops they
killer/s was from Sunderland..
An lead cops to there doom in Sunderland..

And always it was an obvious consideration
that the killer might want to trick them in some way...

The girls who survived had not spoken to a Geordie
and yet the cops still chased after tha
Wearside-man for all they was worth..

Well I think they underestimated their quarry,,
the show off boaster was easy man to hate and hunt,,
but he was no silly-billy,, they never got him/them..

Course you can imagine the killer/s was watching the press
speculation every time another girl was killed..
New ripper kill nuther man on the loose,, and
to top it all off they stuck a false one on his count..
(Yvonne Pearson)..
They said in the press they couldin catch him
cos they girls was only prostitutes an nobody cared...

Well Yorkie boy woudin take to kindly to their suggestion,,
he din get caught cos they were pros,,
He/they was cleverer than them,,that was why...

Letters followed up by deaths manipulated the cops,,
the media frenzy was the Rippers other hammer.
An the cops got all secretive an touchy...

All they killer/s issa gotta do is read the sign and use their mind/
s..
Cops are not gonna fall for the Sunderland false trail
cos they have witnesses what survived to tell the tail,,
he was not a Sunderland man,, the girls knew that...
The only way cops would fall for that was
iffen they thought there was another..

Halifax made them announce the letters and
then the tape was sent when they was committed..

And then,, Bradford,, the Gran finale,,, under their noses..

Someone thinking and planning,, totally committed to
their quest could easily think this through,, in the long gap
after Ve Millward,,..
They had his handwritting and kept his Ripper re-creation secret..
You can bet a lot of thinking went on...
They had to be led away...To there doom In Sunderland..

I tell you it aint so hard to go into this dark world
wearing the rippers boots...

All they had to do to make the Sunderland
scam work was make em think there was two..

And i think this happened in Bradford,,, the killing
proved the prediction...

And about this night the cops don't say what people saw,,
the papers don't say what the cops found out...
I reckon they found something and like the clever cops they
was they though they was gonna outsmart the Ripper/s and
catchem,,
when all the time they was being left things they were meant to find..
They kept those findings secret like they was collaborating wi the
Ripper..
Fooled into thinking they struck lucky,, that the Ripper had a pal..

There has been something powerful persistent over the years,,
about two and two blood types,,
Involved in some way but never clearly defined..

And something that stopped them from considering
the dead man scenario..
Evidence of two that was never revealed is my belief,,
something found in Bradford,, and footprints in Halifax..

Re two blood types,,,
go for a walk round the pubs and clubs any Saturday morning
and you could find a pool of blood,, or perhaps even
the dead Sunderland man,, maybe...
I don't know if in late seventies they could tell femme from male
blood..
I would like to know the answer to that one myself...

The way I see it is that the couple,,,
who were seen in Halifax
may well have wished to counter this
by leaving evidence of two men next time..

Could be done im sure iffen you was motivated,,
and that couple would have been more than able
to dream up a little treat for the cops,, im sure..

Beatties throw away remark is of
interest when you get familiar with the
idea of collaborating authors...
"about which no clues were found"
acctually he suggest two weapons,, oval and triangular,,
and it is remarked the killer spent at least half an hour at the
scene,,??
Wonder why so long.. I do..

http://tinyurl.com/c9u6y9d

In fact the album might be worth another look through
if any of you issa thinking for yourselves again...

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Preston%20Links%20and%20other%20Forensics%20and%20Logics/

Some other evidence of two could have been contrived..
when you work through the time line of events and reconstruct
it all again,,
Consider a deliberate intention to mislead the cops and
never get caught,,
all evidence that might have been deliberately left by the killer/s
should be re-considered,, re-evaluated..

A final observation with that in mind is that all information relating
to the
Manchester and Preston murders which led the cops back to Ripper
central
and then on to their doom in Sunderland,,,fiver,, letters,, tape,,
could have been left deliberately contrived by the killer/s
i say came from the opposite direction the trail cops followed..

It is apparent to me that the Ripper/s succeeded in the mission
to avoid capture.. just like the 1888 carry on..

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[Rupert Bear]

> It is an entirely plausible solution to the puzzle in my view,, I'm glad you agree...

> When you listen again,, a frightened and confused man sounds about

> rite to,,
> persuaded to read or repeat,, matters he could not easily comprehend
> or understand..
>
> Its has always seemed like an obvious line of reasoning to follow,,
> specially when you consider that they were unable to locate that man...
That they were hunting a serial killer who had already killed to
convince
them that his letters from Sunderland were genuine is clear..
So why not follow that thought process to the next logical step,,
that he may also have killed to convince them he was a Wearside man,,
is a logical next thought,, to consider,,
Es specially in view of the fact that the girs said he was not a
Geordie...

Anyway,, why it was not considered gets complicated...

But there is no reason why folks should not follow this train of
thought
now... Is there,,..

I suggest having a really good look at the envelope the tape arrived
in,,
because when you do reconsider with "dead man talking"...
It does also appear to be consistent with this theory...

Links here..

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/?action=view&current=DecidedlyDodgy.jpg

http://s867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/rupert-bear-2010/Offbeam%20Images/?action=view&current=TheHandwitingdoesnotallmatch.mp4

Something strange was going on when that envelope the tape arrived in
was addressed..
It is entirely consistent with a couple presenting a voice they wished
the cops to chase,
while disguising and withholding their as much as possible....

The unspoken message says,,
chase the voice not me/us....

Have a look and a see for yourselves...
Its another one of those things that fall
nicely into place when you spin the wheel again...

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[Special Care]

Yeah well you said it yourself:
they could have put Mickey Mouse up on the stand and the entire
population of Yorkshire and England would have applauded the West
Yorkshire Police for convicting Mickey Mouse as the Yorkshire Ripper,
so desperate were they to make the problem go away, or to be imagined
to go away.

[Rupert Bear]

On Oct 20, 3:14 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "GEORGE IS DELIGHTED AS WELL....?"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zcxudS-hrc

What a swizz,,,

Clicked on a Yorkshire Ripper link and found Gerry Adams an Patrick
Hackett... Duh....

These three posts are part of a genuine Ripper conversation though
rather oddly,, not shown here...

Try this link..

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.local.yorkshire/browse_frm/thread/16f44fbf83551efe/888345930745c08c?hl=en&lnk=raot#888345930745c08c


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[Special Care]

On Dec 3, 10:53 pm, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 3:14 pm, Special Care <special.car...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What a swizz,,,
>
> Clicked on a Yorkshire Ripper link and found Gerry Adams an Patrick
> Hackett... Duh....

=============================

Well, some things are important and some are not.
The subjects got mixed together becasue the case of Patrick Hackett
getting his arm and leg chopped off by the doc despite the fact that
he was able to run quite some distance before the cops got to
him......connects with your medical malpractice case...........
The mixing of subjects doesn't really matter, but sometimes it is
important to speak the truth in a public place before the end comes
(if it comes in our lifetime,
"The Return of Mary's Arse"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/browse_thread/thread/a0db562754a97a1f/b495ee45901e33ec?hl=en&q=the+return+of+mary%27s+arse
).

[Special Care]

On Nov 30, 7:10 am, Rupert Bear <nutherpercept...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
..............

> Something strange was going on when that envelope the tape arrived in
> was addressed..
> It is entirely consistent with a couple presenting a voice they wished
> the cops to chase,
> while disguising and withholding their as much as possible....
>
> The unspoken message says,,
> chase the voice not me/us....
>

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ROUND UP THE USUAL SUSPECTS

You've caused a stir and caused 'the usual supects' to take notice of
you by giving an intelligent evaluation of the Yorkshire Ripper case
independently of the 'Irish Bible,' as you call it.
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Richard McCann fills me with loathing. How could any man make money
out of that....feeding off your mother's death as a parasite, and
fusing that with feeding off the fake therapy / positive thinking
business.....?

Richard McCann should have got a job digging holes in the road, and
then we would have respected him.
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"I am shocked and horrified to learn that gambling is taking place in
this establishment!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME&feature=related