"Be careful Paul...."
Robert Henderson
than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
How do we interpret this? It is obviously a warning from the Queen, but
of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is she
frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves? Is she
acting under orders from someone else?
Then there is the distinctly odd "There are powers at work in this
country about which we have no knowledge." Is the "we" the royal "we"
or merely the ordinary pronoun including the Queen and Burrell? Or could
it be a general "we" including the populace at large?
And what or who are the "powers" whom the Queen claims not to know
about? The security forces? The Government? Private individuals who know
too much? Foreign powers? The NWO?
As this story unravels it gets murkier and murkier. I wonder if it will
be the end of the monarchy in the long run? RH
--
Robert Henderson
phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Steve Walker
> "Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my
> family than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this
> country about which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting
> his meeting with the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
> How do we interpret this? It is obviously a warning from the Queen,
> but of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is
> she frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves?
> Is she acting under orders from someone else?
Sorry, but I simply don't believe Brenda would come out with such a
statement.
The Todal
"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eDPJ6fAV...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> "Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
> than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
> which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
> the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
> How do we interpret this?
We interpret it by saying that it is such an inherently implausible
conversation that it is really an outrage that the Queen did not give
evidence about the conversation and the jury was not given the opportunity
to weigh the evidence and give a verdict.
Blair seems to think that the system is perfectly okay, and that no changes
are necessary. So that means that whenever the Queen is involved, justice
cannot be done. Is she worth it? I mean, really? When will we ever have a
Labour government with the courage to remove the Queen as head of state? Is
it perhaps an issue that the Tories could usefully embrace?
Paris
news:eDPJ6fAV...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> As this story unravels it gets murkier and murkier. I wonder if it will
> be the end of the monarchy in the long run? RH
No.. The monarchy are a valuable straw man...
--
Paris. Not the City
the idiot
"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eDPJ6fAV...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
> which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
> the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
> How do we interpret this? It is obviously a warning from the Queen, but
> of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is she
> frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves? Is she
> acting under orders from someone else?
>
> Then there is the distinctly odd "There are powers at work in this
> country about which we have no knowledge." Is the "we" the royal "we"
> or merely the ordinary pronoun including the Queen and Burrell? Or could
> it be a general "we" including the populace at large?
>
> And what or who are the "powers" whom the Queen claims not to know
> about? The security forces? The Government? Private individuals who know
> too much? Foreign powers? The NWO?
>
> As this story unravels it gets murkier and murkier. I wonder if it will
> be the end of the monarchy in the long run? RH
i suppose she could be referring to those that had diana killed, but then
again if she has no knowledge of them how does she know they are up to
something?
MP
> which we have no knowledge
The Illuminati !!!!
(PS: Don't feed the conspiracy theorists!)
peter
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> stated: -
>"Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
>than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
>which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
>the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
>How do we interpret this? It is obviously a warning from the Queen, but
>of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is she
>frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves? Is she
>acting under orders from someone else?
she is frightened herself -
>
>Then there is the distinctly odd "There are powers at work in this
>country about which we have no knowledge." Is the "we" the royal "we"
>or merely the ordinary pronoun including the Queen and Burrell? Or could
>it be a general "we" including the populace at large?
>
>And what or who are the "powers" whom the Queen claims not to know
>about? The security forces? The Government? Private individuals who know
>too much? Foreign powers? The NWO?
>
>As this story unravels it gets murkier and murkier. I wonder if it will
>be the end of the monarchy in the long run? RH
--
peter
peter
Here is something that seems to me could be true or, if not true, then
very near the truth on many points.
If this is too much to accept -- because of your own limitations to
absorb really bad news or your doubt of its truthfulness -- than
remember -- the Pentagon small-plane attack evidence is evidence
sufficient to convict most of the leadership discussed here anyway,
wether they are Satanists etc. or not.
============
Now for the article:
----- Original Message -----
From: Milo
To: Recipient List Suppressed
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:22 PM
Subject: [apfn-1] Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:00 PM
Heavy information on the Illuminati here. This is much like what Fritz
Springmeyer, Cisco Wheeler, and others have reported.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sallie8001
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:09 AM
This is a note I wrote to the author of the article below, Dr. Henry
Makow Ph. D. It is those in the CFR who participate in the Bohemian
Grove, and Pagan/Satanic worship of Moloch and other deities. They are
Heads of states (domestic and foreign), Congressmen, Government,
Military, Media, Churches/Religion, heads of multi-national
corporations, with their minions in highest decision and policy making
positions. Thousands of children are stolen and used as human
sacrifices, 3500 children are missing in Florida right now -- they can
not be found anywhere. "The Franklin Cover-UP" (available on Amazon) was
written by former NE State Senator John D. Camp, who was investigating
the theft of taken for MK Ultra programs, and Satanic cults, and found
all the facts to be true. Anyone who is truly a patriot would not
participate in any organization supporting Gaia, Paganism, and the
Satanist who promote a military takeover, which is the NWO plan by many
within our own government. First, they must confiscate the guns, and
that's all we have been hearing about since Sniper, Sniper, Sniper,
which I believe was a MK Ultra, and have all of the signs of a CIA black
op -- multi-tasking again. They do have a Red and Blue lists, Prisoner
cars, and Gulags (some with ovens) awaiting the dissidents.
Unfortunately, some will not be able to see photos due to your mail
program. In addition of the Satanic signal of Prince William, in Dr.
Makow's article, there is one of Bush and Clinton. This is the way the
Illuminists greet each other. Yes it is all about money, greed, control,
but also religion. We must fall so that the anti-Christ/Satan can take
over, installed by the UN and their "One World Religion." Revelations is
being proven every day with wars and rumors of war, earthquakes,
plagues.
The Constitution was abrogated with the UNREAD (Un)-Patriot Act,
prepared at least 2 yrs. prior to 9-11. With the next major staged
event, we will have martial law and the Constitution will be suspended,
as well as Posse Comitatus.
It could happen as early as tomorrow in Chicago, according to a radio
host who should know -- I just hope he's wrong. "The world is a
dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but
because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert
Einstein
bcc: friends PS: Alexandra Robbins who wrote "Secrets of the Tomb" White
House 'Bonesman' Leads Nation Into the Dark http://www.truthout.org/docs
_02/11.05A.robbins.bones.htm Exposed by MSNBC: 'Secrets of the Tomb'
http://www.msnbc.com/news/802773.asp
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Dr. Makow,
Svali is telling the truth.
Most people do not want you to shake their paradigm, as long as the have
their beer and football, they're happy, and wish to remain in denial.
There is also a sense of arrogance and superiority among the better
educated, that they can't be told anything. They have the self concept
of being well informed because they watch the news and/or read the
paper. It may just bruise some egos, and insult their self perception
and intelligence, if they thought they had been scammed by mainstream,
which is controlled. Psychiatrists call it cognitive dissonance: a state
of psychological conflict or anxiety resulting from a contradiction
between a person's simultaneously held beliefs or attitudes. Others
think to disagree with the government is unpatriotic -- "Group
mentality"
I have worked with emotionally/behaviorally challenged and psychotic
children who were victims of Satanic cults, and mind control. Some were
rescued, others managed to get away from their captors. Some of the
ritual abuse they experienced can not even be put in print, and many may
not believe me anyway?
One boy forced to witness a human sacrifice by his father and shall be
forever schizophrenic (a lifelong diagnosis), according to the
psychiatrist. He presented catatonic at the hospital, was still aphasic
when he arrived to our facility. About a month later he was able to
communicate, and his speech continued to improve to the point he was
able to tell the doctor what happened after several weeks of therapy and
medication which he will be on the rest of his life.
Many suffer from conduct disorders, and/or disassociative disorders
becoming the predators in our society who perpetrate the same abuse to
their victims as done to them, viewing it as normal behavior with a
total absence of conscience. They either go through the revolving doors
of prison, or go on to bigger things like working for the FBI/CIA as
mind control assets.
All is not right with the NWO, some people who have seen what is
happening are dropping out -- they are being unraveled. The bottom line
is that it a war between the - Rockefellers CFR (American Illuminati) vs
The Rothschilds (European Illuminati) Whoever wins the struggle will
determine not if, but when we go to war with Iraq. The CIA works for the
CFR, and MI6, FSB, KGB in Europe.
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Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy By Henry Makow Ph. D.
October 14, 2002
If you detect the devil's hand in current events, you may be closer to
the truth than you think.
A woman who was raised in the Illuminati cult describes a powerful
secret organization comprising one per cent of the U. S. population that
has infiltrated all social institutions and is covertly preparing a
military takeover. Her revelations cast the "war on terror" and
"homeland security" in their true light.
"Svali" is the pseudonym of the woman, age 45, who was a mind
"programmer" for the cult until 1996. She was the sixth head trainer in
the San Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to her. She has
risked her life to warn humanity of the Illuminati's covert power and
agenda.
She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most
powerful people in the world. It is largely homosexual and pedophile,
practices animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove"
with the CIA and Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken
at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls the world traffic
in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. It may be the hand behind
political assassination, and "terrorism," including Sept. 11, the
Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast.
It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level;
education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in
Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts,
Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people
are not happy.
Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer
taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and
violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual
depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his
Administration are Illuminists and much of the world "elite" is engaged
in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.
In March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly column for survivors of
Illuminati ritual abuse at Suite101. com. In December 2000, H. J.
Springer, the editor of CentrExNews, com contacted Svali and conducted
an extended 18-part interview with her by email, which is reproduced on
line and is copyrighted.
"I am convinced she is the real McCoy," Springer wrote to me. "I have
personally relayed numerous email messages to her from other members -
ritually abused, brainwashed, raped, sexually abused people & you name
it-- some of them confirming to me her story. So I have absolutely no
doubt that Svali has been part of the Illuminati since childhood."
I also trust Svali's testimony because it confirms my intuition and
intensive research. Everything fits: from the dead hand that seems to
suppress humanity to why Clinton gave secret technology to the Chinese,
to persistent reports of concentration camps in the US. It explains why
people I know behave in a conspiratorial way. I thank Svali for giving
me a frightening but incredible key to understanding the world.
A friend urged me to beware of a hoax and offered to help confirm
Svali's personal story. I accepted. I invite you to read her entire
testimony and make up your own mind. Read "Part One" to "Part 18" first,
starting at the middle of the list and working up.
With their permission, here are some highlights of Svali's
correspondence with CentrExnews. com's H. J. Springer. I have also
included material from her article "Are the Illuminati Taking Over the
World?"
Pervasive Presence
Svali: "The Illuminati are present in every major metropolitan centre in
the United States. The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through
its: banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking
boards? You'd be surprised) Local government: guess how many get elected
to local city councils? Law: children are encouraged to go to law school
and medical school. Media: others are encouraged to go to journalism
school, and members help fund local papers.
Beliefs
Svali: "The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith known
as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers
that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon,
Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken what they consider the
"best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together
into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level
worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as
"Isis and Osiris" and "Set".... I do know that these people teach and
practice evil."
Weishaupt
Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a
figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back
to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the
early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go
fer", who did their bidding."
Military Takeover
Svali: "Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centres" or
power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up
into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within
it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote,
isolated areas or on large private estates.
These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational
Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control,
use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the
Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the
governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse.
These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following
ways:
The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make
the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the
manoeuvring of the great banks and financial institutions of the world,
through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will
be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt,
etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people
will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause
generalized financial panic, which will occur simultaneously worldwide,
as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through
finances.
Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for
all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a
person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and
can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would
invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be
the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless (remember after
the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was
after the collapse).
Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the
government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will
have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and
the government will justify its move as being necessary to control
panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under
their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to
implement this new state of affairs. ... Military bases will be set up,
in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In
the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each
locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are
accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert
hierarchy.
About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of
the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it,
or a victim of Mind Control (and therefore considered useable). While
this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly
trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and
behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary
groups."
Leadership
Svali: "The national council [consists of] influential bankers with OLD
money such as: The Rockefellers, the Mellon family, the Carnegie family,
the Rothschild family etc. I know I shouldn't name names, but I will.
The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as a prototype of the one
that will rule when the NWO comes into being. It meets on a regular
basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve
difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the
financial world, OLD banking money. The Rothschild family in England,
and in France, have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty
has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England
and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US
holds a seat.
This is one reason that the Illuminati have been pretty "untouchable"
over the years. The ruling members are very, very, very wealthy and
powerful. I hope this information is helpful. How do I know this? I was
on a local leadership council (a head trainer), but I talked to those on
regional. Also, every Illuminati child is taught who their "leaders"
are, and told to take an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order
to come"."
Royalty
Svali: "The Illuminati leadership state that they are descended from
royal bloodlines, as well as unbroken occult heritage.
See, there were two definitions of "royalty" used. Open royalty that is
currently seen now, and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and extreme
occult power. Sometimes the two were concurrent, such as with the Prince
of Wales.
I never thought of which country/line held the most power, since I was
just a peon busily doing my job. But my understanding was: The
Hanoverian / Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the Bruderheist.
They are considered one of the strongest lines for occult as well. The
British line is just under them, with the royal family. Definitely, they
rule the UK branch under the Rothschilds in the occult realm, even
though parliament rules the country openly.
In France, again, descendants of the royal families are also in power in
the occult realm, but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over all of
them."
Rank of the US
Svali: "The U. S. is considered lower, and younger, than the European
branches. .Germany, France, and the UK form a triumvirate that rules in
the European cult. The USSR is considered important, and has the
strongest military groups. The USSR has been promised fourth position in
the New World Order, BEFORE the role the U. S. would have, because the
USSR has been more helpful and cooperative over the years with
furthering the agenda.
The descendants of the former ruling families there are also involved in
the occult leadership, along with the newer ones. There is no Marxism in
the cult. China will be ranked after the USSR, then the U. S. But a lot
of the current U. S. leadership will be in Europe when the change
occurs, and many have homes there. They will be "changing nationalities"
overnight, as it were. This is the little that I do remember. Wish I had
been a better student of this stuff, but I was too busy trying to stay
alive when I was in it.
Russia will be the military base and powerhouse of the group, since
their military commanders (Illuminist) are considered the best in the
world, and very, very disciplined. China, because of its roots in
oriental occultism, and its large population, will also be considered a
higher power than the US. But again, the real power will reside in
Europe, according to what I was taught when part of the group.
The United Nations
Svali: "The UN was created early in this century in order to help
overcome one of the biggest barriers to a one-world government ... That
barrier is the one of nationalism, or pride in one's country. This is
why it was NOT a popular concept when first introduced, it took years of
country bashing in the media and the destruction of any sense of
national pride by a (not so subtle) media campaign over the years.
The UN is a preparation, but it is not the real power in the world, and
will be relatively unimportant when the NWO comes into being. The real
councils will then step forward. But as a means of getting the general
public to accept the idea of a "global community" and the "one world
community" the UN is a stepping stone in their working towards the NWO."
Israel
Svali: "The conflict in the Middle East is only to the advantage of the
Illuminists. They HATE Israel, and hope one day to see it destroyed, and
are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when
it takes over is that they will prevent war in the Middle East, and this
will be greeted with joy by many.
At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to BOTH
sides to keep the conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous people.
They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in
the name of promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and this state and
other Arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to
Israel, for the same reason.
These people love the game of chess, and see warfare between nations as
creating an order out of chaos. The USSR is going to get stronger again.
It has too strong a military both openly, and covertly (ALL Illuminati
military trainers have visited Russia to learn from them) to sit quietly
and quiesciently to the side. In the NWO, they will be stronger than
us."
Is the Illuminati a JEWISH conspiracy?
Svali: "Absolutely not. In fact, Hitler and his people (especially
Himmler and Goebbels) were top Illuminists. The Illuminati are racist in
the extreme, and as a child, I was forced to play "concentration camp"
both on my farm in Virginia, and also in Europe in isolated camps in
Germany.
The Jews historically fought against the occult (see Deuteronomy and the
Old Testament for how God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse the
land of the occult groups that were operating there, such as those who
worshipped Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and Babylonian gods.
(from an email to Henry Makow) Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish
people in this group. For instance, the Rothschild family literally runs
the financial empire in Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a
well-known Jewish family. I have also known people whose parents were
Jewish diamond merchants in the group, and at every level. But to rise
to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish person at night would be forced to
renounce their faith, and to give their first allegiance to Lucifer and
the beliefs of the Illuminati. In return for this betrayal, they believe
that power (financial) and rewards come; and in one sense they do, but
at too high a price (losing their eternal soul).
The nazi/concentration camp mentality is very strong, though, and I was
told that Hitler, Himmler, Goebel, and others were high-ranking German
members of the group (Himmler was higher than the other two), and
Mengele their paid puppet as well, who later worked as a high trainer of
the American branch between his periods of hiding in South America. They
honestly believed that they were acting as agents of their 'gods' to
exterminate the Jewish race, and I am so, so sorry that this group has
enacted so many horrors on the earth (and so, so glad that I left it).
I hope this helps you. I have always wondered this, though, why some of
the highest ranking financial families in the group (baron Rothschild of
France is one of the 13 European lords, or "kings" that run the group in
Europe, and sits on the World Council) are Jewish, yet the group
espouses hatred of their own race."
ARE THEY RACIST?
Svali: "Lots of Illuminists have Fourth Reich programming inside. The
Illuminati are racist, and have a very "Aryan" outlook. They believe
strongly in the rule of the "pure" and "intelligent" by their
definitions, and in their ceremonies, there will occasionally be
minorities killed in ceremonies.
They are trying to breed a "genetically superior" race to rule, with
their children and descendants. They are also followers of Plato's
Republic, and believe that they will be the ones to usher in this
"Utopian" rule with the NWO in their opinion. In their Utopia, the
intelligentsia will rule, and the sheep like masses will follow their
leaders (that is their view of the world; that the occult leaders are
"enlightened' and intelligent, while the average person is a "sheep" to
be led by the nose)."
FREEMASONRY
Svali: "The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in glove. I don't
care if this steps on any toes, it's a fact. The Masonic temple at
Alexandria, Virginia
(the city itself was named after Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of
Illuminati activity) is a centre in the Washington, DC area for
Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was taken there at intervals for
testing, to step up a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies. The
leaders in this Masonic group were also Illuminists.
This has been true of every large city I have lived in. The top
Freemasons were also top Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both
high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh, Pa. (president of the
Eastern Star and 33rd degree Mason) and they both were also leaders in
the Illuminati in that area.
Are all Masons Illuminati? No, especially at the lower levels, I believe
they know nothing of the practices that occur in the middle of the night
in the larger temples. Many are probably fine businessmen and
Christians. But I have never known a 32 degree or above who wasn't
Illuminati, and the group helped create Freemasonry as a "front" for
their activities."
CIA FBI are all infiltrated. So are Mormons etc.
Svali: "Many of the administrators and directors at the FBI are also
Illuminists. The CIA helped bring over German scientists after WWII.
Many of these were also Illuminati leaders in their own country, and
they were welcomed with open arms by the U. S. group. They also
funnelled all information they were learning to the Illuminati.
The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership
in the 1950s.
The Cold War
Svali:"Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism was funded by the
Illuminati, and espoused as a counterbalance to capitalism. The
Illluminati believe strongly in balancing opposing forces, in the pull
between opposites. They see history as a complex chess game, and they
will fund one side, then another, while ultimately out of the chaos and
division ..., they are laughing because they are ultimately beyond
political parties. A top western financier will secretly meet with an
eastern or Russian "adversary" during those years, and have a good laugh
at how the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing here what I was
taught, and also observed.
They are truly an international group, and the group's agenda supersedes
any nationalistic feelings. There is also a lot of trading back and
forth of members in these groups. A Russian trainer might come to the US
for awhile, complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa."
Assassin Training
Svali: "Here is how it is done (how it was done to me):
[1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with
electrodes attached. Shock the child severely. [2] Take the child out,
and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's
neck. The child will cry and refuse. [3] Put the child into the cage,
and shock them until they are dazed and cannot scream any more. [4] Take
the child out, and tell them again to wring the kitten's neck. This time
the child will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of the torture.
The child will then go into the corner and vomit afterwards, while the
adult praises them for "doing such a good job".
This is the first step. The animals get bigger over time, as the child
gets older. They will be forced to kill an infant at some point, either
a set up or VR, or in reality. They will be taught by age 9 to put
together a gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command. They will
then practice on realistic manikins. They will then practice on animals.
They will then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They will be highly
praised if they do well, and tortured if they don't comply.
The older the child or teen, the more advanced the training. By age 15,
most children will also be forced to do hand to hand combat in front of
spectators
(high people who come to watch the "games" much as the ancient
gladiators performed). These matches are rarely done to the death,
usually until one child goes down. They use every type of weapon
imaginable, and learn to fight for their lives. If a child loses a
fight, they are heavily punished by their trainer, who loses "face". If
they win, they are again praised for being "strong' and adept with
weapons. By the time they are 21, they are well trained combat/killing
machines with command codes to kill and they have been tested over and
over to prove that they WILL obey on command. This is how children in
the German Illuminati are brought up, I went through it myself."
Trust in Family
Svali: "They tell their children as they are torturing them, "I am doing
this because I love you." To them, the greatest love is to make a child
strong, and fit to lead or to move higher in the group, by whatever
means it takes.
If a leader sees a child, and wants it as a prostitute, the loving
parents will give it away, happy that their child will rise in status.
Also, again, they view betrayal as the greatest good. They will do set
up after set up to teach their children to never openly trust others.
I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when
I was betrayed or wounded, "And such is the heart of man." Those doing
this to me thought they were teaching me something of value, that would
help me. And because of the vicious and political nature of the group,
in one sense they were right; the naive get stepped on and wounded. I
have known parents who tried to spare their children some of this out of
love, but often they were overruled by other family members, who viewed
these parents as "weak" and "unfit" to teach their child."
Morale
Svali: "Most of them are wounded, abused victims, who don't realize that
it is possible to leave the group. There is a lot of discontent in the
ranks, and there would be a mass exodus if the members believed it were
really possible to get out (and live). Many of the trainers I knew (I
know, wicked, torturing pedophiles) were NOT happy with what they did.
They would whisper quietly, or give a look, to show that they disagreed
with what they had to do. They would resignedly do their jobs, in the
hope of advancement.
Know what one of the biggest carrots offered to those who advance up in
the group is? That you don't have to hurt people anymore, and that you
can't be abused (it's true: only those higher than you in the group can
abuse you, so everyone wants to move up, where the pool of candidates
becomes smaller). Of course, people can choose to abuse anyone beneath
them, and that motivates.
The Illuminati are a very political and back stabbing group, a "dog eat
dog" mentality; everyone wants to move up. These are NOT nice people and
they use and manipulate others viciously. They cut their eyeteeth on
status, power, and money.
They never openly disclose their agenda, or their cult activities, as
often they are amnesic to them. These are well-respected, "Christian"
appearing business leaders in the community. The image in the community
is all-important to an Illuminist; they will do anything to maintain a
normal, respected facade, and DESPISE exposure. ....
None of the Illuminists that I have known, had unkind, or evil
appearing, persona in their daytime lives, although some were
dysfunctional, such as being alcoholics. The dissociation that drives
the Illuminists is their greatest cover ... Many, if not most, of these
people are completely unaware of the great evil that they are involved
in, during the night."
TV
Also, remember those studies that stated that "TV violence doesn't
affect children's behaviour" years ago? Guess who funded them? They are
a bunch of bullcrud. What a person watches DOES influence them, and this
is well known by the behaviourists in the group. In fact, they know that
TV is a tool that they purposely use to influence "the masses". It
cannot create a total personality change in the average citizen, but it
can desensitize us increasingly to violence, pornography and the occult,
and influence the perceptions of young children.
Rock Music
I believe that Brittany Spears, Eminem, and others are being used by
them to sing lyrics they like (ever notice that he wears a Neo-Nazi look
and sings hate lyrics? This is NOT by chance). In fact, many of the top
pop singers come from an internship with the "Mickey Mouse club" (yep,
good old Walt the Illuminist's Empire) and I believe they are offered
stardom in exchange for allegiance or mind control.
How many lyrics advocate suicide, violence, despair, or New Age
spirituality in pop/rock today? Or just get a copy of the words and read
(but be aware that many are possibly triggering to survivors of mind
control).
Illuminati Weaknesses
Svali: "1. Their arrogance (I think I mentioned this before) is their
weakness. These people think they are untouchable, and this could make
them careless.
2. If by a miracle, enough people took this SERIOUSLY and started
organizing in some way to stop the Illuminati take over, with prayer and
God's guidance, perhaps they could be stopped. I hope so, with all of my
heart.
3. Stopping pornography and child prostitution and drug smuggling and
gun running would take out a huge chunk of their profits. Maybe they
would slow down. But honestly, stopping the above would be as difficult
as stopping the group."
Public's Denial Mechanism
Svali: The evidence is there, but in my opinion, the average person does
NOT want to know, and even when confronted with it, will look the other
way.
The Franklin case is a point. How much evidence has come out? Or the MK-
Ultra documents that have been declassified, shown as real, and people
ignore it.
Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. But I believe that the media that
downplays ritual abuse is feeding into a deep need in the average person
to NOT know the reality. In fact, how can a person face the fact of
great evil in mankind, unless they have either a strong faith in God, or
are faced with insurmountable evidence? We as human beings want to
believe the BEST of our race, not the worst, IMHO.
I really don't believe people will do anything about the Illuminati even
if they know. Sorry for the cynicism, but it is based on a lifetime of
experience.
The Illuminists don't care who prints this stuff, or if they are
"exposed" because they are counting on the majority not believing it,
having done a pretty good job with a media blitz campaign (seen any
articles in Newsweek or Time lately that addresses this other than as a
laughable conspiracy theory? Guess who owns Time-Warner?).
I have heard them laughing about this very thing in leadership meetings
five years ago, and I doubt their attitude has changed much since then.
If people DID believe this, if action could be taken, then I would be
very surprised and quite happy."
"Svali" is a registered nurse and freelance writer living in Texas.
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----- Original Message -----
From: ALC
To: econo...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [economysos] re: interesting
OK I have to say this...
I'm not sure about this whole Luciferian/Illuminati thing. I will say
something about how the world is going these day stinks, but I'd be more
likely to say that it's about money and power, not religion.
However, as a Pagan I can say, don't blame us. Yes, we're not Judeo-
Christian. Yes, a lot of us are very inrerested in preserving the
enviroment. However, many of us have also serves honorably in the Armed
Forces, and all are dyed-in-the-wool Patriots. Believe me, we have a
vested interested in keeping the Constitution and a democratic Republic
alive and well. After all, how long would we last without the First
Ammendment.
What Pagans want (And I go to several major conventions every year and
speat with thousands of them) is to be able to agreee to disagree with
Christians. Live next door to each other in relative peace. It's a bumpy
road to that goal, but we're trying.
In the meantime I don't know about this whole Luciver/Illuminati thing.
We didn't invent Lucifer and don't worship him, and we sure as h___
don't have the political pull OR the level of organization to be a part
of any global conspiracy (those conventions happen annually, and have
for a decade, and are still nightmares of logistics) I can safely say,
we are just as worried as the rest of you!
As far as voting goes, I will vote for anyone who supports the Second
Ammendment. As long as we are still an armed population, everything else
is negociable.
Annie C.
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Susan,
Gaia is the "New Age" religion which is going to be the One World
Religion used by the UN's boy Maurice Strong, who has already bought
property, building his temple, and is setting up shop in Colorado. Gaia
is a Luciferian cult who worship the creation, not the creator. The
Luciferian Press was in the UN Building until there was such a public
outcry and they were forced to move. "Isn't the only hope for the planet
that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our
responsibility to bring it about?" -- Maurice Strong, Head of the 1992
Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro
"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a
pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will
take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation." (David Spangler, Director of Planetary
Initiative, United Nations)
Joan Veon: Gaia: The re-ordering of the world http://www.wnd.com/news/ar
ticle.asp? ARTICLE_ID=27013 Henry Lamb: Churches duped by green
extremists
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp? ARTICLE_ID=27025
Yet our cravenness Congress support this diabolical entity sworn to
reduce the world population by 80%
(on the UN's own website) from the current 6 billion to 2 billion. Bush
has just signed on to UNESCO an arm of the UN which wish to control our
children and divide the family unit, at a cost of $65 million of
taxpayers dollars. Bush a Yale "Skull & Bones" (a Luciferian
organization who worship Satan described by MSNBC) as were his father
and grandfather, knows better than anyone, the goals of the UN and
UNESCO for America and the world. Our government as well as other world
leaders who go to Bohemian Grove to worship Moloch will be using their
Al Qaeda cell assets for even more terrorism.
The Occult Practices of the Global Elite at Bohemian Grove Check out
This 20 Minute Clip (Hosted by Defenders of Freedom. org) From Alex's
Video, Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove.
Muslim Chinese and Arabs crossing our borders bt the thousands are given
ID and amnesty, then allowed to live among us for their surprise attack
and their promised world wide Jihad. It's all a part of
llluminist/communist Albert Pike's plan of 1871 for WW3 to kill
Christians and Jews. We are being set up and destroyed from within.
The events of 9-11 were like Pearl Harbor and used as pretext to invade
Afghanistan, then Iraq and the rest of the Middle East, possibly the
world; using the UNREAD (UN)-Patriot Act passed by Congress to abrogate
the Constitution to rob us of our liberties and freedom; further empower
world government, and a future military takeover by our government. This
is known as multitasking by those at the highest levels of government
who are responsible; otherwise it could not have been successfully
accomplished with such precision synchronicity.
Bush and Cheney have done everything possible to prevent a private
investigation of 9-11 up to and including silencing of those who do, and
continue to perpetuate their "Phony War on Terrorism" while leaving our
borders wide open to terrorists as we wait for the next shoe to drop.
After Larry Klayman www. judicialwatch. org finishes with them, they'll
both have to pack their bags.
MILLIONS know what is going on, and they aren't buying it, despite their
fixed polls and media's propaganda. There were letters 100:1 to Congress
protesting the resolution. I have written, and the day I phoned, the
lines were jammed all day long, and I finally got through, but they
voted for it anyway, just like NAFTA with 78% citizen in opposition and
why our country is in a severe recession, going into a depression. This
proving we have taxation without representation which brought on the
Revolutionary war. They listen to multi-national corporations who grease
their palms instead of the taxpayers who pay them. Many were probably
promised pork, while others were intimidated, but nonetheless, we have
the best Congress money can buy.
Your article only points out the depth and breath of the corruption in
our country as well as around the world. It's not conspiracy theory when
you have the proof. The NGO Federal Reserve Bank is neither federal or
reserve, and why JFK wanted to abolish it. If the majority of American
citizens understood how banking and money work, there would be a march
on Washington with torches and broom sticks, or worse. They are counting
on ignorance and apathy to further their agenda. "If the people were to
ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and
lynched." -- George H W Bush, cited in the June,
1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter.
Remember this when you go to the polls November 5th. We need to get rid
of the treasonous legislators who allow this to happen to our beautiful
country. Myself, I will be voting Libertarian this time, or any
independent party on the ballot, except the GREENS. We need to clean
house and take our country back. But they are already cheating, and will
control the vote through touch screen computer voting this year, which
can be controlled by satellites (used when you make a credit card
purchase) and results can be changed on the few computers with a paper
tickets or without paper back up ballot.
His disclosure documents omit any mention of American Information
Systems at all. John Gottschalk has been reported as a director for both
the World-Herald Company Inc. (concentrating on the non-newspaper
subsidiaries) and ES&S. He was also involved with Senator Hagel in the
World USO, has relationships with James Baker; he is listed as a USO pal
of George W. Bush. Hmm, there's that certain odor again. Info can be
accessed at
http://www.talion.com/election-machines.html#Nebraska
"Absentee forms found burned" http://www.argusleader.com/news/Fridayarti
cle2.shtml
Voter News Service who gives out election results to the networks -
(they even told us the winner before the votes were all counted in
2000... humm) moved out of their Manhattan office to a secret location
in Brooklyn in an old building, with an iron door having just a small
sign on front of the door. Doesn't that smell just a little bit? www.
votefraud. org Nevertheless, it's important that everyone votes. Those
involved will get caught eventually. "The world is a dangerous place to
live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people
who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein
bcc: friends
PS: Greg said, "I believe the thinking (if you want to call it that) of
the "powers that be" is that to truly become a single superpower, one
needs to control its destiny, and our lack of a substantial/reliable oil
supply is intolerable and unacceptable to them, so, whatever it takes,
money, LIVES, doesn't matter to them, the pricks. The money
(I believe it will be a $500 billion war) to fix this little problem is
more then the cost of about all the oil Iraq has (at current rate "Oil
Life in years" of Iraq is approx. 56 Years or 112.5 billion barrels, or
10.8% of the world total petroleum reserves just behind Saudi Arabia @
261.5 billion barrels, or 25.2% of the world total. where as the U. S.
is approx. 9 years, with Kuwait leading all others at approx. 139 years
or 96.5 billion barrels, or 9.3% of the world total), but this $500b
doesn't come out of the pockets of the "powers that be", they'll just
reap in the oil profits. But when U. S. boys start coming home in body
bags 10,000 at a time to a total of, I believe, 200,000, then the s.. t
will hit the fan, I'm talking impeachments. I believe."
I agree Greg, but I certainly hope it's stopped before it's started, and
if started stopped way before 200,000 of our boys/girls die. The
president and the Congress will not only be responsible, but culpable,
and we must impeach them, or recall them from office. They can steal our
money, but they can't steal our kids. They will be under the UN. We know
how our troops were betrayed and the enemy knew where and when every
attack was going to take place via the UN Russian General who was in
charge, forcing Gen. Douglas MacArthur to resign, rather than to see his
troops slaughtered. Moreover, during Nam, our govt. sold weapons to
Russia who sold them to N. Viet Nam to kill our soldiers fighting and
dying in S. Viet Nam. The Illuminist = CFR in America and the
Rothschilds in Europe finance both sides, then sit back and laugh.
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AnyOneButDrP
<the_tod...@msn.com> writes
interesting piece in the grauniad today. it says she is much better for
lab than charles would be...and because of the way we run government
(i.e. our governments have to defer to the head of state in some key
respects) she/her descendants are here to stay, unless we change the way
the country is governed. blair won't do that. he is essentially a
conservative (a small 'c' one)...
the grauniad piece is worth reading. it's by Jackie Ashley and i'm sure
it will be on www.guardian.co.uk today
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Joe Hutcheon
wrote:
>Rock Music
>
>I believe that Brittany Spears, Eminem, and others are being used by
>them to sing lyrics they like (ever notice that he wears a Neo-Nazi look
>and sings hate lyrics? This is NOT by chance)
Britney Spears is a tool of Satan? I mean I agree, but good to have
it confirmed from such an authoritative source.
Paris
news:aqasf4$arr$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Sorry, but I simply don't believe Brenda would come out with such a
> statement.
It does seem unlikely. She's got this far without jepardising her position
through her own actions.
Marie
"the idiot" <id...@207g.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eDPJ6fAV...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> > As this story unravels it gets murkier and murkier. I wonder if it will
> > be the end of the monarchy in the long run? RH
(snip)
>
> i suppose she could be referring to those that had diana killed, but then
> again if she has no knowledge of them how does she know they are up to
> something?
i think we ought to hand this case over to Mulder and Scully!
--
'rie & Bella the Cat.....
'I expect consistency and am consistently disappointed'.
Tom
"The Todal" <the_tod...@msn.com> wrote in message
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The problem isn't just Brenda, it is that there will never be agreement on
what to replace her with. viz. the House of Lords debacle, the Australian
Republican referendum. For what its worth, having a constitutional monarch
who keeps her trap shut and embodies the symbolic power of the state may be
eccentric and superficially undemocratic but at the end of the day it works,
and most people give it their tacit support as a remnant of history. I
still prefer it to the theoretical uber democratic American system which
works no better and arguably worse. If it means one individual, Brenda,
has the theoretical ability to get away with murder it seems like a small
price to pay. Rich people seem to get away with murder all the time and no
one cares much. Surely efforts should be devoted to stripping away the
layers of semi royal hangers-on, pompous Duke of Edinburgh type arrogance
and the culture the of deference that supports it, rather than worrying
about symbolic bows and curtsies, and cut the "royal family" down to size
without thowing the symbolic constitutional baby out with the bathwater.
Aramis Gunton
<j.hut...@hefce.ac.uk> writes
>Britney Spears is a tool of Satan?
I'd sure be over the moon if she had Satan mine!!
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AnyOneButDrP
<Tho...@NOSPAMrukus.biz> writes
that's wot the grauniad says today.
but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative...again, like blair is.
the guardian piece says it's a case of blair scratches brenda's back and
she keeps schtum (and thereby scratches his). if charlie boy was on the
throne he'd be writing complaining letters and threatening to go skiing
if lab banned fox hunting.
NotDrp
Bruce Tober
<the_tod...@msn.com> writes
>We interpret it by saying that it is such an inherently implausible
>conversation that it is really an outrage that the Queen did not give
>evidence about the conversation and the jury was not given the
>opportunity to weigh the evidence and give a verdict.
I do just love the way those who claim not to believe in Conspiracy
Theories (and I'm not aiming this comment at you necessarily) are so
happy to swallow such CSs as this one.
>Blair seems to think that the system is perfectly okay, and that no
>changes are necessary. So that means that whenever the Queen is
>involved, justice cannot be done. Is she worth it? I mean, really?
>When will we ever have a Labour government with the courage to remove
>the Queen as head of state?
Perhaps when we actually have a Labour government as opposed to this
reconstituted tory one.
>Is it perhaps an issue that the Tories could usefully embrace?
Not bloody likely.
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>
> blair won't do that. he is essentially a
> conservative (a small 'c' one)...
Not quite. He is a radical-conservative hybrid, cf Thatcher. Someone like
Callaghan was far more *socially* conservative than Blair (governing without
a majority notwithstanding).
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Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
Bruce Tober
<be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> writes
>blair won't do that. he is essentially a conservative (a small 'c'
>one)...
And a big C one.
The Todal
"AnyOneButDrP" <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
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Thanks. An interesting article but rather misguided at the beginning, I
think, when the author suggests that perhaps (or at least arguably) the
Queen was to blame for keeping quiet about Burrell's conversation with her.
That criticism is, I think, unjustified. It is actually rather difficult to
understand why that very brief conversation should have assumed such
enormous importance. Assuming he did tell her in vague terms that he was
looking after some of Diana's possessions, what was she supposed to do? Ask
him for a list? Ask him whether he had told the Spencers or his superiors in
the servant hierarchy? Come off it. She wasn't interested, nor should she
be. A nod, a smile and a "thank you, Paul. We do value your loyalty. Have
you tried that rather nice cheesecake? If you'll excuse me, I must speak to
the Italian ambassador" would be more like it. His fantasy conversation
about "forces at work" reveals him to be an unreliable witness. To be fair,
perhaps the conversation took place entirely in his head and the journalists
decided to spice it up a bit to sell newspapers.
It is of course perfectly possible that long after his conversation with the
Queen, he decided that maybe he would keep the heirlooms and eventually sell
them, since nobody had asked for them back. We don't know. We will never
know, because a decision was made that the trial could not continue without
the Queen giving evidence, and there was no question of the Queen giving
evidence. Just as there was no question of Burrell giving her a good hug as
he says he wanted to. Just as there is no question of Blair tinkering with
the constitution so that the next time a royal servant is accused of theft,
the Queen can give her evidence like any other citizen of this country. The
gamble is, there won't be another case like this. Meanwhile, perhaps the
Queen will change her procedures to protect her position: always have a
third party present at any conversations with servants so that they can if
necessary give evidence, and whenever a servant says anything that sounds
important, say "I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. Never mind. I must go now".
Robin Carmody
>
> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
> if charlie boy was on the
> throne he'd be writing complaining letters and threatening to go skiing
> if lab banned fox hunting.
The monarchy will be lucky to survive him. William is their best hope.
James Hammerton
> than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
> which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
> the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
> How do we interpret this?
Someone's made a ludicrous claim in a tabloid newspaper. Shock horror...
James
AnyOneButDrP
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>AnyOneButDrP <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
>news:JodJDpAK...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
>> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
>
>Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
yes some are great; some are crap...like everybody else. but there is an
underlying orientism towards establishmentarianism among many.
sheesh, must be bloody 'ism' day
NotDrP
Robert Henderson
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>news:JodJDpAK...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
>> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
>
>Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
>
But you don't know anyone because you are never let out of your attic.
RH
>> if charlie boy was on the
>> throne he'd be writing complaining letters and threatening to go skiing
>> if lab banned fox hunting.
>
>The monarchy will be lucky to survive him. William is their best hope.
>--
>Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
>
>
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Bruce Tober
Hammerton <ja...@tardis.ed.ac.uk> writes
>Someone's made a ludicrous claim in a tabloid newspaper. Shock
>horror...
Do I detect just a bit of sarcasm? Be careful with that, most yanks
don't understand or recognise it.
Robert Henderson
Hammerton <ja...@tardis.ed.ac.uk> writes
>Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<eDPJ6fAVKP
>y9E...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>...
>> "Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
>> than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
>> which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
>> the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>>
>> How do we interpret this?
>
>Someone's made a ludicrous claim in a tabloid newspaper. Shock horror...
>
There is just as great a danger in adopting "all conspiracy theories are
wrong" as accepting them all as valid. This strikes me as plausible in
the context of the very odd trial and its collapse. RH
>James
Robin Carmody
> In article <aqb8ff$2ok$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >AnyOneButDrP <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
> >news:JodJDpAK...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
> >>
> >> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
> >> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
> >
> >Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
> >
>
> But you don't know anyone because you are never let out of your attic.
> RH
One good friend of mine is an Old Wykehamist. Another is an Old Salopian.
I wouldn't know either if I was confined to this non-existent "attic".
phil
"AnyOneButDrP" <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
come off it Anyone; NO PM, doesnt matter who the hell it is, will change the
system for one simple fact of crown perogative that gives them ultimate and
total power. the British PM, no matter who it is, has the most unchecked
power in the entire western world, they will not, under any circumstances
change the system.
phil
"phil" <ph...@no.com> wrote in message
news:KUby9.1825$%24.17...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> come off it Anyone; NO PM, doesnt matter who the hell it is, will change
the
> system for one simple fact of crown perogative that gives them ultimate
and
> total power.
+NOT :-)
Steve Walker
> Here is something that seems to me could be true or, if not true,
> then very near the truth on many points.
>children stolen and used as human sacrifice
>MK Ultra
> Satanic cult
> military takeover, NWO
> CIA black op
> Gulags (some with ovens)
> the Satanic signal of Prince William
> anti-Christ/Satan installed by the UN
> Revelations is being proven
45 kb of utter, raving paranoid babble. If you think that any of that
"could be true or, if not true, then very near the truth on many points"
then you are a complete fruit loop.
Steve Walker
> There is just as great a danger in adopting "all conspiracy
> theories are wrong" as accepting them all as valid. This strikes
> me as plausible in the context of the very odd trial and its
> collapse.
Agreed - but the conspiracy here is about protecting the privileges of the
Windsors
Jonathan Bratt
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Then there is the distinctly odd "There are powers at work in this
>country about which we have no knowledge." Is the "we" the royal "we"
>or merely the ordinary pronoun including the Queen and Burrell? Or could
>it be a general "we" including the populace at large?
It could be read as a threat, followed by the royal 'we' disassociating
herself from the threat. I.e. you may be in danger but of course *I*
wouldn't know anything about that.
--
Jonathan Bratt
peter
tr...@beeb.net> stated: -
>peter wrote:
>
no I SENT it - I most certainly did NOT write it NOR do I endorse it -
what I wrote was:
ah go on (with reference to feeding the paranoid conspiracy theorists).
Attribute the attributable please.
PW
--
peter
libran
> Sorry, but I simply don't believe Brenda would come out with such a
> statement.
Are you saying that PB could make a public statement about a conversation
with the Queen that did not actually take place?
Anyway I thought it was Prince Charles who had put this conversation about?
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Mel Rowing
"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
> than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
> which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
> the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
> of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is she
> frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves? Is she
> acting under orders from someone else?
>
> Then there is the distinctly odd "There are powers at work in this
> country about which we have no knowledge." Is the "we" the royal "we"
> or merely the ordinary pronoun including the Queen and Burrell? Or could
> it be a general "we" including the populace at large?
>
> about? The security forces? The Government? Private individuals who know
> too much? Foreign powers? The NWO?
I think it would be useful to remember the context in which the alleged
conversation took place.
The Queen came under severe public criticism following the death of Diana
particularly in relationt to her alleged indifference to it.. We were not so
distant fromthe 'annus horribilis'
Do I detect a aura of seige mentality?
> As this story unravels it gets murkier and murkier. I wonder if it will
> be the end of the monarchy in the long run? RH
No if only because any such debate would be not about the Queen but the
monarchy.
Even if all the wildest speculations against the Queen that you read and
have read here and elsewhere turned out to be substantiable the parmeters of
the debate would not change.
History is littered with monarchs considered rogues or philanderers, popular
monarchs and unpopular. The institution still survives and will continue so
to do unless and until the populace becomes convince that a political head
of state is a better alternative.
The general image of politicians must surely never have been at a lower ebb
than it is today. When one looks round the world at both democratically and
undemoratically appointed Presidents there appear little to commend these
systems over our own.
Mel Rowing
Stan Mould
"Mel Rowing" <mel.r...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:aqbpo6$kd4$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eDPJ6fAV...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> > "Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
> > than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
> > which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
> > the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
> >
> > How do we interpret this? It is obviously a warning from the Queen, but
> > of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is she
> > frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves? Is she
> > acting under orders from someone else?
> >
> > Then there is the distinctly odd "There are powers at work in this
> > country about which we have no knowledge." Is the "we" the royal "we"
> > or merely the ordinary pronoun including the Queen and Burrell? Or could
> > it be a general "we" including the populace at large?
> >
> > And what or who are the "powers" whom the Queen claims not to know
> > about? The security forces? The Government? Private individuals who know
> > too much? Foreign powers? The NWO?
Nah.. Ask Maurice Kellet. It's the Freemasons.
Stan
anton
The Todal wrote in message ...
>
>
>Blair seems to think that the system is perfectly okay, and that no changes
>are necessary. So that means that whenever the Queen is involved, justice
>cannot be done. Is she worth it? I mean, really? When will we ever have a
>Labour government with the courage to remove the Queen as head of state? Is
>it perhaps an issue that the Tories could usefully embrace?
I hope so. While the Queen symbolises continuity, Blair
is subverting the constitution and setting up the means by
which a real fascist can take over with very few changes necessary.
I can't see any means of control over Blair in the next few
years, and if we were unfortunate enough to vote the clown
in again, the stage would be set for the country to be totally
buggered.
So let's abolish the monarchy and set up a serious
constitution, in which even poodles can maintain some
minor degree of checks and balances over Blair, and
make it more difficult for any successor to do a
complete "l'etat c'est moi" takeover.
The Royal family, of course, lost all decency when they went
along with confiscatory socialist tax regimes by continuing
to not pay income tax etc. They should have volunteered
to suffer along with their subjects and gone down with the
economic ship.
--
Anton
AnyOneButDrP
<ph...@no.com> writes
>
>"phil" <ph...@no.com> wrote in message
>news:KUby9.1825$%24.17...@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> come off it Anyone; NO PM, doesnt matter who the hell it is, will change
>the
>> system for one simple fact of crown perogative that gives them ultimate
>and
>> total power.
>
>+NOT :-)
>
que?
NotDrP
Bruce Tober
<lib...@lineone.net> writes
>Are you saying that PB could make a public statement about a
>conversation with the Queen that did not actually take place?
Youo're forgetting it was in a tabloid, about as close to fiction as
you'll get half the time.
Oh, wait, that's the sun I'm thinking of in the second half of that
statement.
Marie
Um, i think peter had his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.
'rie * Bella the Cat
Robert Henderson
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:xu8SBLAa...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <aqb8ff$2ok$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
>> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>> >AnyOneButDrP <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
>> >news:JodJDpAK...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
>> >>
>> >> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
>> >> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
>> >
>> >Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
>> >
>>
>> But you don't know anyone because you are never let out of your attic.
>> RH
>
>One good friend of mine is an Old Wykehamist. Another is an Old Salopian.
>I wouldn't know either if I was confined to this non-existent "attic".
>--
Friends? Young Aspers? Ho, ho, ho, ho.... hos to infinity and beyond. RH
Robert Henderson
<mel.r...@btinternet.com> writes
>
>History is littered with monarchs considered rogues or philanderers, popular
>monarchs and unpopular. The institution still survives and will continue so
>to do unless and until the populace becomes convince that a political head
>of state is a better alternative.
Deference is gone. It is a mistake to believe what has happened will
always happen. We live in rather different times now. RH
peter
<be...@globalnet.co.uk> stated: -
PRECISELY
--
peter
Joe Hutcheon
wrote:
Oops! I sent it off to the Daily Mail, using your name! I thought you
would welcome the airing of these serious allegations in a mainstream
publication.
peter
<j.hut...@hefce.ac.uk> stated: -
lol!
I really prefer Private Eye.
--
peter
Jonathan Bratt
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <aqbpo6$kd4$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>, Mel Rowing
><mel.r...@btinternet.com> writes
>>
>>History is littered with monarchs considered rogues or philanderers, popular
>>monarchs and unpopular. The institution still survives and will continue so
>>to do unless and until the populace becomes convince that a political head
>>of state is a better alternative.
>
>Deference is gone. It is a mistake to believe what has happened will
>always happen. We live in rather different times now. RH
Quite - the generation that believed that HMQ never even went to the
lavatory is rapidly dying off. I cannot see the damage that has been
done to the monarchy over the last 20 years being undone.
Posh and Becks are more like royalty for many younger people today - and
would appear to be doing a rather better job.
The institution may linger a while longer as a bit of rather tawdry
entertainment, but the mystery has long gone.
--
Jonathan Bratt
Emas Refugee
> "Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
> than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
> which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
> the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
> How do we interpret this?
That he's mad? He'll be claiming that Tony Blair tried to have him
prosecuted next. (Snigger)
Steve Glynn
> In article <aqbhpk$pf0$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:xu8SBLAa...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article <aqb8ff$2ok$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> >> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >> >AnyOneButDrP <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
> >> >news:JodJDpAK...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
> >> >>
> >> >> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
> >> >> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
> >> >
> >> >Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
> >> >
> >>
> >> But you don't know anyone because you are never let out of your attic.
> >> RH
> >
> >One good friend of mine is an Old Wykehamist. Another is an Old
Salopian.
> >I wouldn't know either if I was confined to this non-existent "attic".
> >--
>
> Friends? Young Aspers? Ho, ho, ho, ho.... hos to infinity and beyond. RH
>
That's unfair Robert. It's perfectly normal for children to have
imaginary friends. What's wrong with young Robin keeping in touch with
his childhood playmates?
Steve
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These friends don't go back that far, Steve.
I'd never have dreamed, as a child, that I'd know ex-public schoolboys :).
Robert Henderson
<steve...@ntlworld.com> writes
>> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
>> >> >
>> >> >Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> But you don't know anyone because you are never let out of your attic.
>> >> RH
>> >
>> >One good friend of mine is an Old Wykehamist. Another is an Old
>Salopian.
>> >I wouldn't know either if I was confined to this non-existent "attic".
>> >--
>>
>> Friends? Young Aspers? Ho, ho, ho, ho.... hos to infinity and beyond. RH
>>
>
>That's unfair Robert. It's perfectly normal for children to have
>imaginary friends. What's wrong with young Robin keeping in touch with
>his childhood playmate
Sssssh....don't ruin his fantasy. RH
Paul Hyett
Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> typed this -
>"Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
>than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
>which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
>the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
>of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is she
>frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves? Is she
>acting under orders from someone else?
I think she's making sure he doesn't have an 'accident' - now she's
spoken out, *NO-ONE* would believe it was genuine if he did!
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England
Robin Carmody
> In article <aqdsqp$983f7$2...@ID-139981.news.dfncis.de>, Steve Glynn
> <steve...@ntlworld.com> writes
> >> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do
:).
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> But you don't know anyone because you are never let out of your
attic.
> >> >> RH
> >> >
> >> >One good friend of mine is an Old Wykehamist. Another is an Old
> >Salopian.
> >> >I wouldn't know either if I was confined to this non-existent "attic".
> >> >--
> >>
> >> Friends? Young Aspers? Ho, ho, ho, ho.... hos to infinity and beyond.
RH
> >>
> >
> >That's unfair Robert. It's perfectly normal for children to have
> >imaginary friends. What's wrong with young Robin keeping in touch with
> >his childhood playmate
>
> Sssssh....don't ruin his fantasy. RH
Aaah ... your snobbery shows itself once again.
What on earth is wrong with my having friends who went to public school?
Steve Glynn
"AnyOneButDrP" <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
> In article <aqb8ff$2ok$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >AnyOneButDrP <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
> >news:JodJDpAK...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
> >>
> >> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
> >
> >Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
>
>
> underlying orientism towards establishmentarianism among many.
>
> sheesh, must be bloody 'ism' day
>
> NotDrP
>
Can we have that first sentence in English, please? I'm not sure what
'orientism' is (something to do with 'orientalism'?) and
establishmentarianism is a belief in having an established church (i.e. the
C of E as opposed to the rest).
If you mean former public schoolboys tend to be biased towards the
establishment -- whatever that might be, other than a London nightclub of
the 1960s -- then why not say so?
The Dark Magus
<steve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> but there is an
>> underlying orientism towards establishmentarianism among many.
>Can we have that first sentence in English, please? I'm not sure what
>'orientism' is (something to do with 'orientalism'?) and
>establishmentarianism is a belief in having an established church (i.e. the
>C of E as opposed to the rest).
Establishmentarianism is the opposite of disestablishmentarianism,
once believed to be the longest common word in English.
According to Websters Online:
establishmentarianism: of, relating to, or favoring the social or
political establishment.
The Dark Magus
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<pah...@activist.demon.co.uk> writes
Quite. He could rob a bank and I don't think the police would go near
him.
--
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Steve Walker
> In article <aqbnfo$8bb$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Steve Walker <spam-
> tr...@beeb.net> stated: -
>> peter wrote:
>>
> no I SENT it - I most certainly did NOT write it NOR do I endorse
> it - what I wrote was:
>
> ah go on (with reference to feeding the paranoid conspiracy
> theorists).
>
> Attribute the attributable please.
Sincere apols Peter, but you do need to clearly identify which words are
yours and which are quotes, otherwise the reasonable presumption would be
that the quote commenced *after* the very clear marker which I've pasted
below.
(pasted marker from Peter's post dated 6th Nov 12.11hrs)
============
Now for the article:
Steve Walker
> peter wrote:
>> In article <aqbnfo$8bb$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Steve Walker <spam-
>> tr...@beeb.net> stated: -
>>> peter wrote:
>>>
>> no I SENT it - I most certainly did NOT write it NOR do I endorse
>> it - what I wrote was:
>>
>> ah go on (with reference to feeding the paranoid conspiracy
>> theorists).
>>
>> Attribute the attributable please.
>
NB - just found this below :
"Coupled with economic collectivism is anti Christian libertarianism - it
is a political philosophy from the pit and mirrors the builders of the
first New World Order on the Plain of Shinar. And I have seen what
remains of that "Project" with my own eyes."
Pls could you clarify if that's another tongue-in-cheek comment?
peter
>
--
peter
Steve Glynn
"The Dark Magus" <sp...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 19:59:15 -0000, "Steve Glynn"
> <steve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> but there is an
> >> underlying orientism towards establishmentarianism among many.
>
> >Can we have that first sentence in English, please? I'm not sure what
> >'orientism' is (something to do with 'orientalism'?) and
> >establishmentarianism is a belief in having an established church (i.e.
the
> >C of E as opposed to the rest).
>
> Establishmentarianism is the opposite of disestablishmentarianism,
> once believed to be the longest common word in English.
>
Erroniously so believed in that case, since the longest common word in
English is usually thought to be antidisestablishmentarianism (i.e.
opposition to the disestablishment of the C of E).
> According to Websters Online:
>
> establishmentarianism: of, relating to, or favoring the social or
> political establishment.
>
>
Quite possibly that's a US usage, but in the UK it's specific (AFAIK) to
favouring the idea of an established church (which, of course, is forbidden
by your Constitution). Certainly that's what I've always taken it to mean
and it's the only meaning the Concise Oxford gives for it.
Steve
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> news:VafuvtBB...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
> > In article <aqb8ff$2ok$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> > <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> > >AnyOneButDrP <be...@killspamanywhere.andIMeanAnywhere> wrote in message
> > >news:JodJDpAK...@western-pr.demon.co.uk...
> > >>
> > >> but like blair, the editor is public-school educated so is likely,
> > >> probably, on balance. to be a tad conservative
> > >
> > >Hmmm, you obviously don't know the same public schoolboys as I do :).
> >
> >
> > yes some are great; some are crap...like everybody else. but there is an
> > underlying orientism towards establishmentarianism among many.
Ah ... you don't know my Old Wykehamist friend who likes "What's Your
Fantasy" by Ludacris.
Mind you, you probably don't know how "What's Your Fantasy" by Ludacris
sounds. If you did, everything would fall into place ...
Robin Carmody
bought was by, would you believe it, Howard Jones (cf the "mental chains"
thread) ... itself a small personal document of the battles between old Tory
and new, and hence the party's self-destruction.
Robert Henderson
It took five years for her to do it if we are to believe Burrell's
story. RH
Robert Henderson
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
It isn't the public school bit I have trouble with, it is the idea that
you have friends. RH
>Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
>
>
--
yaffaDina
And hers! At least he mentioned it before the trail -- tot ht epolice!
*She* only remembered it the day before PB was to go on the stand!
yD
Zer0
"Steve Glynn" <steve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>Establishmentarianism is the opposite of disestablishmentarianism,
>>once believed to be the longest common word in English.
>Erroniously so believed in that case, since the longest common word in
>English is usually thought to be antidisestablishmentarianism (i.e.
>opposition to the disestablishment of the C of E).
Not quite, Glynn, old boy.
The ninth= longest word, with 34 letters, is
pseudoantidisestablishmentarianism, which means 'false opposition to the
withdrawal of state support from a church' [not, necessarily the Church of
England.] It ties with that Mary Poppins favourite:
'supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.'
In my opinion, the longest word in common usage is
'pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis' which is a lung disease
caused by breathing fine dust and appears in the OED, weighing in at 45
letters.
There are six longer words with the longest being 1909 letters, which I have
no intention of typing. It is the scientific name for tryptophan synthetase
A protein, an enzyme made up of 267 amino acids and has appeared in print
several times.
One longer word - the systematic name of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) has an
alleged 207000 letters but has never appeared in print save for an
abbreviated form in Nature on 9 April 1981.
Zer0
Robin Carmody
I have many friends, some on these ngs, some not.
Robert Henderson
Carmody <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>--
>>
>> It isn't the public school bit I have trouble with, it is the idea that
>> you have friends. RH
>
>I have many friends, some on these ngs, some not.
>--
Robin Carmody
> In article <27904a9a.02110...@posting.google.com>, Robin
> Carmody <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >--
> >>
> >> It isn't the public school bit I have trouble with, it is the idea that
> >> you have friends. RH
> >
> >I have many friends, some on these ngs, some not.
> >--
> Snigger. RH
Ah well, at least you didn't say "Ho, ho, ho ... hos to infinity and
beyond". I would have bet on it.
Robert Henderson
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:Bi6eiaBH...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <27904a9a.02110...@posting.google.com>, Robin
>> Carmody <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>> >--
>> >>
>> >> It isn't the public school bit I have trouble with, it is the idea that
>> >> you have friends. RH
>> >
>> >I have many friends, some on these ngs, some not.
>> >--
>> Snigger. RH
>
>Ah well, at least you didn't say "Ho, ho, ho ... hos to infinity and
>beyond". I would have bet on it.
>--
Guffaw. RH
>Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
>
>
--
vonroach
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Guffaw. RH
Well guffawed, Bobby; but, recall he guffaws best who guffaws last.
No loud guffawing heard within the depths of the palace?
Robert Henderson
<vonr...@earthlink.net> writes
No, we are to busy over here laughing ourselves silly as Moronicans
support George W Moron. RH
vonroach
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Well guffawed, Bobby; but, recall he guffaws best who guffaws last.
>>No loud guffawing heard within the depths of the palace?
>
>
>No, we are to busy over here laughing ourselves silly as Moronicans
>support George W Moron. RH
GUFFAW! No silly recounts or legal shenanigan necessary this time. Even the UN
heard the message. GUFFAW. Everyone except a few perverse types clinging to the
Pacific beaches are on board, and the train is picking up speed. A unique
midterm victory unheard of since President James Monroe.
Robert Henderson
<vonr...@earthlink.net> writes
Which is why we are laughing ourselves silly over here at the Moronican
idiocy. RH
Red Dragon
> "Be careful Paul, nobody has ever been closer to a member of my family
> than you wee to Diana. There are powers at work in this country about
> which we have no knowledge." Paul Burrell recounting his meeting with
> the Queen in The Daily Mirror 7 6 02
>
> How do we interpret this? It is obviously a warning from the Queen, but
> of what sort? Is she just making a straightforward threat? Is she
> frightened herself and pleading with Burrell not to make waves? Is she
> acting under orders from someone else?
Obviously an attempt to prevent disclosure of Prince Andrew's true
parentage.
Red Dragon
vonroach
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>No, we are to busy over here laughing ourselves silly as Moronicans
>>>support George W Moron. RH
>>
>>GUFFAW! No silly recounts or legal shenanigan necessary this time. Even the UN
>>heard the message. GUFFAW. Everyone except a few perverse types clinging to the
>>Pacific beaches are on board, and the train is picking up speed. A unique
>>midterm victory unheard of since President James Monroe.
>
>Which is why we are laughing ourselves silly over here at the Moronican
>idiocy. RH
and I suppose some of his moronic allies such as Tony Moron and Francois Moron
and even the Morons in charge in Syria, China, and Russia. I suspect Sadaam
Idiot doesn't share your `guffaw'. I must lend a note of caution - the English
have underestimated leaders in the past with tragic results for their dreams of
empire. Perhaps giggling is what remains for you?
Robert Henderson
<vonr...@earthlink.net> writes
Really? Strange how we had the only world empire ever worthy of the name
then. The USA only exists because of England of course. RH
>Perhaps giggling is what remains for you?
--
vonroach
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Really? Strange how we had the only world empire ever worthy of the name
>then. The USA only exists because of England of course. RH
Some might say `inspite' of England. Let's see your own empire had its
inception in the Roman Empire as I recall. That followed the Greek Empire.
Should we mention the Mongol Empire, Ottoman Empire, ... among others. Western
civilization can generally trace its roots to the Roman Empire. I won't be crass
and mention some of your recent enemies (French Empire, Nazi Empire). Frankly
your `empire' today could be characterized with a quote from Abraham Lincoln -
resembling soup made with the shadow of a starving chicken.
Robert Henderson
<vonr...@earthlink.net> writes
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:11 +0000, Robert Henderson
><Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Really? Strange how we had the only world empire ever worthy of the name
>>then. The USA only exists because of England of course. RH
>
>Some might say `inspite' of England. Let's see your own empire had its
>inception in the Roman Empire as I recall.
Then you should seek psychiatric help immediately. RH
>That followed the Greek Empire.
>Should we mention the Mongol Empire, Ottoman Empire, ... among others. Western
>civilization can generally trace its roots to the Roman Empire. I won't be crass
>and mention some of your recent enemies (French Empire, Nazi Empire). Frankly
>your `empire' today could be characterized with a quote from Abraham Lincoln -
>resembling soup made with the shadow of a starving chicken.
--
vonroach
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <mh93tugfv2eebrpdq...@4ax.com>, vonroach
><vonr...@earthlink.net> writes
>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:50:11 +0000, Robert Henderson
>><Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Really? Strange how we had the only world empire ever worthy of the name
>>>then. The USA only exists because of England of course. RH
>>
>>Some might say `inspite' of England. Let's see your own empire had its
>>inception in the Roman Empire as I recall.
>
>Then you should seek psychiatric help immediately. RH
I'd oblige if Galen was still practicing. Of course, he probably never
traveled to the distant remote outpost, London. Fraud sojourned there briefly,
but frankly, no other leading psychiatrist ever studied or practiced there. They
probably gave it up as a hopeless case. Recent news accounts of events in the
palaces suggest their presence has been sourly missed.
>>That followed the Greek Empire.
>>Should we mention the Mongol Empire, Ottoman Empire, ... among others. Western
>>civilization can generally trace its roots to the Roman Empire. I won't be crass
>>and mention some of your recent enemies (French Empire, Nazi Empire). Frankly
>>your `empire' today could be characterized with a quote from Abraham Lincoln -
>>resembling soup made with the shadow of a starving chicken.
My my... I should have included the Spanish Empire, who perhaps came closer than
Napoleon or Hitler in doing you in, before they fell prey to the winds.
Robert Henderson
<vonr...@earthlink.net> writes
>>Then you should seek psychiatric help immediately. RH
>I'd oblige if Galen was still practicing. Of course, he probably never
>traveled to the distant remote outpost, London. Fraud sojourned there briefly,
>but frankly, no other leading psychiatrist ever studied or practiced there. They
>probably gave it up as a hopeless case. Recent news accounts of events in the
>palaces suggest their presence has been sourly missed.
Get down to the analyst quickly. RH