Moving a toilet.
Mark
into two rooms each being 6ft by 3ft, by putting a stud wall partition
halfway down the room.
The rear half will be a shower-room, accessible through a new
side-door.
The front half will be a WC - sink and toilet.
Currently the toilet is at the very back of the room i.e. 12ft away
from the door. So basically I'd like to move it approx 6ft nearer to
the door.
What's the easiest way to achieve this?
I guess the difficult part will be running the waste pipe along a
greater distance.
I understand there are some pumped systems available which can grind
the waste and move it through a smaller diameter pipe to the
soil-stack?
Any info is much appreciated!
Thanks,
Mark.
EricP
wrote:
>I understand there are some pumped systems available which can grind
>the waste and move it through a smaller diameter pipe to the
>soil-stack?
Look for "macerator". You can stick them in most places.
Grunff
> I have a long (12 ft), narrow (3ft) bathroom which I'd like to divide
> into two rooms each being 6ft by 3ft, by putting a stud wall partition
> halfway down the room.
>
> The rear half will be a shower-room, accessible through a new
> side-door.
> The front half will be a WC - sink and toilet.
>
> Currently the toilet is at the very back of the room i.e. 12ft away
> from the door. So basically I'd like to move it approx 6ft nearer to
> the door.
>
> What's the easiest way to achieve this?
> I guess the difficult part will be running the waste pipe along a
> greater distance.
Will the toilet be backing onto an external wall? Where are the external
walls in this arrangement? Where does the soil pipe go from the current
position?
> I understand there are some pumped systems available which can grind
> the waste and move it through a smaller diameter pipe to the
> soil-stack?
Yes, but they are evil. *EVIL*.
--
Grunff
use...@isbd.co.uk
> I have a long (12 ft), narrow (3ft) bathroom which I'd like to divide
> into two rooms each being 6ft by 3ft, by putting a stud wall partition
> halfway down the room.
>
> The rear half will be a shower-room, accessible through a new
> side-door.
> The front half will be a WC - sink and toilet.
>
> Currently the toilet is at the very back of the room i.e. 12ft away
> from the door. So basically I'd like to move it approx 6ft nearer to
> the door.
>
not swap the functions around so the toilet doesn't have to move (or
at least not so far)?
--
Chris Green
Steve Harvey
Christian McArdle
> >the waste and move it through a smaller diameter pipe to the
> >soil-stack?
>
> Look for "macerator". You can stick them in most places.
They get a bad press. However, they're fine, provided you avoid the
following user groups using them at all costs:
1. Children. (They stick too much bog roll, or peach stones down there).
2. Visitors. (They always manage to screw them up, normally by being also
(3) below.
3. Women. (No matter how many times you explicitly tell them not to insert
vampire's teabags down, they will continue to do so. The only really
effective technique is to make it clear that you will have to manually
remove said items from stalled macerator and will present them on a tray for
the perusal of your other guests).
Christian.
gribblechips
"Christian McArdle" <cmcar...@nospam.yahooxxxx.co.uk> wrote in message
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We`ve not had any problems with ours, despite the evil reputation. The kids
have to use the outside toilet for a few days if they eat cherry pips or the
like and we have a prominent sign with a big list of forbidden items on the
top of the cistern. It helps with visitors if there is a bin beside the
toilet within reach to dispose of the stuff they can`t flush.
Be aware you must have another (gravity) toilet on the premises if you have
a macerator on the main one. You dont want a bowl filled to the brim with
bangers and mash if the power goes off.
Will
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Mark
This arrangement is the best we can come up with.
The back half (i.e. the shower-room) will be accessed via a new
doorway to the bedroom.
The front half will be accessed via the hallway.
Making the back half the WC means the visitors would have to pass
through the bedroom to use the facilities.
Mark.
Mark
> Mark wrote:
>
> > I have a long (12 ft), narrow (3ft) bathroom which I'd like to divide
> > into two rooms each being 6ft by 3ft, by putting a stud wall partition
> > halfway down the room.
> >
> > The rear half will be a shower-room, accessible through a new
> > side-door.
> > The front half will be a WC - sink and toilet.
> >
> > Currently the toilet is at the very back of the room i.e. 12ft away
> > from the door. So basically I'd like to move it approx 6ft nearer to
> > the door.
> >
> > What's the easiest way to achieve this?
> > I guess the difficult part will be running the waste pipe along a
> > greater distance.
>
> Will the toilet be backing onto an external wall? Where are the external
> walls in this arrangement? Where does the soil pipe go from the current
> position?
No..it is currently backing onto an external wall with the soil-stack
immediatley outside. I'd like to move it about 6ft away from the wall.
Mark
Thanks for the usefull info!
Can they be fitted to a standard toilet?
Is there some type of large diameter to small diameter coupling?
And since it's pumped, does the waste pipe have to be on a gradient to
the soil-stack?
Or can it run uphill?
At the very least I'd like it to be on the flat...running under the
floor of the shower-room. Is this do-able?
And a slightly related question...I'm not sure which direction the
floor-boards run...so I'll assume the worst, which is that the joists
will be at 90 degrees to the path I'd like the waste pipe to take. Is
it safe to cut a notch into the top of each of the joists for the pipe
to pass through?
Or would this weaken them too much?
Thanks!!
Mark.
Grunff
>>Will the toilet be backing onto an external wall? Where are the external
>>walls in this arrangement? Where does the soil pipe go from the current
>>position?
>
>
> No..it is currently backing onto an external wall with the soil-stack
> immediatley outside. I'd like to move it about 6ft away from the wall.
Your 2m run (from toilet to external wall) would need a slope of around
1:50 - 1:25, so a drop of 4-8cm. You can either raise the toilet by that
much, or lower the exit hole for the soil pipe (by enlarging the hole in
the wall).
--
Grunff
gribblechips
> Can they be fitted to a standard toilet?
> Is there some type of large diameter to small diameter coupling?
Yes - they fit directly on to the back of the pan with a ribbed rubber
connector.
> And since it's pumped, does the waste pipe have to be on a gradient to
> the soil-stack?
> Or can it run uphill?
A gradient would be better - it will ensure the pipe empties when the pump
stops - this is important if any pipe is run outside to prevent the sludge
from freezing. Usually any pumping up goes directly from the unit to a high
point and then down.
> At the very least I'd like it to be on the flat...running under the
> floor of the shower-room. Is this do-able?
>
> And a slightly related question...I'm not sure which direction the
> floor-boards run...so I'll assume the worst, which is that the joists
> will be at 90 degrees to the path I'd like the waste pipe to take. Is
> it safe to cut a notch into the top of each of the joists for the pipe
> to pass through?
> Or would this weaken them too much?
Could be a problem as well as a lot of work. Take the waste straight up
into the loft space then out at the eaves.
The Natural Philosopher
But the best place is in the skip.
ANYTHING tougher than a sloppy turd and soft tissue will destroy them.
Thats disposable razors, matchsicks, sanitary towels and all the other
things that fall down the loo.
The Natural Philosopher
Whlst I admire in principle the admonition to avoid women children and
vistors, its not always a practical proposition, so its easier to avoid
macerators in practice.
If there is enough depth to the floor, or height to the room, use a
normal soil pipe and put it under a (possibly raised) floor.
Christian McArdle
> vistors, its not always a practical proposition, so its easier to avoid
> macerators in practice.
However, it might be workable in an en-suite, where you can control the
users. As a main downstairs toilet in the midst of a drunken (or children's)
party, they may be less appropriate.
They're even better if you have a "Number 1" rule.
What you have to face is that the choice is often between the macerator and
a bucket, not between a macerator and a conventional toilet.
Christian.
Owain
| What you have to face is that the choice is often between
| the macerator and a bucket, not between a macerator and a
| conventional toilet.
And given the choice between emptying and rinsing the bucket of an elsan
toilet, or dismantling and cleaning out a jammed macerator, I think I'd be
choosing the bucket.
Owain
John Rumm
> If there is enough depth to the floor, or height to the room, use a
> normal soil pipe and put it under a (possibly raised) floor.
Also remember that you do not actually need that much fall on a soil
pipe. Building regs specify a figure of between 18 and 90mm fall per
meter. So you could get away with a total fall of only 4cm over that
distance.
--
Cheers,
John.
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