Dishwasher upper spray arm not turning despite water flowing
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I have a Beko "DE 2541 FX" slimline dishwasher. The upper arm is
not turning/spinning/rotating, even though water pours out the spray
arm's holes.
I have thoroughly cleaned the entire dishwasher compartment: the
door, the inside walls, the sump and filters, the upper and lower trays,
the arms, just about everything.
Now the bottom spray arm works fine, goes merrily round and round
spraying just dandy. If I give the bottom spray arm a good flick of the
thumb, it spins freely and will do nine or ten complete revolutions
until it stops. The upper arm is harder to turn, I can get it to rotate
two or three times at most. I couldn't really say under oath that it
turns "freely".
Should the upper spray arm rotate more freely?
The two arms are differently designed. The bottom spray arm is
simpler -- it's all plastic and just "clicks" into position. The upper
spray arm is slightly more complicated. The central hub is formed of
three interlocking snap-together parts: 1) the long arm; 2) the
bayonet-lock disc with o-ring; 3) the centre hole piece. The upper
spray arm has a bayonet/"screw on" way of being attached. When I
cleaned the upper arm, I had to pull out six or so hairs that were
wrapped around the bayonet disc and centre-hole piece that form the hub.
When the arm is assembled at the factory, the centre-hole snaps into
the arm -- trapping and securing the bayonet-lock disc -- in such a way
that you can't get at the snaps again to disassemble it. It makes it a
bugger to clean the hub of hairs that have gotten wrapped around there!
I have soaked the upper spray arm in hot vinegar for 12 hours.
**** If anyone has a Beko dishwasher, I would be most grateful if
you could post the results of flicking the upper and lower spray arms on
your machine. (Be prepared for a few drops of water to fly out!) How
many complete revolutions does each do when you give a good flick with
the thumb or finger? ****
With kind regards,
Sandy
Graham.
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I had almost the exact same symptoms on my dishwasher, unknown make but
not Beco, and also posted here. Had the same concerns as you about friction etc.
I could find no actual fault and a cure was
found by cleaning out the sump filter and running the machine empty (of dishes)
for a few cycles. I think it was a build-up of grease in the pipe that feeds the
water spigot at the top of the machine. It looked as though the volume of
water pouring into the top spray-arm was sufficient, but clearly it needed a little more
to rotate it reliably.
--
Graham.
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Does the upper arm get its water from a tube from the main pump, or
does it get its water from an extendable center post that comes up
from the center of the bottom washer arm when the water is under
pressure. The upper arm should spin "freely". How do you get hairs
in a dishwasher???
Bod
Stop washing your dog in the machine? :-)
Bod
Lobster
> I have a Beko "DE 2541 FX" slimline dishwasher. The upper arm is
> not turning/spinning/rotating, even though water pours out the spray
> arm's holes.
>
> I have thoroughly cleaned the entire dishwasher compartment: the
> door, the inside walls, the sump and filters, the upper and lower trays,
> the arms, just about everything.
I'd still strongly recommend you run it on an empty cycle using one of
those 'deep clean' bottles of dishwasher cleaner on as hot/long a cycle
as possible. I was very scornful of those until I was advised to use
them every couple of months by a dishwasher engineer after I was
suffering similar symptoms to you.... when he visited to repair ours, he
found pipes almost completely clogged with grease, which you wouldn't
get at unless you took the machine apart.
I now use them regularly with much better results than before.
David
HeyBub
> I'd still strongly recommend you run it on an empty cycle using one of
> those 'deep clean' bottles of dishwasher cleaner on as hot/long a
> cycle as possible. I was very scornful of those until I was advised
> to use them every couple of months by a dishwasher engineer after I
> was suffering similar symptoms to you.... when he visited to repair
> ours, he found pipes almost completely clogged with grease, which you
> wouldn't get at unless you took the machine apart.
>
> I now use them regularly with much better results than before.
>
Second that. My dishwasher occasionally leaked and it was a devil to find.
Turned out the water-level sensor was so caked with grease, chicken-fat,
raisin rinds, and other effluvia that the float would STICK in the down
position and more water would be supplied, eventually running out on the
floor!
There's nasty down in there. Nasty with a capital NAS.
Usenet
> I tried using one a month ago. I was having problems where glassware
> was coming out very spotted. I did some investigating and found
> loads of grease below the metal filter at the bottom. I removed the
> lower spray arm, the filter scree, cleaned everything I could get
> to. But, I figured there must be even more in places I can't get
> to. So, I bought the cleaner, which seems to consist of citric
> acid. Ran it with the hottest water I could get and added extra heat
> cycle.
>
> After doing the manual clean and using the cleaner, the next few loads
> were better than previous, but still not real good. After that,
> things got back to normal. So, can't say for sure if it was the
> manual cleaning, the cleaner. More likely it was a combo of the two.
>
> Another conclusion I've come to is to at least occasionally use very
> hot water right from the start and select extra heat. Normally, the
> dishes come out fine if I just start the dishwasher on a normal cycle
> and don't let the faucet run to get hot water there. It;s a long run
> to the water heater, and I'm sure the first cycle is tepid at best,
> the second is still probably not at 130 either. I really didn't care
> because the dishes were coming out clean and I figured I'm saving
> energy. But I would suspect that over time that might allow grease
> to build-up because the water isn't hot enough to keep it suspended.
>
> To the OP, it would seem to me the upper arm should spin about freely
> by hand. If it isn't I would suspect that either there is some
> material in there or something has worn out.
Here I am completing this thread round full circle to some sort of
resolution. (Am I the only one who hates searching through pages and
pages of group threads, not one of which gets a real answer or a hint of
a resolution??!)...
...I have run my dishwasher three times in succession (using Earth
Friendly Products "Wave" citric acid based auto dishwasher gel) at the
longest, two hour, hottest water setting (70C in my case) --
-- And it worked! After the first two goes, I noticed that the
upper spray arm had changed position, and was delighted to find, at the
end of the cycle, that the upper spray arm could be sent spinning round
and round much more freely.
I'm vegetarian, with spring water, and pre-scrubbed the crockery
before loading, and have -- until now -- used nothing but hot water in
the dishwasher. (I eat eggs and dairy. It's difficult to get problems
with solid fats and grease as a vegetarian.) I cleaned the filters and
grid every six months or so.
However, over the course of three years, the dishwasher had got
slightly grungy. This must have gradually made the upper spray arm stop
turning.
So, to recap, running the dishwasher 3 times in succession on the
hottest 70C, two-hour cycle, using either plain vinegar or a citric acid
gel has cleaned everything out, and the spray arms both turn. The
dishwasher is now working properly.
From now on I'm going to regularly use the citric acid gel cleaner,
and to run the hot/long cleaning cycle every so often.
I've had to discover for myself:
Good maintenance really is the key.
Hope this helps in advance,
Sandy
P.S.
> Does the upper arm get its water from a tube from the main pump, or
> does it get its water from an extendable center post that comes up
> from the center of the bottom washer arm when the water is under
> pressure. The upper arm should spin "freely". How do you get hairs
> in a dishwasher???
From a tube system from the main pump. I realize that everyone
gets the odd hair or two in the dishwasher. However, I'm guessing that
with the caustic highly alkali cleaners people use, the hairs get
dissolved and disintegrate.
spamlet
I expect you will find, for future reference, that the plastic whirly bits
all pull out for cleaning quite easily - ours do - then the holes can be
poked out before steeping them in acid. Our local Asian 'delis' sell citric
by the kilo, and I find a 20% solution of this is great for cleaning all
sorts of things - sprayed on taps/bath etc. Mind u it is a good idea to
descale the parts of the m/c you can't get at, your way too.
Once stayed somewhere where the dishwasher stank if it wasn't used every
day. Ordinary bleach seemed to get at the parts official cleaners couldn't
reach, when used instead of the detergent, and did eventually get rid of the
stink.
S
ss
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it was gunk inside the arm that had blocked some of the jets.
It wasnt obvious at first as they looked clear but the pressure of the water
when the machine was running pushed the gunk forward to block some of the
jets and then slid back when idle.
I eventually managed to disassmble the arm and in both they were full of
crap.
I also have to look out for my other half as i am sure she thinks the
machine doubles as a waste disposal unit or she puts things that are too
high and stops the arm spinning, those problems I cant cure :-(
HeyBub
bob haller
> Add TSP to the dishwashing powder
Steve Barker
inclined to watch it. (one cup)
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> Add TSP to the dishwashing powder.
>
N8N
wrote:
also sold in powder form for paint-prep cleanup. Works really well.
Unfortunately, being a phosphate, it acts as a fertilizer when it gets
into waterways, so it is banned in many areas (like mine.)
Unfortunately, a suitable replacement has yet to be found, so laundry
and washing dishes is more challenging these days.
nate
tom
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> > Add TSP to the dishwashing powder.
>
> What's TSP ?
>>and washing dishes is more challenging these days.
Erik
<c944adef-8a50-4af0...@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisodium_phosphate>
Erik
notbob
>> What's TSP ?
>
> Trisodium Phosphate, useta be a common ingredient in detergents, and
> also sold in powder form for paint-prep cleanup. Works really well.
> Unfortunately, being a phosphate, it acts as a fertilizer when it gets
> into waterways, so it is banned in many areas (like mine.)
the pollution issue, though. It was still available at Och Sply H/W
stores last I looked, but the price was up by a factor of 15X. The
same box I used to buy for less than a dollar now costs closer the
$15!!
nb
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Harry K
how much per dose?
Harry K
tom
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> Trisodium Phosphate, useta be a common ingredient in detergents, and
> also sold in powder form for paint-prep cleanup. Works really well.
> Unfortunately, being a phosphate, it acts as a fertilizer when it gets
> into waterways, so it is banned in many areas (like mine.)
> Unfortunately, a suitable replacement has yet to be found, so laundry
> and washing dishes is more challenging these days.
>
> nate
Iuse the tablets. How would I go about adding TSP to the machine and
how much per dose?
makes a notable difference.
Stormin Mormon
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Stormin Mormon
internet.
As with many things, if it works, it's either banned, prescription, or needs
a government granted license to purchase, posess, or use.
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HeyBub
>
> Iuse the tablets. How would I go about adding TSP to the machine and
> how much per dose?
>
Pour the contents of the box of diswashing powder in a large bowl, add
10-15% (by weight or volume) of TSP.
Mix well.
Return the mixture to the box.*
----
* Cut an "X" in the top of the box, pour from the bowl, via a funnel, back
into the box. Seal the "X" with duct tape.
Bob Minchin
and possibly elsewhere.
Bob
stuart noble
Jim K
Ecotoxicity = Not expected to be toxic to aquatic organisms. "
that's reassuring ;>)
Jim K
ss
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http://www.intralabs.co.uk/trisodium-phosphate.html
Andy Burns
Jim K
whatever that is.....
and "6 Endsleigh Park Road, Plymouth" appears somewhat residential
for a chemical distro.....
Jim K
N8N
> "N8N" <njna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
"Not Available To Members in Phosphate Restricted Areas"
Although, honestly, if you don't let your grey water go into the sewer
(e.g. you let it go to a cistern and use it for watering plants etc.)
I don't see the big deal.
nate
Jim K
Jim K
Steve Barker
the shelf.
Steve Barker
Andy Burns
> On Jan 11, 6:12 pm, Andy Burns<usenet.aug2...@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ss wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.intralabs.co.uk/trisodium-phosphate.html
>>
>> Seems a suspiciously small product range for a chemical distributor ...
>
> mmm tho good to see they stock "Chemically Pure Megnesium Sulphate"
> whatever that is.....
list to see if they included ammonium nitrate, potassium chlorate and
various peroxides as a terrorist 'sting' site!
Jim K
powders......
Jim K
Jim K
OK OK already here's 2 clues "K" "U"
;>))
Jim K
Oren
wrote:
Depot sells both the Red and Green boxes in the paint section.
SAVOGRAN brand:
Red box is real
Green box is a substitute (worthless)
...
What is "knacker"? Does it require the use of an accent?
Just curious....
Jim K
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:32:46 -0800 (PST), Jim K <jk989...@gmail.com>
"knacker verb" JFGI?
all the best y'all
Jim K
HeyBub
> On Jan 11, 6:12 pm, Andy Burns <usenet.aug2...@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>> ss wrote:
>>> Buy here (uk) ?
>>> http://www.intralabs.co.uk/trisodium-phosphate.html
>>
>> Seems a suspiciously small product range for a chemical distributor
>> ...
>
> mmm tho good to see they stock "Chemically Pure Megnesium Sulphate"
> whatever that is.....
>
Nate Nagel
HD it's not *on* the shelf, but they do sell "TSP substitute."
Now I definitely do live in a "phosphate restricted area" (Chesapeake
Bay watershed) but I don't know if that means that you can't buy TSP in
any form, or if it is only prohibited in household detergents. But in
any case, I don't see it on the shelves anymore.
nate
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to the constable, who would send a couple bobbies to bag you and stuff you
in a lorry. Off to the magistrate, who would put ye in for a pound, till yer
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Harry K
Harry K
Harry K
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Mine runs to the septic tank so it should make the little buggies grow
well :)
Harry K
G. Morgan
>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001GOGQW/ref=oh_o01_s00_i01_details
That's for a pound @ $8
For $16 you can get 4.5 pounds:
http://www.amazon.com/SAVOGRAN-CO-10622-4-5LB-Cleaner/dp/B000AXE7CY/ref=pd_sim_hg_1
Jim K
Jim K
Andy Burns
Jim K
Harry K
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>
>
> > Trisodium Phosphate, useta be a common ingredient in detergents, and
> > also sold in powder form for paint-prep cleanup. Works really well.
> > Unfortunately, being a phosphate, it acts as a fertilizer when it gets
> > into waterways, so it is banned in many areas (like mine.)
> > and washing dishes is more challenging these days.
>
> Iuse the tablets. How would I go about adding TSP to the machine and
> how much per dose?
>
> makes a notable difference.
It works! Or at least the first dose made a big inroad in cleaning it
up. I'll run an 'empty' load tonight.
Thank's again to all of ya.
Harry K
Jim K
> On 2012-01-12, Tim Streater <timstrea...@greenbee.net> wrote:
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>
>
> > In article <9n8n4uFt8...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Fuck that.
>
> Don't you mean "Phuck that"?
oh FPS.....;>)
Jim K
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Stormin Mormon
When I was a kid, that's what STP meant, Stinky Toilet Paper. Two
generations later, I have learned that STP is Scientifically Treated
Petroleum. I'll probably learn what TSP means, in another generation.
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The Natural Philosopher
> Toilet Stinky Paper?
>
> When I was a kid, that's what STP meant, Stinky Toilet Paper. Two
> generations later, I have learned that STP is Scientifically Treated
> Petroleum. I'll probably learn what TSP means, in another generation.
>
Peace - a really nasty heavy duty psychedelic.
"Back in the 60's substance DOM (2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine) was
referred to as STP.
"This compound, unbeknownst to me, was scattered widely and plentifully
in the heyday of the Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, in mid-1967. It
was distributed under the name STP, which was said to stand for
Serenity, Tranquility, and Peace. It was also claimed to represent Super
Terrific Psychedelic, or Stop The Police. The police called it: Too
Stupid to Puke. Actually, the name was taken from the initials of a
motor additive which was completely unrelated chemically. Incredibly,
and sadly, one of the avowed experts in the area of the "sensuous drugs"
actually stated that STP, the motor oil additive, was really one and the
same as STP, the highly dangerous psychedelic. The motor oil additive,
he wrote in a book of his, had properties somewhat related to those of
LSD, mescaline, and the amphetamines. How fortunate that the love
children of the time didn't do much reading, for they might have gotten
into yet deeper pharmacological troubles with drug raids on the local
gasoline stations."
See: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal068.shtml
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> Or Terribly Silly Page.
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> Brian
>
>
>
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To people who know too much, it is a sad fact
that they know how little is really possible -
and how hard it is to achieve it.
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>Toilet Stinky Paper?
>
>When I was a kid, that's what STP meant, Stinky Toilet Paper. Two
>generations later, I have learned that STP is Scientifically Treated
>Petroleum. I'll probably learn what TSP means, in another generation.
normal "sea level" pressure (~14.5psi). ...or a motor oil.