06.03.2011 02:29:39 --> ValkaTR (food@FUR-CA3208BA.cable.infonet.ee) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 02:29:39 -- Nicks ##fur-dev: [@ValkaTR] 06.03.2011 02:29:39 -- Channel ##fur-dev: 1 nick (1 op, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normals) 06.03.2011 02:29:41 -- Channel created on Вск, 06 Мар 2011 02:29:48 06.03.2011 11:28:06 irc: disconnected from server 06.03.2011 11:28:43 --> ValkaTR (food@dhcp-84-52-15-103.cable.infonet.ee) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 11:28:43 -- Nicks ##fur-dev: [@ValkaTR] 06.03.2011 11:28:43 -- Channel ##fur-dev: 1 nick (1 op, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normals) 06.03.2011 11:28:47 -- Channel created on Вск, 06 Мар 2011 11:28:52 06.03.2011 19:01:23 --> Cheshire (ac@E0EBFADA.7B88684E.2178A09D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 19:03:03 Cheshire Gah, I can't use this damn web client. 06.03.2011 19:05:22 --> Cheshire1 (~Cheshire@E0EBFADA.7B88684E.2178A09D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 19:05:29 Cheshire1 Great 06.03.2011 19:05:34 Cheshire1 the other me is still loged in 06.03.2011 19:08:59 <-- Cheshire (ac@E0EBFADA.7B88684E.2178A09D.IP) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 06.03.2011 19:13:19 -- Cheshire1 is now known as Cheshire 06.03.2011 19:14:43 Cheshire So ValkaTR, are you apart of the ufm team? 06.03.2011 19:14:54 @ValkaTR hi 06.03.2011 19:15:16 Cheshire I guess hi is an answer :o :P 06.03.2011 19:15:24 @ValkaTR kinda, i just made the "cricetida" 06.03.2011 19:15:36 Cheshire How is that pronounced? 06.03.2011 19:16:18 Cheshire And what language is it written in? 06.03.2011 19:16:24 Cheshire Also, I'm Theyain. But lately I 06.03.2011 19:16:29 Cheshire 've beenb going by Cheshire 06.03.2011 19:16:31 Cheshire or Cheshire Fox 06.03.2011 19:17:03 @ValkaTR it is hamster, in latin, im'a mouse, like mouse and stuff ^^' 06.03.2011 19:18:15 Cheshire Cool. now what language is the program written in> L:P 06.03.2011 19:18:33 @ValkaTR pure C 06.03.2011 19:19:31 Cheshire ouch. I don't know any C. I know some C++ and other langauges, but C's lack of OOP has made me not to interested in learning it. 06.03.2011 19:19:43 Cheshire yes, C is fast 06.03.2011 19:19:48 Cheshire and robust 06.03.2011 19:20:28 Cheshire Anywho, If you'll excuse me, I am going to be afk to go get food and clean house 06.03.2011 19:20:29 @ValkaTR i don't understand OOP, i tried it ... it confuses a lot 06.03.2011 19:20:44 @ValkaTR ok 06.03.2011 19:22:38 Cheshire The idea behind OOP is program security. You have one part of the program (the object) that can only be called by another part of the program (the function). This prevents you and the program from making mistakes and allows other things, like memory management. 06.03.2011 19:23:09 Cheshire anywho, like I said, afk :P 06.03.2011 19:23:42 Cheshire btw, thats an extremely simplified version of OOP 06.03.2011 19:23:59 Cheshire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming#Overview explains it very nicely 06.03.2011 19:24:48 @ValkaTR maybe, but for a single user project it makes a lot of uncomfortable moments in places where you don't expect 06.03.2011 19:25:37 @ValkaTR you have to design whole program it very very in detailed way, what classes are needed, how they interact with each other before starting 06.03.2011 20:06:04 Cheshire That's only partially true. Most (from what I've seen and have been taught) write down how the program is suppose to work (a spec), then as they're actually programming it they work out the much finer details. The nice thing about OOP is that if there is something you thought of that needs to be done but wasn't apart of your original plan, all you gotta do is just add in a new function and it's call. There's no need to go "oh shit oh 06.03.2011 20:07:22 Cheshire I'm fairly certain its possible to do OOP in C, but C lacks some things that make OOP easy in C++ (don't ask me what, I can't think of them. 06.03.2011 20:07:27 @ValkaTR well, it's forgivable for me, i'm electrician, not a programmer :p 06.03.2011 20:07:52 Cheshire Well, by trade, I'm a Maintenance Technician :P 06.03.2011 20:08:07 Cheshire I'm going to go to school for computer/processor/GPU engineering. 06.03.2011 20:08:21 @ValkaTR woah 06.03.2011 20:09:03 Cheshire think of it as electrical engineering, but with extremely low level programming and much much smaller capacitors, diodes and what nut :P 06.03.2011 20:09:14 Cheshire lmao 06.03.2011 20:09:16 Cheshire what nut 06.03.2011 20:10:46 @ValkaTR yea, i know that, but when you programm a core on VHDL you don't think about transistors or capacitor 06.03.2011 20:12:54 Cheshire yeah, but I won't be doing just programming. I'll literally be designing chips. I honestly can't wait :D 06.03.2011 20:12:57 Cheshire makes me giddy 06.03.2011 20:13:20 @ValkaTR well, have you tried doing simulations? 06.03.2011 20:14:52 Cheshire No sadly. The most I've ever done was figuring out how to make a calculator in Phun 06.03.2011 20:14:59 Cheshire Was a bitch 06.03.2011 20:15:01 Cheshire to say the least 06.03.2011 20:15:13 Cheshire it added and subtracked. 06.03.2011 20:15:25 Cheshire Anywho 06.03.2011 20:15:27 Cheshire I have to go 06.03.2011 20:15:32 Cheshire gotta go to walmart 06.03.2011 20:15:39 Cheshire I'll be back in time for the meeting though 06.03.2011 20:15:43 @ValkaTR k 06.03.2011 20:15:49 Cheshire Which is in what, 45 minutes, right? 06.03.2011 20:16:08 @ValkaTR i'm not sure :s 06.03.2011 20:16:12 @ValkaTR also 06.03.2011 20:16:22 @ValkaTR 20:15:49 Cheshire | Which is in what, 45 minutes, right? 06.03.2011 20:16:33 Cheshire he said it would be 19:00 GMT 06.03.2011 20:16:43 Cheshire I think thats in 45 06.03.2011 20:16:46 Cheshire anywho 06.03.2011 20:17:01 Cheshire walmart time. Tell the guy who's name I can't recall how to spell, that I may be 10 minutes late 06.03.2011 20:17:03 Cheshire I'll try not to be 06.03.2011 20:17:11 @ValkaTR ok 06.03.2011 20:17:29 Cheshire he runs ufm 06.03.2011 20:17:36 @ValkaTR if you're talking about "Сергей", then spell it as Sergei :> 06.03.2011 20:20:10 Cheshire him, yes 06.03.2011 20:27:45 <-- Cheshire (~Cheshire@E0EBFADA.7B88684E.2178A09D.IP) has quit (Ping timeout) 06.03.2011 20:46:59 --> Admc (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 20:52:20 <-- Admc (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 06.03.2011 20:56:49 --> Admc (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 20:58:47 --> WebGuest9026 (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 20:59:41 --> AdmcPL (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 20:59:57 <-- AdmcPL (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has left ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:01:40 --> Admc2 (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:02:06 <-- Admc2 (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has left ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:02:12 <-- Admc (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 06.03.2011 21:04:09 <-- WebGuest9026 (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 06.03.2011 21:08:12 --> Admc (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:10:04 --> linkthegamer (~linkthega@FUR-D48A73A7.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:10:50 linkthegamer sorry i'm late 06.03.2011 21:11:09 Admc there's nobony jet 06.03.2011 21:11:17 Admc i don't know why 06.03.2011 21:11:32 linkthegamer yeah 06.03.2011 21:12:08 linkthegamer theyain appears to be gone too 06.03.2011 21:13:35 --> foxofinfinety (~foxofinfi@FUR-847BA240.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:13:51 linkthegamer hi fofty 06.03.2011 21:14:09 foxofinfinety hello link 06.03.2011 21:14:14 foxofinfinety and all others 06.03.2011 21:14:27 @ValkaTR eep eep 06.03.2011 21:14:49 foxofinfinety and I think theyain got lost on his virtual driveway again... 06.03.2011 21:14:52 foxofinfinety :P 06.03.2011 21:15:10 Admc lol 06.03.2011 21:15:55 Admc wait a sec 06.03.2011 21:15:59 <-- Admc (ac@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has left ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:16:06 --> AdmcPL (~adam@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:16:13 -- AdmcPL is now known as Admc 06.03.2011 21:16:25 Admc test 06.03.2011 21:16:33 @ValkaTR ok 06.03.2011 21:16:45 Admc it works! 06.03.2011 21:16:54 @ValkaTR awesome dude 06.03.2011 21:17:24 --> Cheshire (~Cheshire@E0EBFADA.7B88684E.2178A09D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:17:32 Cheshire Alrighty, I'm here 06.03.2011 21:17:37 Cheshire Sorry about that 06.03.2011 21:17:38 Admc hiii :3 06.03.2011 21:17:45 Cheshire Cheshire == Theyain 06.03.2011 21:17:46 linkthegamer no problem 06.03.2011 21:17:47 Cheshire just to let you know 06.03.2011 21:17:51 linkthegamer yay 06.03.2011 21:17:55 linkthegamer good 06.03.2011 21:17:56 foxofinfinety since when did you get a other name? 06.03.2011 21:18:13 Cheshire foxofinfinety: since about Halloween. 06.03.2011 21:18:35 Cheshire alrighty 06.03.2011 21:18:43 Cheshire So where's Sergei? 06.03.2011 21:18:57 foxofinfinety @cheshire, "halloween" is not actually anything other then a name to me.. 06.03.2011 21:19:19 Cheshire Around oct 31 06.03.2011 21:19:22 Cheshire of last year 06.03.2011 21:19:29 foxofinfinety ok 06.03.2011 21:19:48 linkthegamer my sister is bitching 0_0 06.03.2011 21:19:51 foxofinfinety and I have no idea where sergie is, I figured you'd be the last in to join... 06.03.2011 21:20:04 foxofinfinety @link, what a bitch..:P 06.03.2011 21:20:08 @ValkaTR i wrote him a PM in jabber 06.03.2011 21:20:27 Cheshire linkthegamer: enough with the incest :o 06.03.2011 21:20:31 @ValkaTR lol, looks like he forgot 06.03.2011 21:20:39 foxofinfinety here we go again... 06.03.2011 21:20:45 --> shnatsel (~shnatsel@77CA8CA0.63C2E864.4DFE986B.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:20:46 Cheshire omg, he forgot? 06.03.2011 21:20:50 Admc finally 06.03.2011 21:20:54 linkthegamer yesh 06.03.2011 21:20:56 Admc hi Сергей 06.03.2011 21:20:56 shnatsel Sorry guys :( 06.03.2011 21:20:59 -- Cheshire is now known as cheshire_fox 06.03.2011 21:20:59 foxofinfinety @theyain, you did yesterday! 06.03.2011 21:21:02 shnatsel Hi everybody! 06.03.2011 21:21:08 cheshire_fox foxofinfinety: No I didn't, I was at work :P 06.03.2011 21:21:08 foxofinfinety hello 06.03.2011 21:21:15 cheshire_fox Hi :3 06.03.2011 21:21:34 foxofinfinety you did! I asked why you wheren't there and you at first didn't know what I meant! 06.03.2011 21:21:52 cheshire_fox foxofinfinety: cause you were bein' vague 06.03.2011 21:21:55 cheshire_fox Anywho 06.03.2011 21:21:59 cheshire_fox First things first 06.03.2011 21:22:04 foxofinfinety -_- I really need to replace that powermac's battery... 06.03.2011 21:22:28 cheshire_fox What is the order of the topics we're going to discuss or does it not matter to all of us? 06.03.2011 21:22:44 foxofinfinety I think name first 06.03.2011 21:23:00 -- Mode ##fur-dev [+o shnatsel] by ValkaTR 06.03.2011 21:23:11 cheshire_fox nice ValkaTR :P 06.03.2011 21:23:14 @shnatsel :) 06.03.2011 21:23:21 linkthegamer Soul might be joining us soon 06.03.2011 21:23:23 @ValkaTR eep eep? :> 06.03.2011 21:23:33 foxofinfinety meep meep? 06.03.2011 21:23:34 foxofinfinety :P 06.03.2011 21:23:38 @shnatsel ValkaTR, thanks for calling me :) 06.03.2011 21:23:54 * ValkaTR = Мышонак (mousekin) 06.03.2011 21:24:19 linkthegamer hugs Mousekin 06.03.2011 21:24:20 @shnatsel mouseling I think 06.03.2011 21:24:33 cheshire_fox mouse kin as in otherkin? 06.03.2011 21:24:37 linkthegamer i know i know that name X3 06.03.2011 21:24:44 @shnatsel translations differ :) 06.03.2011 21:24:53 foxofinfinety anyway, about the point we're actually have the meeting for... 06.03.2011 21:24:59 foxofinfinety or points actually 06.03.2011 21:25:10 cheshire_fox Yes, we do need to get on topic 06.03.2011 21:25:16 -- cheshire_fox has changed topic for ##fur-dev to "LETS STAY ON TOPIC" 06.03.2011 21:25:42 -- cheshire_fox has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "LETS STAY ON TOPIC" to "Name." 06.03.2011 21:25:46 @shnatsel Mailing list discussion and open letter are available at http://groups.google.com/group/ufurmix/browse_thread/thread/9c353e44554f6d2b 06.03.2011 21:27:12 @shnatsel Some reasons pro and against staying with "CreatureS" are listed there 06.03.2011 21:28:00 Admc AFAIK we can't use Ufurmix anymore because of Cannonical trademark 06.03.2011 21:28:03 --> SoulRetriever (~Soul@A7D3E874.810AAADF.DD364119.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:28:14 foxofinfinety about which 06.03.2011 21:28:15 foxofinfinety Changing brand reflects the change of philosophy: you switched from Furbuntu 06.03.2011 21:28:15 foxofinfinety to CreatureS because the philosophy has changed. Now it changes again, and 06.03.2011 21:28:15 foxofinfinety the very core of the project is changing too 06.03.2011 21:28:37 @shnatsel Because of Ubuntu trademark policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy 06.03.2011 21:29:00 foxofinfinety is not entirely true, the pholosophy has never really changed, that has always been to make a furry OS, but we never specified one specific way of doing so 06.03.2011 21:29:22 Admc I think we shouldn't change names so often 06.03.2011 21:29:37 cheshire_fox Crazed Foxx is right. I'm really good at builting teams and getting th ball going, I *suck* at actually getting that ball to become anything. 06.03.2011 21:29:40 Admc some time ago I was searching for furry OS 06.03.2011 21:30:11 foxofinfinety and? 06.03.2011 21:30:27 Admc and I firstly found creatures page but i noticed it's not released yet, secondly i found ufurmix 06.03.2011 21:30:28 linkthegamer there was the defunct furries_using_linux project 06.03.2011 21:30:55 Admc creatures is already known name 06.03.2011 21:32:04 foxofinfinety indeed, google indexes by popularity 06.03.2011 21:32:04 foxofinfinety also, even if I change name, we will still need to keep the creaturesystem.org domain, it's just been paid and a 1yr contract, even if we don't use it, it will still be there, as it is now the first in the results, that would be negative for a new name, since it would get lower in the results 06.03.2011 21:32:13 foxofinfinety *even if we 06.03.2011 21:32:27 foxofinfinety that "I" was supposed to be in a other window... 06.03.2011 21:33:12 @shnatsel Putting big banners "MERGED INTO OPENFUR" on main pages of both project should be a sufficient search redirect. 06.03.2011 21:33:31 foxofinfinety possable, but redirects are prettymuch the last thing you want to see when using google 06.03.2011 21:33:50 cheshire_fox shnatsel: He's right. Redirects greatly lower your index score on google 06.03.2011 21:34:23 foxofinfinety besides that, I, presonally, really am going crazy from them coming up everytime, and then I don't follow the redirect, but I leave, which we don't want our visitors to do 06.03.2011 21:34:46 @shnatsel And I hope the collaborative OS will quickly become more popular than any of its ancestors, so it should not be a problem 06.03.2011 21:34:52 foxofinfinety also openfur already exist 06.03.2011 21:34:55 foxofinfinety that would be us 06.03.2011 21:35:03 cheshire_fox OpenFur is our dev name 06.03.2011 21:35:05 cheshire_fox dev team name* 06.03.2011 21:35:07 @shnatsel that was just a placeholder :) 06.03.2011 21:35:31 foxofinfinety not that we have anything agianst the name...:P 06.03.2011 21:35:56 @shnatsel So why make a different team name? It scatters your google rank between two search terms :P 06.03.2011 21:36:04 @ValkaTR xenius whined that ufurmix includes some proprietary stuff, how we can call ourselves Open? :> 06.03.2011 21:36:22 @shnatsel It will not since 11.04 06.03.2011 21:36:28 @shnatsel There's no need in that anymore 06.03.2011 21:36:39 @shnatsel We could drop that at 10.10 06.03.2011 21:36:46 @shnatsel But we never made 10.10 06.03.2011 21:36:49 Admc I'm sure that standard user don't care about that 06.03.2011 21:36:57 @shnatsel Focused on 11.04 instead 06.03.2011 21:37:19 Admc for standard userOS should work 06.03.2011 21:37:20 @shnatsel I think he's the only one who has noticed that so far :) 06.03.2011 21:37:21 cheshire_fox hey guys, give me a second 06.03.2011 21:37:21 foxofinfinety most users will just want it to "work" and many like it's opensource, but they don't care if one or two programs are not 06.03.2011 21:37:27 cheshire_fox typing out something big 06.03.2011 21:37:38 foxofinfinety ok 06.03.2011 21:38:24 @ValkaTR you're right 06.03.2011 21:39:08 * linkthegamer lays on channel couch 06.03.2011 21:39:19 cheshire_fox I think there might be some mis understanding going on in ufm. I'm still reading the mailing list discussion and it seems Crazed Foxx is hinting at that some of you guys think that the ufm project will be 'handed over' to the OpenFur team. Thats not quite true. One of the things I personally would like to do is, if this merging does actually happen, Is I would like to step down as project leader. I would instead like to be group 06.03.2011 21:40:06 @ValkaTR about applications. since furries are an artist, we need a list of suitable tablets for linux, and i had problems finding network painter like openCanvas 06.03.2011 21:40:18 @shnatsel I also announced that I'm stepping down as a project leader after 10.04 release. 06.03.2011 21:41:07 Admc why shnatsel (~shnatsel@77CA8CA0.63C2E864.4DFE986B.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 21:48:52 -- Mode ##fur-dev [+o shnatsel] by ValkaTR 06.03.2011 21:49:05 @shnatsel did I miss anything? 06.03.2011 21:49:09 cheshire_fox no 06.03.2011 21:49:10 Admc no 06.03.2011 21:49:12 Admc lol 06.03.2011 21:49:12 foxofinfinety I'm seeing three things on that page, and, about redirecting, I already said, not if we don't have to, it would be bad for us more then do us any good 06.03.2011 21:49:46 foxofinfinety with a re-direct google will automatically lower you in the results, and many users will find the redirect irritiating rather then follow it 06.03.2011 21:49:50 linkthegamer for 06.03.2011 21:49:56 cheshire_fox enough about the redirecting. We already covered that. 06.03.2011 21:50:03 @shnatsel right 06.03.2011 21:50:20 linkthegamer yesh 06.03.2011 21:50:38 SoulRetriever i'm for it 06.03.2011 21:50:51 cheshire_fox Where is this Crazed Foxx guy, I think it would be good if He could be in here 06.03.2011 21:51:35 @shnatsel he's offline in other chats... that's a pity. 06.03.2011 21:52:09 Admc I noticed that he's using calibri font 06.03.2011 21:52:10 @ValkaTR but doesn't that mean if we name it as CreatureS then we will have to drop ubuntu repository? 06.03.2011 21:52:22 foxofinfinety a small going over, me = for, Admc = for, ValkTR = for, shnatsel = against(?), link = for, theyain = whatever 06.03.2011 21:52:25 @shnatsel No. it doesn't 06.03.2011 21:52:28 Admc calibri is propetary font used in ms office 06.03.2011 21:52:35 @ValkaTR ohmy, Calibri... traitor! 06.03.2011 21:53:02 Admc so he's probably using outlook express = he's using windows! 06.03.2011 21:53:22 foxofinfinety so am I ATM, sometimes one doens't get to choose 06.03.2011 21:53:37 @ValkaTR or even worse: windos 7 ULTIMATE 06.03.2011 21:53:38 foxofinfinety (mubles about non-functional RAID controller...) 06.03.2011 21:53:46 Admc LOL! 06.03.2011 21:53:51 foxofinfinety ah, yeah about that.... 06.03.2011 21:53:57 @shnatsel I'm gonna write a long post, give me some time... 06.03.2011 21:54:28 SoulRetriever i'm using win7 pro ._. 06.03.2011 21:54:42 @shnatsel Well, I'll copy-paste a part of my mailing list post first 06.03.2011 21:54:45 @shnatsel Moreover, CreatureS brand is controversial. I'm afraid too many people lost 06.03.2011 21:54:45 @shnatsel faith in CreatureS due to lack of actual tangible achievements. And not many 06.03.2011 21:54:45 @shnatsel people believe in "based-on-nothing" distribution with which CreatureS brand 06.03.2011 21:54:45 @shnatsel is associated. So changing brand is more likely to restore faith in the 06.03.2011 21:54:45 @shnatsel project. 06.03.2011 21:54:46 linkthegamer 7 home premium atm 06.03.2011 21:54:56 @shnatsel Ubuntu 10.10 :P 06.03.2011 21:55:00 foxofinfinety ultimate here, and 32-bit, which isn't good with my PC... 06.03.2011 21:55:18 foxofinfinety and about losing fait 06.03.2011 21:55:19 @ValkaTR <= Gentoo Linux, XFCE4 06.03.2011 21:55:23 linkthegamer 64 bit for me 06.03.2011 21:55:28 @shnatsel Fear ValkaTR! 06.03.2011 21:55:37 @shnatsel He has GENTOO!!! 06.03.2011 21:55:40 * cheshire_fox is using his brain 06.03.2011 21:55:47 linkthegamer i built LFS 06.03.2011 21:55:48 Admc hey, to people who are using xchat, what is this progress bar in right-bottom corner? 06.03.2011 21:55:57 foxofinfinety we get around 500 users on the site every month, nand the same IP's keep coming back 06.03.2011 21:55:57 foxofinfinety @cheshire_fox: that is new! 06.03.2011 21:55:58 @ValkaTR Lagometer 06.03.2011 21:56:07 Admc O_o 06.03.2011 21:56:09 linkthegamer working on getting gentoo and arch working 06.03.2011 21:56:15 foxofinfinety measures LAG 06.03.2011 21:56:26 foxofinfinety or latency actually, LAG actually isn't the correct term 06.03.2011 21:56:56 foxofinfinety anyway, we do get a lot of users coming back to see if there's any progress, if they had lost fate, they wouldn't come back 06.03.2011 21:57:11 Admc anyway, TOPIC! 06.03.2011 21:57:23 @shnatsel But you can't measure how many you've lost already. 06.03.2011 21:57:47 Admc we are waiting for shnatsel opinion 06.03.2011 21:57:51 @shnatsel It may be 1/2 of visitors, or 20 times as much as visitors 06.03.2011 21:58:16 @shnatsel I copy-pasted part of my opinion from the mailing list earlier 06.03.2011 21:58:20 cheshire_fox shnatsel: Actually, since the time Dragoneer tweeted about us, our overall amout of returning and unique visitors has been much higher. 06.03.2011 21:58:40 foxofinfinety it can't be, I can all stats since we started the site, before that tweet we had just around 3xx, it went up since 06.03.2011 21:58:49 foxofinfinety *I can see 06.03.2011 21:58:56 @shnatsel A redirect should be sufficient IMO... the point is in merging the user base too. 06.03.2011 21:59:49 foxofinfinety can be, but in any case I am NOT setting up a redirect, and I'm the only one with FTP access to creaturesystem.org, and I'm also the only one who can acess the DNS, a redirect is the WORSTE you can do, then rather notify the users via the mailing list 06.03.2011 22:00:13 cheshire_fox Another poit to consider 06.03.2011 22:00:36 foxofinfinety in any case a redirect is not a good way to do that, that would lose us visitors 06.03.2011 22:00:52 @shnatsel http://go-oo.org/ merged into LibreOffice and their manner of redirection worked fine 06.03.2011 22:01:04 @shnatsel But now their website is broken 06.03.2011 22:01:10 foxofinfinety that is worked doens't mean it's a good idea 06.03.2011 22:01:50 @shnatsel I guess ideas that work are sufficient for us at this point :) 06.03.2011 22:02:08 foxofinfinety if you manage to get a redirect up, yes, but like I said, I'm not making it 06.03.2011 22:02:15 cheshire_fox Honestly shnatsel, I am not entirely sure why you want to do a redirect so badly 06.03.2011 22:02:58 @shnatsel Hmm, I should explain what I mean by "redirect" first 06.03.2011 22:03:24 @shnatsel It's not domain-level redirect or something like that 06.03.2011 22:04:05 @shnatsel Just put on the main page a short notice that work continues under a different brand, visit site by clicking here 06.03.2011 22:04:44 foxofinfinety I know, but like I said, if I would see that, I'd leave, not click, and google will lower the search ratering for that just as much as for a domain-level redirect 06.03.2011 22:05:29 Admc What about frame? 06.03.2011 22:05:46 Admc I hope you know what i mean 06.03.2011 22:05:53 cheshire_fox iframe? 06.03.2011 22:06:01 @shnatsel Why you'd leave? If I'd know that a slowly-moving project evolved into something new and better, I'd rejoice and definitely see what's the progress. 06.03.2011 22:06:02 cheshire_fox those are clunky and extremely badly done. 06.03.2011 22:06:43 foxofinfinety a frame is literly the last thing you'd get me to upload... 06.03.2011 22:06:44 cheshire_fox wouldn't that be same if the project just merged with another group? 06.03.2011 22:06:57 Admc i thought about some banner on top like "merged with creatures" and creatures site loading in frame 06.03.2011 22:07:15 cheshire_fox with out changing name? 06.03.2011 22:07:43 cheshire_fox Yes, some people have lost faith. But thats not going to change whether we change our name or not 06.03.2011 22:07:46 foxofinfinety if you really want to get rid of google, use a frame.... 06.03.2011 22:07:46 foxofinfinety it's also bad practise, I did a HTML course and we actually had to primce the teacher not to use frames, ever 06.03.2011 22:07:56 @shnatsel The point is in taking the best from both projects and discarding the rest. 06.03.2011 22:07:57 @ValkaTR i don't see a problem at all. just start the development, inform little by little 06.03.2011 22:07:58 @shnatsel CreatureS is famous for some things and infamous for other things. 06.03.2011 22:08:18 cheshire_fox infamous? for what? :D 06.03.2011 22:08:21 foxofinfinety maybe, but a new name would be just infamouse 06.03.2011 22:08:27 cheshire_fox I actually find that funny. 06.03.2011 22:08:28 foxofinfinety *infameous 06.03.2011 22:08:32 @shnatsel For the lack of tangible achievements. 06.03.2011 22:08:53 Admc O_o it's hard-to-speak name for me 06.03.2011 22:08:55 @shnatsel For being vaporware, if I put it straight. 06.03.2011 22:09:02 linkthegamer we actually did build the base 06.03.2011 22:09:17 @shnatsel Nobody saw it, ever 06.03.2011 22:09:18 cheshire_fox shnatsel: thats when you kick that infamous adjective in the nuts with suddenly having a great amount of acticity 06.03.2011 22:09:21 foxofinfinety no offence, shnatsel, but you're point doens't really make sense, a new name means nobody would know us, now over 500 others do 06.03.2011 22:09:31 linkthegamer theyain started and then got piled with work then i finished it in three days 06.03.2011 22:09:49 cheshire_fox anywho 06.03.2011 22:09:52 cheshire_fox the point is 06.03.2011 22:10:02 cheshire_fox changing the name won't rid of us of our bad reputation 06.03.2011 22:10:06 linkthegamer yes 06.03.2011 22:10:09 linkthegamer yes 06.03.2011 22:10:17 cheshire_fox the only way to do that is actually have tangable work 06.03.2011 22:10:18 foxofinfinety indeed, I actually fear it would get worse then 06.03.2011 22:10:27 linkthegamer might make us look worse even 06.03.2011 22:10:36 foxofinfinety a name change then 06.03.2011 22:10:49 @ValkaTR do you care about that everybody should know CreatureS ? i think it's easier to start an little advertisment campaigh 06.03.2011 22:11:03 @ValkaTR than guessing what will happen 06.03.2011 22:11:05 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: You lost me 06.03.2011 22:11:06 @shnatsel Why not? It's not Ufurmix, it's not Creatures. We are starting our reputation from scratch, but not our work. 06.03.2011 22:11:10 @ValkaTR quite unpredictable 06.03.2011 22:11:38 cheshire_fox shnatsel: no, it will be a merge of the two. Reputation wise, both all the good and bad will be apart of the new name 06.03.2011 22:11:52 @shnatsel Yes 06.03.2011 22:11:55 @shnatsel exactly! 06.03.2011 22:12:06 foxofinfinety keep in mind, if you redirect they know what the team is coming from, so that would not affect our reputation in any way 06.03.2011 22:12:11 cheshire_fox but the same is true if you keep the name 06.03.2011 22:12:31 cheshire_fox changing the name doesn't fix anything 06.03.2011 22:12:52 @ValkaTR and doesn't break anything 06.03.2011 22:12:56 @ValkaTR so.. whatever 06.03.2011 22:13:36 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: True, but it's a step that has no real point in being taken. Honestly, like I said earlier, I don't mind if it we change it or not. I'm just pl;aying devil's advocate 06.03.2011 22:13:37 @shnatsel But it won't be vaporware because you can just port ufurmix lucid to natty and call it a new brand and not be vaporware at least for people who don't know about the past and the merge 06.03.2011 22:13:54 foxofinfinety one thing, we have the domain creaturesystem.org, chaning our name means more work to register a new name etc. etc., and other then that it doens't make any differance 06.03.2011 22:14:26 cheshire_fox But if people don't know about the past of the projects, then how would they know if CreatureS was at one time vapor wear? 06.03.2011 22:14:30 @shnatsel That work took me and the hoster 15 minutes, I guess it's bearable 06.03.2011 22:14:34 foxofinfinety shnatsel, if someone gets new with a new site, they would also not know that 06.03.2011 22:14:48 foxofinfinety because you wouldn't be losing money on it, we would 06.03.2011 22:14:56 @shnatsel ? 06.03.2011 22:15:22 foxofinfinety even if we keep the name, we'd refresh the site, so if someone hasn't visited before, they also won't know what has been 06.03.2011 22:15:57 foxofinfinety and, let me put it this way, the hosting we use is not $10 a year 06.03.2011 22:16:06 foxofinfinety it's quite a bit more 06.03.2011 22:16:07 Admc I'm wondering why you're thinking that creatures have bad reputation? 06.03.2011 22:16:24 @shnatsel But the fame is already there. You think you can shout about making a furry OS for 3 years and not show any results and still be white and fluffy? 06.03.2011 22:16:52 Admc it's like fallout 3 or duken nukem forever ;P 06.03.2011 22:16:58 @shnatsel Domain is $10, ufurmix hosting is free :) 06.03.2011 22:17:31 cheshire_fox where is the domain btw, google doesn't show it 0.o wtf 06.03.2011 22:17:42 foxofinfinety yes, and our hosting is not, anyway, we have shown results, we have a newsletter, the site may not show everything but the newsletter has told sufficient, we got a new news letter system and we got all users back, if they really would have lost fait they wouldn't have done that, please not we had a manual, user driver, transition 06.03.2011 22:17:49 Admc fallout three is great game and people wanted to play it even after 10 years of waiting 06.03.2011 22:18:12 foxofinfinety *please note, damn keyboard... 06.03.2011 22:18:44 Admc so i think creatures haven't got bad reputation at all 06.03.2011 22:19:12 foxofinfinety same here, I keep hearing we have a bad reputation, but what I haven't heard is where that idea comes from 06.03.2011 22:19:15 @shnatsel Well, I haven't seen anything but the wallpaper contest, which is a fail, frankly speaking. 06.03.2011 22:19:29 cheshire_fox holy shit 06.03.2011 22:19:31 cheshire_fox you havn't? 06.03.2011 22:19:45 Admc yep i'm the same 06.03.2011 22:19:47 cheshire_fox There were some big names that entered in that :o 06.03.2011 22:19:49 foxofinfinety then you have been looking in the wrong place because sufficient has happend 06.03.2011 22:20:03 @shnatsel If I'd see something, I'd never start ufurmix at all! 06.03.2011 22:20:08 Admc i only found wallpaper contest and some outdated site 06.03.2011 22:20:29 @ValkaTR i didn't see the wallpaper 06.03.2011 22:20:36 cheshire_fox There were a lot 0.o 06.03.2011 22:20:44 @shnatsel ValkaTR, you lost nothing 06.03.2011 22:20:44 Admc it's on wikifur 06.03.2011 22:20:44 cheshire_fox god, I hated that contest 06.03.2011 22:21:00 cheshire_fox I still have all the good wallpapers 06.03.2011 22:21:05 cheshire_fox there were a lot of crappy ones 06.03.2011 22:21:06 * linkthegamer gets far from theyain 06.03.2011 22:21:06 cheshire_fox I'll admit 06.03.2011 22:21:46 @shnatsel The problem is that when I searched for something, anything to put in ufurmix from there, I found nothing. At all. 06.03.2011 22:21:59 foxofinfinety anyway, my point is, I so far only hear personal options about creatures having a bad name, but I so far haven't heard any actualy facts. 06.03.2011 22:22:45 @shnatsel Does showing no progress in 3 years count as a fact? 06.03.2011 22:23:11 foxofinfinety no, because we did, you didn't see it, still makes it a personal opinion 06.03.2011 22:23:28 @shnatsel Well, nobody saw it, at least whom I asked. 06.03.2011 22:23:45 @shnatsel Please show me your achievements then. 06.03.2011 22:24:15 cheshire_fox sigh 06.03.2011 22:24:17 cheshire_fox give me a second 06.03.2011 22:24:20 foxofinfinety I don't think I can send a entire VM as a file through IRC... 06.03.2011 22:24:29 @ValkaTR CreatureS is a nice name, and a nice website with alot of promising text :> 06.03.2011 22:24:33 cheshire_fox I gotta upload the good art to pb 06.03.2011 22:24:59 @shnatsel But if you shown it to someone, then it should be published on some hosting already, right? 06.03.2011 22:25:18 linkthegamer i was told to keep it underwarps 06.03.2011 22:25:39 @shnatsel So nobody saw it. 06.03.2011 22:25:49 @shnatsel That explains it all. 06.03.2011 22:25:51 cheshire_fox shnatsel: Edhel removed it from her Furaffinity account 06.03.2011 22:25:52 linkthegamer we didn't want to relase a unfinished product, that would have hurt us 06.03.2011 22:26:14 @shnatsel Have you ever heard about the Cathedral and the Bazaar? 06.03.2011 22:26:22 @shnatsel But yes, I did a similar thing. 06.03.2011 22:26:43 @ValkaTR that's bad, if i had something to touch and poke before the release, then i would have more trust in project 06.03.2011 22:27:16 @shnatsel But when I had an alpha 1, which wasn't even an ISO image, I released it and made a blog post etc. 06.03.2011 22:27:20 foxofinfinety again, there where sufficiant that knew, newsletters have been keeping visitors up-to-date on things 06.03.2011 22:27:37 @shnatsel Newsletters have no web logs 06.03.2011 22:27:53 foxofinfinety can have something to do with that we don't like to use blogs... 06.03.2011 22:28:16 @shnatsel People which are not subscribed to it have no idea about what you did and think CreatureS is vaporware (like me) 06.03.2011 22:28:25 @ValkaTR when working with public you have to use all available information channels 06.03.2011 22:28:36 @ValkaTR no matter like you that or not 06.03.2011 22:28:59 -- cheshire_fox has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "Name." to "ANYWHO..." 06.03.2011 22:29:07 @ValkaTR blog, wikifur, website, coming to forums of other sites, like furaffinity 06.03.2011 22:29:14 @shnatsel Well ufurmix mailing list has open web logs, kinda handy and searchable, and people know what happens inside 06.03.2011 22:29:17 cheshire_fox shnatsel: enough argueing, if we did decide to change the name, what would you guys suggest? 06.03.2011 22:29:32 linkthegamer actually i have the demo in dropbox 06.03.2011 22:29:36 linkthegamer anywho 06.03.2011 22:29:40 linkthegamer umm 06.03.2011 22:29:51 foxofinfinety shnatsel, I know, but our mailing list system didn't allow for that, which is why we changed which we use 06.03.2011 22:29:59 linkthegamer something that reflects our goals 06.03.2011 22:30:43 @ValkaTR no, thats isnt... 06.03.2011 22:30:51 foxofinfinety ? 06.03.2011 22:30:57 foxofinfinety and now in english? 06.03.2011 22:30:58 @shnatsel Initial ufurmix name brainstorm was a fail. (ufurmix abbreviation is a fail too) 06.03.2011 22:31:14 linkthegamer and we did post all of our newsletters to the site 06.03.2011 22:31:25 @ValkaTR check out the meaning of the names of popular distributions: Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Arch 06.03.2011 22:31:26 foxofinfinety a.k.a, you want a other name, but you don't know a new name? 06.03.2011 22:31:51 @shnatsel ValkaTR, good idea 06.03.2011 22:32:09 @ValkaTR Gentoo - is a pengiun, Ubuntu - is some kind of a translation ... 06.03.2011 22:32:23 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: it kind of means human 06.03.2011 22:32:26 foxofinfinety doesn't awnser our guestion, do you guys have any idea what name to use if we don't keep it 06.03.2011 22:32:31 foxofinfinety ubuntu = humanity 06.03.2011 22:32:33 Admc Debian is Debrah and Ian 06.03.2011 22:32:36 @shnatsel Gentoo - the fastest penguin in the world 06.03.2011 22:33:05 foxofinfinety again, didn't ask what other names mean, they are in use, so we suddenly won't be using those names 06.03.2011 22:33:07 linkthegamer fedora, the kind of hat the red hat is. 06.03.2011 22:33:09 Admc fusion Ian the creator of Debian and Debrah (his girlfrend) 06.03.2011 22:33:10 @shnatsel Well, OpenFur sounds OK. 06.03.2011 22:33:21 foxofinfinety but that is a team, not an OS 06.03.2011 22:33:26 foxofinfinety that would also be confusing 06.03.2011 22:33:50 @shnatsel Nobody knows that expect for you, the team. And the merged team is not obligated to have that name, btw. 06.03.2011 22:34:06 @shnatsel opps 06.03.2011 22:34:10 @shnatsel except 06.03.2011 22:34:13 @shnatsel not expect 06.03.2011 22:34:38 linkthegamer that is true 06.03.2011 22:35:00 @shnatsel which one is true? :) 06.03.2011 22:35:11 foxofinfinety not quite, all our newsletters are signed "the OpenFur team", anyone who read them knows 06.03.2011 22:35:37 @shnatsel Ubuntu Developers team, Sabayon team 06.03.2011 22:35:46 Admc We can have OpenFur team and OpenFur os 06.03.2011 22:36:17 @shnatsel Even Wuala team AFAIR, and it's proprietary 06.03.2011 22:36:53 @ValkaTR how about Furry Desktop Environment? :p 06.03.2011 22:37:03 Admc FDE? 06.03.2011 22:37:17 Admc i think it isn't sounds good 06.03.2011 22:37:29 @ValkaTR aye 06.03.2011 22:37:32 foxofinfinety that would sound more like KDE or GNOME, rather then an OS 06.03.2011 22:37:41 @shnatsel Hmm... DEs should be discussed later, we have the whole desktop shell dilemma unsolved :) 06.03.2011 22:37:41 cheshire_fox not to mention we're a destop environment 06.03.2011 22:37:44 @ValkaTR because OS is Linux Kernel 06.03.2011 22:37:59 @shnatsel It's just a kernel 06.03.2011 22:38:01 cheshire_fox actually, os is the system as a whole 06.03.2011 22:38:04 foxofinfinety a kernel is not a entire OS 06.03.2011 22:38:07 @shnatsel And we are a distribution 06.03.2011 22:38:19 foxofinfinety indeed 06.03.2011 22:38:37 @ValkaTR so, i can't be named Furry OS, or [anything] OS 06.03.2011 22:39:00 @shnatsel "Furhuria".. no, doesn't make it... 06.03.2011 22:39:06 Admc no no 06.03.2011 22:39:15 @shnatsel Ubuntu calls itself an OS 06.03.2011 22:39:16 Admc There is Futhia High comic 06.03.2011 22:39:22 cheshire_fox Admc: I read that 06.03.2011 22:39:26 cheshire_fox it's not all that great 06.03.2011 22:39:28 cheshire_fox :( 06.03.2011 22:39:36 @shnatsel Nobodu cares because Windows calls itself an OS 06.03.2011 22:40:14 foxofinfinety so what? they also still call there kernel NT, and that stands for New Technology, its not new for a long time 06.03.2011 22:40:31 @ValkaTR maybe, but we can show a literacy 06.03.2011 22:40:33 cheshire_fox ENOUGH 06.03.2011 22:40:34 cheshire_fox BICKERING 06.03.2011 22:40:35 cheshire_fox GOD DAMN 06.03.2011 22:40:38 cheshire_fox seriously 06.03.2011 22:40:39 cheshire_fox stop it 06.03.2011 22:41:24 @ValkaTR nothing will happen then 06.03.2011 22:41:41 @shnatsel "mnyamahuria"... well... I'd better not post this. 06.03.2011 22:41:57 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: Shush :P 06.03.2011 22:42:22 @ValkaTR hey, don't even try to use that -huria, it's like... "хуя" which is penis in russian, you know 06.03.2011 22:42:51 @shnatsel Ok, if not "openfur", let's think of some words that describe the project philosophy, and then translate them to some weird language, like Swahili or Brainfuck 06.03.2011 22:42:57 @ValkaTR we will be mocked :< 06.03.2011 22:43:19 cheshire_fox hold on 06.03.2011 22:43:22 cheshire_fox please 06.03.2011 22:43:23 cheshire_fox purdy please 06.03.2011 22:43:33 @ValkaTR please, copy paste the project philosophy 06.03.2011 22:44:34 @ValkaTR i think the name also should have a connection with furries, animals, etc, not only philosophy 06.03.2011 22:45:20 @shnatsel well, yes... that's the point. Sorry for the bad choice of words. 06.03.2011 22:45:51 @ValkaTR so, if our philosophy is doing random furry stuff, then... name it Baboo OS :D 06.03.2011 22:46:03 @ValkaTR *monkeys.ogg* 06.03.2011 22:47:37 @ValkaTR http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5768/680599-irbaboon_large.jpg 06.03.2011 22:47:41 cheshire_fox hey everyone 06.03.2011 22:47:43 cheshire_fox listen up 06.03.2011 22:48:52 cheshire_fox I've talked with our team, we would be willing to change. Don't ask why, that's private. But We would like to keep OpenFur as the dev team name (cause its awesome and no one really knows of it). As a name, we were thinking AnthrOS (pronounced Anthro-OS) 06.03.2011 22:49:37 foxofinfinety as a little added note, OpenFur was mostly because we also wanted to make seperate furry-related programs, not only an OS, if we can find the time to then 06.03.2011 22:50:00 @shnatsel I like the "openfur" for the team. 06.03.2011 22:50:08 @shnatsel Same about me! 06.03.2011 22:50:13 @shnatsel I even had some drafts... 06.03.2011 22:50:22 foxofinfinety drafts for? 06.03.2011 22:50:27 foxofinfinety programs? 06.03.2011 22:50:30 @ValkaTR OpenFur for team name is ok! Anthro-OS is a really nice name too, but the "OS" part is technically incorrect 06.03.2011 22:50:45 cheshire_fox actually 06.03.2011 22:50:46 cheshire_fox not really 06.03.2011 22:50:59 @ValkaTR OS is about writing drivers and kernel 06.03.2011 22:51:05 @shnatsel Yes 06.03.2011 22:51:13 @shnatsel I agree with ValkaTR 06.03.2011 22:51:15 cheshire_fox no OS is the system as a whole that is used to operate the computer ;-) 06.03.2011 22:51:21 foxofinfinety no, it's the collection of kernel, drivers, interface, etc. 06.03.2011 22:51:35 cheshire_fox http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y263/theyain/UnicornWallpaper.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y263/theyain/HyenaWallpaper.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y263/theyain/Theyain_contest_entry_by_Edheloth.png 06.03.2011 22:51:36 cheshire_fox btw 06.03.2011 22:51:39 Admc I does not have any matter for standard non-geek user 06.03.2011 22:51:39 foxofinfinety in fact, even an embedded system is an OS 06.03.2011 22:51:41 @shnatsel OS + GUI + Stuff = Distribution 06.03.2011 22:51:53 cheshire_fox those are some of the good backgrounds 06.03.2011 22:51:56 cheshire_fox from the contest 06.03.2011 22:52:06 cheshire_fox i really like edheloth's picture 06.03.2011 22:52:07 Admc os we can use some os in the name 06.03.2011 22:52:07 foxofinfinety wait, wasn't is a other that won? 06.03.2011 22:52:19 @ValkaTR what are we doing: wallpaper+applications is more likely a Anthro Desktop 06.03.2011 22:52:24 @ValkaTR an* 06.03.2011 22:52:29 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: It doesn't matter! 06.03.2011 22:52:33 cheshire_fox who the hell cares! 06.03.2011 22:52:36 cheshire_fox It's a name :P 06.03.2011 22:52:38 cheshire_fox and a good one 06.03.2011 22:52:47 cheshire_fox even if I did think of it 06.03.2011 22:52:48 @shnatsel I agree with ValkaTR, actually. 06.03.2011 22:52:51 cheshire_fox ;-) 06.03.2011 22:52:59 foxofinfinety maybe, but the ISO would still contain an entire OS, just a desktop on it's own is useless 06.03.2011 22:53:02 @shnatsel BUT 06.03.2011 22:53:10 @ValkaTR i care and some other sickeners like me :> 06.03.2011 22:53:23 @shnatsel We might tweak the internals too, in the future 06.03.2011 22:53:33 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: but you, shnatsel, I, and so forth are not our target audiance 06.03.2011 22:53:41 @shnatsel Right :) 06.03.2011 22:53:42 @shnatsel But 06.03.2011 22:53:52 cheshire_fox anywho 06.03.2011 22:53:55 @shnatsel Look at Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu... 06.03.2011 22:53:57 @shnatsel No "OS" 06.03.2011 22:54:04 @shnatsel Even no "Linux" 06.03.2011 22:54:20 @shnatsel BUT 06.03.2011 22:54:26 @ValkaTR what word can unite everything: kernel and desktop, other than a distribution? 06.03.2011 22:54:43 foxofinfinety also, Asus makes a series of notebooks called the EeePC's, they contain a linux system that asus modified, but they still call it "EeeOS", if you run 'cat /proc/version' it tells you it's ubuntu 06.03.2011 22:55:07 foxofinfinety @valkaTR: OS, actually, because OS IS the collection of it all 06.03.2011 22:55:08 @ValkaTR "Arch Linux", "Gentoo Linux" 06.03.2011 22:55:11 @ValkaTR yaay 06.03.2011 22:55:20 @ValkaTR "Anthro Linux" ! 06.03.2011 22:55:23 cheshire_fox Operating system, the software that manages the hardware and software of a computer << from wikipedia 06.03.2011 22:55:30 @shnatsel AROS is an OS and they have that in the name (very furry mascot BTW) 06.03.2011 22:55:32 Admc If you look to another file in ubuntu it will say you have debian sid 06.03.2011 22:55:48 cheshire_fox AOS is what I was thinking offor acronym 06.03.2011 22:55:58 foxofinfinety "operating system: (computer science) software that controls the execution of computer programs and may provide various services " 06.03.2011 22:56:15 * ValkaTR forces "Anthro Linux" :> 06.03.2011 22:56:17 @shnatsel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy ;) 06.03.2011 22:56:19 foxofinfinety and those services also include a inferface, which can be a desktop. 06.03.2011 22:56:35 <-- foxofinfinety (~foxofinfi@FUR-847BA240.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has left ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 22:56:36 cheshire_fox man oh man 06.03.2011 22:56:39 cheshire_fox you guys love to argue 06.03.2011 22:56:40 cheshire_fox don't ya 06.03.2011 22:56:49 @ValkaTR it is fun 06.03.2011 22:56:50 --> foxofinfinety (~foxofinfi@FUR-847BA240.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 22:56:52 linkthegamer the gnu+ or /linux thing again 06.03.2011 22:56:58 @ValkaTR im a experienced arguer :> 06.03.2011 22:57:11 @shnatsel As you can see, even Linux is not an OS. 06.03.2011 22:57:18 cheshire_fox I'm experienced.. I'm not gonna say that. 06.03.2011 22:57:19 foxofinfinety can be, but you are wrong in this agument 06.03.2011 22:57:26 cheshire_fox cause linux is just one part of a whole 06.03.2011 22:57:29 cheshire_fox its just the kernel 06.03.2011 22:57:38 foxofinfinety I know linux is not an OS, it's a kernel, but we already said that 06.03.2011 22:57:47 @ValkaTR but Gentoo Linux and Arch Linux is ok? 06.03.2011 22:57:49 Admc I think we should use name that sounds cool, not the name is technically correct 06.03.2011 22:58:21 cheshire_fox Admc: Thank you! 06.03.2011 22:58:22 @shnatsel Ok. Do we have any better ideas than Anthros? If we don't like the OS part we can simply not capitalize it. 06.03.2011 22:58:33 foxofinfinety an OS is a collection of a basic set of software that make it possable to use a computer, but you can also add some more stuff to an OS 06.03.2011 22:58:51 foxofinfinety I mean, windows also comes with some games, they are not actually part of the OS 06.03.2011 22:59:10 @shnatsel But we are not modifying the OS at this point, and it's hard to even invent a furry OS. 06.03.2011 22:59:12 Admc If this would be polish chanell i'd say "o ja pierdole" 06.03.2011 22:59:22 -- cheshire_fox has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "ANYWHO..." to "OS, vs Distro. Who will win????" 06.03.2011 22:59:28 -- cheshire_fox has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "OS, vs Distro. Who will win????" to "OS vs Distro. Who will win????" 06.03.2011 22:59:29 foxofinfinety -_- 06.03.2011 22:59:36 foxofinfinety not funny theyain 06.03.2011 22:59:40 @shnatsel But true 06.03.2011 22:59:47 Admc unfortunately i don't know english translation 06.03.2011 22:59:53 -- ValkaTR has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "OS vs Distro. Who will win????" to "OS vs Distro. Who will win???? AnthroLinux" 06.03.2011 23:00:01 @ValkaTR so, let's begin 06.03.2011 23:00:04 foxofinfinety lets brake it down though, first a team name, everyone OK with using OpenFur? 06.03.2011 23:00:05 @shnatsel Guys 06.03.2011 23:00:05 -- cheshire_fox has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "OS vs Distro. Who will win???? AnthroLinux" to "OS vs Distro. Who will win????" 06.03.2011 23:00:06 @shnatsel No 06.03.2011 23:00:07 cheshire_fox :D 06.03.2011 23:00:16 -- Admc has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "OS vs Distro. Who will win????" to "stop arguing guyz!" 06.03.2011 23:00:21 @shnatsel I'm OK with OpenFur 06.03.2011 23:00:25 -- foxofinfinety has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "stop arguing guyz!" to "and no stay of the damn title!" 06.03.2011 23:00:30 -- shnatsel has unset topic for ##fur-dev (old topic: "and no stay of the damn title!") 06.03.2011 23:00:36 foxofinfinety fianlly 06.03.2011 23:00:38 @ValkaTR I'm OK with OpenFur 06.03.2011 23:00:51 foxofinfinety ok, Admc? 06.03.2011 23:01:03 Admc both names are okay i think 06.03.2011 23:01:04 @shnatsel Xorrito is coming 06.03.2011 23:01:08 @ValkaTR 2 votes for OpenFur, 0 against, 5 didn't voted yet 06.03.2011 23:01:20 -- cheshire_fox has changed topic for ##fur-dev to "t3h 1337 i5 5tr0ng 1n th1s 0n3" 06.03.2011 23:01:23 cheshire_fox I'm fine with OpenFur 06.03.2011 23:01:25 --> xorrito (~xorrito@FUR-C8627119.tcso.qwest.net) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 23:01:26 linkthegamer for 06.03.2011 23:01:28 cheshire_fox I thought I made that clear 06.03.2011 23:01:35 @ValkaTR 4 votes for OpenFur, 0 against, 3 didn't voted yet 06.03.2011 23:01:36 xorrito hello 06.03.2011 23:01:38 foxofinfinety OpenFur is only the team name, not the OS, we can use a sperate name, I wanted to seperate the part of naming the OS and naming the team, we're going for team now 06.03.2011 23:01:40 Admc hi xorrito :3 06.03.2011 23:01:40 cheshire_fox hi 06.03.2011 23:01:43 foxofinfinety hello 06.03.2011 23:01:46 @shnatsel Hi! 06.03.2011 23:01:55 linkthegamer hi 06.03.2011 23:02:00 Admc i wanna ask 06.03.2011 23:02:01 xorrito waths up? what i miss? 06.03.2011 23:02:09 foxofinfinety ok, Xorrito, we where just talking about OS and team names, you ok with using OpenFur as a team name? 06.03.2011 23:02:12 cheshire_fox we're not gonna use CreatureS as a team name 06.03.2011 23:02:20 Admc we were arguing about os vs distro 06.03.2011 23:02:21 cheshire_fox we're right now trying to choose a dev team name 06.03.2011 23:02:22 cheshire_fox er distro name 06.03.2011 23:02:23 cheshire_fox er 06.03.2011 23:02:24 cheshire_fox fuck 06.03.2011 23:02:27 @shnatsel No 06.03.2011 23:02:29 @shnatsel Team name first 06.03.2011 23:02:34 foxofinfinety that never was a team name, we our now only mentioing the team, not the distro name 06.03.2011 23:02:42 Admc i wanna ask 06.03.2011 23:02:47 foxofinfinety that comes next, but some havn't awnsered yet 06.03.2011 23:02:53 Admc how long we are going to talk? 06.03.2011 23:03:04 @ValkaTR till tomorrow i suppose 06.03.2011 23:03:07 foxofinfinety depends on how long we need to wait for the last to reply... 06.03.2011 23:03:07 Admc i need to wake up early tommorow 06.03.2011 23:03:17 @shnatsel Me too :) 06.03.2011 23:03:26 Admc about 6 a. m. gmt+1 06.03.2011 23:03:30 cheshire_fox Yeah, Admc is right, we might have to discuss the other parts later. Lets just get this part done then worry about the rest 06.03.2011 23:03:35 xorrito ok well what are the options? 06.03.2011 23:03:42 cheshire_fox So, everyone is for OpenFur as a team name? 06.03.2011 23:03:44 @shnatsel Only OpenFur by now. 06.03.2011 23:03:54 cheshire_fox xorrito: OpenFur or something else 06.03.2011 23:03:58 Admc and it's 10:00 p.m. gmt+1 now 06.03.2011 23:04:13 cheshire_fox Can we hurry this up then? 06.03.2011 23:04:18 Admc yep 06.03.2011 23:04:23 @shnatsel Midnight in Moscow... takes me away... 06.03.2011 23:04:31 xorrito well i dont see a prov with it 06.03.2011 23:04:40 foxofinfinety ok, redoing this, now ONLY awnsers, because we're getting ot much other thing in between 06.03.2011 23:04:40 cheshire_fox So you're fine? 06.03.2011 23:04:41 cheshire_fox cool :D 06.03.2011 23:04:50 cheshire_fox I'me fine 06.03.2011 23:04:52 foxofinfinety who is ok with OpenFur? this time ONLY yes or no 06.03.2011 23:04:55 cheshire_fox yes 06.03.2011 23:04:57 Admc yes, 06.03.2011 23:04:58 @shnatsel yes 06.03.2011 23:04:58 foxofinfinety yes 06.03.2011 23:05:04 @ValkaTR yes 06.03.2011 23:05:10 xorrito yea 06.03.2011 23:05:15 xorrito i mean yes 06.03.2011 23:05:20 Admc lol 06.03.2011 23:05:25 SoulRetriever yes 06.03.2011 23:05:27 cheshire_fox link said earlier he is fine with it 06.03.2011 23:05:39 foxofinfinety meaning it's 8 yes, 0 no 06.03.2011 23:05:49 foxofinfinety so we can savely say we're using that as a team name 06.03.2011 23:05:54 xorrito awesome 06.03.2011 23:05:55 cheshire_fox Now 06.03.2011 23:06:00 foxofinfinety system name 06.03.2011 23:06:00 cheshire_fox for distro name 06.03.2011 23:06:03 Admc FINALLY 06.03.2011 23:06:04 foxofinfinety that one 06.03.2011 23:06:04 cheshire_fox Suggestion? 06.03.2011 23:06:16 foxofinfinety only one from us is AnthrOS 06.03.2011 23:06:21 foxofinfinety any from you guys? 06.03.2011 23:06:22 -- ValkaTR has changed topic for ##fur-dev from "t3h 1337 i5 5tr0ng 1n th1s 0n3" to "OpenFur Development Team Channel" 06.03.2011 23:06:22 cheshire_fox I say AnthrOS (pronounced anthro-OS) 06.03.2011 23:06:37 @ValkaTR Anthro Linux! :> 06.03.2011 23:06:42 Admc NO 06.03.2011 23:06:48 xorrito fuOs 06.03.2011 23:07:00 xorrito um fuzyos 06.03.2011 23:07:08 @shnatsel Furlin lol 06.03.2011 23:07:16 foxofinfinety ow brother.... 06.03.2011 23:07:16 Admc furrOs souns better 06.03.2011 23:07:19 Admc ;o 06.03.2011 23:07:30 xorrito i dont know im blank 06.03.2011 23:07:48 @shnatsel let's think of some words that describe the project philosophy, and then translate them to some weird language, like Swahili or Brainfuck 06.03.2011 23:07:50 xorrito i kinda like furros 06.03.2011 23:07:50 Admc we should do it faster 06.03.2011 23:08:10 @ValkaTR what will someone think if they hear [something]OS ? he will think like haha, they are reinventing a bicycle 06.03.2011 23:08:23 Admc um 06.03.2011 23:08:24 @shnatsel ValkaTR, agreed. 06.03.2011 23:08:38 cheshire_fox our non target audiance will 06.03.2011 23:08:39 Admc I'm not native english speaker and I didn't understand that 06.03.2011 23:08:40 foxofinfinety maybe, butif we use Linux in the name they will also think that... 06.03.2011 23:08:48 @shnatsel Linuxes don't call themselves OS, expect PCLinuxOS. 06.03.2011 23:08:58 @ValkaTR and ReactOS 06.03.2011 23:09:04 xorrito what about twntp (the wolf and thw phoenix) its rhe name for the con im going to be making 06.03.2011 23:09:06 foxofinfinety ReactOS is NOT linux! 06.03.2011 23:09:12 @shnatsel Linux in name is scary. 06.03.2011 23:09:13 Admc For cansual PC users Linux = stuff for geeks and programers 06.03.2011 23:09:40 foxofinfinety indeed, so we don't want linux in the name, that, sadly, does scare off some 06.03.2011 23:09:43 cheshire_fox our target audiane won't give a half shit about the OS part of the name 06.03.2011 23:09:52 linkthegamer anyone have any good animal names, non english words, or anything we can use 06.03.2011 23:09:53 cheshire_fox dang, I'm cursing a lot today 06.03.2011 23:09:55 foxofinfinety not with OS, but if we use linux they would 06.03.2011 23:10:12 cheshire_fox foxofinfinety: Thats what I was saying 06.03.2011 23:10:13 @shnatsel Nope 06.03.2011 23:10:22 @shnatsel oops 06.03.2011 23:10:26 @shnatsel sorry, misread 06.03.2011 23:10:29 cheshire_fox I did have one idea 06.03.2011 23:10:33 cheshire_fox not for a name though 06.03.2011 23:10:36 cheshire_fox the idea was fairly simple 06.03.2011 23:10:49 foxofinfinety this is an example of what some actually think of the term linux, it seems funny, but it's a sad truth: http://notalwaysright.com/when-open-source-meets-closed-minds/3305 06.03.2011 23:11:12 cheshire_fox we do like ubuntu does, and give each new release a nickname. Except with us, the name would be 'furry' in a different langauge 06.03.2011 23:11:24 cheshire_fox but thats only for release nicknames 06.03.2011 23:11:33 Admc nice idea 06.03.2011 23:11:41 foxofinfinety sounds good, but indeed only for the nicknames, but we still need a main name... 06.03.2011 23:11:51 cheshire_fox I still say AnthrOS 06.03.2011 23:11:59 @shnatsel We had a very neat idea about that! Let me dig it out.. 06.03.2011 23:12:01 cheshire_fox Our target audiance won't care 06.03.2011 23:12:13 cheshire_fox shnatsel: later 06.03.2011 23:12:14 cheshire_fox right now 06.03.2011 23:12:17 cheshire_fox lets get this overwith 06.03.2011 23:12:39 cheshire_fox So 06.03.2011 23:12:48 @shnatsel About different languages... 06.03.2011 23:13:09 Admc guys, i have to go off the computer for a while 06.03.2011 23:13:18 foxofinfinety something quick then, we've already been taling for about 2 hour now, and it's getting late in the CET timeszone 06.03.2011 23:13:22 cheshire_fox alrighty L:( Nice meeting you. 06.03.2011 23:13:24 foxofinfinety *timezone 06.03.2011 23:13:30 foxofinfinety ok, late Admc 06.03.2011 23:13:36 foxofinfinety *later 06.03.2011 23:14:13 @shnatsel In swahili, "animal" is "mnyama" 06.03.2011 23:14:21 @shnatsel hmm... 06.03.2011 23:14:34 @shnatsel hardly pronounceable 06.03.2011 23:14:52 foxofinfinety kinda what I though yea, it sounds nice but how to say it... 06.03.2011 23:14:55 cheshire_fox whats Fur in Swahiili? 06.03.2011 23:15:02 @shnatsel Human is: 06.03.2011 23:15:03 @shnatsel mwanadamu (w-), kiumbe (vi-), mja (wa-), 06.03.2011 23:15:03 @shnatsel insi (-) (поэт.), mmula (wa-) 06.03.2011 23:15:12 @shnatsel insi is poetical 06.03.2011 23:15:31 @shnatsel fur is "manyoya", or... 06.03.2011 23:15:56 xorrito ???? 06.03.2011 23:15:57 @shnatsel hmm... that's it. 06.03.2011 23:15:59 foxofinfinety but we do need something we can actually say 06.03.2011 23:16:13 foxofinfinety so unless you can also tell us how to pronounce that? 06.03.2011 23:16:16 <-- Admc (~adam@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Ping timeout) 06.03.2011 23:16:59 @shnatsel Well, I already learned to pronounce "Ingonyama nengw’ enamabala" 06.03.2011 23:17:36 @shnatsel But it doesn't make a good name anyway 06.03.2011 23:17:53 xorrito what about pelludo? 06.03.2011 23:18:02 foxofinfinety pewhatdo? 06.03.2011 23:18:06 @shnatsel Bad name for Russia. 06.03.2011 23:18:14 @ValkaTR ahahah :D 06.03.2011 23:18:33 xorrito i mean peludo 06.03.2011 23:18:54 xorrito it means furry in spanish 06.03.2011 23:18:55 @shnatsel "freedom" is "uhadimu" in Swahili... Bad. 06.03.2011 23:18:57 @ValkaTR Feral System 06.03.2011 23:18:59 cheshire_fox We could use Pelto 06.03.2011 23:19:03 cheshire_fox I like that! 06.03.2011 23:19:06 cheshire_fox Feral System 06.03.2011 23:19:19 foxofinfinety feral system sounds nice 06.03.2011 23:19:27 cheshire_fox pelto is esperanto btw 06.03.2011 23:19:48 cheshire_fox So 06.03.2011 23:19:50 @shnatsel yes, but scary a bit... systems should be friendly, not scary 06.03.2011 23:20:01 cheshire_fox shnatsel: 06.03.2011 23:20:03 cheshire_fox We're furries 06.03.2011 23:20:16 cheshire_fox thats not scary to us :P 06.03.2011 23:20:17 @ValkaTR pewhatdo is like "пездато" - awesome in a very rough form 06.03.2011 23:20:19 cheshire_fox stop being so negatice! 06.03.2011 23:20:35 cheshire_fox negative! 06.03.2011 23:20:47 @ValkaTR pelludo is rofl too, i don't know why :> 06.03.2011 23:20:55 cheshire_fox anywho 06.03.2011 23:21:10 cheshire_fox Are we for Feral System or Against it? 06.03.2011 23:21:10 @shnatsel Yay! Found it! 06.03.2011 23:21:18 cheshire_fox cause honestly, I see no real reason to be against it 06.03.2011 23:21:25 cheshire_fox unless you just wanna be a dickbutt 06.03.2011 23:21:43 @ValkaTR Feral Desktop could be :> 06.03.2011 23:21:52 @shnatsel systems should be friendly, not feral 06.03.2011 23:21:59 foxofinfinety -_- 06.03.2011 23:22:01 @ValkaTR well 06.03.2011 23:22:09 @shnatsel Feral desktop is better IMHO, but we're not making a desktop 06.03.2011 23:22:16 @shnatsel I've found the language we need! 06.03.2011 23:22:18 @ValkaTR i translated "animal" to latin and got a "feral" 06.03.2011 23:22:23 @shnatsel sve 06.03.2011 23:22:37 cheshire_fox Who said feral isn't friendly? In the furry fandom, feral is just a word for the non anthro character 06.03.2011 23:22:45 cheshire_fox we're furries, we don't look at it like that 06.03.2011 23:22:46 foxofinfinety sve? what the hall is that? 06.03.2011 23:22:49 @shnatsel Swedish 06.03.2011 23:23:02 cheshire_fox lol what the hall 06.03.2011 23:23:14 foxofinfinety didn't I say we needed something we can pronounce? 06.03.2011 23:23:15 cheshire_fox so shnatsel, are you gonna argue with everything? :o 06.03.2011 23:23:31 @shnatsel Fur is "hår", "ull", "ylle"... 06.03.2011 23:23:41 @shnatsel I'm not arguing, I'm addind ideas ;) 06.03.2011 23:23:55 xorrito well ish in mah phone, if you guys need me just say my name 06.03.2011 23:23:59 @ValkaTR i think latin or greek is better :> 06.03.2011 23:24:01 cheshire_fox Honestly, I like Feral System. It still has the System part in it, which shows that it came from CreatureS, but its new and different. Feral is obviously furry as well 06.03.2011 23:24:16 cheshire_fox Furris are not gonna look at it think (oh, that scary) 06.03.2011 23:24:22 cheshire_fox if they did they shouldn't use the OS in the first place 06.03.2011 23:24:29 foxofinfinety I indeed like Feral System 06.03.2011 23:24:29 cheshire_fox cause that is just stupid 06.03.2011 23:24:33 @shnatsel "freedom" is "frihet"... hmm, not good... 06.03.2011 23:24:52 foxofinfinety no swedish! I really can't pronounce that 06.03.2011 23:25:07 cheshire_fox and there is no os out there that a stupid person can use efficently 06.03.2011 23:25:15 @shnatsel I know a bit of Latin, let me think about Feral a bit... 06.03.2011 23:25:26 @ValkaTR Pellicius - furry in latin 06.03.2011 23:25:39 cheshire_fox Nah, sound like some roman god's name 06.03.2011 23:25:49 cheshire_fox Can we all just agree on Feral System? PLEASE? 06.03.2011 23:25:53 cheshire_fox There is nothing wrong with it. 06.03.2011 23:26:05 foxofinfinety and I'm getting somewhat sleepy.... 06.03.2011 23:26:14 cheshire_fox And I have to go 06.03.2011 23:26:15 cheshire_fox honestly 06.03.2011 23:26:18 @ValkaTR Anthro System? :d 06.03.2011 23:26:29 @ValkaTR we can continue later 06.03.2011 23:26:30 cheshire_fox I like Feral system more... it sounds cooler 06.03.2011 23:26:36 @ValkaTR hehe 06.03.2011 23:26:51 cheshire_fox feral makes it seem wild and cool 06.03.2011 23:26:54 foxofinfinety lets first get things more clearly, who prefers which name? 06.03.2011 23:26:54 @shnatsel Ferinus... 06.03.2011 23:27:05 foxofinfinety and preferably don't name a new one! 06.03.2011 23:27:08 cheshire_fox What is Ferinus? 06.03.2011 23:27:09 @shnatsel Got this from Latin... 06.03.2011 23:27:33 @shnatsel I can't translate the grammar into English, it's too primitive 06.03.2011 23:27:34 foxofinfinety zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......... 06.03.2011 23:27:36 @ValkaTR i would agree for AnthroOS, but highlighted part confusing 06.03.2011 23:28:04 @shnatsel Something like "animalistic", "animalish"... 06.03.2011 23:28:10 @shnatsel can't translate it 06.03.2011 23:28:11 foxofinfinety we can also make it Antho-OS, adding the dash removes the confision 06.03.2011 23:28:20 @ValkaTR will Feral still be feral but in a cute way if you write it as Ferry ? 06.03.2011 23:28:28 @shnatsel I'd prefer "Anthros" 06.03.2011 23:28:29 cheshire_fox no 06.03.2011 23:28:34 foxofinfinety nope, ferry is a boat... 06.03.2011 23:28:38 @ValkaTR like Mouse -> Mouseling/Mousekin 06.03.2011 23:28:41 cheshire_fox that would be silly ValkaTR 06.03.2011 23:28:43 @shnatsel I'm looking for a cute way of "Feral" 06.03.2011 23:28:48 @shnatsel Give me some time 06.03.2011 23:29:03 foxofinfinety I don't mind giving you time, but I'm running short 06.03.2011 23:29:10 @shnatsel Oh, "system ferina"! 06.03.2011 23:29:11 cheshire_fox Look, we're gonna have to do this another time. I have to go NOW. foxofinfinety has to go to bed. 06.03.2011 23:29:22 cheshire_fox and link and SoulRetriever are not even really here 06.03.2011 23:29:30 cheshire_fox so I gotta say bye guys 06.03.2011 23:29:48 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: you've been here longer then anyone. Make a log of all this. Kay? 06.03.2011 23:29:51 @shnatsel Ok, bye. I'll find something. 06.03.2011 23:30:07 @ValkaTR and where to put it? 06.03.2011 23:30:11 cheshire_fox Remember though, nothings final until we all agree on it. 06.03.2011 23:30:22 @shnatsel I'll make a log and put it in my Dropbox 06.03.2011 23:30:23 cheshire_fox ValkaTR: Just email to me at theyain.riyu@gmail.com 06.03.2011 23:30:47 @shnatsel And post the link to ufurmix mailing list, OK? 06.03.2011 23:30:51 @shnatsel Yes or no? 06.03.2011 23:31:07 cheshire_fox that way when we finally do make the announcement, we have a log to show how the decisions were made. 06.03.2011 23:31:11 @ValkaTR yes, i will write a list of all variants 06.03.2011 23:31:12 foxofinfinety rather no, since we are only half out of this, when we're don, we'll anounce it 06.03.2011 23:31:16 @ValkaTR and then we can vote 06.03.2011 23:31:22 foxofinfinety ok 06.03.2011 23:31:30 cheshire_fox we'll vote another time 06.03.2011 23:31:32 cheshire_fox okay? 06.03.2011 23:31:33 cheshire_fox anywho 06.03.2011 23:31:35 cheshire_fox right now I'm gone 06.03.2011 23:31:36 foxofinfinety but lets not annouce it yet, but use the log when we make the final decisions 06.03.2011 23:31:40 cheshire_fox bye guys! 06.03.2011 23:31:45 foxofinfinety bye 06.03.2011 23:31:46 <-- cheshire_fox (~Cheshire@E0EBFADA.7B88684E.2178A09D.IP) has left ##fur-dev (poof) 06.03.2011 23:31:47 @shnatsel bye 06.03.2011 23:32:12 foxofinfinety and further we'll just have to plan a new time to go on, anyway, I'm also gone, night 06.03.2011 23:32:13 <-- foxofinfinety (~foxofinfi@FUR-847BA240.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has left ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 23:33:05 @shnatsel I'll hang out here a bit longer with my Latin dictionary and grammar book 06.03.2011 23:33:12 <-- SoulRetriever (~Soul@A7D3E874.810AAADF.DD364119.IP) has left ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 23:34:02 @shnatsel "Fera" is animal in Latin actually, apart form "Bestia" 06.03.2011 23:34:13 @shnatsel Fera, Ferae, femininum 06.03.2011 23:35:04 --> Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 23:35:16 @shnatsel Seems tho be the first... ehhh... English doesn't have those things and even a word for them. 06.03.2011 23:35:19 @ValkaTR я так понял имя будет состоять из двух частей, в первой части может быть Furry, Anthro, Feral, они подходят, а что подойдёт по второю часть? 06.03.2011 23:35:23 @shnatsel Первое склонение 06.03.2011 23:35:28 Admc sorry guys 06.03.2011 23:35:33 @ValkaTR mrglglglg 06.03.2011 23:35:38 @shnatsel I'd prefer a one-word name 06.03.2011 23:35:55 @shnatsel Admc, the discussion is over, we're just brainstorming now 06.03.2011 23:35:59 Admc I had to get a shower 06.03.2011 23:36:06 @ValkaTR one word name can't be Feral, Anthro or Furry, too general 06.03.2011 23:36:25 Admc What did you choose? 06.03.2011 23:36:38 @shnatsel Yes 06.03.2011 23:36:52 @shnatsel That's why I'm looking for alternatives 06.03.2011 23:36:52 @ValkaTR maybe try looking for words what animals make sounds? 06.03.2011 23:37:00 @shnatsel yiff? 06.03.2011 23:37:01 @ValkaTR like bark-bark, eep-eep :> 06.03.2011 23:37:11 Admc ... 06.03.2011 23:37:25 @shnatsel yiff-yiff-yiff... yawr.. grrr... 06.03.2011 23:37:31 @shnatsel rawr! 06.03.2011 23:37:34 @ValkaTR fyrk (фырк, fõrk) 06.03.2011 23:37:37 @shnatsel :/ 06.03.2011 23:37:45 <-- xorrito (~xorrito@FUR-C8627119.tcso.qwest.net) has quit (Ping timeout) 06.03.2011 23:37:59 @shnatsel FYRC is Furry Yiff Russian Club :( 06.03.2011 23:38:09 Admc Can you guys teel me what are final results of discussion? 06.03.2011 23:38:14 @ValkaTR didnt heard about it 06.03.2011 23:38:17 @ValkaTR no result 06.03.2011 23:38:33 @shnatsel We decided only to call the OS OpenFur AND 06.03.2011 23:38:39 @shnatsel CreatureS name will go 06.03.2011 23:38:49 @ValkaTR Fyrk is nice i think :> 06.03.2011 23:38:58 Admc Okay 06.03.2011 23:38:58 @shnatsel For unnamed internal reasons of their developers 06.03.2011 23:39:08 @shnatsel Fyrk is a negative sound 06.03.2011 23:39:21 @ValkaTR ok 06.03.2011 23:39:48 @ValkaTR äurr :> 06.03.2011 23:40:08 @shnatsel far too cute! 06.03.2011 23:40:22 @ValkaTR mrgl 06.03.2011 23:40:22 <-- shnatsel (~shnatsel@77CA8CA0.63C2E864.4DFE986B.IP) has quit (Connection reset by peer) 06.03.2011 23:40:38 Admc :( 06.03.2011 23:40:42 @ValkaTR hihi 06.03.2011 23:40:56 * ValkaTR ♫: . - Pulsedriver Live At Prisma Dortmund 02-01-2010 [][] - Pulsedriver Live At Prisma Dortmund 02-01-2010 «44100 Hz / 24 bits / 2 channels / ≈160 kbps» 06.03.2011 23:42:17 Admc So everyone is gone :( 06.03.2011 23:42:18 --> shnatsel (~shnatsel@77CA8CA0.63C2E864.4DFE986B.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 23:42:26 Admc yay 06.03.2011 23:42:38 shnatsel did I miss something? 06.03.2011 23:42:40 Admc I thought you're going to leave 06.03.2011 23:42:45 Admc Nope 06.03.2011 23:42:56 shnatsel got disconnected after " äurr :>" 06.03.2011 23:43:46 @ValkaTR what is the word that names every sound: meow, bark, ... ? 06.03.2011 23:44:03 shnatsel звукоподражательные 06.03.2011 23:44:11 shnatsel (I guess) 06.03.2011 23:44:37 @ValkaTR Ономатопея! 06.03.2011 23:44:49 @ValkaTR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-linguistic_onomatopoeias 06.03.2011 23:45:16 shnatsel onomatopoeia? 06.03.2011 23:45:26 @ValkaTR kewl, check out the list 06.03.2011 23:45:27 Admc Guys, I can start typing in polish, please type in english when you're on international chat 06.03.2011 23:45:51 @ValkaTR sorry :< 06.03.2011 23:45:53 shnatsel We'll understand half of your Polish :) 06.03.2011 23:46:17 shnatsel It's similar to Russian 06.03.2011 23:46:24 Admc I know 06.03.2011 23:46:35 shnatsel onomatopoeia is too long :( 06.03.2011 23:47:00 shnatsel "Ferarum" means "to animals" 06.03.2011 23:47:09 shnatsel e.g. "give to animals" 06.03.2011 23:47:13 shnatsel Dativus 06.03.2011 23:47:15 @ValkaTR # In Danish, vuf vuf, vov vov, bjæf bjæf 06.03.2011 23:47:15 @ValkaTR # In Dutch, waf waf, woef woef 06.03.2011 23:47:15 @ValkaTR # In English, woof woof, arf arf, bow wow, bark bark, ruff ruff 06.03.2011 23:48:01 Admc and I understand lots of russian when it's not written in cyrillic 06.03.2011 23:48:30 Admc In polish it's hau hau 06.03.2011 23:48:49 shnatsel Cyrillic is so cute! :D 06.03.2011 23:48:55 @ValkaTR Kikiriku 06.03.2011 23:49:08 @ValkaTR Rooster crowing 06.03.2011 23:49:08 @ValkaTR * In Albanian, kikiriku 06.03.2011 23:49:08 @ValkaTR * In Arabic, kuku-kookoo, kuku-reekoo, esku kookoo 06.03.2011 23:49:09 @ValkaTR * In Armenian, tsoo-ghoo-roo-ghoo 06.03.2011 23:49:26 @ValkaTR * In Euskara, kukurruku 06.03.2011 23:49:33 @ValkaTR * In Estonian kikerikii, kukeleegu 06.03.2011 23:49:39 shnatsel But eastern writing systems are fancier 06.03.2011 23:49:44 shnatsel no doubt 06.03.2011 23:50:23 shnatsel Antropos = Human in Ancient Greek 06.03.2011 23:50:38 shnatsel Morp* is form or... 06.03.2011 23:50:43 shnatsel image... 06.03.2011 23:50:45 shnatsel ehh.... 06.03.2011 23:50:51 shnatsel shape? 06.03.2011 23:51:12 @ValkaTR to change form 06.03.2011 23:51:40 shnatsel no 06.03.2011 23:51:42 --> xorrito (~xorrito@FUR-554DBC19.evdo.leapwireless.net) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 23:51:55 shnatsel just the shape itself is morp* 06.03.2011 23:52:00 shnatsel don't remember exactly 06.03.2011 23:52:19 @ValkaTR i like "kikiriku" now :> 06.03.2011 23:53:09 <-- Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Connection reset by peer) 06.03.2011 23:53:16 shnatsel ἄνθρωπος - human 06.03.2011 23:53:38 @ValkaTR 毛皮 - furry 06.03.2011 23:53:48 --> Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 06.03.2011 23:54:05 shnatsel θηρίον - animal or beast 06.03.2011 23:54:17 @ValkaTR kikiriku! 06.03.2011 23:54:17 shnatsel Therion band named after it 06.03.2011 23:54:34 shnatsel Sounds cool 06.03.2011 23:54:44 @ValkaTR "я поставил кики!" 06.03.2011 23:54:47 shnatsel But it's as meaningless as my nickname 06.03.2011 23:54:54 @ValkaTR "i installed kiki!" 06.03.2011 23:55:08 Admc Did I miss something? 06.03.2011 23:55:23 shnatsel Also "θρέμμα" = animal sometimes 06.03.2011 23:55:24 @ValkaTR kikiriku is Rooster (петух) crowing In Albanian 06.03.2011 23:55:43 shnatsel θρέμμα is more cute... 06.03.2011 23:55:55 @ValkaTR transliterate it please 06.03.2011 23:56:00 shnatsel κίναδος - mainly fox... 06.03.2011 23:56:06 shnatsel tremma 06.03.2011 23:56:13 shnatsel kinados 06.03.2011 23:56:15 shnatsel antropos 06.03.2011 23:56:20 shnatsel and what was there... 06.03.2011 23:56:34 shnatsel therion already mentioned 06.03.2011 23:56:42 xorrito antropos me like 06.03.2011 23:56:56 shnatsel κνώδαλον - 100% animal 06.03.2011 23:57:11 shnatsel antropos is human in ancient greek 06.03.2011 23:57:34 shnatsel "Anthropomorphic" comes from it 06.03.2011 23:57:47 shnatsel morp* is "shape" 06.03.2011 23:57:51 shnatsel or something like that 06.03.2011 23:57:54 xorrito blah 06.03.2011 23:58:16 @ValkaTR cmon, kikiriku is a win! :> 06.03.2011 23:58:19 Admc O.o 06.03.2011 23:59:22 shnatsel But it's as meaningless as my nickname 06.03.2011 23:59:35 @ValkaTR no it's not 06.03.2011 23:59:53 @ValkaTR it is a rooster, a Good Morning Linux Distribution 07.03.2011 00:00:03 <-- Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Quit:) 07.03.2011 00:00:20 shnatsel ἔθειρα is fur or mane 07.03.2011 00:00:25 shnatsel eteira 07.03.2011 00:00:37 @ValkaTR a wake up and what do you do? turn on the Kikiriku, the Good Morning Linux Distribution :> 07.03.2011 00:00:45 --> Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 07.03.2011 00:00:53 shnatsel ἔθειρα is fur or mane 07.03.2011 00:00:53 shnatsel eteira 07.03.2011 00:00:55 @ValkaTR ~(__^> «Admc» 07.03.2011 00:01:02 @ValkaTR @ValkaTR | it is a rooster, a Good Morning Linux Distribution 07.03.2011 00:01:02 @ValkaTR to Пнд, 07 Мар 2011 07.03.2011 00:01:02 @ValkaTR <-- | Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Quit:) 07.03.2011 00:01:02 @ValkaTR shnatsel | ἔθειρα is fur or mane 07.03.2011 00:01:02 @ValkaTR shnatsel | eteira 07.03.2011 00:01:02 @ValkaTR @ValkaTR | a wake up and what do you do? turn on the Kikiriku, the Good Morning Linux 07.03.2011 00:01:02 @ValkaTR | Distribution :> 07.03.2011 00:01:13 xorrito valkatr: lol i like that 07.03.2011 00:01:23 Admc :? 07.03.2011 00:01:28 Admc :/ 07.03.2011 00:01:36 @ValkaTR also kiki is just cute and kawaii 07.03.2011 00:01:56 @ValkaTR people will shorten it to kiki 07.03.2011 00:02:08 @ValkaTR "have you already installed kiki? 07.03.2011 00:02:26 shnatsel εὔειρος - covered by beatiful fur 07.03.2011 00:02:33 @ValkaTR "i'm downloading kiki at the moment" 07.03.2011 00:02:44 shnatsel But I don't remeber the dithtongues... 07.03.2011 00:02:54 shnatsel so I can't transliterate it 07.03.2011 00:02:59 @ValkaTR "kiki has a nice furry wallpaper" :> 07.03.2011 00:03:35 shnatsel Something like "Eveiros" 07.03.2011 00:03:48 shnatsel Damn, I like that! 07.03.2011 00:03:55 Admc Sorry guys I'm typing from phone and have really poor wifi signal there so it sometimes disconnect me 07.03.2011 00:04:04 shnatsel eueiros... 07.03.2011 00:04:33 shnatsel I'll check the dithtongue reference, but I like this one. 07.03.2011 00:04:57 @ValkaTR the thing i dont like in windows, that it is lifeless 07.03.2011 00:05:06 shnatsel Admc, you have to get up early, don't you? 07.03.2011 00:05:22 @ValkaTR linux has a tux, xfce - a rodent :> 07.03.2011 00:05:48 shnatsel Mhmph... 07.03.2011 00:05:49 Admc Yep but I'm lying I'm bed now 07.03.2011 00:05:57 shnatsel Good :) 07.03.2011 00:06:12 shnatsel Cause nothing important is going on here 07.03.2011 00:06:25 @ValkaTR think about how people will shorten the name Eveiros 07.03.2011 00:06:38 @ValkaTR "im downloading eeve..." 07.03.2011 00:07:20 Admc Fuck, I didn't set up alarm 07.03.2011 00:07:34 Admc I have to get up and set it 07.03.2011 00:07:38 shnatsel eueiros 07.03.2011 00:07:51 @ValkaTR ересь :> 07.03.2011 00:08:37 Admc Evenios? What does it exactly mean? 07.03.2011 00:10:22 Admc Hello? 07.03.2011 00:10:45 shnatsel just a moment... 07.03.2011 00:10:47 @ValkaTR covered by beatiful fur? 07.03.2011 00:10:52 shnatsel yes 07.03.2011 00:11:03 shnatsel beautiful 07.03.2011 00:11:04 <-- Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Connection reset by peer) 07.03.2011 00:11:38 @ValkaTR а по русски? 07.03.2011 00:11:44 --> Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 07.03.2011 00:11:56 Admc Again :/ 07.03.2011 00:12:03 shnatsel εὔειρος - covered by beatiful fur 07.03.2011 00:12:30 Admc My wifi router is a crap 07.03.2011 00:12:32 shnatsel εὔποκος is the same 07.03.2011 00:12:46 @ValkaTR google translate fails 07.03.2011 00:13:04 shnatsel It doesn't know any Ancient Greek 07.03.2011 00:13:19 shnatsel Only few people know it 07.03.2011 00:13:37 shnatsel And I still remember some parts of it! 07.03.2011 00:13:46 shnatsel (mostly grammar) 07.03.2011 00:13:56 Admc *yawn* 07.03.2011 00:14:08 Admc I'm sleppy 07.03.2011 00:14:15 shnatsel Good night :) 07.03.2011 00:14:38 shnatsel Eupokos... 07.03.2011 00:14:45 shnatsel Looks awkward. 07.03.2011 00:15:11 shnatsel Ok, εὔερος 07.03.2011 00:15:12 Admc Thanks, I'm staying for a bit but no long 07.03.2011 00:15:13 shnatsel Eueros 07.03.2011 00:15:44 shnatsel εὔειρος is sometimes shortened to εὔερος 07.03.2011 00:16:12 @ValkaTR i dont know how to read greek 07.03.2011 00:16:24 shnatsel Eueros 07.03.2011 00:16:54 @ValkaTR how some one said, it's like a name of ancient god 07.03.2011 00:17:04 Admc Maybe I'll write something in polish to check your understanding :p 07.03.2011 00:17:24 @ValkaTR bring it on 07.03.2011 00:17:28 @ValkaTR dude 07.03.2011 00:18:46 Admc I po co się przerzucacie jakimiś greckimi imionami, co wam to da. Jak dla mnie to bez sensu 07.03.2011 00:19:07 Admc Use transistor if your didn't understand 07.03.2011 00:19:35 shnatsel I understand... 07.03.2011 00:20:01 @ValkaTR i understand Jak dla mnie to bez sensu 07.03.2011 00:20:09 shnatsel same here 07.03.2011 00:20:14 Admc Hehe 07.03.2011 00:20:26 shnatsel greek names... 07.03.2011 00:20:27 Admc This is easier part 07.03.2011 00:20:57 shnatsel przerzucacie - ??? 07.03.2011 00:21:12 shnatsel Only separate words now... 07.03.2011 00:21:21 shnatsel I'm using Google now. 07.03.2011 00:21:52 shnatsel LOL! 07.03.2011 00:22:20 Admc It's somethingit's not widely used in formal language so you cant translate it 07.03.2011 00:22:48 shnatsel Google returns "And what is passing by some Greek names, which will give you this. As for me, without a sense of" 07.03.2011 00:22:57 shnatsel And in Russian it's much worse 07.03.2011 00:23:51 shnatsel I like Eueros or Euera System 07.03.2011 00:24:14 Admc It's not exactly what I mean but it's quite good translation 07.03.2011 00:24:51 @ValkaTR Eueros, Euera - sound like Euro 07.03.2011 00:25:07 shnatsel Eueira then 07.03.2011 00:25:26 shnatsel Eueiros or Eueira System 07.03.2011 00:25:31 shnatsel It's the full form 07.03.2011 00:27:09 Admc It's hard to speak and remember 07.03.2011 00:28:12 shnatsel Well, I don't know, easy for me 07.03.2011 00:28:22 shnatsel And soo damn mysterious :) 07.03.2011 00:31:02 shnatsel 1:30 in here 07.03.2011 00:31:06 shnatsel I'll hibernate 07.03.2011 00:31:09 shnatsel bye 07.03.2011 00:31:16 Admc When most people that I know try to say this 07.03.2011 00:31:22 Admc Byte 07.03.2011 00:31:30 <-- shnatsel (~shnatsel@77CA8CA0.63C2E864.4DFE986B.IP) has quit (Quit: Ухожу я от вас) 07.03.2011 00:31:33 Admc Bye* 07.03.2011 00:33:00 @ValkaTR ok 07.03.2011 00:33:06 Admc It will sound like eue... eue... um 07.03.2011 00:35:06 @ValkaTR euro! 07.03.2011 00:35:27 xorrito so anyrhung yet? (the name i mwa) 07.03.2011 00:35:35 xorrito *mean 07.03.2011 00:35:59 Admc o.O 07.03.2011 00:36:30 xorrito have u guys piked a name? 07.03.2011 00:36:38 @ValkaTR lol no 07.03.2011 00:36:40 Admc Yep 07.03.2011 00:36:53 Admc Wait 07.03.2011 00:37:10 xorrito lol 07.03.2011 00:38:21 @ValkaTR im for Anthro Linux, other one for Anthro-OS, Eueiros or Eueira System, .... 07.03.2011 00:39:00 Admc Sergey said that we're staying with creatures name 07.03.2011 00:39:39 @ValkaTR that is good with me 07.03.2011 00:39:53 @ValkaTR im just against "OS" in the name, it is misleading 07.03.2011 00:41:47 @ValkaTR ok. i send log to mailinglist 07.03.2011 00:42:19 Admc Ok 07.03.2011 00:42:38 xorrito how bout retne? is just enter but backwards 07.03.2011 00:43:42 --> AdmcPL (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has joined ##fur-dev 07.03.2011 00:43:43 <-- Admc (~yaaic@B282087C.999B7E4B.5418EB4D.IP) has quit (Connection reset by peer) 07.03.2011 00:43:53 AdmcPL There's no hidden furry meaning ;p 07.03.2011 00:44:11 -- AdmcPL is now known as Admc 07.03.2011 00:45:13 xorrito there is :3 jk 07.03.2011 00:46:08 Admc What, I did't see it 07.03.2011 00:46:50 xorrito lol just a joke, im sitting behind a door that says that