How about ZK? Ajax but no Javascript

[Olli Wang]

ZK is an Ajax project but no need to use Javascript. There is a live
demo at their website. It seems very cool. They solved the problem that
AJAX couldn't execute correctly with all different client browsers.

http://www.zkoss.org/

[davi...@gmail.com]

That's such a fake. It's just another framework that generates
JavaScript for you using Java. Their demo doesn't work with JavaScript
turned off. Furthermore, while common tasks look relatively easy to
implement in their framework, there is any number of existing
JavaScript libraries out there that make JavaScripting this easy &
browser-compatible. And who in their right mind would trade JavaScript
for Java for client-side programming? Ah, Java programmers, that's
who.

Back to the drawing board...

[Jorge Vargas]

huh? doesn't the j stands for javascript?

TG cheats with the X part but that's because json is much more better
it's even more native then XML javascript wise

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[Marcelo Eduardo M. de Oliveira]

Olli,

Althought you, as developer using ZK will not use Javascript, you
markup code generates Javascript to the browser, and some browser
issues are not solved in general javascript, so ZK or anything else
cannot override this easily.

Older libraries, have workarounds around almost every usage you can
think of today, and if you don't want to code on javascript you have
Java options ( google web toolkit) Python (pyjamas) and now this
markup THAT in the end you must set event handlers in the code.

sorry if I misunderstood you, but your message sounded a little bit
odd. In the end the only scripting code you can rely on browser side
is : ecmascript / javascript.

Best regards,

Marcelo

[Olli Wang]

thanks, you guys. I thought I was a little confused about ajax. I was
wondering, is it worth to use another language to generate Javascript?
There're many java/ajax framework. If java could, how about python/ajax
framework? Or pure AJAX library is good enough?

[Marcelo Oliveira]

Hi,

Well, google made it's Javascript code generator and gives you some more "advanced" debugging stuff and takes "care" of the cross-browser in hidden layer from the programmer.
The same can be achieved with a good Javascript-only framework like mochikit or prototype or dojo etc..
So, if you already know and fell confortable with javascript : better, go for the pure Javascript and save yourself some trouble.

if you are interested there's other, like in python (pyjamas, porting google one to python). But I really advise you to face javascript.

BR

Marcelo

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