Ticket #6139

[Noah Kantrowitz]

Anyone object to deleting this ticket and continuing on with life? I'm
sure we all have better things to do and Ilias clearly hasn't changed
his ways. In the interests of sparing the moderation queue from his
vitriol maybe we should just outright ban him.

--Noah

[Emmanuel Blot]

> Anyone object to deleting this ticket and continuing on with life?

Sure not.

> I'm sure we all have better things to do and Ilias clearly hasn't changed
> his ways.

This ticket has somewhat been useful to find out if he has.

Cheers,
Manu

[Noah Kantrowitz]

I wouldn't mind just saying anything written by him (tickets, comment,
wiki changes) will be reverted/deleted on sight. Even if the
contributions are remotely useful I'm sure there is someone else that
can make them.

--Noah

[Joshua Preston]

I am just curious, and arguably not fully educated on this topic, but
I am curious... I have read the ticket and a couple of his posts;
what was the exact offense? Minus the ticket comments, I can't say I
see how the punishment fits the crime. The references posted seemed
more to be critiques than insults.

Additionally, I am fully aware I have no say anyhow! Just be patient.

Thanks!

Joshua Preston
Sent from my iPhone

[Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven]

-On [20071007 06:23], Joshua Preston (joshua....@tfcci.com) wrote:
>I am just curious, and arguably not fully educated on this topic, but
>I am curious... I have read the ticket and a couple of his posts;
>what was the exact offense? Minus the ticket comments, I can't say I
>see how the punishment fits the crime. The references posted seemed
>more to be critiques than insults.

The entire problem is that the discussions drag on and on and on without
proper focus (and dragging lots of non-relevant stuff into it) and with Ilias'
ideas and view of the world being the only right one in the end.

At least, that has always been my interpretation after watching him unleash
his 'expertise' on various mailinglists and groups I'm on (yes, this was not
his first list he offered his 'services').

Noah, considering how he asked (an)other project(s) to revert the changes he
had sent in, I think his contributions are potentially dangerous to be
included, so from that point of view I'd say: get rid of the contributed code
at least. If the ticket is remotely helpful, just clean it up and make sure
he's off the to:/cc: list.

--
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org> / asmodai
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The mediocre teacher tells, the good teacher explains, the superior
teacher demonstrates, the great teacher inspires...

[Manuzhai]

On 10/7/07, Noah Kantrowitz <kan...@rpi.edu> wrote:
> Anyone object to deleting this ticket and continuing on with life?

I'd rather encourage it than object to it.

Cheers,

Manuzhai

[Jani Tiainen]

Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven kirjoitti:

> -On [20071007 06:23], Joshua Preston (joshua....@tfcci.com) wrote:
>> I am just curious, and arguably not fully educated on this topic, but
>> I am curious... I have read the ticket and a couple of his posts;
>> what was the exact offense? Minus the ticket comments, I can't say I
>> see how the punishment fits the crime. The references posted seemed
>> more to be critiques than insults.
>
> The entire problem is that the discussions drag on and on and on without
> proper focus (and dragging lots of non-relevant stuff into it) and with Ilias'
> ideas and view of the world being the only right one in the end.
>
> At least, that has always been my interpretation after watching him unleash
> his 'expertise' on various mailinglists and groups I'm on (yes, this was not
> his first list he offered his 'services').
>
> Noah, considering how he asked (an)other project(s) to revert the changes he
> had sent in, I think his contributions are potentially dangerous to be
> included, so from that point of view I'd say: get rid of the contributed code
> at least. If the ticket is remotely helpful, just clean it up and make sure
> he's off the to:/cc: list.

I think this gives nice answer:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Ilias

So Trac is not first one to be hit by Ilias.... Just don't let it drag
attention nor resources and problem goes away.

--

Jani Tiainen

[Noah Kantrowitz]

Unless someone says otherwise I am going to just sanitize his
"contributions" then.

--Noah

[Christian Boos]

Hi,

Well, I object to valuable content being deleted irremediably...
I've just read on trac-tickets a comment by osimons, which was very
worth reading ... but that ticket #6141 is now gone. A bit
disappointing.

So if we "sanitize" Ilias content, at least we should do it in a
sensible way, and not remove valuable content written by others at the
same time.

-- Christian