Include priority problems with TiddlySpace

[Tobias Beer]

Hi everyone...

Assume you have a TiddlySpace called "myTheme" and another called
"following".

Now, including the space "following" (after having used "myTheme" for
a while) it would start to display certain tiddlers (like SideBarTabs)
from the "following" space instead of that form "myTheme" ...that's
not so lovely and may come quite as a surpries.

The situation was that I did not have any modifications in my Space to
those tiddlers as I obviously wanted them to be used from
"myTheme" ...even (and especially) the ColorPalette, too!

What to do about it?

Shouldn't there be an include order? Or would I have to uninclude the
space that is affected (in this case myTheme) and reinclude it after
the other one that I want it to overwrite? Would that mean that with
every include I would have to reinclude my theme space? That is not so
nice.

So, to cut a long story short... includes need sorting ...or even a
multi-level approach so that new includes always go into the first-
level and one would have to sort them into the second level which will
always be included after the first-level, etc.

Cheers, Tobias.

[chris...@gmail.com]

On Sep 24, 3:18 pm, Tobias Beer <beertob...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> So, to cut a long story short... includes need sorting ...or even a
> multi-level approach so that new includes always go into the first-
> level and one would have to sort them into the second level which will
> always be included after the first-level, etc.

This might help (I've not tried it myself):

http://inclusionsort.tiddlyspace.com/#inclusionOrderChanger

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Chris,

On the one hand, though user-friendly, I would say that a jquery
sortable is a bit of an overkill for the task. On the other, I believe
some sorting solution should be part of the TiddlySpace core as it is
quite fundamental or otherwise confusing to the uninitiated.

Cheers, Tobias.

[Tobias Beer]

@cdent,

As for the above mentioned multilevel-approach, I have a number of
dedicated plugin-spaces included in my space - containing not a lot
more than a single plugin - which I would love to see put in a
dedicated plugin-collection in the "includes" tab.

I would also be glad to see you comment on...
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_frm/thread/e208a5cc0bd6e131

Cheers, Tobias.

[PMario]

On Sep 24, 5:53 pm, Tobias Beer <beertob...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> On the one hand, though user-friendly, I would say that a jquery

> sortable is a bit of an overkill for the task. ...
me too.

>On the other, I believe
> some sorting solution should be part of the TiddlySpace core as it is
> quite fundamental or otherwise confusing to the uninitiated.
>
> Cheers, Tobias.

I think someting like: " ↑ ↓ x" [1] would be enough for basic
sorting, and I think this can be part of the core.

[1] http://baggr.tiddlyspot.com/#todo .. as an example

-mario

[Tobias Beer]

Hey PMario,

I like that Baggr thingy and I remember having worked on something
quite similar with someone (else?) earlier... can't remember what it
was called, but it was all about todo lists.

I think it were good if you gave your up-, down- and delete-buttons
(not just) a little more padding...

Also, I much liked those sorting approaches, where instead of arrows
one has input fields with numbers... you enter a new number and bang
it gets sorted into the right spot... seems a lot quicker to me than
"click down > move mouse down > click down > move mouse down > ... "

Cheers, Tobias.

[Tobias Beer]

Ah, found it...

http://kronenpj.tiddlyspot.com

That's was the one ...quite similar to baggr. ;o)

Cheers, Tobias.

[Bauwe Bijl]

Hi
I like the idea of a number (as a weight)..
For instance:
a new person adds a translation
later a new theme (or plugin....etc)
...the gettingstarted (which was translated) changes in english again
(it's from the theme-space)
Which implies that a translator space always must be the last space in
the list (heaviest by default).
Bauwe

[PMario]

Hi,
I like this idea.

*Given, that you know the weight of system-theme space, it would be
needed to make a user-theme space a little bit heavyer.

*The include plugin needs to recognice the weight while including,
sort the recipe accordingly and write it back to the server.
**expecting, that include asks, if I am happy with the new order
**A reload has to be done anyway

*This would make it possible, that a newly included space is
automatically inserted in the middle of the recipe.
*This would be very nice for plugin spaces, because they shouldn't
overwrite activated themes.

The only problem, that I see is, that the server bag configuration has
no field where to save this information.
@jon: But may be SiteConfig tiddler can be used for this.

Have fun!
mario