Please note how Steve Marshall has corrupted my signature file
at the very bottom in his reply message censoring my legitimate
post to talisman9. It reveals a great deal about his "moderating"
tactics on talisman9.
--
Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Glaysher" <fg...>
To: "M Chase" <mchase1....>
Cc: <jrcole@... >
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: [personal] talisman9 - ao forum
> Juan & Marleen,
>
> Is there a reason you're tolerating Marshall's continual censoring and
> harassing people? He openly slandered me as a covenant breaker early
> on, as did others, when I first began to post excerpts from Sohrab and
> terrorized others into silence. I repeatedly documented how such
> tactics were at variance with talisman9's purported Description, which
> is obviously only intended to work one way.
>
> I want it stopped now. Not in two weeks. Or stop the charade. Openly
> state talisman9 exists as a deceitful forum for the contemptible
> underlings of the administration.
>
> Allowing it to go on reflects poorly on both of you and on anyone else
> involved with talisman9.
>
> Frederick Glaysher
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
>
> --
> Date: 7/08/2004 12:20:59 -0000
> From: "Steve Marshall" <asm...@es.co.nz>
> To: "fglaysher2003" <fg... >
> Subject: Message not approved: Whatever happened to the Justice List?
> All headers
> Hi Fred and everyone on TRB,
>
> "Talisman is a discussion list not a chat list. Messages are expected
> to be constructive. Posters should back up their opinions with
> evidence and argument."
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/talisman9/
>
> Thanks for offering this message to Talisman. Unfortunately, lone
> rhetorical questions, particularly ones as cryptic as this is, don't
> meet the Talisman rules. I look forward to seeing this message on TRB,
> though, and hope my response is good enough to merit publication there
> as well.
>
> cheers
> Steve
>
>
> > Baha'u'llah's Justice or the incorporated organization's justice?
> >
> > Which does talisman9 represent?
> >
> > My, how so many questions are rhetorical....
> >
> > Frederick Glaysher
> > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> > http://www.fglaysher.com/babytorturer/
>
>
Original Message -----
From: ** CAUTION > Bahai Censorship **
To: jrc...@umich.edu
Cc: mcha...@earthlink.net
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: Open Letter to Juan Cole & Marleen Chase - talisman9
FYI
Again, I request that something be done immediately instead
of tacitly approving Marshall's "moderating" and corrupting my
signature file as detailed below: "babytorturer." That's inexcusable.
Or remove your "Description" to reflect the type of venue you then
are apparently supporting on talisman9.
Frederick Glaysher
"Slanderous vilification" (138).
Mirza Ahmad Sohrab. Broken Silence. The Story of Today's Struggle
for Religious Freedom. New York: Universal Publishing, 1942.
Reprinted. H-Bahai: Lansing, Michigan, 2004.
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/P-T/S/sohrab/BS.htm
Sohrab's entire book may be downloaded in one click. 21 megabytes.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/Sohrab.zip
I agree that the baby torturer thing is most out of step and disgusting.
He must have been temporarily insane from drinking all that
shark-infested water in New Dunedin. Seems to me that a moderator ought
to rise above the watermark when doing the job. Maybe he's trying out,
like Susan, for a position on the Board of the Learned. Or is it Lurid?
--Cal
> Dear non-bahai observer:
>
> Please note how Steve Marshall has corrupted my signature file
> at the very bottom in his reply message censoring my legitimate
> post to talisman9. It reveals a great deal about his "moderating"
> tactics on talisman9.
>
Dear Non-bahooooooveyeyeyey observer,
This is a rather clear cut case of the bahooooooveyeyey technique, by
its leading exponent. Note well how Steven Marshall has bravely stood
up to the bullying know-nothingess of this fanatic, and, for his
troubles, has been intimidated, and faces sanctions, a clear cut
violation of his free speech, and for what ... so this fanatic can
sidestep the issue of his own cheap sloganism vice constructive critique
of the actual issues?
...
- Mr. Bad
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(Note, another TRB Prophet is born!)
>> cheers
Hip hip!
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> > Baha'u'llah's Justice or the incorporated organization's justice?
>> >
>> > Which does talisman9 represent?
>> >
>> > My, how so many questions are rhetorical....
>> >
>> > Frederick Glaysher
>> > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
>> > http://www.fglaysher.com/babytorturer/
>>
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crol...@webtv.net (Cal E. Rollins) wrote in message news:<909-40E...@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>...
>tactics on talisman9.
> http://www.fglaysher.com/babytorturer/
Gee, I didn't know moderating could be so much fun!
> He openly slandered me as a covenant breaker early
>> on,
Steve did? Now that is funny! What other jokes has he played on you? Do please
show us where he did that?
>when I first began to post excerpts from Sohrab and
>> terrorized others into silence.
Terrorized, huh? Shame on you, Steve. You've got Freddie shaking in his boots!
>Openly
>> state talisman9 exists as a deceitful forum for the contemptible
>> underlings of the administration.
>>
LOL!
--
Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
Here is what Steve Marshall changed it to in his capacity as
"moderator" of talisman9:
> > Frederick Glaysher
> > > The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> > > http://www.fglaysher.com/babytorturer/
That change speaks volumes about the tactics and techniques
of fundamentalists among my fellow bahais....
For further details see"The Bahai Technique":
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
"** CAUTION > Bahai Censorship **" <BI*P*G...@LIBERTY.COM> wrote in message
news:2l5q1qF...@uni-berlin.de...
Is it legal to change somebody else's signature file? It sure doesn't
sound like it would be. To me it's like forging a check. I doubt that
the authorities would accept, "Gee, Your Honor. I was just having fun
when I forged that check." --Cal
--
Appears to be great fun to talisman9 "moderator" Steve Marshall and
people like bahai scholar Susan Maneck.... and tells us a lot about the
moral condition of the bahai administration....
--
Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
Join a new Yahoo Group, Bahai Censorship!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bahaicensorship/
"** CAUTION > Bahai Censorship **" <BI*P*G...@LIBERTY.COM> wrote in message
news:2l7fqtF...@uni-berlin.de...
At that stage is it your ass or your feet that they must kiss and grovel
before ... wot with you being the Mainifestation etc? That latter bit sure
tells us who is interested in intoxicating power.
BTW when the Titanic sinks don't forget the lifeboats - I'll be on one even
if you aren't!
Here's a further outrage. The list owner, we know who that is, seeks to
justify
Steve Marshall's slanderous vilification of me as a "babytorturer"!
Impartial nonbahai observers might wish to compare and decide
for themselves whether the picture fundamentalists labor so hard
to paint of me is accurate or not:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bio.htm
Gee, why don't you give us that post Freddie?
http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
Baha'i Studies is available through the following:
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/
To subscribe: use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.net
Says a lot about BS!
Nope, we never inferred anyone was a baby torturer there.
It wasn't inferred on Talisman either. Fred is upset about an email I
sent to him alone. He's sent a copy of that email to this list.
ka kite
Steve
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/AlisonMarshall2.htm
kia kaha
Steve
Thanks for drawing all our attention to it, Freddie baby.
Steve, I'm sorry, but for Fred's diligence in publicising
your little joke at his expense, this one would have passed
me by. And I am loth to miss even the most minor manifestation
of your excellent wit and good humour.
Freddie baby, do you reckon that this minor piece of retaliation
could have anything to do with the way you have been whining
and bitching about Steve rejecting your spam from the list
in public for about the last week or so?
Apparently, you are one of the worst offenders at bitching
when moderators don't let you abuse their trust any more.
Paul
Quick, Cal. Better warn Nima about that!
Palu, Nima-destroyer.
To his eternal credit, he has also left on site posts from
George which he cites as examples of Baha'i hate mail directed
at him:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/hatmail2002.txt
Here are some extracts. I particularly love Nima's attempts to
report George to btopenworld. Very ironic, in view of George's
latter incarnation as a lacky of Nima's, and a substitute spammer
when Fred went away.
"george.fleming2" <george....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:B9A620AF.96E3%george....@btinternet.com...
ACTION-ACTION -ACTION
If subscribers to one of the above groups are sick and tired of the spamfest
of this guy then repost this post back to your group until he stops.
Frederick Glaysher
<address deleted>
Inclosed is Spamming Freddies US address and Tele NO for those newsgroup
subscribers to report him for spamming (the papers below) on the newsgroups
below for five years: If you are sick of this guy continously breaking the
rules of the internet then report him in the US to the ISP he is using.
He gets away with it on "talk/alt. religion.bahai as he has a lot of
followers there who all support him but the other groups he is just a pain
in the ass to all those who are not interested in his selfcentered
repetitive regurgitive spamfest.
This is one of Freddies spamms.
<we've all seen enough of THOSE>
---
This is Nima reporting him:
Message-ID: <B9A6478E.9703%george....@btinternet.com>
References: <alpsc1$147k$1...@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de>
<B9A637E8.96F2%george....@btinternet.com>
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12:31:37 GMT)
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NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:31:37 +0000 (UTC)
To whom it may concern:
I would like to bring the following matter to your immediate attention as my
previous correspondence with you regarding this matter has so far not
produced any reply nor the requisite result. The following account holder
with your company, george.fleming2:
Message-ID: <B9A6478E.9703%george....@btinternet.com>
References: <alpsc1$147k$1...@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de>
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has incessantly spammed and is now making explicit threats against
individual posters on the talk.religion.bahai newsgroup on usenet
(constitutable assault under the Common Law). Such threats are, as I
understand, criminally liable threats as well as matters also constituting
tortuious libel and defamation. Under both statute and case law throughout
the three jurisdictions of Great Britian, the actions of Mr Fleming as of
now clearly constitute offenses under any interpretation. Such offenses
would arguably not only hold Mr Fleming liable, but possibly your own
company in an action of breach of the duty of care in Tort for your failure
to take action in the matter. As mentioned, I have contacted you previously
about this poster and I understand others have contacted you also, but so
far nothing has resulted. I hereby request your immediate investigation and
intervention in the matter.
Below, I append two samples of his posts. You may note there are tens of
dozens more of such posts available for your perusal on the
talk.religion.bahai NG.
Looking forward to your reply.
Yours,
Nima Hazini
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:24:42 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: BT Openworld
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You may wish to note that sending complaints directly to the system
administrator gets results.
Send complaints to,
and,
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This is what I wrote them.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "george.fleming2" <george....@btinternet.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: EXPOSED CONMAN IMPOSTER: Re: 23 - Prof. Cole, Univ. of
Michigan,"Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i
Community" -Fundamentalism as an ideology
ACTION-ACTION -ACTION EXPOSED CONMAN IMPOSTER
If subscribers to one of the above groups are sick and tired of the spamfest
of this imposter then repost this post back to your group until he stops.
Frederick Glaysher
668 Bolinger St.
Rochester Hills, MI 48307
248-608-6424
Inclosed is Spamming Freddies US address and Tele NO for those newsgroup
subscribers to report him for spamming (the papers below) on the newsgroups
below for five years: If you are sick of this guy continously breaking the
rules of the internet then report him in the US to the ISP he is using.
He gets away with it on "talk/alt. religion.bahai as he has a lot of
followers there who all support him but the other groups he is just a pain
in the ass to all those who are not interested in his selfcentered
repetitive regurgitive spamfest.
<alt.religion.bahai>, <alt.religion.christian>, <soc.culture.arabic>,
<soc.culture.indian>, <soc.culture.iranian>, <soc.culture.israel>,
<talk.politics.misc>, <talk.religion.bahai>, <talk.religion.misc>
This is a recent Freddies spam.
in article alpsei$1c2d$1...@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de, Bahai Faith at
BI*P*G...@liberty.com wrote on 12/9/02 11:03 am:
> "Fundamentalism as an ideology gives Counselors and the UHJ far more
> practical power than does liberalism, which is thus seen as "undermining"
> that power. Given the centrality and authority of these Baha'i
> institutions, the ability of fundamentalists to capture them may be the most
> important explanation for the increasing hegemony of this tendency in the
> movement."
>
> --
> Professor Juan R. I. Cole, University of Michigan,
> "Fundamentalism in the Contemporary U.S. Baha'i Community,"
> Religious Studies Review, Vol. 43, no. 3 (March, 2002):195-217:
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/bahai/2002/fundbhfn.htm
>
> Karen Bacquet, "Enemies Within: Conflict and Control in the Baha'i
> Community," American Family Foundation's Cultic Studies Journal:
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html
>
> --
> Frederick Glaysher
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "george.fleming2" <george....@btinternet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.bahai
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY. "Scapegoat (Lev. xvi) 1. Invented-
appointed to be sacrificed - appointed to be sacrificed
Hey Ron House the Maggot who likes to call me a flea. what are you doing
about Freddie here and his 5 year spamfest, seeing you are so annoyed by me
standing up to mummyboy Nima and rubbergub Dermod's cowardly wimpish attacks
on Dr Susan Maneck who has the guts to stand up for her Faith.
Mr Fleming the irritant Flea
in article aln7ge$1rfu1a$1...@ID-75545.news.dfncis.de, Bahai Faith at
BI*P*G...@liberty.com wrote on 11/9/02 10:54 am:
> OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY. "Scapegoat (Lev. xvi) 1. Invented
> by Tindale 1530.... One of the two goats that was chosen by Lot to be sent
> away into the wilderness, the sins of the people having been symbolically
> laid upon it, while the other was appointed to be sacrificed. 2. One who is
> blamed or punished for the sins of others. 1867 Freeman, He has been
> made the scapegoat for many of the sins both of other individuals and of
> the whole nation."
>
> Further details in "The Bahai Technique":
> http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
>
> --
> Frederick Glaysher
> The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
> http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
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