Shoghi Effendi's equivocation on the Third Reich: Shoghi & Hitler pt.1
NUR
11 February 1934
Dear Baha'i Brother,
I am charged by the Guardian to thank you for your letter of
Jan. 30th as well as for the enclosed pamphlet containing the
address delivered by Herr Hitler on Oct. 14th, 1933, on the
subject of Germany's attitude towards peace, all of which he read
with deepest care and sustained interest. He wishes me to convey
to you and to all the members of your German National Assembly
and through them to all the followers of the Faith in Germany his
views on the present conditions in that land, and particularly in
their relation to the nature and scope of the Baha'i activities
of our German believers.
At the outset it should be made indubitably clear that the
Baha'i Cause being essentially a religious movement of a
spiritual character stands above every political party or group,
and thus cannot and should not act in contravention to the
principles, laws, and doctrines of any government. Obedience to
the regulations and orders of the state is indeed, the sacred
obligation of every true and loyal Baha'i. Both Baha'u'llah and
Abdu'l-Baha have urged us all to be submissive and loyal to the
political authorities of our respective countries. It follows,
therefore, that our German friends are under the sacred
obligation to whole-heartedly obey the existing political regime,
whatever be their personal views and criticisms of its actual
working. There is nothing more contrary to the spirit of the
Cause than open rebellion against the governmental authorities of
a country, specially if they do not interfere in and do not
oppose the inner and sacred beliefs and religious convictions of
the individual. And there is every reason to believe that the
present regime in Germany which has thus far refused to trample
upon the domain of individual conscience in all matters
pertaining to religion will never encroach upon it in the near
future, unless some unforeseen and unexpected changes take place.
And this seems to be doubtful at present.
For whereas the friends should obey the government under
which they live, even at the risk of sacrificing all their
administrative affairs and interests, they should under no
circumstances suffer their inner religious beliefs and
convictions to be violated and transgressed by any authority
whatever. A distinction of a fundamental importance must,
therefore, be made between spiritual and administrative matters.
Whereas the former are sacred and inviolable, and hence cannot be
subject to compromise, the latter are secondary and can
consequently be given up and even sacrificed for the sake of
obedience to the laws and regulations of the government.
Obedience to the state is so vital a principle of the Cause that
should the authorities in Germany decide to-day to prevent the
Baha'is from holding any meeting or publishing any literature
they should obey and be as submissive as our Russian believers
have thus far been under the Soviet regime. But, as already
pointed out, such an allegiance is confined merely to
administrative matters which if checked can only retard the
progress of the Faith for some time. In matters of belief,
however, no compromise whatever should be allowed, even though
the outcome of it be death or expulsion.
There is one more point to be emphasized in this connection.
The principle of obedience to government does not place any
Baha'i under the obligation of identifying the teachings of his
Faith with the political program enforced by the government. For
such an identification, besides being erroneous and contrary to
both the spirit as well as the form of the Baha'i message, would
necessarily create a conflict within the conscience of every
loyal believer.
For reasons which are only too obvious the Baha'i philosophy
of social and political organization cannot be fully reconciled
with the political doctrines and conceptions that are current and
much in vogue to-day. The wave of nationalism, so aggressive and
so contagious in its effects, which has swept not only over
Europe but over a large part of mankind is, indeed, the very
negation of the gospel of peace and of brotherhood proclaimed by
Baha'u'llah. The actual trend in the political world is, indeed,
far from being in the direction of the Baha'i teachings. The
world is drawing nearer and nearer to a universal catastrophe
which will mark the end of a bankrupt and of a fundamentally
defective civilization.
From such considerations we can well conclude that we as
Baha'is can in no wise identify the teachings of Baha'u'llah with
man-made creeds and conceptions, which by their very nature are
impotent to save the world from the dangers with which it is
being so fiercely and so increasingly assailed. The Guardian
hopes that these brief explanations will be sufficient to guide
our German National Assembly in their efforts to safeguard and
promote the interests of the Faith, and that through them they
will be given a new vision of the Cause and a fresh determination
to carry forward its message to the world at large.
With greetings and best wishes to you and to all the friends
in Germany,...
[From the Guardian:]
Dear and valued co-worker:
I wish to add a few words in loving appreciation of your
strenuous, your intelligent and devoted efforts for the spread
and consolidation of our beloved Faith. May the Almighty bless
your endeavours, deepen your understanding of the essentials and
requirements of our beloved Cause, and enable you in these
difficult and challenging days to promote its interests and
consolidate its institutions,
Your true brother, Shoghi
(The Light of Divine Guidance, Vol. I, pp. 53-56)
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"There is nothing more contrary to the spirit of the Cause than open
rebellion against the governmental authorities of a country, specially
if they do not interfere in and do not oppose the inner and sacred
beliefs and religious convictions of the individual. And there is
every reason to believe that the present regime in Germany which has
thus far refused to trample upon the domain of individual conscience
in all matters pertaining to religion will never encroach upon it in
the near future, unless some unforeseen and unexpected changes take
place. And this seems to be doubtful at present."
(The Light of Divine Guidance, Vol. I, p. 54)
NUR
Here is the quote, again:
"There is nothing more contrary to the spirit of the Cause than open
rebellion against the governmental authorities of a country, specially
if they do not interfere in and do not oppose the inner and sacred
beliefs and religious convictions of the individual. And there is
every reason to believe that the present regime in Germany which has
thus far refused to trample upon the domain of individual conscience
in all matters pertaining to religion will never encroach upon it in
the near future, unless some unforeseen and unexpected changes take
place. And this seems to be doubtful at present." (The Light of
Divine Guidance, Vol. I, p. 54)
Shoghi Effendi said this in 1934 (not 1938). This proves several
things:
1) That Shoghi was not infallible and could not foresee a coming world
conflict as a result of the rise of Hitler;
2) That Shoghi had his head up his a$$ regarding the nature of the
Third Reich.
You can quote all the letters from your beloved koonee vali-e-amr/
guardian in 1938 when the war was looming over the horizon, but it
doesn't change the fact that in 1934 Shoghidelic had his head firmly
implanted in his backside regarding the Third Reich, as you all do
today.
Here is the full letter:
11 February 1934
Dear Baha'i Brother,
I am charged by the Guardian to thank you for your letter of
Jan. 30th as well as for the enclosed pamphlet containing the
address delivered by Herr Hitler on Oct. 14th, 1933, on the
subject of Germany's attitude towards peace, all of which he read
with deepest care and sustained interest. He wishes me to convey
to you and to all the members of your German National Assembly
and through them to all the followers of the Faith in Germany his
views on the present conditions in that land, and particularly in
their relation to the nature and scope of the Baha'i activities
of our German believers.
At the outset it should be made indubitably clear that the
Baha'i Cause being essentially a religious movement of a
spiritual character stands above every political party or group,
and thus cannot and should not act in contravention to the
principles, laws, and doctrines of any government. Obedience to
the regulations and orders of the state is indeed, the sacred
obligation of every true and loyal Baha'i. Both Baha'u'llah and
Abdu'l-Baha have urged us all to be submissive and loyal to the
political authorities of our respective countries. It follows,
therefore, that our German friends are under the sacred
obligation to whole-heartedly obey the existing political regime,
whatever be their personal views and criticisms of its actual
working. There is nothing more contrary to the spirit of the
Cause than open rebellion against the governmental authorities of
a country, specially if they do not interfere in and do not
oppose the inner and sacred beliefs and religious convictions of
the individual. And there is every reason to believe that the
present regime in Germany which has thus far refused to trample
upon the domain of individual conscience in all matters
pertaining to religion will never encroach upon it in the near
future, unless some unforeseen and unexpected changes take place.
And this seems to be doubtful at present.
For whereas the friends should obey the government under
(The Light of Divine Guidance, Vol. I, pp. 53-56)
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Shoghidelic is clearly equivocating.
Baha'i CULT FAQ
http://bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/
About Faryar Mansouri,
NUR
1.) The total politicization of Baha'ism into an administrative and
bureaucratic focused Stalinist Cult;
2.) The total corporatization of Baha'ism into a money making
religious multinational corporate venture;
3.) The complete incorporation of Baha'i Inc. as an arm and extension
of political Zionism;
4.) Complicity in the illegal expropriation of the homes and lands of
absentee Palestinian landlords in Haifa-Acre;
5.) Wealing and dealing with greedy Anglo-American brokers and venture
capitalists, such as NY tycoon Bora Kavelin (who ended up becoming a
charter UHJ member), and who ended up completely hijacking the
organization of Baha'i Inc. and initiating the process of
marginalizing the majority Iranian constituency from power and
influence;
6.) The excommunication of a large constituency of individuals, which
included most of his extended and near family members as well as his
own parents;
7.) The total transformation of Baha'i Inc. into an instrument of
international cultist terror.
These are some of the legacies of the koonee guardian Shoghi Effendi.
AllBad
"NUR" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the quote, again:
>
AB: Did you see this one, before that?
> At the outset it should be made indubitably clear that the
> Baha'i Cause being essentially a religious movement of a
> spiritual character stands above every political party or group,
> and thus cannot and should not act in contravention to the
> principles, laws, and doctrines of any government.
AB: Were you going to read it back to me a few times before telliing me
that it says something completely different while saying that it is the
same?
- All Bad
NUR
wrote:
> "NUR" <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d6ee8da6-d111-4bc3...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://iranian.com/main/blog/zulfiqar110/shoghi-effendis-equivocation...
>
> > Here is the quote, again:
>
> AB: Did you see this one, before that?
>
> > At the outset it should be made indubitably clear that the
> > Baha'i Cause being essentially a religious movement of a
> > spiritual character stands above every political party or group,
> > and thus cannot and should not act in contravention to the
> > principles, laws, and doctrines of any government.
>
> AB: Were you going to read it back to me a few times before telliing me
> that it says something completely different while saying that it is the
> same?
Did a TOTAL glaze-eyed cultist dolt such as you miss the equivocation,
and this:
NUR
See,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli
PAT KOHLI LIES ABOUT HIS IDENTITY ON SOURCEWATCH
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=User:Owen
You even look like a complete dick:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/pat-kohli/13/ba5/79
NUR
off to, eh KKKholi? Atomised and I have uncovered information about
him and friends of his which places him in direct, immediate proximity
to the military netro/techno-whatever-centric warfare industry *you*
work for. We had the name(s) Sourcewatched. I am certain you know who
and what I am referring to, glaze-eyed f-er.
On Sep 18, 11:17 am, NUR <wahidaza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pat Kohli - CAUTION (Baha'i Internet Agency hack)
>
> See,http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli
>
> PAT KOHLI LIES ABOUT HIS IDENTITY ON SOURCEWATCHhttp://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=User:Owen