On Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:36:25 PM UTC-4, A.Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT), prawnster
> <
zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >Today one of AmeriKKKa's most august jurists -- Oye! Oye! --
> >proclaimed that it is not the job of the Supreme Kourt to protect
> >citizens from the consequences of crappy legislation passed by
> >Kongress. This same jurist then went on to redefine the word
> >"penalty" to mean "tax," and declared 0'bamacare constitutional
> >because the federal gummint does have the power to collect taxes. So
> >the august jurist is saying that he's not there to protect us from
> >crappy legislation, but he is there to unilaterally rewrite
> >legislation so as to make it constitutional.
> >
> >Sound familiar?
>
> Yes, it is not uncommon for a creationist's screed to include one non
> sequitur after another.
>
> >Let's review!
> >
> >What is science? According to Darwinists, whose pet hypothesis would
> >fail by any traditional definition,
>
> Which is clearly reflected in the fact that it is almost universally
> accepted by the well educated and rejected mainly by uneducated
> fundamentalists.
I wish that were true, but the sad fact is that about half of the people who have doubts of evolution (they choose the "humans were created in their present form in the last 10K years" in polls) are *not* hopeless fundamentalists. Nor is another 20-30% that says "I guess something like evolution is true, but it's only fair to teach both sides."
Togethter they constatute a *majority*. They are mostly not "uneducated" (at least in non-science subjestc), but what little biology they learned in school is quickly replaced by many common misleading sound bites, often repeated by scientists who know better but are just careless with words (e.g, the "birds and animals" that I heard recently).
I could be wrong, but the only way to know for sure is to *test* it. But I'm convinced that we must stop obsessing over the fundamentalists (& trolls, some of whom are Lokis) who will not admit evolution under any circumstances, and reach out to those who can and do change their minds when shown how they have been mislead. Most are nominally religious, so statements like "lying for Jesus" will only chase them into the clutches of the scam artists.
>
> > it is creating an explanation for
> >phenomena and then convincing others that that explanation is true.
>
> You left out the part where the explanation is supported by evidence.
> The ToE is well supported by an overwhelming supply of evidence. Funny
> you would leave out this crucial point. Is this because of your
> dishonesty or your ignorance? With creationists it is sometimes hard
> to tell.
>
> >Is interpretation the same as observation? Yes, according at least to
> >talk.origins's preeminent troll.
>
> I suppose it could be claimed that to interpret you must first
> observe. There certainly would at least be a relationship of sorts
> there.
>
> >See how the need to have evolution regarded as science by redefining
> >terms is so corrosive?
>
> Except for the fact that it is the creationist who so often must
> redefine terms, as you appear to be doing here.
>
> >I know that the atheo-Darwinists here are all
> >doing a victory shuffle right now because their lord and savior Hussen
> >0'Bumster got his way, and now everyone in AmeriKKKa can go to the
> >doctor for free free free every time they have the sniffles. Oh boy.
>
> I would certainly hope that rational people (this probably leaves most
> creationists out) recognize the fact that the vast majority of
> developed countries rely on socialized medicine and have better
> outcomes at much lower prices.
>
> Are you even vaguely aware of how we compare to the rest of the
> developed world regarding health care costs and comparative outcomes?
>
> Recognizing that you are reality challenged, I suppose that this is
> all way over your head.
>
> >So I will declare that the Supreme Kourt's unilateral decision to
> >redefine "penalty" as "tax" is a consequence of Darwinism.
>
> Yet another baseless non sequitur
>
> >Whadda ya think?
>
> I think you're fucking clueless, but then what's new.
On Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:36:25 PM UTC-4, A.Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT), prawnster
> <
zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >Today one of AmeriKKKa's most august jurists -- Oye! Oye! --
> >proclaimed that it is not the job of the Supreme Kourt to protect
> >citizens from the consequences of crappy legislation passed by
> >Kongress. This same jurist then went on to redefine the word
> >"penalty" to mean "tax," and declared 0'bamacare constitutional
> >because the federal gummint does have the power to collect taxes. So
> >the august jurist is saying that he's not there to protect us from
> >crappy legislation, but he is there to unilaterally rewrite
> >legislation so as to make it constitutional.
> >
> >Sound familiar?
>
> Yes, it is not uncommon for a creationist's screed to include one non
> sequitur after another.
>
> >Let's review!
> >
> >What is science? According to Darwinists, whose pet hypothesis would
> >fail by any traditional definition,
>
> Which is clearly reflected in the fact that it is almost universally
> accepted by the well educated and rejected mainly by uneducated
> fundamentalists.
>
> > it is creating an explanation for
> >phenomena and then convincing others that that explanation is true.
>
> You left out the part where the explanation is supported by evidence.
> The ToE is well supported by an overwhelming supply of evidence. Funny
> you would leave out this crucial point. Is this because of your
> dishonesty or your ignorance? With creationists it is sometimes hard
> to tell.
>
> >Is interpretation the same as observation? Yes, according at least to
> >talk.origins's preeminent troll.
>
> I suppose it could be claimed that to interpret you must first
> observe. There certainly would at least be a relationship of sorts
> there.
>
> >See how the need to have evolution regarded as science by redefining
> >terms is so corrosive?
>
> Except for the fact that it is the creationist who so often must
> redefine terms, as you appear to be doing here.
>
> >I know that the atheo-Darwinists here are all
> >doing a victory shuffle right now because their lord and savior Hussen
> >0'Bumster got his way, and now everyone in AmeriKKKa can go to the
> >doctor for free free free every time they have the sniffles. Oh boy.
>
> I would certainly hope that rational people (this probably leaves most
> creationists out) recognize the fact that the vast majority of
> developed countries rely on socialized medicine and have better
> outcomes at much lower prices.
>
> Are you even vaguely aware of how we compare to the rest of the
> developed world regarding health care costs and comparative outcomes?
>
> Recognizing that you are reality challenged, I suppose that this is
> all way over your head.
>
> >So I will declare that the Supreme Kourt's unilateral decision to
> >redefine "penalty" as "tax" is a consequence of Darwinism.
>
> Yet another baseless non sequitur
>
> >Whadda ya think?
>
> I think you're fucking clueless, but then what's new.
On Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:36:25 PM UTC-4, A.Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT), prawnster
> <
zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >Today one of AmeriKKKa's most august jurists -- Oye! Oye! --
> >proclaimed that it is not the job of the Supreme Kourt to protect
> >citizens from the consequences of crappy legislation passed by
> >Kongress. This same jurist then went on to redefine the word
> >"penalty" to mean "tax," and declared 0'bamacare constitutional
> >because the federal gummint does have the power to collect taxes. So
> >the august jurist is saying that he's not there to protect us from
> >crappy legislation, but he is there to unilaterally rewrite
> >legislation so as to make it constitutional.
> >
> >Sound familiar?
>
> Yes, it is not uncommon for a creationist's screed to include one non
> sequitur after another.
>
> >Let's review!
> >
> >What is science? According to Darwinists, whose pet hypothesis would
> >fail by any traditional definition,
>
> Which is clearly reflected in the fact that it is almost universally
> accepted by the well educated and rejected mainly by uneducated
> fundamentalists.
>
> > it is creating an explanation for
> >phenomena and then convincing others that that explanation is true.
>
> You left out the part where the explanation is supported by evidence.
> The ToE is well supported by an overwhelming supply of evidence. Funny
> you would leave out this crucial point. Is this because of your
> dishonesty or your ignorance? With creationists it is sometimes hard
> to tell.
>
> >Is interpretation the same as observation? Yes, according at least to
> >talk.origins's preeminent troll.
>
> I suppose it could be claimed that to interpret you must first
> observe. There certainly would at least be a relationship of sorts
> there.
>
> >See how the need to have evolution regarded as science by redefining
> >terms is so corrosive?
>
> Except for the fact that it is the creationist who so often must
> redefine terms, as you appear to be doing here.
>
> >I know that the atheo-Darwinists here are all
> >doing a victory shuffle right now because their lord and savior Hussen
> >0'Bumster got his way, and now everyone in AmeriKKKa can go to the
> >doctor for free free free every time they have the sniffles. Oh boy.
>
> I would certainly hope that rational people (this probably leaves most
> creationists out) recognize the fact that the vast majority of
> developed countries rely on socialized medicine and have better
> outcomes at much lower prices.
>
> Are you even vaguely aware of how we compare to the rest of the
> developed world regarding health care costs and comparative outcomes?
>
> Recognizing that you are reality challenged, I suppose that this is
> all way over your head.
>
> >So I will declare that the Supreme Kourt's unilateral decision to
> >redefine "penalty" as "tax" is a consequence of Darwinism.
>
> Yet another baseless non sequitur
>
> >Whadda ya think?
>
> I think you're fucking clueless, but then what's new.