Bakker in "The New Yorker"
Chris Heiny
popularized, profile study of Robert Bakker. I found it
pretty interesting - especially the fact that he is
apparently a rather stern, Old Testament style Christian,
the offspring of conservative Christian creationists.
I'd recommend it to all t.o readers.
Chris
James G. Acker
: This week's issue of the "New Yorker" has a rather long, if
Who is he or what is he doing that is important?
(Just want to know!)
Jim Acker
Chris Heiny
>Chris Heiny (ch...@eso.mc.xerox.com) wrote:
>: This week's issue of the "New Yorker" has a rather long, if
>: popularized, profile study of Robert Bakker. I found it
>: pretty interesting - especially the fact that he is
>: apparently a rather stern, Old Testament style Christian,
>: the offspring of conservative Christian creationists.
>: I'd recommend it to all t.o readers.
>
> (Just want to know!)
Bakker (nor relation to Jim & Tammy Fae) is the author of a
well-known popular paleontology book "The Dinosaur Heresies",
some less well known popular stuff, and a bunch of technical
stuff. He's probably the best known (popularly) practicing
paleontologust alive.
He is well known in the paleontologic circles as a propenent
(quite vociferous) of true hot-bloodedness for dinosaurs. His
style can be somewhat grating, but he keeps the dinosaur
metabolism debates well stirred. Bakker probably has most of
(but by no means all) the responsibility for the 'revival'
of dinosaurs from coldblooded swamp dwellers that has occurred
in the past 20 to 25 years.
Chris
James G. Acker
: >: This week's issue of the "New Yorker" has a rather long, if
: >: popularized, profile study of Robert Bakker. I found it
Me:
: > Who is he or what is he doing that is important?
: > (Just want to know!)
:
: Bakker (nor relation to Jim & Tammy Fae) is the author of a
: well-known popular paleontology book "The Dinosaur Heresies",
: some less well known popular stuff, and a bunch of technical
: stuff. He's probably the best known (popularly) practicing
: paleontologust alive.
:
: He is well known in the paleontologic circles as a propenent
: (quite vociferous) of true hot-bloodedness for dinosaurs. His
: style can be somewhat grating, but he keeps the dinosaur
: metabolism debates well stirred. Bakker probably has most of
: (but by no means all) the responsibility for the 'revival'
: of dinosaurs from coldblooded swamp dwellers that has occurred
: in the past 20 to 25 years.
:
Thanks, Chris. He must have been quoted in the _Time_
article, but they concentrated more on the guy (name?) who's the model
for the chief scientist in _Jurassic Park_. I was too busy trying
to figure out how long _Omeisaurus'_ neck was.
Jim Acker
Bill Gascoyne
>
> Thanks, Chris. He [Bakker] must have been quoted in the _Time_
> article, but they concentrated more on the guy (name?) who's the model
> for the chief scientist in _Jurassic Park_. I was too busy trying
> to figure out how long _Omeisaurus'_ neck was.
>
> Jim Acker
That would be Jack Horner (what a name!) who is profiled in the current
U.S. News & World Report.
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David Wright
> Thanks, Chris. He must have been quoted in the _Time_
>article, but they concentrated more on the guy (name?) who's the model
>for the chief scientist in _Jurassic Park_. I was too busy trying
>to figure out how long _Omeisaurus'_ neck was.
Well, it was way too long to allow it to stand up in today's gravity,
however long it was :-)
Which leads us to an interesting point -- wouldn't it be nice if it
really were possible to genetically reconstruct, say, a brachiosaur
from fossil DNA. If it could stand up and walk around, what would be
Ted's reaction? (He'd probably deny it even as it stepped on him.)
-- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA
wri...@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily
Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people
David Wright
I think the recent flood of articles by and responding to Darius have
shown that we could use a little organization on talk.origins.
Darius shows up and posts something inflammatory, our resident experts
play "dogpile on Darius", he responds to practically everything they
write, several of them respond all his posts. Next thing you know,
we're in combinatorial explosion and there are 25 new articles since I
checked an hour earlier.
Could we have a small set of people who take on the newbies? This
could be a tag-team event, or rotating, or something, but it'd have
the same net result and would tend to keep things quieter.
OK, it's all very well for me to suggest this, since I wouldn't
exactly make the first team, but I still think it's a worthwhile idea.
BTW, nothing in this proposal is intended to keep everyone in sight
from piling onto Ted Holden. I wouldn't dream of depriving you of
that pleasure. I was thinking about the "merely misguided", not the
actively hostile.
Tim Ikeda
Hmm... Tag-team is one solution but perhaps e-mail routes would work better.
Then all Darius would have to do is summarize the mail and post his
responses to t.o. This seems to work well enough in other newsgroups.
If anything, it would reduce the number of infuriating, two-sentence replies
which we'd otherwise get.
Note to Darius: Take your time. Nobody here is going to experience
spontaneous combustion if you take the time to generate a coherent
essay and instead of immediately answering (I think...)
- Tim Ikeda
ti...@mendel.berkeley.edu
David Wright
This is some email I got from Darius Lecointe; as you can see, he
asked me to post it, since he inadvertently emailed rather than
posting. In a moment of weakness, I agreed to do so.
Just remember, he said this, not me! So be careful on those citations
if you follow up this post.
|It really amazing how something insignificant can generate so much smoke.
|What I said was not at all inflammatory: Something about Bertrand Russell
|accepting certain things which have less evidence than God. Next thing I
|know the God I believe, whom I was not trying to peddle, was being
|insulted and my position was being misrepresented even after I posted
|several disclaimers. I decided, that turned out to be a mistake though
|not regretted, that turn about was fair play so I turned the tables and
|began questioning in the same way I was grilled. That made some of them
|more angry. By that time some who got on to the thread late saw my posts
|as nonsense, which is understandable, and turned on the flamethrowers. In
|the meantime I was unaware that (well I just never changed the newsgroup
|line))) that this was being cross-posted to t.o. Unfortunately I was in
|the middle of a quiet spell so I had a lot of time to spend infront of the
|computer. I would get on at work then at home until about 1 a.m. I knew
|I was over posting when my system alerted me that I had used my disk space
|quota. Towards the end to me it was just debate and counter debate, the
|issues did not matter. I am sorry for the deluge, but it was not my intent
|to be a nuisance. This began on a.a. I have subscribed to t.o. just to
|lurk. I have not desire to enter an evolution vs. creation debate. Chalk
|and cheese to me.
|
|BTW, I think I may have pressed r rather than F. Could you forward this
|to t.o. Right now it comes straight at you. In any case your point about
|dealing with newbies is a good one. May be it should be implemented.
-- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA
wri...@hicomb.hi.com :: Those are Darius Lecointe's opinions, not
mine, and I take no responsibility for ANY of them
David Wright
>Dogpile avoidance?
"Dogpile on the rabbit! Dogpile on the rabbit" (Bugs Bunny)
>Hmm... Tag-team is one solution but perhaps e-mail routes would work better.
>Then all Darius would have to do is summarize the mail and post his
>responses to t.o. This seems to work well enough in other newsgroups.
>If anything, it would reduce the number of infuriating, two-sentence replies
>which we'd otherwise get.
And those replies also usually quote the entire article, too. (OOOOH,
I just *hate* that!)
Seriously, email is a perfectly reasonable response, but the main
reason for a posted response is so us great unwashed masses know that
the heretic has been properly chastisd :-)
Lawrence Drew Davis
>I think the recent flood of articles by and responding to Darius have
>shown that we could use a little organization on talk.origins.
There could be some merit here. The napalm is always ready to
hand on t.o, and I'm not sure how much persuading will get done,
as opposed to just offending, sending newbies off thinking
those t.o guys are not only wrong, but rude...
Ted already _knows_ the t.o crew is wrong and rude, so I guess
he'd be exempt.
--------------
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uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt5645c
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Bruce Salem
David Wright
>Did I hear you voulnteer to moderate this group?
You did not. Anyway, I'm not sufficiently versed in matters
cosmological or evolutionary to take the job.
KGA
of years back called "Digging for Dinosaurs"--it's especially
interesting if you're into the evolution of behavior in addition to
morphology.
Could somebody repeat the references for (non-technical) stuff
by Robert Bakker? And, while we're all riding the current wave of
Dinomania, what's your favorite dinosaur book?
KG Anderson
k...@unvmvs.oit.unc.edu
*********************************************************************
**God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up. Woody Allen**
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Daniel A Ashlock
or whatever in the face of vacations, unexpected work, and of
course the variable frequency nature of creationists posting.
The other problem is the assignment problem. We have various
strengths: my own is apparently to start mindless shouting
matches in which people blurt out what they really think. I
suspect this disqualifies me from the first string :).
The idea might be to have working groups by topic and let the
groups agree by e-mail who will take a given newbie. Also, the
groups should designate someone to mail relevant FAQs, ideally
the FAQ maintainer. Probably impractical but this _is_ the year
for trial baloons.
Lets Start a roster:
(Please extend it as appropriate)
Religious Mistakes and Confusion:
Kurt von Roeschlaub.
Bill Hamilton.
Stan Friesen.
Seanna Watson (if she is still around?)
Jim Acker
Biological Errors:
Chris Colby
Stan Friesen
Matt Wienner (sp?)
Errors of Logic and Scholarship:
Tero Sand
Richard Harter
Thomas Kettering (is he still around? Did I spell his name right?)
Cosmological Errors (e.g. can't tell the Big Bang from Evolution)
Jim Acker
The Big Bang FAQ maintainer (who is?)
Abiogenisis 'n Stuff
?
Mistakes in Physics/Thermodynamics (I don't follow these threads)
?
Mistakes in Information Theory
Dan Ashlock, on his best behavior.
Mistakes about Vellikovsky
The t.o. Dogpile & Jim Merrit.
Strange Philosophical Tangents
Onar the Thoughtful
Derrek Abbot
Gratuitous Insults
the inimitable Ted Holden (if he will take the work).
Matthew P Wiener
> Biological Errors:
> Chris Colby
> Stan Friesen
> Matt Wienner (sp?)
What's this? Am I being nominated for spelling errors?
--
-Matthew P Wiener (wee...@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
James G. Acker
: Religious Mistakes and Confusion:
:
: Kurt von Roeschlaub.
: Bill Hamilton.
: Stan Friesen.
: Seanna Watson (if she is still around?)
: Jim Acker
I (JGA) accept, as long as I can play third base.
: Biological Errors:
:
: Chris Colby
: Stan Friesen
: Matt Wienner (sp?)
:
: Errors of Logic and Scholarship:
:
: Tero Sand
: Richard Harter
: Thomas Kettering (is he still around? Did I spell his name right?)
:
: Cosmological Errors (e.g. can't tell the Big Bang from Evolution)
:
: Jim Acker
: The Big Bang FAQ maintainer (who is?)
I believe this is Peter Walker, who may still be waiting
for my summary of Guth's lecture.
: Abiogenisis 'n Stuff
:
: ?
I can handle basic chemistry, but defer to greater experts
on RNA-world, clay world, etc.
: Mistakes in Physics/Thermodynamics (I don't follow these threads)
:
: ?
:
: Mistakes in Information Theory
:
: Dan Ashlock, on his best behavior.
:
: Mistakes about Vellikovsky
:
: The t.o. Dogpile & Jim Merrit.
:
: Strange Philosophical Tangents
:
: Onar the Thoughtful
: Derrek Abbot
:
: Gratuitous Insults
:
: the inimitable Ted Holden (if he will take the work).
:
: Dan
: Dan...@IASTATE.EDU
In the following fields, the nominees are:
Anthropology
Herb Huston
Rich Fox
REAL Paleontology
Stan Friesen
Geology and Flood Geology
Chris Heiny
The guy with the Flood FAQ
Oceanography and Greenland Ice Sheet Isostasy
BILL HYDE
JGA (after all, somehow I got a degree in the field despite
all my U.B. assumptions)
That's all.
JGA
Peter Walker
(James G. Acker) wrote:
>
> :
> : Cosmological Errors (e.g. can't tell the Big Bang from Evolution)
> :
> : Jim Acker
> : The Big Bang FAQ maintainer (who is?)
>
> I believe this is Peter Walker, who may still be waiting
> for my summary of Guth's lecture.
I'll take the position of answering cosmological erroes, along wiht Jim,
but I'm afraid you'll all have to wait a while for the Big Bang/Cosmology
FAQ; I'm in the middle of preparing a new gamma-ray telescope for a
high-atmosphere balloon launch soon, and I'm a tad swamped.
Peter Walker | I refuse to be labeled immoral merely
Rice University | because I am godless.
Mickey Rowe
ch...@eso.mc.xerox.com writes:
> Bakker probably has most of (but by no means all) the responsibility
>for the 'revival' of dinosaurs from coldblooded swamp dwellers that
>has occurred in the past 20 to 25 years.
More than any other single person, perhaps, but I don't think you can
really give him "most" of the responsibility. I think a sizable chunk
should go to John Ostrom and his students. (Ostrom is the person who
discovered and named deinonychus--aka velociraptor, and he's also the
person who discovered the feather impressions on the Archaeopteryx
previously misidentified as Compsognathus. At least to hear him talk
now, the recognition that deinonychus' had weapons on its feet was a
seminal event in the "hot-blooded" controversy.)
> Chris
Mickey Rowe (ro...@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
Mark Isaak
> In the following fields, the nominees are:
>
> Chris Heiny
> The guy with the Flood FAQ
Actually, my main interest is entomology. I just took on Flood geology
because it was such an easy target. What you really want is some way to
give Andrew MacRae the ability to post. He contributed much of the
geology in the Flood FAQ.
--
Mark Isaak "There lives more faith in honest doubt,
is...@aurora.com Believe me, than in half the creeds." - Tennyson
Alan M Feuerbacher
>....
>Could somebody repeat the references for (non-technical) stuff
>by Robert Bakker? And, while we're all riding the current wave of
>Dinomania, what's your favorite dinosaur book?
One that contains some of the best drawings I've ever seen, and was
partly instigated by Bakker, is:
_Predatory Dinosaurs of the World_, Gregory S. Paul, Touchstone
and Simon & Schuster, 1988, 1989.
A sort of coffee table book containing lavish illustrations, is:
_Dinosaur!_, David Norman, Prentice Hall, 1991.
Alan Feuerbacher
al...@atlas.pen.tek.com
Herb Huston
}Chris Heiny (ch...@eso.mc.xerox.com) wrote:
}
}: >: This week's issue of the "New Yorker" has a rather long, if
}: >: popularized, profile study of Robert Bakker. I found it
T. Monmaney, "The Dinosaur Heretic," _New Yorker_ 69(15):42-52 (May 31, 1993).
}Me:
}: > Who is he or what is he doing that is important?
}: > (Just want to know!)
}:
}: Bakker (nor relation to Jim & Tammy Fae) is the author of a
}: well-known popular paleontology book "The Dinosaur Heresies",
}: some less well known popular stuff, and a bunch of technical
}: stuff. He's probably the best known (popularly) practicing
}: paleontologust alive.
}:
}: He is well known in the paleontologic circles as a propenent
}: (quite vociferous) of true hot-bloodedness for dinosaurs. His
}: style can be somewhat grating, but he keeps the dinosaur
}: metabolism debates well stirred. Bakker probably has most of
}: (but by no means all) the responsibility for the 'revival'
}: of dinosaurs from coldblooded swamp dwellers that has occurred
}: in the past 20 to 25 years.
}:
}
} Thanks, Chris. He must have been quoted in the _Time_
}article, but they concentrated more on the guy (name?) who's the model
}for the chief scientist in _Jurassic Park_. I was too busy trying
}to figure out how long _Omeisaurus'_ neck was.
Monmaney made a good case that the character of Alan Grant in _Jurassic
Park_ is a composite of Robert Bakker and Jack Horner. While Horner got
tapped to be the technical adviser for the film, Bakker was consulted by
Sega for the video game (to be released in July). During the game, when-
ever you get stuck, you can press a hot key to make Robert Bakker appear
to offer you some helpful advice.
This week some (all?) PBS stations will be rerunning _Dinosaurs!_ (not
to be confused with the moronic sit-com) in which both Bakker and Horner
appear. For us '60s holdovers, Barbara ("99") Feldon provides the voiceover.
(Jim: WETA on Monday night; MPT on Wednesday night. Everyone else: check
your TV listings).
-- Herb Huston
-- hus...@access.digex.net
C Frog
>In article <1umh5q$9...@morrow.stanford.edu>
> sa...@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) writes:
>>Did I hear you voulnteer to moderate this group?
>
>You did not. Anyway, I'm not sufficiently versed in matters
>cosmological or evolutionary to take the job.
That's okay. The majority of posts here are from people who aren't
sufficiently versed in them either.
> -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA
C Frog
James G. Acker
: This week some (all?) PBS stations will be rerunning _Dinosaurs!_ (not
: to be confused with the moronic sit-com) in which both Bakker and Horner
: appear. For us '60s holdovers, Barbara ("99") Feldon provides the voiceover.
: (Jim: WETA on Monday night; MPT on Wednesday night. Everyone else: check
: your TV listings).
:
: -- Herb Huston
: -- hus...@access.digex.net
Thanks, Herb!
Jim
Thomas Kettenring
> That's a good idea. The problem is maintaining the rotation
>or whatever in the face of vacations, unexpected work, and of
>course the variable frequency nature of creationists posting.
> The idea might be to have working groups by topic and let the
>groups agree by e-mail who will take a given newbie. Also, the
>groups should designate someone to mail relevant FAQs, ideally
>the FAQ maintainer. Probably impractical but this _is_ the year
>for trial baloons.
> Errors of Logic and Scholarship:
>
> Tero Sand
> Richard Harter
> Thomas Kettering (is he still around? Did I spell his name right?)
(Yes and no. But you hit the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center.)
> Mistakes in Physics/Thermodynamics (I don't follow these threads)
>
> ?
I think it *could* be a good idea too, and Logic is the right place for me.
But how is this supposed to work? If I see a flaw in a newbie's
posting, I send mail to Tero and Richard (if they agree to the job),
and we choose one of us to post?
Perhaps the person who wants to answer just informs the others about
it before starting to write, and they can give him suggestions if
they are on... multiple-author postings.
Up to now I handle it like this: If I find a flaw, I read the followup
postings if it is addressed, and if it is not, I wait for a day or so,
then post if it still isn't addressed or if I find a much wittier or
simpler retort. So I avoid to be the twenty-third person telling
Darius that he doesn't understand evolution.
--
thomas kettenring, 3 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
My last .sig was just too silly, so I gave it a kick. Now I'm lonely.
Come back, all is forgiven!
Chris Heiny x73186 - SETA
In article 19930604...@UNCMVS.OIT.UNC.EDU, KGA <K...@UNCMVS.OIT.UNC.EDU> writes:
>Could somebody repeat the references for (non-technical) stuff
>by Robert Bakker?
Best known is probably his "Dinosaur Heresies", published in the mid 80s
(86?). The very first non-gosh-wow-Golden-Wonder-Book dinosaur book
I read was "The Hot Blooded Dinosaurs", published around 1975-6. He's
edited or contributed to a bunch of other stuff. I think he was influ-
ential in the production of, of, of, oh heck I don't remember the
exact name (maybe it was "Dinosaurs Past And Present"), anyway, it's
a two volume glossy item - great paintings, great illustrations, great
content (there's a paper in there on reconstructing dinosaur musculature
and anatomy that should be read by anyone attempting to expound on
the subject).
I'll root around later this week and see if I can get better details
and more references.
Chris
David Wright
thought I'd try to answer some of the points that have been raised.
First, coordination would necessarily be loose; if two or more of the
designated respondents for a given area see something relevant, they
don't have to enter into elaborate negotiations to decide who sends a
response; they both can. The idea is more that at least one of them
does so; if none of them do, then things become wide-open. I'm just
trying to avoid what I'm tempted to dub the "Lecointe effect" where
one posting generates an exponential number of followups (in cascade).
I don't want to call it the Lecointe effect unless we make it clear
that this is not an honor (sort of like having a navigational
obstruction named after you because your ship ran aground on it).
I have no problems with the proposed lineup, which is reproduced below
(with modifications based on follow-ups).
My usual approach to inflammatory postings is rather like Thomas
Kettenring's; wait a bit to see if any other responses arrive, and
light the flamethrower if not. Unfortunately, not everyone takes
this laid-back tack.
One item missing from my original post -- dogpiles are OK not only on
Ted, but on Lionel. I had mercifully forgotten about Lionel until he
oozed back onto t.o this week.
OK, proposed lineup (we are still missing contributors for some areas,
so speak up if you'd like to take on the position):
Religious Mistakes and Confusion:
Kurt von Roeschlaub.
Bill Hamilton.
Stan Friesen.
Seanna Watson (if she is still around?)
Jim Acker
Biological Errors:
Chris Colby
Stan Friesen
Matt Wiener
Errors of Logic and Scholarship:
Tero Sand
Richard Harter
Thomas Kettenring
Cosmological Errors (e.g. can't tell the Big Bang from Evolution)
Jim Acker
The Big Bang FAQ maintainer (who is?)
Abiogenisis 'n Stuff
?
Mistakes in Physics/Thermodynamics (including 2nd law, of course)
?
Mistakes in Information Theory
Dan Ashlock, on his best behavior.
Mistakes by Velikovsky or involving the Saturn Myth
The t.o. Dogpile & Jim Merrit.
Mistakes about Velikovsky or the Saturn Myth
Ted Holden (if he wants the job)
Strange Philosophical Tangents
Onar the Thoughtful (psychoanalysis while u wait)
Derrek Abbot
Are we reaching concurrence here?
-- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA
wri...@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily
Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all Right-Thinking People
Peter Walker
wrote:
>
>
> Cosmological Errors (e.g. can't tell the Big Bang from Evolution)
>
> Jim Acker
> The Big Bang FAQ maintainer (who is?)
That's me. I haven't had the chance to work on it yet, but I'll be on it
soon.
Peter Walker | I refuse to be labeled immoral merely
Rice University | because I am godless.
Departmant of Space Physics | -me, on alt.atheism
and Astronomy | "Calling atheism a religion is like
Houston, Texas | calling health an illness."
| -Norman R. Paterson, on
alt.atheism
Richard Harter
>OK, my designated hitter idea seems to meet with basic approval, so I
>thought I'd try to answer some of the points that have been raised.
>OK, proposed lineup (we are still missing contributors for some areas,
>so speak up if you'd like to take on the position):
> Errors of Logic and Scholarship:
> Tero Sand
> Richard Harter
> Thomas Kettenring
Although I am indeed famed for my errors of logic and scholarship I
don't quite understand the conditions. Am I to contribute them randomly
or is there a schedule that I have to follow, much like the monthly
FAQ's.
Oops, sorry about that. I misunderstood. I thought I was being asked
to contribute errors of logic and scholarship. I felt quite honored in
being singled out when there are so many other skilled practioners. I
see I am being asked to correct [or at least comment on] said errors by
others. I have to give fair warning that my, ah, corrections will be
random. Furthermore, I feel no obligation to shovel sand against the
tide. There are persons whose errors of fact, logic, and scholarship
are so volumnious that attempting to keep up with them is a hopeless
task. For example, the ineffable Tun.
--
Richard Harter: SMDS Inc. Net address: r...@smds.com Phone: 508-369-7398
US Mail: SMDS Inc., PO Box 555, Concord MA 01742. Fax: 508-369-8272
In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
Tero Sand
>random. Furthermore, I feel no obligation to shovel sand against the
>tide.
I should hope so.
Tero Sand
--
EMail: cus...@cc.helsinki.fi or cus...@cc.helsinki.fi
"I feel most ministers who claim they've heard God's voice are eating
too much pizza before they go to bed at night, and it's really an
intestinal disorder, not a revelation." - Reverend Jerry Falwell
Thomas Kettenring
bites... uh... you know what I mean.
In article <1v8i7q...@duca.hi.com>, wri...@duca.hi.com (David Wright) writes:
>My usual approach to inflammatory postings is rather like Thomas
>Kettenring's; wait a bit to see if any other responses arrive, and
>light the flamethrower if not. Unfortunately, not everyone takes
>this laid-back tack.
If *everyone* would do it like that, there would be a period of silence
before the storm, with everybody grinding teeth, then the flood would
come nevertheless, so the problem wouldn't go away.
>Are we reaching concurrence here?
OK with me. The empty places can be filled in later in some flexible
way. I'm not sure what will happen now to all those t.o regulars who
aren't mentioned, like Tom Scharle, Sue Bishop, or Crunchy Frog (heap
good!) They could join one of the theme factions, after consulting
you, or work freelance...
Stephen Watson
>>My usual approach to inflammatory postings is rather like Thomas
>>Kettenring's; wait a bit to see if any other responses arrive, and
>>light the flamethrower if not. Unfortunately, not everyone takes
>>this laid-back tack.
>If *everyone* would do it like that, there would be a period of silence
>before the storm, with everybody grinding teeth, then the flood would
>come nevertheless, so the problem wouldn't go away.
May I suggest a mechanism simlar to the way EtherNet resolves
collisions? When you see a post you ought to respond to, wait a
random time between 1 and 12 hours. If, at the expiry of the
time-out, other posts have arrived at your site which adequately
answer the original post, fine and good. If not, then flame at will
;-).
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|kr...@physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring) writes:
|||My usual approach to inflammatory postings is rather like Thomas
|||Kettenring's; wait a bit to see if any other responses arrive, and
|||light the flamethrower if not. Unfortunately, not everyone takes
|||this laid-back tack.
|
||If *everyone* would do it like that, there would be a period of silence
||before the storm, with everybody grinding teeth, then the flood would
||come nevertheless, so the problem wouldn't go away.
|
|May I suggest a mechanism simlar to the way EtherNet resolves
|collisions? When you see a post you ought to respond to, wait a
|random time between 1 and 12 hours. If, at the expiry of the
|time-out, other posts have arrived at your site which adequately
|answer the original post, fine and good. If not, then flame at will
|;-).
We end up having the same effect anyway, since postings take varying
amount of times to arrive, and most of our posters do not sit glued to
the screen waiting for the next one to arrive.
I think. :-)
Anyway, as long as we have a restricted circle of respondents for any
given topic, it keeps the flooding under control (with the usual
exceptions for dogpile on Ted, Kalki, and other public nuisances).
I do note, however, that we have a some reputable posters who have not
been asked to join the DH list. Hey, folks, really, it's not an
insult! Off the top of my head, I can think of Seth Bradley, Sue
Bishop, and Mark Isaak -- any of you want to volunteer for categories?
Anyone else want to volunteer them?
Mark Isaak
>I do note, however, that we have a some reputable posters who have not
>Bishop, and Mark Isaak -- any of you want to volunteer for categories?
My interests span a wide variety of categories (Ted, you may call me a
polymath), so in most areas there are specialists with much more
expertise than me. I will volunteer, however, to respond to subjects
related to any of entomology, psychology, and, of course, the once
hollow earth.
sbi...@desire.wright.edu
Well, if you need horse expertise, farm animal expertise and all the research
I did on mammoth preservation, I'm willing to cover those areas. Also, I
can offer to do some just plain old nagging. (Comes from being a mother
of a house full of teenaged boys, I get really used to totally stupid
statements that I must stomp on.)
Sue
David R. Henry
posts that us lurkers don't write. It'll keep me busy between compilings.
PS -- I believe I still have the near-definitive Design-A-.sig-for-Kalki
file somewhere that I was keeping when the Kalki were gracing t.o. with
their presence, just in case any one really wants a copy. Just to let ya
know.
"When the phone doesn't ring, it's me." --some country song I heard once...
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David R. Henry
>file somewhere that I was keeping when the Kalki were gracing t.o. with
>their presence, just in case any one really wants a copy. Just to let ya
>know.
Well, just to quickly stick my foot in my mouth, the many fevered requests
for this hot item made me go back and make sure that I had edited it into
a format worthy of passing on and being read. Only to find out that my
file has become gloriously corrupted somehow. In any case, I regret to
inform the gang here on t.o. that the definitive collection of Kalki
mock-.sigs, from the very first one to the post-modern last ones, appear
to be gone for good. Sorry.
"This is the dumbest thing you've ever done." --Gordon Moss
"Who's counting?" --Richard Darwin
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Keith Justified And Ancient Cochran
>
>PS -- I believe I still have the near-definitive Design-A-.sig-for-Kalki
>file somewhere that I was keeping when the Kalki were gracing t.o. with
>their presence, just in case any one really wants a copy. Just to let ya
>know.
Can I get a copy?
>"When the phone doesn't ring, it's me." --some country song I heard once...
"Since my phone still ain't ringing, I'll assume it still ain't you."
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