McCain and Cindy...Out of touch with ordinary Americans
Sid9
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
Published: August 22, 2008
PHOENIX - When Senator John McCain is in Washington, he lives in a luxury
high-rise condominium in Arlington, Va., owned by his wife, Cindy Hensley
McCain. Mrs. McCain also owns their condos in Phoenix, San Diego and
Coronado, Calif., and their vacation compound near Sedona, Ariz. And it is
the beer business, Hensley & Company, she inherited from her father that is
the source of the McCain family fortune.
Senator John McCain and his wife, Cindy, with their children, in 1999. From
left, Meghan, 14; Bridget, 8; James, 11; and Jack, 13. The children, along
with Andy McCain, the senator's stepson, all own a percentage of Hensley &
Company, the beer distributor founded by their grandfather. Bridget, born in
Bangladesh and adopted by the McCains in 1991, owns the least, but her stake
is expected to match her siblings' eventually.
James W. Hensley, Cindy McCain's father. The company he founded is now the
dominant beer wholesaler in Arizona.
That fortune makes Mr. McCain one of the richest members of the Senate. Yet
barely a sliver of it is in his name.
Democrats have increasingly highlighted Mr. McCain's wealth. Senator Barack
Obama ridiculed him on Thursday for being unable to say how many homes he
owned, saying it showed that Mr. McCain was out of touch with ordinary
Americans. But with the McCains' money in Cindy McCain's name, as dictated
by a prenuptial agreement, the senator's finances are more difficult to
assess and scrutinize than those of many other political candidates.
The husbands and wives of senators are subject to fewer disclosure
requirements than their office-holding spouses. In addition, Mrs. McCain,
who files separate tax returns from her husband, controls a privately held
company and invests mainly through a web of limited-liability corporations
and trusts that have few disclosure requirements. She declined to be
interviewed.
"Cindy is a private person, and I think in many ways that defines her," said
Robert Delgado, her father's successor as chief executive of Hensley &
Company, who spoke at the McCain campaign's behest.
But the Hensley family wealth, from its rough-and-tumble origins to
prominence in Arizona's corporate world, is also the fortune that propelled
John McCain into national politics. A clearer picture of that fortune
emerges from a review of public records and interviews with employees,
business associates, friends and relatives.
Hensley & Company has grown from a tiny operation in the 1950s to the
dominant beer wholesaler in Arizona and the third-largest Budweiser
distributor in the country, with more than $300 million in annual sales. It
plays a leading role in corporate Phoenix - Andy McCain, the senator's
stepson from his first marriage and a top executive of the beer company, is
now president of the city's Chamber of Commerce - and is a forceful presence
in state politics on the issues that matter to it.
But by all accounts, Mrs. McCain is far from a forceful presence at the
company, where she is chairwoman.
She crisscrosses the country on the company jet, keeps an accountant on the
company payroll to mind her personal finances, drives a company Lexus with
"MS BUD" plates and says she oversees the company's "strategic planning and
corporate vision." Yet she almost never shows up in the office, is deemed an
absentee owner by Anheuser-Busch and has left scarcely a mark on the
company, present and former executives say.
Mrs. McCain has spent far more time as a volunteer on behalf of needy
children. She is a board member of CARE and Operation Smile, which provides
cleft-palate surgery for impoverished children; when she visited Mother
Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh 17 years ago, she brought a baby girl back
for the surgery and then adopted her.
Her business, however, recently found itself at odds with advocates for
pediatric hospital beds in Arizona's neediest communities and for a
statewide childhood education program. When the advocates proposed
initiatives that would raise liquor taxes, Hensley opposed them.
Mrs. McCain has not said how she would handle her business if her husband
were elected president. The federal government has domain over issues
important to the alcohol industry, like excise taxes, marketing to under-age
drinkers and beverage labeling.
Anheuser-Busch documents suggest that Mrs. McCain's ownership of Hensley &
Company could also create an unusual circumstance. The brewer's contracts
with wholesalers require that absentee owners supervise their managers,
attend meetings and make timely decisions, meaning that the business would
be overseen by the first lady. And if she chose to withdraw from ownership,
Anheuser-Busch would have the right to approve whoever bought her shares, or
to make an offer to buy them.
A Colorful Inheritance
He was a young husband and father before he went off to war. Wounded in
combat, he returned home a hero, but stunned his wife by divorcing her to
marry another woman. The warrior in this case was not Cindy McCain's
husband, but her father, James W. Hensley.
Jim Hensley's first marriage was to his Phoenix high school sweetheart, Mary
Jeanne Parks. Family lore says he was treading water in the English Channel,
after his B-17 was shot down, when his daughter, Kathleen Anne Hensley, was
born in February 1943.
The marriage ended there, according to that daughter, now Kathleen
Portalski. Recuperating far from home, he fell in love with Marguerite
Smith, a woman from Tennessee with a 10-year-old daughter. By March 1945, he
was divorced, and they married.
Back in Phoenix, he and his brother, Eugene, went into the liquor business
with Kemper Marley, a businessman who had cornered much of the market in
Arizona after Prohibition ended.
In March 1948, a federal jury convicted both Hensleys of concealing sales of
black-market liquor. Jim Hensley's six month sentence was suspended. A
second indictment, in 1953 for falsifying records to evade taxes, was
dismissed.
The Hensleys bought a New Mexico horse track in 1952. Eugene Hensley's role
at the track led to lawsuits, tax-evasion charges and prison. In 1969, he
sold out to a mob-connected company with close ties to Mr. Marley, according
to published reports. (The Phoenix police named Mr. Marley as the man they
believed ordered the 1976 assassination of Don Bolles, an investigative
reporter for The Arizona Republic. Mr. Marley, who died in 1990, was never
charged.)
Jim Hensley sold his stake in the track in 1955, and took a job at a beer
wholesaler. After buying the business, in 1959 he got a federal wholesaler's
permit as Hensley & Company.
Selling Bud in steel cans and Michelob draft, Hensley & Company started with
a 6 percent market share. But Mr. Hensley, bent on building the "Cadillac of
beer companies," lured workers with generous pay and benefits.
Few big cities have only one Budweiser wholesaler, but Phoenix had just
107,000 residents in 1950. A decade later, its population had quadrupled.
Hensley's market share shot to 50 percent in 1987, from 20 percent in 1970;
it now has nearly two-thirds of the market.
Those who knew Mr. Hensley, who died at 80 in June 2000, invariably sing his
praises. If he had one flaw, they add, it was being unable to say no to his
wife or their daughter, Cindy Lou, who was born in 1954.
At her father's funeral, Cindy McCain told of his gentle reaction when she
wrecked the car he had bought her after she graduated from the University of
Southern California, according to people who were there. She did not
mention, as a former employee recalled, that it was a Porsche and that he
replaced it with a Mercedes-Benz. When the young Cindy Hensley began
teaching high school and was criticized for driving a fancy car, the
ex-employee said, her father bought her a Volkswagen to drive to school.
Mr. Hensley also quietly subsidized his first daughter, Mrs. Portalski, and
her family. He paid for her children's schooling, gave them credit cards and
wrote company checks of $40,000 a year to Mrs. Portalski and her husband,
the couple said in an interview.
But in his will, Mr. Hensley left Mrs. Portalski just $10,000 and her
offspring nothing. "It's so disappointing, just being pushed aside," she
said. Mrs. Portalski said Mrs. McCain added insult to that injury by
referring to herself, in her eulogy for her father, as his only child -
while her half-sister sat in a front pew.
Shortly after Jim Hensley's death, Mrs. Portalski's daughter said, she tried
charging a meal and had her company credit card rejected. Her son says he
learned that Mr. Hensley's promise to pay his graduate-school tuition was no
longer operative.
A McCain campaign spokeswoman, Jill Hazelbaker, said Mr. Hensley's will did
not provide for continuing his periodic gifts to relatives.
Absent, and Entitled
Her father's death left Mrs. McCain with full control over his company,
though she has seldom intervened, executives say. "She's never been a
day-to-day manager in this business," said Mr. Delgado, the chief executive.
In the late 1980s, she set up a charitable organization out of Hensley
headquarters, distributing medical supplies in developing countries. But she
disbanded the group in the early 1990s after she became addicted to
painkillers and was caught stealing from its supply of drugs.
Since then, her parking space has seldom been occupied. In fact,
Anheuser-Busch treats her as an absentee owner, requiring Mr. Delgado to
have total control over business operations and capital investments.
Mr. Delgado confirmed that after Jim Hensley died, Anheuser-Busch approached
Mrs. McCain about buying the distributorship, because the brewer prefers
hands-on owners. But he said Mrs. McCain decided she wanted to be the
steward of her father's legacy.
But others who have seen the company's books gave another reason: The
company is handsomely profitable. She owns a controlling 34 percent share of
a company with net profits estimated at more than $5 million a year.
In addition, Meghan, Jack and James, the biological children of Mr. and Mrs.
McCain, each have 7.73 percent of Hensley & Company. Andy McCain, 45, the
senator's stepson, has 6.8 percent. Bridget McCain, the McCain's adopted
daughter, has shares worth 3.4 percent. (Ms. Hazelbaker of the McCain
campaign said Bridget's stake would eventually equal her siblings'.)
Mr. Delgado declined to discuss equity stakes or distribution of profits and
said Mrs. McCain spoke to him a few times a week, often about personal
financial issues. He said she took an interest in Hensley's charitable
giving and in "things that could affect the company's existence." For
example, when he proposed taking on debt to build a large warehouse in
Tempe, he said Mrs. McCain's input was "advice and consent." He praised her
for otherwise letting management run the business.
Another person knowledgeable about the company's finances said Mrs. McCain's
involvement in Hensley was more limited. "Delgado will tell her how much
money they made, so she can tell him how much she'll take out," this person
said. As controlling owner, Mrs. McCain is entitled to distribute profits to
shareholders whenever she sees fit.
How much she receives in profits is not a matter of public record.
Distributions to other shareholders, who discussed them only anonymously,
suggest she receives hundreds of thousands of dollars several times a year.
Mrs. McCain has released only a two-page Form 1040 from her 2006 return. It
listed $4.5 million in income from S corporations (like Hensley),
partnerships, rental real estate and other categories; capital gains of
$743,000, and dividends of $283,000. Mr. McCain's tax returns show that his
wife received a salary from Hensley of more than $430,000 each of the last
two years. (Mr. McCain listed $361,373 of his own income in 2007.)
Senate rules do not require spouses to specify the values of assets or
income sources exceeding $1 million, and Mrs. McCain has many of them,
including shares in Anheuser-Busch, which at a minimum are worth $2.7
million.
Mrs. McCain has also invested in banks, including one founded by Valley
National Bank, where her father got his first business loan. Valley
National, now part of JPMorgan Chase, holds a promissory note of $500,000 to
$1 million that Mrs. McCain has been rolling over annually since 2003. And
Hensley's entire debt of $30 million is held by JPMorgan Chase, Mr. Delgado
said.
Far more of Mrs. McCain's money is invested in real estate. With Sharon
Harper, a close friend, Mrs. McCain has stakes in three office complexes. At
the Brophy College Preparatory School, where the McCains' two sons went to
high school, the Harper Balcony sits just over the McCain Colonnade.
Mrs. McCain owns 10 homes, including rental properties.
There are the condominium in the Crystal City section of Arlington; two in
an oceanfront tower in Coronado; her father's condo in the La Jolla section
of San Diego; a $4.7 million condo atop one of Phoenix's newest luxury
towers; another unit on its fourth floor; and a $700,000 townhouse nearby.
Then there are Mrs. McCain's vacation homes outside Sedona. In 1985, a
Hensley entity bought the first, along Oak Creek. In 1996, Mrs. McCain
bought an adjacent home for $750,000.
In 1992, the McCains and the Harpers formed a partnership to buy six acres
of vacant land across the creek, and in 2000 they bought another neighbor's
spread. The Audubon Society turned the vacant land into a private bird
sanctuary with help from the McCains.
While all of the family's real estate is held by Mrs. McCain, the John and
Cindy McCain Family Foundation is funded by Mr. McCain. From 2001 to 2006,
its donations averaged about $260,000 a year. In addition to big donations
to children's causes, mine clearing and Parkinson's research, the United
States Naval Academy received $420,000 to run an ethics conference in the
senator's name; the Brophy school has received more than $250,000; Christ
Lutheran, which Bridget and Jim attended, more than $100,000.
Protecting Interests at Home
The booming Hensley business financed John McCain's entry into politics:
after marrying Cindy, he retired from the Navy in 1981 and planned a run for
Congress the next year. To that end, he took a public-relations job at
Hensley and set about introducing himself to voters. His father-in-law's
wealth - Mrs. McCain was given $639,000 by a Hensley affiliate in 1982 -
also enabled Mr. McCain to lend his campaign $167,000.
Today, Hensley & Company is a major donor to Arizona politicians, and has
fought increases in the state excise tax, now about 1.5 cents a beer. The
tax has risen only three times since the repeal of Prohibition, last in
1984, and remains 16 percent below the national median.
Its contributions have occasionally drawn bad publicity. In 1991, an
Anheuser-Busch lobbyist accused Jim Hensley of passing him cash to give to
lawmakers. But the lobbyist recanted, and no charges were filed. Hensley
workers also told a local columnist in 1989 that they had been pressured to
donate to specific political committees and to canvass for Mr. McCain's
first Congressional race in 1982. The company denied it. But workers say
Doug Yonko, an executive and nephew of Jim Hensley, still buttonholes
colleagues for donations. Mr. Yonko said all gifts were voluntary.
At the national level, the company's priorities, fought for by the National
Beer Wholesalers' Association, include rolling back the national excise tax
of about 5 cents a beer, last raised in 1991, and fighting efforts by
hard-liquor distillers to require labels showing the amount of alcohol in a
standard serving. The beer lobby also successfully opposed a bill to pay for
television advertisements combating under-age drinking.
Still, industry critics acknowledge that Mr. McCain has consistently recused
himself from alcohol-specific issues. Yet he has received more contributions
from the industry than nearly any other senator.
The reason, beer executives say, is that Mr. McCain is sympathetic to
business owners and shares their views on taxes and other economic issues.
But George A. Hacker, director of the Alcohol Policies Project at the Center
for Science in the Public Interest, a group that is a frequent opponent of
the alcohol lobby, said the industry would benefit if a McCain
administration steered clear of alcohol policy to avoid conflicts of
interest. Inaction, Mr. Hacker said, is almost always better than action in
the industry's view.
Nothing better sums up the low-key but formidable political power of Hensley
& Company than its response to two recent ballot initiatives.
Nadine Mathis Basha, the wife of a supermarket mogul, envisioned an
early-childhood education program for toddlers statewide. To pay for it, Ms.
Basha said, she approached Hensley in 2006 with a proposal to raise taxes on
alcohol and tobacco. Mr. Delgado told her that while he supported such a
program, a beer tax would "open the floodgates" nationwide and he would
fight it, Ms. Basha recalled. Daunted, she went ahead with a tobacco-only
tax increase, and her initiative passed.
This year, Phoenix Children's Hospital proposed an initiative to raise money
for pediatric hospital beds. Polling showed a liquor-tax increase would be
an easy sell, but the hospital still offered a 30-year moratorium on any
further liquor-tax increases. But Mr. Delgado said he learned that the
moratorium was not ironclad and vowed to fight. The hospitals, lacking money
for a costly advertisement campaign, folded, according to people involved.
But Hensley & Company is taking no chances. It is supporting another
initiative that would require that any ballot measure imposing a tax
increase be approved by a majority of all registered voters in the state,
not just of those who turn out at the polls.
Bob
if you're ordinary american I can see why he'd want to be out of touch
with u! mee too.
Christian D. Williamson
> For McCains, a Public Path but Private Wealth
>
> By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
> Published: August 22, 2008
This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
> But others who have seen the ...
>
> read more »
Charles Aulds
What's an "ordinary American"? I'd guess it's one whose annual family
income is close to the national median, which is $44,389.
US household income with percentages of the population falling into
each income bracket:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
So, do John and Cindy McCain represent people who make, oh say,
$50,000 a year or less?
Here's an interesting fact you can verify: If you made, last year, as
much money as John McCain spent on household help alone for his 7 (or
is it 8?) mansions and condos, $273,000, you’d be richer than 95% of
American families.
Isn't that amazing?
____
Charles
Charles Aulds
<chris.david...@gmail.com> wrote:
>This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
>McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
>copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
I think you're missing the point. The point is that McCain is running
for President this year, not John Kerry.
Yes, Cindy is the one with the money ... and that's where the real
story is, in my opinion ... that the Republican Party jumped so
quickly to that defense. John McCain is attempting to hide behind the
skirt of a woman ... how does that jibe with his tough POW war-hero
macho male image?
This is NOT the Republican Party I voted for, for 28 years, and this
is NOT a party I will support in 2008.
There's one way to put the GOP back on track; take it out of power,
and rub its nose in its weakness.
Party of "personal responsibility", my rear. I have more personal
honor, dignity, and courage than to vote Republican again.
___
Charles
Bob
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:53:22 -0700 (PDT), "Christian D. Williamson"
> <chris.david...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
>> McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
>> copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
>
> I think you're missing the point. The point is that McCain is running
> for President this year, not John Kerry.
the way u democRATs are going on and on you'd think Bush was running.
Charles Aulds
>> I think you're missing the point. The point is that McCain is running
>> for President this year, not John Kerry.
>
>the way u democRATs are going on and on you'd think Bush was running.
Actually, Bush's domestic and foreign policies will be voted on by the
American public. One candidate wants to continue them; the other
wants to change those policies.
I guess it boils down to: have those policies been successful?
___
Charles
Bob
I'd say, hell yes!
CB
$1.7 million annually. O'boobuh made more than that last year.
"She owns a controlling 34 percent share of
a company with net profits estimated at more than $5 million a year."
You Libs are so quick on ejaculating...on your self
--
CB
What Obama was saying was: "I don't have the wisdom to know when life
begins so I'm going to err on the side of killing it."
--TJ
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Charles Aulds
And, there you have it, folks! Vote for John McCain if you love
George W. Bush!
____
Charles
Sid9
nothing in his life that wasn't bought
or obtained through privilege.
McCain has NO understanding or
feel for what most Americans need
to bear in their daily lives
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Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
Bob
> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>
> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>
>
u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
come from the dem congress!
Hugh Wood
Then get off you baggy white ass and go to work. Maybe you too can
attain wealth someday. If you were'nt ugly as a mud fence and smelled
like a wet dog perhaps you'd be able to snag a rich,beautiful trophy
wife.Good luck nummnutts.
Hugh Wood
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:53:22 -0700 (PDT), "Christian D. Williamson"
>
I don't know why you kooks are so concerned about McCain and his
money. If Barry becomes President he'll increase taxes on the "rich"
to the point where EVIL rich people like McCain won't be able to
afford a mud hut and make over $1 a month. Relax. Enjoy life. Life for
losers is about to get a helluva "better".
Hugh Wood
Wrong on both counts. But,if you put the marxist in the Whitehouse
it'll be too late.
Hugh Wood
Or vote for the mulatto with the big ears if you love Karl Marx!
Hugh Wood
The libs feel they are'nt being GIVEN a big enough slice of the pie.
They're counting on Barry taking from the "rich" and sending them a
check. It's as simple as that.They'll always vote for the guy that
promises to punish the "rich" and create more government
"programs".Class envy. They do it every election. Straight out of the
democrat playbook.
Charles Aulds
There's a shining example of the conservative value of taking
responsibility for one's own actions, and mistakes.
The blame game ... wasn't played (as I recall, at least not to the
current extent) by the Republican Party I voted for, for 28 years.
___
Charles
Charles Aulds
<Burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I don't know why you kooks are so concerned about McCain and his
>money. If Barry becomes President he'll increase taxes on the "rich"
>to the point where EVIL rich people like McCain won't be able to
>afford a mud hut and make over $1 a month. Relax. Enjoy life. Life for
>losers is about to get a helluva "better".
Absolutely not true.
In other words, another lie.
___
Charles
Bob
yea and they will vote for B Hussein thinking he's going to help them
when he won't even help his own family. geez are they dumb or what?
Bob
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:53:04 -0400, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
>
>> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
>>> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>>>
>>> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>>>
>>>
>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
>> come from the dem congress!
>
>
> There's a shining example of the conservative value of taking
> responsibility for one's own actions, and mistakes.
I'm not a conservative.
>
> The blame game ... wasn't played (as I recall, at least not to the
> current extent) by the Republican Party I voted for, for 28 years.
yea can you believe those democRATs not accepting blame for their mistakes?
Kommienezuspadt
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===
Did Cindy McCain work for her money?
Kommienezuspadt
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> For McCains, a Public Path but Private Wealth
>
> By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
> Published: August 22, 2008
This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
===
Did you defend Kerry at that time?
Ddi you say he was "in touch" with middle America?
Kommienezuspadt
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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Well there's one vote -- or can you vote?
Kommienezuspadt
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
But the Repugs were in power for most of his time --- so please explain.....
Charles Aulds
>Charles Aulds wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:53:04 -0400, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
>>
>>> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
>>>> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>>>>
>>>> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>>>>
>>>>
>>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
>>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
>>> come from the dem congress!
>>
>>
>> There's a shining example of the conservative value of taking
>> responsibility for one's own actions, and mistakes.
>
>I'm not a conservative.
That's very obvious. And I hope it's equally obvious that I *AM*.
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Charles
Kommienezuspadt
===
If you think that --- get help -- now.
Kommienezuspadt
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> Hey Sid, down deep the article says Cindy nets 34% of $5 million, that's
> $1.7 million annually. O'boobuh made more than that last year.
>
> "She owns a controlling 34 percent share of
> a company with net profits estimated at more than $5 million a year."
>
How much she receives in profits is not a matter of public record.
Bob
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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Weird!
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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McCain probably spent more on servants than you made this year.
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Haven't you heard?
Marxism's dead
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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No one is concerned about his money.
He has very little.
He's a kept man...it's Cindy's money...
McCain has no clue about what
Americans face every day of their
lives...like bush,jr he is completely
detached from ordinary Americans
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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America's downturn started with
Reagan....continued with Bush,
the father, was stemmed for eight
years until wastrel bush,jr the
incompetent took over.....he
leaves his successor a mess of
monumental proportion.
Republicans have ruined our country
John Galt
Yea. Time for a little democratic failure. Can't hog the opportunities. :-)
JG
Bob
to live your life. try conservatism, you'll be happier.
Sid9
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Our country was very successful under Clinton.
Though harassed on bullshit for eight years he
handed Republican jr a country in far better shape
than jr leaves his successor.
Bob
> McCain has no clue about what
> Americans face every day of their
> lives...like bush,jr he is completely
> detached from ordinary Americans
>
>
if u mean detached from u then that is a good thing.
John Galt
Maybe he did, but I can tell you, from the perspective of somebody who most
likely won't vote for him, that as far as reasons to not vote for somebody
go, that one is utterly devoid of common sense.
These are all rich guys in the Senate who have been given opportunities most
of us don't get and they're success in politics is always tied to SOMEBODY
who helped them out because they expect payback.
Welcome to politics.
JG
Bob
> "Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
> news:ydUrk.15077$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Kommienezuspadt wrote:
>>> "Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
>>> news:SITrk.15051$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
>>>>> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>>>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
>>>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
>>>> come from the dem congress!
>>> But the Repugs were in power for most of his time --- so please
>>> explain.....
>> what's to exlain? everything was good till dems got congress.
>
>
> America's downturn started with
> Reagan....continued with Bush,
> the father, was stemmed for eight
> years until wastrel bush,jr the
> incompetent took over.....he
> leaves his successor a mess of
> monumental proportion.
>
> Republicans have ruined our country
>
>
keep it up.
John Galt
"Charles Aulds" <cau...@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:9s20b4t5ci5oic462...@4ax.com...
I agree completely. Something happened to the GOP when Clinton was elected.
Certain behaviors that I really don't remember happening in the 70's and
80's from the GOP started to occur.
JG
> ___
> Charles
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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You like being ripped off by "conservatives"
Some people like to be beaten regularly.
You will happily vote against you own self interest....Amazing!
Sid9
"John Galt" <kad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:PpUrk.51981$C65....@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
McCain is the same kind of mediocrity as bush,jr
The past eight years have been enough.
Bob
>
> Our country was very successful under Clinton.
embassy bombings, trade center bombings, Okla bombings and what did we
do under KKKlinton? bombed our allies in serbia! way to go KKKlinton
>
> Though harassed on bullshit for eight years he
> handed Republican jr a country in far better shape
> than jr leaves his successor.
>
u democRATs are dumb. congress holds the purse strings and it was a
Newt congress that you are bragging about. KKKlinton was lucky that way
Sid9
"John Galt" <kad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:lrUrk.30232$3I2....@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
There was a mean streak typified by Gingrich, Gramm, and others...
The destroy government attitude of Grover Norquist....
Logic left...Ideology reign supreme.
A dunce like bush,jr was found acceptable
Bob
> You like being ripped off by "conservatives"
nobody is ripping me off.
> Some people like to be beaten regularly.
whatever floats your boat
>
> You will happily vote against you own self interest....Amazing!
I've never done better personally so why would I want to change.
Here is a tip to prosper. do something, do it well, keep doing it.
it's not rocket science.
Bob
Bob
we started playing the game like the democRATs instead of playing with
one hand tied behind our backs like gentlemen. thank you dems for
bringing that out in us.
Charles Aulds
>>
>> Republicans have ruined our country
>>
>>
>sorry I don't see it. these have been the greatest years of my life.
>keep it up.
All Americans who feel that way will vote for McCain ... the others,
you won't convince.
____
Charles
Bob
not trying to
Winston Smith, American Patriot
>
> "Christian D. Williamson" <chris.david...@gmail.com> wrote in
> message
> news:48cccdf5-8e00-458a...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com.
> .. On Aug 23, 7:40 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> For McCains, a Public Path but Private Wealth
>>
>> By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
>> Published: August 22, 2008
>
>
> This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
> McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
> copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
>
>
> ===
>
> Did you defend Kerry at that time?
> Ddi you say he was "in touch" with middle America?
>
Hypocrisy is his distinguishing characteristic, so you have your answers.
>> she tried
>> But others who have seen the ...
>>
>> read more »
>
>
--
The real danger to the future of humanity is the preference
for surrendering to fear, superstition, and faith
in absolutist belief systems, and so to submit to these
willingly and to the control of those demagogues who
make use of these, rather than preferring
to reason with one's own mind.
CB
"Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...@NoThanks.net> wrote in message
news:48b01055$0$26242$882e...@news.ThunderNews.com...
>
> "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
> news:48b00181$0$11777$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> Hey Sid, down deep the article says Cindy nets 34% of $5 million, that's
>> $1.7 million annually. O'boobuh made more than that last year.
>>
>> "She owns a controlling 34 percent share of
>> a company with net profits estimated at more than $5 million a year."
>>
>
> How much she receives in profits is not a matter of public record.
> Distributions to other shareholders, who discussed them only anonymously,
> suggest she receives hundreds of thousands of dollars several times a
> year.
> Mrs. McCain has released only a two-page Form 1040 from her 2006 return.
> It
> listed $4.5 million in income from S corporations (like Hensley),
> partnerships, rental real estate and other categories; capital gains of
> $743,000, and dividends of $283,000. Mr. McCain's tax returns show that
> his
> wife received a salary from Hensley of more than $430,000 each of the last
> two years. (Mr. McCain listed $361,373 of his own income in 2007.)
>
> Senate rules do not require spouses to specify the values of assets or
> income sources exceeding $1 million, and Mrs. McCain has many of them,
> including shares in Anheuser-Busch, which at a minimum are worth $2.7
> million.
>
>
>
So the bottom line still remains duh same, the O'boobuhs made moe money last
year than the McCains.
Charles Aulds
>>
>> All Americans who feel that way will vote for McCain ... the others,
>> you won't convince.
>
>not trying to
What are you 'trying' to do?
____
Charles
Bob
tweak some libs with the truth.
John Galt
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
> Sid9 wrote:
>
>> You like being ripped off by "conservatives"
>
> nobody is ripping me off.
>
>> Some people like to be beaten regularly.
>
> whatever floats your boat
>
>>
>> You will happily vote against you own self interest....Amazing!
If all you think about your own self-interest, you have no idea what's best
for America. Amazing.
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the voters discover that they
can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that
moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the
most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy
will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed
by a dictatorship.”"
We've had "politics by promose of gifts" now for 80 years. And what are two
of the most often-heard complains about the last 8 years? Loose fiscal
policy and a loss of rights.
The problem is that we want to blame "the other guy" rather than admit the
policies of Greenspan/Bernake and Bush are TIED TO, not OPPOSED TO, the
social infrastructure policies of FDR and LBJ.
Noodle on that one for a bit.
JG
Charles Aulds
Why don't you "tweak" some conservative (like myself) with the truth?
And when can we expect that from you?
___
Charles
Bob
> "Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
> news:XxUrk.15097$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>
>>> You like being ripped off by "conservatives"
>> nobody is ripping me off.
>>
>>> Some people like to be beaten regularly.
>> whatever floats your boat
>>
>>> You will happily vote against you own self interest....Amazing!
>
> If all you think about your own self-interest, you have no idea what's best
> for America. Amazing.
>
> "A democracy will continue to exist up until the voters discover that they
> can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that
> moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the
> most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy
> will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed
> by a dictatorship.”"
>
> We've had "politics by promose of gifts" now for 80 years. And what are two
> of the most often-heard complains about the last 8 years? Loose fiscal
> policy and a loss of rights.
>
> The problem is that we want to blame "the other guy" rather than admit the
> policies of Greenspan/Bernake and Bush are TIED TO, not OPPOSED TO, the
> social infrastructure policies of FDR and LBJ.
>
> Noodle on that one for a bit.
the difference is I'v not asked for or taken from the govt. I get mine
by working for it, not asking the govt to take it from someone else and
give it to me.
Bob
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:11:04 -0400, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
>
>> Charles Aulds wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:00:52 -0400, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> All Americans who feel that way will vote for McCain ... the others,
>>>>> you won't convince.
>>>> not trying to
>>> What are you 'trying' to do?
>> tweak some libs with the truth.
>
> Why don't you "tweak" some conservative (like myself) with the truth?
OK
>
> And when can we expect that from you?
when the time is right.
Charles Aulds
You know where I'll be.
___
Charles
NECROCONSERVATIVES
"CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
But only have one house and one spouse.
Truth...@nospam.net
Sorry goober but you right wingers have run up an 8 trillion dollar debt
since reagon. It has to be paid, and those who benefited the most from
the right wing policys are going to pay their share. No more special
treatment for the greedy 5%.
Learn to deal with it.
In <45ae5235-55cb-40d5...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, on
08/23/2008
at 06:08 AM, Hugh Wood <Burto...@gmail.com> said:
>On Aug 23, 7:53 am, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
>> Sid9 wrote:
>> > You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
>> > Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>>
>> > No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>>
>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
>> come from the dem congress!
>The libs feel they are'nt being GIVEN a big enough slice of the pie.
Bob
>
> Sorry goober but you right wingers have run up an 8 trillion dollar debt
> since reagon. It has to be paid, and those who benefited the most from
> the right wing policys are going to pay their share. No more special
> treatment for the greedy 5%.
u dumocRATs think that might have something to do with the war on
terror? I guess u think we should just surrender like the Messiah? We
call it an investment in the future of our countries freedom. by the
way most of u dumocRATs voted for the war so u too are invested in the
results. welcome to the republic.
Witziges Rätsel
On Aug 23, 7:01 am, Charles Aulds <cau...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:44:51 -0400, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
> >Sid9 wrote:
>
> >with u! mee too.
>
> What's an "ordinary American"? I'd guess it's one whose annual family
> income is close to the national median, which is $44,389.
> US household income with percentages of the population falling into
> each income bracket:
> So, do John and Cindy McCain represent people who make, oh say,
> $50,000 a year or less?
> Here's an interesting fact you can verify: If you made, last year, as
> much money as John McCain spent on household help alone for his 7 (or
> is it 8?) mansions and condos, $273,000, you’d be richer than 95% of
> American families. Isn't that amazing?
>
>>>Then get off you baggy white ass and go to work. Maybe you too can
>>>attain wealth someday. If you were'nt ugly as a mud fence and smelled
>>>like a wet dog perhaps you'd be able to snag a rich,beautiful trophy
>>>wife.Good luck nummnutts.
>>>
How do you know what he smells like?
Al. E. Gator Esq.
On Aug 23, 7:03 am, Charles Aulds <cau...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:53:22 -0700 (PDT), "Christian D. Williamson"
>
> <chris.david.william...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
> >McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
> >copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
>
> for President this year, not John Kerry.
>
> Yes, Cindy is the one with the money ... and that's where the real
> story is, in my opinion ... that the Republican Party jumped so
> quickly to that defense. John McCain is attempting to hide behind the
> skirt of a woman ... how does that jibe with his tough POW war-hero
> macho male image?
>
> This is NOT the Republican Party I voted for, for 28 years, and this
> is NOT a party I will support in 2008.
>
> There's one way to put the GOP back on track; take it out of power,
> and rub its nose in its weakness.
>
> Party of "personal responsibility", my rear. I have more personal
> honor, dignity, and courage than to vote Republican again.
> ___
> Charles
I don't know why you kooks are so concerned about McCain and his
money. If Barry becomes President he'll increase taxes on the "rich"
to the point where EVIL rich people like McCain won't be able to
afford a mud hut and make over $1 a month. Relax. Enjoy life. Life for
>losers is about to get a helluva "better".
so, you're conceding already ?
Making life better isn't enough, we want to imprison, torture, and execute
all the hillbillies
responsible for the last 8 years, we also want to rape their wives and
daughters,(husbands and sons for some), the few good looking ones that is,
and kill their babies, bomb their houses and gated villages, sink their
boats, confiscate their assets,
that will make us even, and ensure that " Never Again"
Bob
>
> Making life better isn't enough, we want to imprison, torture, and execute
> all the hillbillies
> responsible for the last 8 years, we also want to rape their wives and
> daughters,(husbands and sons for some), the few good looking ones that is,
> and kill their babies, bomb their houses and gated villages, sink their
> boats, confiscate their assets,
that's what I thought u gumbies wanted. cause u 2 lazy to get ur own.
Al. E. Gator Esq.
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
coming from a retarded goober, too lazy and stupid to write a sentence,
it means a whole lot of nothing,
Like I have said in the past,
it always amazes me how stupid you hillbillies are,
and you just can't help but display that ignorance because you're too stupid
to
recognize and realize how stupid you are,
Gator's Hillbilly Mule Shop, Who's Ass is next ?
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
news:xuUrk.15094$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Huge deficits started piling up under Reagan and the two bushes.
That was a Republican raid on the treasury in an attempt to weaken our
government.
In that Republicans were successful
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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You win wars by fighting them competently
You win wars by not getting into one that is unwinnable.
You win wars by having good judgment
In the Keating five scandal McCain was charged with bad judgment.
There's no reason to believe he's gotten any better
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
news:KzUrk.15100$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Yeah...Republicans started putting party ahead of their country
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
news:iyUrk.15099$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Well, you seem to think mediocrity
is a great achievement...congratulations...
Republicans have plenty to give you.
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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You keep forgetting the lies that
bush,jr told that too us to war.
Some Democrats were dumb to
believe that lying shit of a failure.
but, he is president and patriotic
Americans don't believe their
president would lie regarding war
and peace
Sid9
"Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
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"War on Terror"?
For Republicans it's been a money making slogan with NO results.
Hugh Wood
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1458673f-fe88-48a8...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 23, 7:01 am, Charles Aulds <cau...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:44:51 -0400, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
> > >Sid9 wrote:
>
> > >with u! mee too.
>
> > What's an "ordinary American"? I'd guess it's one whose annual family
> > income is close to the national median, which is $44,389.
>
> > US household income with percentages of the population falling into
> > each income bracket:
>
>
> > So, do John and Cindy McCain represent people who make, oh say,
> > $50,000 a year or less?
>
> > Here's an interesting fact you can verify: If you made, last year, as
> > much money as John McCain spent on household help alone for his 7 (or
> > is it 8?) mansions and condos, $273,000, you’d be richer than 95% of
> > American families.
>
> > Isn't that amazing?
>
> > Charles
>
> Then get off you baggy white ass and go to work. Maybe you too can
> attain wealth someday. If you were'nt ugly as a mud fence and smelled
> like a wet dog perhaps you'd be able to snag a rich,beautiful trophy
> wife.Good luck nummnutts.
>
>
> Did Cindy McCain work for her money?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dunno. Maybe you should ask her. But, what difference does it make?
Like Bill Clinton said,maybe she won life's lottery? Good for her.
Hugh Wood
> "Christian D. Williamson" <chris.david.william...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:48cccdf5-8e00-458a...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 23, 7:40 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > For McCains, a Public Path but Private Wealth
>
> > By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
> > Published: August 22, 2008
>
> McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
> copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
>
>
> Did you defend Kerry at that time?
> Ddi you say he was "in touch" with middle America?
>
>
>
> > tried
> > charging a meal and had her company credit card rejected. Her son says he
> > learned that Mr. Hensley's promise to pay his graduate-school tuition was
> > no
> > longer operative.
>
> > A McCain campaign spokeswoman, Jill Hazelbaker, said Mr. Hensley's will
> > did
> > not provide for continuing his periodic gifts to relatives.
>
> > Absent, and Entitled
>
> > Her father's death left Mrs. McCain with full control over his company,
> > though she has seldom intervened, executives say. "She's never been a
> > day-to-day manager in this business,"
>
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Of course they did. Remember J.F Kerry windsurfing and snow skiing??
He's just a regular guy.
Hugh Wood
> "Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
>
>
> > Sid9 wrote:
>
> >> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
> >> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>
> >> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>
> > u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
> > been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have come
> > from the dem congress!
>
The democrats not only had control of congress for 40+ years they also
had the Whitehouse. The Republicans get a slim majority in congress
and the democrats stonewall and block every fucking thing the
Republican's tried to do. Then the democrats sit back and point the
finger at the other side when nothing gets done about anything.
Nothing ever changes.
Hugh Wood
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Aug 23, 7:03 am, Charles Aulds <cau...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > <chris.david.william...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
> > >McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
> > >copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
>
> > for President this year, not John Kerry.
>
> > Yes, Cindy is the one with the money ... and that's where the real
> > story is, in my opinion ... that the Republican Party jumped so
> > quickly to that defense. John McCain is attempting to hide behind the
> > skirt of a woman ... how does that jibe with his tough POW war-hero
> > macho male image?
>
> > This is NOT the Republican Party I voted for, for 28 years, and this
> > is NOT a party I will support in 2008.
>
> > There's one way to put the GOP back on track; take it out of power,
> > and rub its nose in its weakness.
>
> > Party of "personal responsibility", my rear. I have more personal
> > honor, dignity, and courage than to vote Republican again.
> > ___
> > Charles
>
> I don't know why you kooks are so concerned about McCain and his
> money. If Barry becomes President he'll increase taxes on the "rich"
> to the point where EVIL rich people like McCain won't be able to
> afford a mud hut and make over $1 a month. Relax. Enjoy life. Life for
> losers is about to get a helluva "better".
>
>
> If you think that --- get help -- now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why?? It's the truth. You seem to have a problem with facing facts.
Please seek professional help,or better yet drop dead.
Hugh Wood
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 7:53 am, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
> >> > You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
> >> > Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>
> >> > No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>
> >> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
> >> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
> >> come from the dem congress!
>
> > They're counting on Barry taking from the "rich" and sending them a
> > check. It's as simple as that.They'll always vote for the guy that
> > promises to punish the "rich" and create more government
> > "programs".Class envy. They do it every election. Straight out of the
> > democrat playbook.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I doubt it but so what?? Did'nt Al Gore senior have "servants"? His
"servants" were black and not allowed to eat at the same table as
whites. Where was your outrage then?
Hugh Wood
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 7:15 am, Charles Aulds <cau...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:06:44 -0400, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
> >> >> I think you're missing the point. The point is that McCain is running
> >> >> for President this year, not John Kerry.
>
>
> >> Actually, Bush's domestic and foreign policies will be voted on by the
> >> American public. One candidate wants to continue them; the other
> >> wants to change those policies.
>
> >> I guess it boils down to: have those policies been successful?
> >> ___
> >> Charles
>
> > Wrong on both counts. But,if you put the marxist in the Whitehouse
> > it'll be too late.
>
> Haven't you heard?
> Marxism's dead- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dream on catshit. Someone will come cover you up. Your big eared
doofus will make sure it's alive and well. He's not fit to run this
country. He'll do more damage in 2 years than can be repaired in 20.
That might be what we need. Let the American people see what you
socialist/marxists are really about. It would be the death knell of
the "democrat" party. I say goobye and good riddance.
Hugh Wood
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 7:03 am, Charles Aulds <cau...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:53:22 -0700 (PDT), "Christian D. Williamson"
>
> >> <chris.david.william...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >This is fabulously funny. Here you are ridiculing and condemning John
> >> >McCain for a rich wife, when just four short years ago you were
> >> >copying and pasting nothing like that about John Kerry.
>
> >> for President this year, not John Kerry.
>
> >> story is, in my opinion ... that the Republican Party jumped so
> >> quickly to that defense. John McCain is attempting to hide behind the
> >> skirt of a woman ... how does that jibe with his tough POW war-hero
> >> macho male image?
>
> >> This is NOT the Republican Party I voted for, for 28 years, and this
> >> is NOT a party I will support in 2008.
>
> >> There's one way to put the GOP back on track; take it out of power,
> >> and rub its nose in its weakness.
>
> >> Party of "personal responsibility", my rear. I have more personal
> >> honor, dignity, and courage than to vote Republican again.
> >> ___
> >> Charles
>
> > I don't know why you kooks are so concerned about McCain and his
> > money. If Barry becomes President he'll increase taxes on the "rich"
> > to the point where EVIL rich people like McCain won't be able to
> > afford a mud hut and make over $1 a month. Relax. Enjoy life. Life for
> > losers is about to get a helluva "better".
>
> He has very little.
> He's a kept man...it's Cindy's money...
>
> McCain has no clue about what
> Americans face every day of their
> lives...like bush,jr he is completely
> detached from ordinary Americans- Hide quoted text -
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And your former crack dealer/user does?? Btw, what the HELL is a
"community organizer"??
Hugh Wood
>
>
>
>
>
> > Kommienezuspadt wrote:
> >> "Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
> >>news:SITrk.15051$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> >>>> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
> >>>> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>
> >>>> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
> >>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
> >>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
> >>> come from the dem congress!
>
> >> explain.....
>
> America's downturn started with
> Reagan....continued with Bush,
> the father, was stemmed for eight
> years until wastrel bush,jr the
> incompetent took over.....he
> leaves his successor a mess of
> monumental proportion.
>
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Maybe to you. But unlike you I have a life and rather enjoy it. Maybe
you should get out of your travel trailer and look around sidney. Not
EVERYBODY is as MISERABLE as you. Of course if I were a liberal I'd be
angry and depressed as hell too.
Hugh Wood
> >> On Aug 23, 7:53 am, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
> >>>> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
> >>>> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
> >>>> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
> >>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
> >>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
> >>> come from the dem congress!
> >> They're counting on Barry taking from the "rich" and sending them a
> >> check. It's as simple as that.They'll always vote for the guy that
> >> promises to punish the "rich" and create more government
> >> "programs".Class envy. They do it every election. Straight out of the
> >> democrat playbook.
>
> > McCain probably spent more on servants than you made this year.
>
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sidney has'nt smiled since 2000. He's one of those angry leftists that
will put a marxist in the Oval Office just so he can say,"Ha-ha-ha.
See what we can do"?
Hugh Wood
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sid9 wrote:
> >> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:45ae5235-55cb-40d5...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Aug 23, 7:53 am, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
> >>>> Sid9 wrote:
> >>>>> You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
> >>>>> Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
> >>>>> No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
> >>>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
> >>>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
> >>>> come from the dem congress!
> >>> The libs feel they are'nt being GIVEN a big enough slice of the pie.
> >>> They're counting on Barry taking from the "rich" and sending them a
> >>> check. It's as simple as that.They'll always vote for the guy that
> >>> promises to punish the "rich" and create more government
> >>> "programs".Class envy. They do it every election. Straight out of the
> >>> democrat playbook.
>
> >> McCain probably spent more on servants than you made this year.
> > yea but that doesn't bother us. you are green with envy, not a good way
> > to live your life. try conservatism, you'll be happier.
>
>
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Tell me where your life has changed for the worse under Bush. Not your
neighbor or your granny I'm talking about YOU.
Hugh Wood
> "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:PpUrk.51981$C65....@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>
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>
>
>
>
> > "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:reUrk.15079$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> >> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:45ae5235-55cb-40d5...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Aug 23, 7:53 am, Bob <s...@ms.pam> wrote:
> >>>> Sid9 wrote:
> >>>> > You don't understand what an abject failure jr's been!
> >>>> > Republicans have failed domestically and in foreign affairs.
>
> >>>> > No area of our government has been immune from Republican failure
>
> >>>> u finally got something right! I don;t understand what a failure he's
> >>>> been because it's been such a grand success! The only failures have
> >>>> come from the dem congress!
>
> >>> The libs feel they are'nt being GIVEN a big enough slice of the pie.
> >>> They're counting on Barry taking from the "rich" and sending them a
> >>> check. It's as simple as that.They'll always vote for the guy that
> >>> promises to punish the "rich" and create more government
> >>> "programs".Class envy. They do it every election. Straight out of the
> >>> democrat playbook.
>
> >> McCain probably spent more on servants than you made this year.
>
> > most likely won't vote for him, that as far as reasons to not vote for
> > somebody go, that one is utterly devoid of common sense.
>
> > These are all rich guys in the Senate who have been given opportunities
> > most of us don't get and they're success in politics is always tied to
> > SOMEBODY who helped them out because they expect payback.
>
> > Welcome to politics.
>
> > JG
>
> McCain is the same kind of mediocrity as bush,jr
>
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If your big eared doofus somehow manages to pull this off I hope and
pray the republicans and the American people ride him like a bareback
bronc the way you kooks have blamed Bush for everything from roadkill
to Katrina.
Hugh Wood
> John Galt wrote:
> > "Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
> >> Sid9 wrote:
>
> >>> You like being ripped off by "conservatives"
>
> >>> Some people like to be beaten regularly.
>
> >>> You will happily vote against you own self interest....Amazing!
>
> > for America. Amazing.
>
> > "A democracy will continue to exist up until the voters discover that they
> > can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that
> > moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the
> > most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy
> > will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed
> > by a dictatorship.”"
>
> > We've had "politics by promose of gifts" now for 80 years. And what are two
> > of the most often-heard complains about the last 8 years? Loose fiscal
> > policy and a loss of rights.
>
> > The problem is that we want to blame "the other guy" rather than admit the
> > policies of Greenspan/Bernake and Bush are TIED TO, not OPPOSED TO, the
> > social infrastructure policies of FDR and LBJ.
>
> > Noodle on that one for a bit.
>
> the difference is I'v not asked for or taken from the govt. I get mine
> by working for it, not asking the govt to take it from someone else and
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10-4 !! All I want from government is for them to get the hell out of
the way !!!
Hugh Wood
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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He's upwind.
Hugh Wood
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'll send you some of my home addresses (yes,I have more than one) if
you promise to meet me and attempt to kill me and rape my wife. Sounds
like fun.
Hugh Wood
> "Bob" <s...@ms.pam> wrote in message
>
> news:nwVrk.15135$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
When was the last war won by a democrat sidney?
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I know...she never worked for her money...she inherited it all
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The country did well under Democrats...Started
to be destroyed with Republican Reagan and
Bush, the father, pulled out of a steep decline
by Clinton, and then ravished by bush,jr, the incompetent
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Something like $273,000 on servants.
If you made that kind of money your taxes will go up.
No doubt.
For most of us the taxes will go down.
Time to pay the piper for the damage
done by your fellow Republicans failed policies
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Non response...personal insults only.
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A lot smarter than fifth from the bottom of his class...
Obama....Magna Cum Laude.
McCain, privileged frat boy just like bush, jr.
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Agreed. I watched Republicans
wreck my country's government
and try to drown it in a bathtub.
They nearly succeeded, one failure
after another. Now they choose another
one from the bottom of the barrel
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Our big eared doofus graduated from
Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude.
McCain is a loser from the bottom of the
barrel, even after being handed a
free government paid scholarship.
(including room and board)
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Another anarchist heard from.
See Grover Norquist..."Drown the government in a bathtub"
Sid9
"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Every war we don't get into....See Buchanan's comments in the past few days.
McCain fucks around with Russia......just what America
needs...engaged in two wars and he fucks with a country
that has MIRVd nuclear ICBMs
Bob
>
> Well, you seem to think mediocrity
> is a great achievement...congratulations...
>
> Republicans have plenty to give you.
>
>
That's the difference between me and u. I don't want anyone to "give"
me anything.
Bob
>> I doubt it but so what?? Did'nt Al Gore senior have "servants"? His
>> "servants" were black and not allowed to eat at the same table as
>> whites. Where was your outrage then?
>
> Something like $273,000 on servants.
>
> If you made that kind of money your taxes will go up.
> No doubt.
>
> For most of us the taxes will go down.
>
> Time to pay the piper for the damage
> done by your fellow Republicans failed policies
>
>
obviously he doesn't care about what democRATs do. he's just trolling.
good job too.