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August 25, 2008

Obama responds to ad tying him to '60s radical

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 5:03 p.m. ET

DENVER (AP)-- Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has quietly
begun airing a television commercial countering an outside group that is
spending $2.8 million in an attempt to highlight his relationship with a
former 1960s radical.

The 30-second TV spot is a response to an ad by the conservative American
Issues Project, a nonprofit group that questions Obama's ties to William
Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground organization that took credit
for a series of bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and
U.S. Capitol four decades ago.

''With all our problems, why is John McCain talking about the 60s, trying to
link Barack Obama to radical Bill Ayers,'' the Obama ad states. ''McCain
knows Obama denounced Ayers crimes, committed when Obama was just 8 years
old.''


527_blue_collar_worker

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Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?
A cover-up in the making?

By Stanley Kurtz


The problem of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers will not go
away. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn were terrorists for the
notorious Weather Underground during the turbulent 1960s, turning
fugitive when a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey —
accidentally exploded in a New York townhouse. Prior to that, Ayers
and his cohorts succeeded in bombing the Pentagon. Ayers and Dohrn
remain unrepentant for their terrorist past. Ayers was pictured in a
2001 article for Chicago magazine, stomping on an American flag, and
told the New York Times just before 9/11 that the notion of the United
States as a just and fair and decent place “makes me want to puke.”
Although Obama actually launched his political career at an event at
Ayers’s and Dohrn’s home, Obama has dismissed Ayers as just “a guy who
lives in my neighborhood,” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas from
on a regular basis.” For his part, Ayers refuses to discuss his
relationship with Obama.

Although the press has been notably lax about pursuing the matter, the
full story of the Obama-Ayers relationship calls the truth of Obama’s
account seriously into question. When Obama made his first run for
political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde
Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman
of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where
Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg
board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and
almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During
Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education
projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year,
the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns
about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s
public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role
in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama
clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education
issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other
key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would
necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore
“exchanging ideas on a regular basis”). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted
that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random
happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing
political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts
Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.

This much we know from the public record, but a large cache of
documents housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of
Illinois at Chicago (UIC), is likely to flesh out the story. That
document cache contains the internal files of the Chicago Annenberg
Challenge. The records in question are extensive, consisting of 132
boxes, containing 947 file folders, a total of about 70 linear feet of
material. Not only would these files illuminate the working
relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers, they would also provide
significant insight into a web of ties linking Obama to various
radical organizations, including Obama-approved foundation gifts to
political allies. Obama’s leadership style and abilities are also sure
to be illuminated by the documents in question.

Cover-Up?
Unfortunately, I don’t yet have access to the documents. The Special
Collections section of the Richard J. Daley Library agreed to let me
read them, but just before I boarded my flight to Chicago, the top
library officials mysteriously intervened to bar access. Circumstances
strongly suggest the likelihood that Bill Ayers himself may have
played a pivotal role in this denial. Ayers has long taught at UIC,
where the Chicago Annenberg Challenge offices were housed, rent-free.
Ayers likely arranged for the files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge
to be housed in the UIC library, and may well have been consulted
during my unsuccessful struggle to gain access to the documents. Let
me, then, explain in greater detail what the Chicago Annenberg
Challenge (CAC) records are, and how I have been blocked from seeing
them.

Initially, as I said, library officials said that I could examine the
CAC records. I received this permission both over the phone and in
writing. The subsequent denial of access came with a series of
evolving explanations. Is this a politically motivated cover-up?
Although at this stage it is impossible to know, it is hard to avoid
the suspicion. I also have some concerns for the security of the
documents, although I have no specific evidence that their security is
endangered. In any case, given the relative dearth of information
about Barack Obama’s political past, there is a powerful public
interest in the swift release of these documents.

Access Approved
When I learned that the CAC records were housed at UIC Library, I
phoned and was assured by a reference librarian that, although I have
no UIC affiliation, I would be permitted to examine the records. He
suggested I phone the Special Collections section of the library and
set up an appointment with a special collections librarian. This
reference librarian also ran a search for me and discovered that, in
addition to the CAC records, one file folder in the UIC Chancellor’s
Office of Community Relations archive contains information on CAC from
1995.

I then spoke with a special-collections librarian and was again
assured that I would have access to the CAC records. I was told that,
while I could not personally make copies of the material, I could
identify documents of interest and have copies made by the library,
for a fee. I set up an appointment to meet with the special-
collections librarian, and she suggested that I e-mail her the
information on the CAC-related chancellor’s documents the reference
librarian had discovered, and confirm my appointment time. After I did
so, this special-collections librarian forwarded my message to a
graduate assistant.

The graduate assistant then e-mailed to let me know that, while the
CAC collection had been “processed,” the “finding aid” had not yet
been put online. (The “finding aid” is a detailed document of over 60
pages specifying the topics covered by each of the 947 folders in the
collection, and showing which boxes hold which folders.) Because the
finding aid was not yet online, the graduate assistant attached a copy
to her e-mail, inviting me to browse it and identify documents of
particular interest, so that the library could have some of the CAC
material out and ready for me immediately upon my arrival. I wrote
back indicating that I would like to see the single CAC-related folder
from the chancellor’s archive, and further identifying 14 boxes from
the main body of CAC records containing folders of special interest.
Having received clear and repeated representations from the UIC
library staff that I would be granted access to the CAC records, I
arranged a trip to Chicago.

Access Denied
What follows is more detail than some readers may want to know, but it
seems important to get it on record. If a body of material potentially
damaging to Barack Obama is being improperly embargoed by a library,
the details matter.

Just before my plane took off, I received an e-mail from the special-
collections librarian informing me that she had “checked our
collection file” and determined that “access to the collection is
closed.” I would be permitted to view the single CAC-related file from
the Office of the Chancellor records, but nothing from the CAC records
proper. I quickly wrote back, expressing surprise and disappointment.
I noted that I had arranged my trip based on the library’s assurances
of access, and followed up with questions about whether access was
being denied because I was unaffiliated with UIC. I also asked who had
authority over access to the collection, suggesting that I might be
able to contact them and request permission to view it.

After arriving in Chicago, I found a message, not from the special-
collections librarian, but from Ann C. Weller, professor and head,
Special Collections Department. In answer to my question of who had
authority over access to the collection, Weller said, that “the
decision was made by me” in consultation with the library director.
Weller stated that no one currently has access to the collection and
added that: “The Collection is closed because it has come to our
attention that there is restricted material in the collection. Once
the collection has been processed it will be open to any patron
interested in viewing it.”

I responded to Weller by recounting the clear and repeated
representations I had received from library staff that I would be
granted access to the collection, adding that I had arranged my trip
in large part because of these assurances. I then noted that I had
studied the CAC finding aid with considerable care. It was clear from
that finding aid, I said, that only five out of the 947 folders were
in any way restricted. Four folders, containing auditor’s reports,
where clearly marked, in bold type, “THESE FOLDERS ARE RESTRICTED VIA
ANNENBERG CHALLENGE until further notice.” A fifth folder, containing
records of eight CAC Board of Directors meetings in 1995, when CAC was
first set up, had a notation nearby with the word, “Consent.” It would
be a simple matter, I said, to pull these five folders, allow me
access to the remaining 942 folders, and contact the relevant
authority for consent to view the records of the 1995 board meetings.
After all, I added, Weller herself had said that, other than the
restricted folders, the collection ought to be open to all patrons.

I also pointed out to Weller that she had not quite entirely answered
my earlier question about who has authority over access to the
collection. So I asked who, precisely, holds the authority to bar or
permit access to the restricted folders. I added the following
thought: “Libraries, of course, exist, not to restrict information,
but to make it available to the public. I would hate to think that UIC
library was doing anything less than all it could to permit public
access to these important materials.”

Weller replied to this message by dropping the restricted documents
issue and saying instead that the donor of the CAC records “has
alerted us to the fact that we do not have a signed deed of gift.”
According to Weller, this means that UIC’s library has no legal right
to make the material available. The donor, said Weller, is now working
with UIC library to resolve the problem, and “we hope to be able to
provide access within the next few weeks.”

Replying to Weller, I briefly noted some elements of her account that
I found puzzling. I added that Weller had still not answered my
question about who the donor is, and/or who holds controlling
authority over the collection. I closed by alerting the library to my
intention to come in that day to examine the single CAC-related folder
from the chancellor’s records that I did have permission to see. Later
that day, I examined that one folder, took notes, and asked for the
entire folder’s contents to be copied and mailed to me. I have
received no further reply to my reiterated question about the identity
of the donor.

Shifting Story
There are a number of disturbing elements to this story. Recall that,
according to the graduate assistant, the collection had, in fact,
already been “processed.” Yet Weller’s initial message to me used the
unprocessed state of the collection as a reason for restricting
access. And when I pointed out how easy it would be to remove the
restricted files, Weller quickly came up with yet another reason to
block access. At the moment, I have no way of verifying Weller’s claim
that the library has no signed deed of gift, but how likely is it that
a collection of such size and importance would have been housed in the
library, and listed in publicly accessible international library
catalogues, without this very basic detail having been attended to?
It’s also puzzling that UIC now raises the absence of any formal
agreement with the donor — and thus the absence of any formal
restrictions by the donor — as a reason to deny access to a collection
placed in library custody precisely to facilitate public access.


More at:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM

Sid9

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James Of Tucson

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What crime did you say Barack Obama committed again?

Your posts are long and copied from others, and never get to the
point.


What law did Senator Obama break, and what is your evidence?


Now is really the time to come out with your evidence. After the
convention, it will be too late.

527_blue_collar_worker

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Read the post. Access to the files that tell the truth about Obama
has been denied. Obama and his thugs are really good at purging web
sites and sources for information about Obama's past. Obama himself
has told reporters that he has lost his state senate files for the 8
years he was a state senator.

Sid9

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"527_blue_collar_worker" <Gerald...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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This is diversion from "McCain's lie exposed"


Pappy

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Aug 25, 2008, 6:20:56 PM8/25/08
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Why aren't you in Denver, coward?


Hugh Wood

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Aug 25, 2008, 6:32:15 PM8/25/08
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So you don't have a problem with your Presidential candidate being
cozy with domestic terrorists/murderers?? You don't have a problem
with him being tight with a convicted felon? Just like you kooks don't
have a problem with Barry sitting in a church for 20 years listening
to his "spiritual advisor" and "mentor" rant and rave about hating all
whites and hating this country. GAWDD DAYUUMM AMURIKA !!

Hugh Wood

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Aug 25, 2008, 6:33:40 PM8/25/08
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Who said he "broke the law"?? You're known by the company you keep.
But hey, he's your boy and you're sticking with him.

Hugh Wood

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On Aug 25, 5:12 pm, 527_blue_collar_worker <GeraldCNew...@hotmail.com>
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He took lessons from his buddies in the Chi-town mob.

David Johnston

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So...where's the McCain lie?

Tazmanian Devil

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"Crappy" <ĹPa...@TDSKCY.com> wrote in message
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> Why aren't you in Denver, coward?
Why aren't you in Iraq, coward?

Harold Burton

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Aug 25, 2008, 9:25:43 PM8/25/08
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In article <mwFsk.16118$IB6....@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> August 25, 2008
>
> Obama lies to respond to ad tying him to '60s radical


>
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> Filed at 5:03 p.m. ET
>
> DENVER (AP)-- Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has quietly
> begun airing a television commercial countering an outside group that is
> spending $2.8 million in an attempt to highlight his relationship with a
> former 1960s radical.
>
> The 30-second TV spot is a response to an ad by the conservative American
> Issues Project, a nonprofit group that questions Obama's ties to William
> Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground organization that took credit
> for a series of bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and
> U.S. Capitol four decades ago.
>
> ''With all our problems, why is John McCain talking about the 60s, trying to
> link Barack Obama to radical Bill Ayers,'' the Obama ad states.


Because it's true.


> ''McCain knows Obama denounced Ayers crimes


Not really.


snicker.

Sid9

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"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Much smarter than the old
guy that crashed five jet
planes and graduated
near the bottom of his class.

We've had eight years of dumb.
Time for America to be led by
someone with a brain!

McCain is too shifty for America.


Sid9

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"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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After eight years of an incompetent
it's time for someone with a brain.


Sid9

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Sid9

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"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
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McCain is McSame...same as bush,jr,
the most incompetent president in America's history


bushlyed

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On Aug 25, 6:12 pm, 527_blue_collar_worker <GeraldCNew...@hotmail.com>
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>


> Read the post.  Access to the files that tell the truth about Obama
> has been denied.

Obama served as a lookout; it was really easy, he stood on the street
corner and the cops saw a black kid that they can harrass and left the
radical bombers alone

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names

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On Aug 25, 5:58 pm, 527_blue_collar_worker <GeraldCNew...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?
> A cover-up in the making?
>
> By Stanley Kurtz
>
> The problem of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers will not go
> away. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn were terrorists for the
> notorious Weather Underground during the turbulent 1960s,

WHEN OBAMA WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD.

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names

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On Aug 25, 6:32 pm, Hugh Wood <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So you don't have a problem with your Presidential candidate being
> cozy with domestic terrorists/murderers??


When he was eight years old and not even living in the same state as
these people??

Sid9

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Probably true....McCain doesn’t know much.


Pappy

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Pappy

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Pappy

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Been there.


Pappy

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Hugh Wood

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Aug 25, 2008, 9:52:18 PM8/25/08
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On Aug 25, 8:33 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Hugh Wood" <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Obama denounced Ayers crimes, committed when Obama was just 8 years old- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They're still friends you fucking imbecile. If Barry "denounced" Ayers
it was ONLY because he is running for President.

KR

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Pappy is really on a roll! ROFLMAO ! !
On Aug 25, 5:57 pm, "Tazmanian Devil" <m...@biteme.com> wrote:
> "Crappy" <ÅPa...@TDSKCY.com> wrote in message

Igor

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Aug 25, 2008, 10:20:11 PM8/25/08
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On Aug 25, 6:12 pm, 527_blue_collar_worker <GeraldCNew...@hotmail.com>
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Who needs to read the stupid post? What part of public files don't
you understand?

Igor

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So does that mean you'll help take the rap for Bush and Cheney when
their indictments start flying on Jan 20, 2009?


Sid9

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"Hugh Wood" <Burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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That was good judgment.

McCain as part of the Keating
five avoided jail but was tagged
for "Poor Judgment"

Haven't we had enough Republican
"Poor judgment" for the past eight years?


Tazmanian Devil

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"Crappy" <ĹPa...@TDSKCY.com> wrote in message
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> Why aren't you in Denver, coward?
Why aren't you in Iraq, coward?

Tazmanian Devil

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"Crappy" <ĹPa...@TDSKCY.com> wrote in message
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> Why aren't you in Denver, coward?

Why aren't you in Iraq, coward?

Tazmanian Devil

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"Crappy" <ĹPa...@TDSKCY.com> wrote in message
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> Why aren't you in Denver, coward?
Why aren't you in Iraq, coward?

Pappy

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Aug 25, 2008, 10:36:16 PM8/25/08
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Been there.


Pappy

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Been there.


Pappy

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Been there.


Al. E. Gator Esq.

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"Pappy" <ĹPa...@TDSKCY.com> wrote in message
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> Been there.
win a war yet shithead ?

git yer fat ass back in the game until you win, you cuttin and runnin piece
of gutless, hillbilly shit


Message has been deleted

Lamont Cranston

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527_blue_collar_worker wrote:
> Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?
> A cover-up in the making?
>
> By Stanley Kurtz
>
>
> The problem of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers
> will not go
> away.

It's already gone away, KKKwifi. What hasn't gone away is
your contention that there is a "whitey" tape. Where is
that tape, KKKwifi?

Lamont Cranston

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527_blue_collar_worker wrote:
> On Aug 25, 2:07 pm, James Of Tucson
> <james0tuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What crime did you say Barack Obama committed again?
> >
> > Your posts are long and copied from others, and never
> > get to the
> > point.
> >
> > What law did Senator Obama break, and what is your
> > evidence?
> >
> > Now is really the time to come out with your evidence.
> > After the
> > convention, it will be too late.
>
> Read the post. Access to the files that tell the truth
> about Obama
> has been denied. Obama and his thugs are really good at
> purging web
> sites and sources for information about Obama's past.
> Obama himself
> has told reporters that he has lost his state senate files
> for the 8
> years he was a state senator.

So, KKKwifi, you admit that Obama broke no law and that you
have no evidence. Thanks for sharing.

Where is the "whitey" tape, KKKwifi?

Matt

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On Aug 25, 5:32 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> August 25, 2008
>
> Obama responds to ad tying him to '60s radical
>
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> Filed at 5:03 p.m. ET
>
> DENVER (AP)-- Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has quietly
> begun airing a television commercial countering an outside group that is
> spending $2.8 million in an attempt to highlight his relationship with a
> former 1960s radical.
>
> The 30-second TV spot is a response to an ad by the conservative American
> Issues Project, a nonprofit group that questions Obama's ties to William
> Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground organization that took credit
> for a series of bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and
> U.S. Capitol four decades ago.
>
> ''With all our problems, why is John McCain talking about the 60s, trying to
> link Barack Obama to radical Bill Ayers,'' the Obama ad states. ''McCain
> knows Obama denounced Ayers crimes, committed when Obama was just 8 years
> old.''

Sid, why are you so hateful?

Matt

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Aug 26, 2008, 11:40:25 AM8/26/08
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On Aug 25, 9:41 pm, "Pappy" <ÅPa...@TDSKCY.com> wrote:
> Why aren't you in Denver, coward?

Why is this Sid poster so angry and hateful? Why can't he debate on
the issues instead of attacking? We all need to try and get along in
this world. All of us. We're all humans. I hope he can try and get
aside of the hateful rhetoric. I think both men are solid Americans.
May the best person win.

Sid9

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Aug 26, 2008, 11:52:17 AM8/26/08
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"Matt" <Hall...@aol.com> wrote in message
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John S. (Songbird) McCain 894th out of 899
Barack Obama, Magna Cum Laude, Harvard Law.

Republicans deliver another bottom of the barrel candidate!


Al. E. Gator Esq.

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"Matt" <Hall...@aol.com> wrote in message
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why don't you go fuck yourself goober,

think you're fooling anybody you sniveling twat?
how about asking the same of those child raping, baby murdering, cocksucking
conservative, hillbilly, republicans goober ?

take your feigned bullshit and shove it up your fat, gutless, yellow cunt,
you dicksucking
little hillbilly bitch


politics is now a blood sport and we're going to make you republicans bleed
before we execute you


Verwoerd

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Aug 26, 2008, 12:24:15 PM8/26/08
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On Aug 26, 12:01 pm, "Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> "Matt" <Hallet...@aol.com> wrote in message

I have just reported you to google and the local authorities. This is
a threat that no one deserves. Debate yes, threaten others, no.
Hopefully the FBI will do something about this.

Verwoerd

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Aug 26, 2008, 12:34:04 PM8/26/08
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On Aug 26, 12:01 pm, "Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> "Matt" <Hallet...@aol.com> wrote in message

Consider yourself reported for threats. I am going to document every
one of your posts until you stop with the threats. I will enjoy doing
this. At least Sid shows respect when he posts even though I don't
always agree with him. You on the other hand are just a malicious and
venal person. I sure hope the FBI takes a look at what you're
posting.

http://www.fbi.gov/contactus.htm

KR

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Aug 26, 2008, 1:42:47 PM8/26/08
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I don't like threats and it's fine to report. Keep in mind how
effective the use of agents provocateur are.
How do you know when you are being punked?

Verwoerd

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Aug 26, 2008, 5:35:36 PM8/26/08
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Because this poster has been doing it for as long as I have been
posting close to a year. And I'll make sure I keep watching his
posts. Even if the case was the opposite and anyone threatened obama
I'd be doing the same. There is no call for this type of behavior and
if you don't understand that shame on you.

Sid9

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Aug 26, 2008, 4:07:46 PM8/26/08
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"Verwoerd" <Verwo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c18e9439-02ac-4696...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com...


> On Aug 26, 12:01 pm, "Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
>> "Matt" <Hallet...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:9316dd40-dd9c-43bf...@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...


I avoid personal attacks where possible.
A civil discourse can be had, even on Usenet.


Al. E. Gator Esq.

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Aug 27, 2008, 1:23:13 AM8/27/08
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"Verwoerd" <Verwo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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stop whining you hopeless, sissy hillbilly,

need a crying towel goober ?

come November, all you losing, failing, gutless, loud mouth,hillbilly
fuckups are going to need one,

the FBI ???

LMAO,

refresh my memory goober, are those the crack addicted,hillbilly geniuses
who let 3 airplanes fly into buildings ?

maybe you should call the secret service gomer, oops , they're too busy
shooting each other at the white house,


damn, who yall got left there that isn't a losing,failing, gutless,
hillbilly fuckup ?

nobody in this retarded, deranged, hillbilly administration,

hey goober, those Google people hate hillbillies


Al. E. Gator Esq.

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Aug 27, 2008, 1:25:03 AM8/27/08
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"Verwoerd" <Verwo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c18e9439-02ac-4696...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

http://www.fbi.gov/contactus.htm

LMAO, there will be some people with white coats and nets at the door
shortly goober,
so put some clothes on and get those pictures of naked little girls off your
computer,

we know you hillbillies like the back of our hands


Al. E. Gator Esq.

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Aug 27, 2008, 1:34:54 AM8/27/08
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"Verwoerd" <Verwo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oh boo hoo hoo, and you think this infantile, retarded, hillbilly bullshit
is going to
work ?

damn, you hillbillies are stupid and ignorant, and you love it don't you boy
?

you wallow in that childish ignorance, it must provide some sense of
security for you gomers

And I'll make sure I keep watching his
posts.

right boy, watch this one

Even if the case was the opposite and anyone threatened obama
>I'd be doing the same.


you haven't done anything you lying cunt, and no you wouldn't, because all
you hillbillies are racists,


There is no call for this type of behavior and
>if you don't understand that shame on you.

why don't you explain that to bush,cheney, rove, mccunt,limbaugh,o'reilly,
hewitt, hannitty,gibson, and the rest of the hillbilly
cocksuckers ?

start by e-mailing the fat buttheaded imbeciles and ask them to look into
mccunt calling his wife a cunt, not very nice even though it's true, now
if he had said she's a rich cunt who can polish a knob better than a Mexican
janitor that might have been acceptable

you're a loud mouth gutless pussy goober, and a deranged imbecile, this
isn't 1964 boy,

you can take all those donut eating, hillbilly cocksuckers and start a
hillbilly circle jerk,


Timothy

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Aug 27, 2008, 2:10:54 AM8/27/08
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> > > So you don't have a problem with your Presidential candidate being
> > > cozy with domestic terrorists/murderers??

How the hell can Ayers be a terrorist? He is NOT an Arab. He is NOT
even Muslim. He does NOT wear flowing robes, and he is NOT swarthy.
And he has never been to Iraq. Hence, he cannot be a terrorist.

Al. E. Gator Esq.

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Aug 27, 2008, 2:26:50 AM8/27/08
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"Timothy" <Timothy....@alumni.usc.edu> wrote in message
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he's also not a jew, a hillbilly or a republican, those are the worst
psychotic, deranged,genocidal, baby murdering
savages on the planet


Verwoerd

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Aug 27, 2008, 10:02:19 AM8/27/08
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On Aug 27, 2:26 am, "Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> "Timothy" <Timothy.Horri...@alumni.usc.edu> wrote in message

As long as you know I did it, that's what counts. So keep up with the
harrassment because I'm making a folder on you. You're a foul mouthed
uneducated half wit. It's one thing to debate but another to use hate
speech. So keep it up.

THIS IS NOT AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE

Thank you for your submission to the FBI Internet Tip Line. Your
information is being evaluated at this time by one of our Agents, and
will be forwarded to the appropriate FBI component.

Verwoerd

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Aug 27, 2008, 10:07:05 AM8/27/08
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On Aug 26, 4:07 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Verwoerd" <Verwoer...@aol.com> wrote in message

>
> news:c18e9439-02ac-4696...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 12:01 pm, "Al. E.  Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> >> "Matt" <Hallet...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:9316dd40-dd9c-43bf...@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

I gladly report anyone using hate speech over and over. I have no
problem with outing anyone using vulgarity. Debate your points
without hate speech. And yes you're not like Gator. We all get
carried away but when you threaten bodily harm well that's when I get
involved. And I see on both sides, not just the left. I draw the
line at physical threats. I can call you names and you can
reciprocate but neither of us would ever threaten each other with
physical violence like Gator did. Read his posts, he gives those like
you on the left side of the spectrum a bad name just like I'm sure
some on the right give us. Again the difference is I don't use
threats that I will do bodily harm and neither have you. If you like
Gator you need your head examined. He's a mean and vicious person who
might not be sane. Thanks Sid.

Al. E. Gator Esq.

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Aug 27, 2008, 10:42:36 AM8/27/08
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"Verwoerd" <Verwo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 2:26 am, "Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> "Timothy" <Timothy.Horri...@alumni.usc.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:b531251c-9dee-4782...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> > > So you don't have a problem with your Presidential candidate being
> >> > > cozy with domestic terrorists/murderers??
>
> > How the hell can Ayers be a terrorist? He is NOT an Arab. He is NOT
> > even Muslim. He does NOT wear flowing robes, and he is NOT swarthy.
> > And he has never been to Iraq. Hence, he cannot be a terrorist.
>
> he's also not a jew, a hillbilly or a republican, those are the worst
> psychotic, deranged,genocidal, baby murdering
> savages on the planet

As long as you know I did it, that's what counts. So keep up with the
harrassment because I'm making a folder on you. You're a foul mouthed
uneducated half wit. It's one thing to debate but another to use hate
>speech. So keep it up.


LMAO, "foul mouthed uneducated half wit", that there gomer is called, like,
hmmmm, stepping on your
miniscule wiener ?

I remember you gomer, you're the cripple who called the trucking company and
tried to get three
hard working American black men fired because they parked in a handicapped
zone to unload a truck full of furniture,
and made you wait for 10 minutes,how dare they not show deference to their
white hillbilly superiors, right you racist
gomer ?

hey goober, hate speech ?, sorry that only applies to you conservatives, you
know the racists, homophobes,chauvinists,
and other assorted Nazis,fascists, and hillbillies, it's OK to discriminate
against 1950's lynching,burning, little girl bombing,
murdering, deranged, psychotic, baby killing hillbillies

hate speech ?,LMAO, turn on the radio gomer, start with Gallagher,Limbaugh,
o'lielly,Gibson,Hewitt, Reagan, ingraham, bohannon,

My Brother works for the FBI, he got your E-Mail and scanned your computer,
guess what he found ?

Google is monitoring your activity and it is being turned over to those
bubbas at homeland security,

you know; Daryl,Daryl,Daryl, Daryl, and Bubba


Sorry , the FBI is too busy bugging the White House and the rest of the
government buidings in DC so they can spy on the Obama administration

give up now goober, all you hillbillies together are no match for me,

never send puppies to do the doggie's job and be careful of those google
folks, they hate republicans, and they have acess
to your whole life history

Verwoerd

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Aug 27, 2008, 5:26:31 PM8/27/08
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On Aug 27, 10:42 am, "Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> "Verwoerd" <Verwoer...@aol.com> wrote in message

If you're so secure thinking I didn't send it why don't you threaten
McCain or Bush on here and show everyone how manly you are. You'll
chicken out because only chickens use fowl language like you. You're
uneducated and a bigot. Now go ahead and make my day with some more
threats......chicken.

Al. E. Gator Esq.

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Aug 27, 2008, 11:15:45 PM8/27/08
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"Verwoerd" <Verwo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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nice try you pathetic cretin, why don't you slink back to your hovel and
indulge in some self pity,

hey goober, did your wife pull a mccunt on you and dump your fat ass when
you ended up
in the wheel chair ?


is that why you're bitter and clinging ?

, Whooaaaaa, the light bulb just came on : hell, of course it is : "show
everyone how manly you are" ?,

you lost your self respect, self esteem, self confidence, and your
manliness,
ended up in a wheelchair, and get no respect, especially from black men who
wouldn't vacate that
parking spot,and you're bitter as hell,

so you go around stalking your betters , sneaking around, spying,
eavesdropping, trying to exact revenge,
looking for a victim like a deranged serial killer,


stay tuned goober, let me find your simple and feeble minded ass some
quotes from the hillbilly Nazi party members of the
confederate fuckup states of America,

why don't you tell us how you got in the wheel chair


Verwoerd

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Aug 27, 2008, 11:28:08 PM8/27/08
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A real disgrace to your race and a chicken. I thought you'd chicken
out. Go back to your filthy uneducated gibberish. I don't feel sorry
for you because you're just plain ignorant and bigoted. A real man
would have threatened me, so I guess you're not a real man.

John

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Aug 27, 2008, 11:35:08 PM8/27/08
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On Aug 25, 7:25 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <mwFsk.16118$IB6.12...@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,

>
>
>
>
>
>  "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > August 25, 2008
>
> > Obama lies to respond to ad tying him to '60s radical

>
> > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> > Filed at 5:03 p.m. ET
>
> > DENVER (AP)-- Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has quietly
> > begun airing a television commercial countering an outside group that is
> > spending $2.8 million in an attempt to highlight his relationship with a
> > former 1960s radical.
>
> > The 30-second TV spot is a response to an ad by the conservative American
> > Issues Project, a nonprofit group that questions Obama's ties to William
> > Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground organization that took credit
> > for a series of bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and
> > U.S. Capitol four decades ago.
>
> > ''With all our problems, why is John McCain talking about the 60s, trying to
> > link Barack Obama to radical Bill Ayers,'' the Obama ad states.
>
> Because it's true.

>
> > ''McCain knows Obama denounced Ayers crimes
>
> Not really.
>
> snicker.

Yo, snickering idiot, how do you know that Mccain does "not really"
know that Obama denounced Ayers crimes? Ya got proof?

Thought not.

Al. E. Gator Esq.

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Aug 28, 2008, 1:41:25 AM8/28/08
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"Verwoerd" <Verwo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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your hillbilly logic there el goober is perverted, just like you are,

so tell us Festus, which losing,failing, hillbilly state is it, that
considers threats a sign of manliness ?

you're really a pathetic old loser and failure aren't you gomer ?

let's see, did your wife dump you for a black man ?, a woman ?,

what is it that makes you so bitter and clinging to that hillbilly hatred ?,

hell, it wasn't me, I'm disgusted by the sight of those 400# hillbilly sows


Harold Burton

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Aug 28, 2008, 3:34:19 PM8/28/08
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In article
<ee807e69-342d-48e7...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
John <dahlgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

As much proof as you have that "McCain knows Obama denounced Ayers (sic)
crimes."


Snicker.

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