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Meldon

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Sep 7, 2009, 3:34:11 PM9/7/09
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The individuals in the following thread-link believe they are
intelligent and their actions are reasonably justified. The evidence
does not support the claim.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_thread/thread/cb5273ff27ff4862/50c52a35d7eb9587#50c52a35d7eb9587


Main Entry: soph·ist
Pronunciation: \ˈsä-fist\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin sophista, from Greek sophistēs, literally, expert,
wise man, from sophizesthai to become wise, deceive, from sophos
clever, wise
Date: 14th century
1 : philosopher
2 capitalized : any of a class of ancient Greek teachers of rhetoric,
philosophy, and the art of successful living prominent about the
middle of the fifth century b.c. for their adroit subtle and allegedly
often specious reasoning
**3 : a captious or fallacious reasoner**
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophist

Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition,
a sophism is a confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving
someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of
philosophy and rhetoric.

The term sophism originated from Greek sophistēs, meaning "wise-ist",
one who "does" wisdom, one who makes a business out of wisdom (sophós
means "wise man").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism

Sir Frederick

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Sep 7, 2009, 4:29:04 PM9/7/09
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT), Meldon <meldo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The individuals in the following thread-link believe they are
>intelligent and their actions are reasonably justified. The evidence
>does not support the claim.
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_thread/thread/cb5273ff27ff4862/50c52a35d7eb9587#50c52a35d7eb9587
>
>
>Main Entry: soph�ist

>Pronunciation: \?s�-fist\
>Function: noun
>Etymology: Latin sophista, from Greek sophist?s, literally, expert,


>wise man, from sophizesthai to become wise, deceive, from sophos
>clever, wise
>Date: 14th century
>1 : philosopher
>2 capitalized : any of a class of ancient Greek teachers of rhetoric,
>philosophy, and the art of successful living prominent about the
>middle of the fifth century b.c. for their adroit subtle and allegedly
>often specious reasoning
>**3 : a captious or fallacious reasoner**
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophist
>
>Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition,
>a sophism is a confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving
>someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of
>philosophy and rhetoric.
>

>The term sophism originated from Greek sophist?s, meaning "wise-ist",
>one who "does" wisdom, one who makes a business out of wisdom (soph�s

Hubris can caste whatever consideration is needed.
Evolution has supplied humans with plenty of hubris.
(see Wiki). It can even caste an ersatz sense of meaning.
Deceit works, even self deceit.

Moderator

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Sep 7, 2009, 4:47:48 PM9/7/09
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Ironic sophist.

John Jones

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Sep 7, 2009, 6:06:02 PM9/7/09
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Sir Frederick

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Sep 7, 2009, 6:50:23 PM9/7/09
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meld...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Sir Frederick wrote:

>> Hubris can caste whatever consideration is needed.
>> Evolution has supplied humans with plenty of hubris.
>> (see Wiki). It can even caste an ersatz sense of meaning.
>> Deceit works, even self deceit.
>
>Ironic sophist.

Better than ironic dullard.

BOfL

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Sep 7, 2009, 10:15:57 PM9/7/09
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On Sep 8, 3:34 am, Meldon <meldon_f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The individuals in the following thread-link believe they are
> intelligent and their actions are reasonably justified. The evidence
> does not support the claim.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_thread/thread/cb5273ff2...

>
> Main Entry: soph·ist
> Pronunciation: \ˈsä-fist\
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Latin sophista, from Greek sophistēs, literally, expert,
> wise man, from sophizesthai to become wise, deceive, from sophos
> clever, wise
> Date: 14th century
> 1 : philosopher
> 2 capitalized : any of a class of ancient Greek teachers of rhetoric,
> philosophy, and the art of successful living prominent about the
> middle of the fifth century b.c. for their adroit subtle and allegedly
> often specious reasoning
> **3 : a captious or fallacious reasoner**http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophist

>
> Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition,
> a sophism is a confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving
> someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of
> philosophy and rhetoric.
>
> The term sophism originated from Greek sophistēs, meaning "wise-ist",
> one who "does" wisdom, one who makes a business out of wisdom (sophós
> means "wise man").http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism

Have you ever met Mr and Mrs Sophist's favorite son Theo ?

BOfL

Sir Frederick

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Sep 8, 2009, 1:07:33 AM9/8/09
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meld...@gmail.com> wrote:

Better : frankness, honesty, honor, openness, trustworthiness, truth, truthfulness, uprightness.
That's me!

Moderator

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Sep 8, 2009, 5:07:31 AM9/8/09
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On Sep 8, 1:07 am, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Sir Frederick wrote:
> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT), Meldon <meldon_f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hubris can caste whatever consideration is needed.
> >> Evolution has supplied humans with plenty of hubris.
> >> (see Wiki). It can even caste an ersatz sense of meaning.
> >> Deceit works, even self deceit.
>
> >Ironic sophist.
>
> Better : frankness, honesty, honor, openness, trustworthiness, truth, truthfulness, uprightness.

True (proved!


> That's me!

False (proved!

Sir Frederick

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Sep 8, 2009, 5:33:35 AM9/8/09
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As it is with all 'humans', including...

Moderator

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Sep 8, 2009, 5:29:23 PM9/8/09
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Also false. (proved)

Sir Frederick

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Sep 8, 2009, 7:06:56 PM9/8/09
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:29:23 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meld...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Sir Frederick wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 02:07:31 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meld...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

>> >On Sep 8, 1:07?am, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Sir Frederick wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT), Meldon <meldon_f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Hubris can caste whatever consideration is needed.
>> >> >> Evolution has supplied humans with plenty of hubris.
>> >> >> (see Wiki). It can even caste an ersatz sense of meaning.
>> >> >> Deceit works, even self deceit.
>> >>
>> >> >Ironic sophist.
>> >>
>> >> Better : frankness, honesty, honor, openness, trustworthiness, truth, truthfulness, uprightness.
>> >
>> >True (proved!
>> >
>> >
>> >> That's me!
>> >
>> >False (proved!
>> As it is with all 'humans', including...
>
>Also false. (proved)

You have your stories.

Moderator

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Sep 10, 2009, 12:41:07 AM9/10/09
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On Sep 8, 7:06 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:29:23 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Sir Frederick wrote:
> >> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 02:07:31 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 8, 1:07?am, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT), Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >Sir Frederick wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT), Meldon <meldon_f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Hubris can caste whatever consideration is needed.
> >> >> >> Evolution has supplied humans with plenty of hubris.
> >> >> >> (see Wiki). It can even caste an ersatz sense of meaning.
> >> >> >> Deceit works, even self deceit.
>
> >> >> >Ironic sophist.
>
> >> >> Better : frankness, honesty, honor, openness, trustworthiness, truth, truthfulness, uprightness.
>
> >> >True (proved!
>
> >> >> That's me!
>
> >> >False (proved!
> >> As it is with all 'humans', including...
>
> >Also false. (proved)
>
> You have your stories.-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvbBNiQ6lFE

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